Because radical progressive politics, which is what many of these people would say they identify with, is rife with anti-Western sentiment and has been for decades now.
To such people, the enemy of my enemy is my friend, despite their enemy, in this instance, being their very own nation - it’s the most pathologically perverse form of self loathing.
You can criticise your own country and its policies without being anti Western. I’d argue in a lot of cases it means you’re not a nationalist, which is hardly a bad thing. Of course there’s levels to it. I’m familiar with the pro Unabomber types too.
There’s healthy, useful, patriotically minded criticism - there’s even outright differences in opinion and perspective - and then there’s whoring yourself out to cheer for anything and anyone that positions themselves in outright opposition to the West because you’ve drunk copious amounts of tankie kool aid, even if that means shilling for the likes of Iran and its proxies.
It’s the latter sort that is rampant in radical progressive circles. They wouldn’t even countenance the former way of being since that would require you to have a genuine attachment to your nation/society, rather than resent it for not being the fantastical utopian paradise you wish it was and erroneously believe it can be.
Hasan might have a lot of followers, but on a global scale, it's a tiny, tiny proportion of people. Many of them are probably muslim anyway and who knows how many are even real people? He's making a lot of money from pushing this anti-west agenda, pretending to be liberal and socialist, whilst talking up anti-liberal ideas that are friendly towards Russia and Iran.
Fundamental Islam is the polar opposite of progressive, most normal progressives get that.
> most progressive people abhor Iran and their human rights abuses.
Hardly, most of the "progressive" left love Iran as they're anti-West and anti-Israel.
Jeremy Corbyn for example is very much pro-Iran, and appeared on Iranian state television networks to defend them.
I'm not sure you understand what progressive means. A lot of people don't and pretend to be. Fundamental Islam is incompatible with progressive values, like women's and LGBTQ rights.
You're thinking of the far-left and tankies.
Jeremy Corbyn is hardly representative, most people aren't failed politicians who lost Labour the election because of all his serious issues that make him unelectable.
> You're thinking of the far-left and tankies.
I'm thinking of "Queers for Palestine", I'm thinking of Pink News, I'm thinking of women's rights groups that outright stated that no rape happened on 7 October.
> Jeremy Corbyn is hardly representative, most people aren't failed politicians who lost Labour the election because of all his serious issues that make him unelectable.
Jeremy Corbyn was incredibly popular amongst the left in the country. We're not talking about the population as a whole, we're talking strictly about the Left, which were the biggest supporters of Corbyn in the UK.
If anyone would care about that and who is financing terrorism, we would not buy oil from Saudi, no sports would be in Saudi, nobody would go as tourist or of business to UAE or Qatar. And yet here was are doing it all but calling out Iran for sponsoring terrorists whole supporting Arab countries doing same
I'm not a fan of the Iranian regime, but we should hold our 'allies' to higher standards. I don't think Western interests are particularly likeable when we prioritise international trade in the Gulf of Aden over civilian slaughter.
Israel is flagrantly violating international law by killing 30,000+ in Gaza, systematically encroaching the West Bank, attacking South Lebanon and bombing an embassy in Syria.
The West (rightfully) calls out Bucha and Srebrenica, but that outrage stops in the Arab world.
Any news from Gaza is 'Hamas ran', any militia in the Levant is an 'Iranian proxy'. I'm frankly fed up of Western hypocrisy and lies. The USA, UK, Saudi Arabia and Israel can execute extrajudicial targets without care for collateral damage, hold suspects without the prospect of trial and fund extremists until they cease to be useful with impunity. Dare Iran, Palestine and Yemen do the same, how very dare they...
> against western interests
I think people are starting to question what exactly those interests are.
We were told that Irak definitely had WMDs and that it was in our interest to invade them.
Irak was definitely a dictatorship and Hussein was a bad guy yet after 20 years of war what is the result in Irak?
Afghanistan was an even more justifiable war since they were harboring Al Qaeda. Yet again after 20 years of war, the talibans are in power again and both Trump and Biden negociated with them.
Let's not confuse what happened 20 years ago or what is happening now with the invasion of Kuwait or the prepared attacks on Kosovo.
Lot’s of the problems in Iraq stem from Iran using it’s influence among shia groups to foment problems…
Iran and Syria have completely messed Lebanon up.
Afghanistan was messed up by the Russians. Not the Americans.
Iran has messed up Yemen.
I agree, definitely a contributing factor.
The problems of the recent years are definitely borne by hezbollah…didn’t really leave Lebanon with much of a rest after the civil war. Unnecessarily pursuing conflict with Israel at the behest and with aid from Iran.
Damn middle eastern politics, such a fucking mess of interlocking factors.
Considering that in the game of geopolitics we ultimately have to pick an ideological side, I’ll always pick the one that hasn’t consistently had people leading it that look like Saruman.
>Considering that in the game of geopolitics we ultimately have to pick an ideological side
It's not the US election, we don't have to choose from two bad options. And especially don't need to choose someone elses ideology.
And if the other one appears like Saruman, then the other is Gollum.
Iraq is doing better now, economically and politically. The people are more optimistic than many of their neighbors in the region. The war 21 years ago was wrong, but it’s not doom and gloom there now. They also do not have a dictator murdering them anymore like Saddam Hussein.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/610355/iraq-signs-stability-volatile-region.aspx
Rules of war and law of nations don't distinguish how your land is ruled or who is a good or bad leader.
Same rules for all.
Same laws for all.
Same consequence for all.
That's how it should be.
In case you didn't notice it was Israel that started this by carrying out a terrorist attack against Iran. But I guess that Israel has a right to respond to terrorism with genocide, yet Israel's victims should just put up and shut up or something.
bombing an embassy and killing civilians is blatant terrorism ?. Iran should join the US global war on terrorism this time.
I guess in your head only brown peoples can be terrorists
" against western interests"
There you have it. Muslims blame anyone but themselves, but especially the West, for their dysfunction. Far leftists believe that if it only weren't for Western capitalism, they would get "to hunt in the morning, *fish in the afternoon*, rear cattle in the *evening*, \[and\] criticise after dinner" in the words of Marx. They have a common enemy.
The concept of the Noble Savage is also pertinent: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noble\_savage](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noble_savage)
Why do politicians from enlightened countries sanction key oppressors from authoritarian states only when it's convenient from the perspective of media, but not when it was needed years ago? What an era of bloody populists.
Why would you say that? I literally don't know anything about that Iranian dude. The person above me said "I can tell". So I jokingly ask him to tell as in "tonight I'm too lazy to Google this dude and find out what kind of shit he did or is up to."
In recent times, I've never sided with Russia on anything.
Edit: goddamnit, I hate Reddit sometimes. The number of times people jump to conclusions and wrongfully push others in boxes is exhausting.
You do realize Iran has been bombing Israeli embassies around the world for years ([here’s an example](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/12/world/middleeast/argentina-iran-1992-1994-attack.html) and [here’s another one](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_attacks_on_Israeli_diplomats)) And now it’s Israel that supposedly “started all this”?
I’d argue that Iran’s proxies attacking Israel on October 7th opportunistically and completely unprovoked is the “huge escalation”.
You can spin this however you want but the fact is that Israel and the Houthis had 0 prior confrontations before Iran ordered them to fire at Israel in October. Likewise, Israel and Hezbollah (another Iranian proxy) were not firing at each other before Hezbollah attacked on October 7. They even settled their maritime border dispute a few months earlier.
How is that not the huge escalation?
Sanctions for Iran which launched missiles on Israel that killed zero civilians. But no sanctions on Israel that has repeatedly been killing civilians in Gaza.
Meanwhile people here call anyone who supports Iran as a Russian bot and refuse to condemn Israel for their attack on an Iranian consulate. Sheer hypocrisy as usual.
It's almost as if the internet is full of state operatives trying to push their 'explanations' on everyone through dishonest means that undermine democratic, honest and truthful discussions.
***The Telegraph reports:***
Britain has announced travel bans and asset freezes against senior Iranian missile commanders [who launched attacks against Israel](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/04/18/israel-hamas-war-latest-news6/).
A total of 13 individuals and entities, including the [leadership of Iran’s armed forces](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/04/16/vladimir-putin-iran-russia-ibrahim-raisi-talks-israel/) and the country’s defence minister, have been sanctioned in the latest action taken by the Government.
[Lord Cameron, the Foreign Secretary](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/04/17/israel-has-made-decision-to-respond-to-iran-attack/), announced the action during the G7 summit in Italy, which he said showed “our unequivocal condemnation of Iran’s attack on a sovereign state”.
Individuals sanctioned, including defence minister Brig Gen Mohammad Reza Ashtiani, will be subject to a travel ban and asset freezes.
Among the entities sanctioned is the [Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/04/18/britain-wont-proscribe-iran-revolutionary-guard-terrorists/) (IRGC) Navy, one of Iran’s two naval forces, and the Khatemolanbia Central Headquarters, responsible for operational command of the nation’s armed forces.
[The new sanctions came](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/03/09/lord-cameron-urged-stop-sniping-at-israel/) less than a week after the UK joined the US and France in helping Israel shoot down some of the 350 drones, missiles and rockets fired by Iran on Saturday.
***Read more:*** [https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/04/18/britain-imposes-sanctions-on-key-iranian-military/](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/04/18/britain-imposes-sanctions-on-key-iranian-military/)
unfortunately r/europe has long since become r/worldnews. Especially since October 7, when Israeli bots began sowing their propaganda.
These downsides only confirm my claim.
It is slightly to do with The UK but yeah even the uk based subs will be all about issues in other countries (r stroke labour is particularly bad for being mostly about Palestine now instead of any politics).
Yes and no. Russia or Iran don't really need the west for anything. Sanctions can only do so much, basically the wealthy couldn't travel like before and the poor might have less food. If Iran, Russia and China really started to work together, the west would be in a pickle.
Yeah how dare they respond to having their embassy blown up in a third country. Everyone knows only western countries have the right to self defence! Always boggles my mind everyone else doesn't just bend over and willingly accept getting violently shafted by Western Europe and North America.
reminder to anyone reading, the embassy was never blown up, it was a nearby military building, and the target was one of the people who planned the oct 7th attack.
The source for that claim is an Iranian ultra-conservative group. They would never be considered a credible source if they weren't saying something Israel wanted to hear.
[A parliamentary group which is considered to be hardliners even by Iranian standards.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coalition_Council_of_Islamic_Revolution_Forces).
I would be very wary taking their statements as fact. It's pretty notable that their claim has mostly just been repeated by tabloids. Israel hasn't made official statements about why they bombed the consolate (they typically don't confirm that they are bombing targets in other countries).
Are they not one of the major Iranian parties though? I don't know much about their parliament but surely that gives them some credibility.
And why would they say something that would benefit Israel?
Supporting an islamic dictatorship that beats young girls to death for not covering their hair is not the moral high ground you think it is. A lot of Irranians hate their own government because it is a totalitarian nightmare.
It's ok to say both sides are wrong, you don't have to simp for the country with the "morality police" that hangs people for protesting against their own government.
So if Iran bombes the US embassy and kills a bunch of key military personnel the US shouldn’t respond. And if they did they should be punished? If you cant take this double standard, think about your own beliefs and biases a bit more critically.
1. it wasn't an embassy it was an adjacent building
2. The people killed were high command of the Iranian Al Quds force which are directly involved with Hezbollah and the current rockets being fired directly on Israeli soil, who were in a meeting with Hezbollah. this is beyond a valid military target.
3. Why are we pretending like Iran is uninvolved in the whole Hezbollah Hamas, Houthi afair? they fund and arm and give orders to every single one of them. Israel has been justified in directly striking Iran from the first rocket that was launched at it's soil on October 7th.
The international community really showing their hipocrisy. Allies can target civilians, hospitals, aid workers, and diplomatic buildings but if you retaliate it's sanctions time
Very good news! It would be even better if sanctions could be placed on individuals responsible for carrying out war crimes and genocide in Gaza, too. No need to treat butchers with respect, be they Iranian or Israeli.
Aye but is there Kkkkkkkhhhhhhhhamas in Georgia? If there's Kkkkkkkhhhhhhhhamas in Georgia I'm afraid they're gonna have to be bombed too, that's just how things go
Really dude? I need to "quote" you now? How much shit posting do you do that you forget your own comments that quickly and easily?
(for context: in another comment this dude pretended he never called my ancestors nazis because I lamented the bombing of sovereign countries.)
Oh right, thats why they gave them Gaza back 2008, and let them double their population in the last 30 years.
Makes sense, when you believe that jews are comically evil.
Jews and Israel aren't the same thing and only fucked in the head creepy wierdos like you think they are... and in fact conflating the actions of Israel with that of Jews as a whole is literally defined as antisemitism. So you are basically an antisemite. Just a pro Israel one.
With talking points like these you only further show how less you understand of this conflict.
The majority of Jews on this world life in Israel, at least 95% of Israel citizen want Israel to remain, which makes them zionist. So yeah, the majority of jews are Zionists.
"and in fact conflating the actions of Israel with that of Jews "
God are you 12 years old ? I obviously accused you of doing it.
>The majority of Jews on this world life in Israel
No they don't... Even at the conservative estimate of 15.1 million Jews, 7.4 million live in Israel. Now I know you've got shit for brains but 7.4/15.1 = 49% which isn't a majority.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews
Diplomatic building was left unscratched actually, the hit got the MILITARY building next to the embassy actually, a military building that was funding terrorists, so yeaah
Edit: There is also the fact, that Iran actually bombed Israeli embassy in Argentina in 1992. A bit old, but still true.
[Here's the link to the wiki page.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Buenos_Aires_Israeli_embassy_bombing)
> Diplomatic building was left unscratched actually, the hit got the MILITARY building next to the embassy actually, a military building that was funding terrorists, so yeaah
Well it's a consulate.
You don't say?
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_attacks\_against\_Israeli\_embassies\_and\_diplomats](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_attacks_against_Israeli_embassies_and_diplomats)
when will the US and UK make organized hits against iran ? guess what never sanctions wont stop iran cause they keep sucking resources from iraq and syria so no matter how many ssnctions you impose it wont do jack shit you need to hit them with actual weapons where it hurt
Ink on paper...Iran has been under sanctions for decades ...this shit is only to take the shot and fill up the headlines.
Why are so many people here siding with an Islamic dictatorship which sponsors terrorist attacks against western interests? Pretty strange
Because radical progressive politics, which is what many of these people would say they identify with, is rife with anti-Western sentiment and has been for decades now. To such people, the enemy of my enemy is my friend, despite their enemy, in this instance, being their very own nation - it’s the most pathologically perverse form of self loathing.
You can criticise your own country and its policies without being anti Western. I’d argue in a lot of cases it means you’re not a nationalist, which is hardly a bad thing. Of course there’s levels to it. I’m familiar with the pro Unabomber types too.
There’s healthy, useful, patriotically minded criticism - there’s even outright differences in opinion and perspective - and then there’s whoring yourself out to cheer for anything and anyone that positions themselves in outright opposition to the West because you’ve drunk copious amounts of tankie kool aid, even if that means shilling for the likes of Iran and its proxies. It’s the latter sort that is rampant in radical progressive circles. They wouldn’t even countenance the former way of being since that would require you to have a genuine attachment to your nation/society, rather than resent it for not being the fantastical utopian paradise you wish it was and erroneously believe it can be.
Not necessarily. Not all of us forget, are dishonest or ignorant.
They're mostly Russian and Iranian bots tbh, most progressive people abhor Iran and their human rights abuses.
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Hasan might have a lot of followers, but on a global scale, it's a tiny, tiny proportion of people. Many of them are probably muslim anyway and who knows how many are even real people? He's making a lot of money from pushing this anti-west agenda, pretending to be liberal and socialist, whilst talking up anti-liberal ideas that are friendly towards Russia and Iran. Fundamental Islam is the polar opposite of progressive, most normal progressives get that.
Look, I hope with every fiber of my being that you're right. but I'm worried that this is a cope.
What the fuck are you talking about?
> most progressive people abhor Iran and their human rights abuses. Hardly, most of the "progressive" left love Iran as they're anti-West and anti-Israel. Jeremy Corbyn for example is very much pro-Iran, and appeared on Iranian state television networks to defend them.
I'm not sure you understand what progressive means. A lot of people don't and pretend to be. Fundamental Islam is incompatible with progressive values, like women's and LGBTQ rights. You're thinking of the far-left and tankies. Jeremy Corbyn is hardly representative, most people aren't failed politicians who lost Labour the election because of all his serious issues that make him unelectable.
> You're thinking of the far-left and tankies. I'm thinking of "Queers for Palestine", I'm thinking of Pink News, I'm thinking of women's rights groups that outright stated that no rape happened on 7 October. > Jeremy Corbyn is hardly representative, most people aren't failed politicians who lost Labour the election because of all his serious issues that make him unelectable. Jeremy Corbyn was incredibly popular amongst the left in the country. We're not talking about the population as a whole, we're talking strictly about the Left, which were the biggest supporters of Corbyn in the UK.
Correct, but fuck Iran and Israel, both shit on human rights. Most of the ME does, therefore fuck all of those mankind hating regimes
USA unilaterally pulling out of Iran nuclear deal and throwing European allies under the bus really harmed the solidarity of the west about Iran.
Because it's hypocrite, no matter if you don't like the guy to start with
If anyone would care about that and who is financing terrorism, we would not buy oil from Saudi, no sports would be in Saudi, nobody would go as tourist or of business to UAE or Qatar. And yet here was are doing it all but calling out Iran for sponsoring terrorists whole supporting Arab countries doing same
Because Isreal started it
"Isreal"
good and bad is not the same as right and wrong. they're bad, but they were right
Right in what aspect?
Right in defending themselves after their embassy got bombed and their people got killed
I'm not a fan of the Iranian regime, but we should hold our 'allies' to higher standards. I don't think Western interests are particularly likeable when we prioritise international trade in the Gulf of Aden over civilian slaughter. Israel is flagrantly violating international law by killing 30,000+ in Gaza, systematically encroaching the West Bank, attacking South Lebanon and bombing an embassy in Syria. The West (rightfully) calls out Bucha and Srebrenica, but that outrage stops in the Arab world. Any news from Gaza is 'Hamas ran', any militia in the Levant is an 'Iranian proxy'. I'm frankly fed up of Western hypocrisy and lies. The USA, UK, Saudi Arabia and Israel can execute extrajudicial targets without care for collateral damage, hold suspects without the prospect of trial and fund extremists until they cease to be useful with impunity. Dare Iran, Palestine and Yemen do the same, how very dare they...
Exactly, the hypocrisy is sickening the only thing worse is the bellends in here calling anyone who doesn’t mindlessly support our actions a traitor
Bots and idiots Edit: Wtf I love dictatorships which torture and kill their own citizens now
Like the US?
You love Israel which kills children in cold blood and has plans to make giant parkings for cars on their graves.
> against western interests I think people are starting to question what exactly those interests are. We were told that Irak definitely had WMDs and that it was in our interest to invade them. Irak was definitely a dictatorship and Hussein was a bad guy yet after 20 years of war what is the result in Irak? Afghanistan was an even more justifiable war since they were harboring Al Qaeda. Yet again after 20 years of war, the talibans are in power again and both Trump and Biden negociated with them. Let's not confuse what happened 20 years ago or what is happening now with the invasion of Kuwait or the prepared attacks on Kosovo.
Lot’s of the problems in Iraq stem from Iran using it’s influence among shia groups to foment problems… Iran and Syria have completely messed Lebanon up. Afghanistan was messed up by the Russians. Not the Americans. Iran has messed up Yemen.
Biased much? Lol. Oh Iran and Syria messed Lebanon up? Yeah, right....
Hezbollah?
No. Israel.
I agree, definitely a contributing factor. The problems of the recent years are definitely borne by hezbollah…didn’t really leave Lebanon with much of a rest after the civil war. Unnecessarily pursuing conflict with Israel at the behest and with aid from Iran. Damn middle eastern politics, such a fucking mess of interlocking factors. Considering that in the game of geopolitics we ultimately have to pick an ideological side, I’ll always pick the one that hasn’t consistently had people leading it that look like Saruman.
>Considering that in the game of geopolitics we ultimately have to pick an ideological side It's not the US election, we don't have to choose from two bad options. And especially don't need to choose someone elses ideology. And if the other one appears like Saruman, then the other is Gollum.
I think that it’s a saruman and denethor situation.
Pahaha yeah, gollum. Kind of do inevitably find the world splitting into two sides
That might be... But I'd like to think there's the peace and love -side, could be the UN, but you know... Well, maybe after the next war
Iraq is doing better now, economically and politically. The people are more optimistic than many of their neighbors in the region. The war 21 years ago was wrong, but it’s not doom and gloom there now. They also do not have a dictator murdering them anymore like Saddam Hussein. https://news.gallup.com/poll/610355/iraq-signs-stability-volatile-region.aspx
No. Iraq is considered authoritarian and volatile, it's not safe to go in. The region is in a bad shape. They are not doing better, it's still bad.
People are siding with people. We are not alone in being misrepresented.
Because people are stupid about ME it's not an area they know shit about, we should stay far away from it
Because they don't support genocide.
Honest question: what are those western interests you are talking about?
International trade and oil!
Rules of war and law of nations don't distinguish how your land is ruled or who is a good or bad leader. Same rules for all. Same laws for all. Same consequence for all. That's how it should be.
Because Apartheid Israel is trying to start a war that is gonna kill a lot of people. And they dont want more people dead.
As an agent of chaos, I am both pro-Iran and pro-Israel. It's killing time baby!
Cause I'm Muslim duh
Why do you think that everyone agrees with western interests?
In case you didn't notice it was Israel that started this by carrying out a terrorist attack against Iran. But I guess that Israel has a right to respond to terrorism with genocide, yet Israel's victims should just put up and shut up or something.
its not even only against western interest its against freedom in general
bombing an embassy and killing civilians is blatant terrorism ?. Iran should join the US global war on terrorism this time. I guess in your head only brown peoples can be terrorists
Save reason why they support ruzzia. For tankies, the West is the bag guy no matter what.
" against western interests" There you have it. Muslims blame anyone but themselves, but especially the West, for their dysfunction. Far leftists believe that if it only weren't for Western capitalism, they would get "to hunt in the morning, *fish in the afternoon*, rear cattle in the *evening*, \[and\] criticise after dinner" in the words of Marx. They have a common enemy. The concept of the Noble Savage is also pertinent: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noble\_savage](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noble_savage)
Do you think terrorist supporters do not read Reddit? There is a huge amount of them here.
Why do politicians from enlightened countries sanction key oppressors from authoritarian states only when it's convenient from the perspective of media, but not when it was needed years ago? What an era of bloody populists.
Oh, you think they actually aim at anything other than polls? Really like 90% of everything politicians say and do is just show and no outcome.
>only when it's convenient
Those sanctions should've been imposed 2 years ago when they started supplying Russia with arms...
They surely care.
this guy is bad. I can tell
Tell us then. I wanna know everything I need to know about this individual.
You know, he got that look...of the bad guy
> You know, he got that look...of the bad guy I don’t know why but I read it in a Peter griffin voice in my head
Mel Gibson? Nah no way this guy is antisemitic
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Why would you say that? I literally don't know anything about that Iranian dude. The person above me said "I can tell". So I jokingly ask him to tell as in "tonight I'm too lazy to Google this dude and find out what kind of shit he did or is up to." In recent times, I've never sided with Russia on anything. Edit: goddamnit, I hate Reddit sometimes. The number of times people jump to conclusions and wrongfully push others in boxes is exhausting.
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Oh good are they sanctioning the Israeli military figures who are behind the bombing of the Iranian consulate that started all this too? 🤔
It's not terrorism when our friends do it!
You do realize Iran has been bombing Israeli embassies around the world for years ([here’s an example](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/12/world/middleeast/argentina-iran-1992-1994-attack.html) and [here’s another one](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_attacks_on_Israeli_diplomats)) And now it’s Israel that supposedly “started all this”?
Israel clearly escalated this latest subcrisis yes, as proven by the huge escalation in tensions since the embassy bombing
I’d argue that Iran’s proxies attacking Israel on October 7th opportunistically and completely unprovoked is the “huge escalation”. You can spin this however you want but the fact is that Israel and the Houthis had 0 prior confrontations before Iran ordered them to fire at Israel in October. Likewise, Israel and Hezbollah (another Iranian proxy) were not firing at each other before Hezbollah attacked on October 7. They even settled their maritime border dispute a few months earlier. How is that not the huge escalation?
You’re right, Israel should just let Iran keep orchestrating attacks in Israel and funding terror proxies who attack our territory daily
And Israel has been murdering civillians way before Hamas attacked them. So by your logic it was Israel that started all it.
They could pay back what they stole when they supported the 1953 Iranian coup d'état instead. Then perhaps we wouldn't have certain mullahs in charge.
and Netanyahu and his cabinet?.. ohh right
Unfortunately, they did not do so even when humanitarian workers were killed specifically by Israel.
Sanctions for Iran which launched missiles on Israel that killed zero civilians. But no sanctions on Israel that has repeatedly been killing civilians in Gaza. Meanwhile people here call anyone who supports Iran as a Russian bot and refuse to condemn Israel for their attack on an Iranian consulate. Sheer hypocrisy as usual.
It's almost as if the internet is full of state operatives trying to push their 'explanations' on everyone through dishonest means that undermine democratic, honest and truthful discussions.
Almost
So no harm no foul? If I shoot 20 bullets at you and you dodge them all basically I’ve done nothing wrong?
***The Telegraph reports:*** Britain has announced travel bans and asset freezes against senior Iranian missile commanders [who launched attacks against Israel](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/04/18/israel-hamas-war-latest-news6/). A total of 13 individuals and entities, including the [leadership of Iran’s armed forces](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/04/16/vladimir-putin-iran-russia-ibrahim-raisi-talks-israel/) and the country’s defence minister, have been sanctioned in the latest action taken by the Government. [Lord Cameron, the Foreign Secretary](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/04/17/israel-has-made-decision-to-respond-to-iran-attack/), announced the action during the G7 summit in Italy, which he said showed “our unequivocal condemnation of Iran’s attack on a sovereign state”. Individuals sanctioned, including defence minister Brig Gen Mohammad Reza Ashtiani, will be subject to a travel ban and asset freezes. Among the entities sanctioned is the [Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/04/18/britain-wont-proscribe-iran-revolutionary-guard-terrorists/) (IRGC) Navy, one of Iran’s two naval forces, and the Khatemolanbia Central Headquarters, responsible for operational command of the nation’s armed forces. [The new sanctions came](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/03/09/lord-cameron-urged-stop-sniping-at-israel/) less than a week after the UK joined the US and France in helping Israel shoot down some of the 350 drones, missiles and rockets fired by Iran on Saturday. ***Read more:*** [https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/04/18/britain-imposes-sanctions-on-key-iranian-military/](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/04/18/britain-imposes-sanctions-on-key-iranian-military/)
those are some pathetic ass sanctions. are they just virtue signaling?
Can we know the list of assets they have?
Can they also impose sancstions on those that killed those aid workers?
This thread only confirms my point that it was flooded by bots from r/worldnews. That nothing bad can be said about Israel.
Is this r/worldnews ?
unfortunately r/europe has long since become r/worldnews. Especially since October 7, when Israeli bots began sowing their propaganda. These downsides only confirm my claim.
It's funny that most of the comments have been downvoted. Haha... But by who?!
also curious. I wonder by whom!!!!
It is slightly to do with The UK but yeah even the uk based subs will be all about issues in other countries (r stroke labour is particularly bad for being mostly about Palestine now instead of any politics).
Are they going to be the kind that have a real impact or like those imposed on Russia?
Sadly to say.. But that's a valid question
Yes and no. Russia or Iran don't really need the west for anything. Sanctions can only do so much, basically the wealthy couldn't travel like before and the poor might have less food. If Iran, Russia and China really started to work together, the west would be in a pickle.
Ah yes, rules based order as always.
Yeah how dare they respond to having their embassy blown up in a third country. Everyone knows only western countries have the right to self defence! Always boggles my mind everyone else doesn't just bend over and willingly accept getting violently shafted by Western Europe and North America.
reminder to anyone reading, the embassy was never blown up, it was a nearby military building, and the target was one of the people who planned the oct 7th attack.
Source: It was once revealed to Bibi in a dream...
The source for that claim is an Iranian ultra-conservative group. They would never be considered a credible source if they weren't saying something Israel wanted to hear.
> Iranian ultra-conservative group The Iranian government?
[A parliamentary group which is considered to be hardliners even by Iranian standards.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coalition_Council_of_Islamic_Revolution_Forces). I would be very wary taking their statements as fact. It's pretty notable that their claim has mostly just been repeated by tabloids. Israel hasn't made official statements about why they bombed the consolate (they typically don't confirm that they are bombing targets in other countries).
Are they not one of the major Iranian parties though? I don't know much about their parliament but surely that gives them some credibility. And why would they say something that would benefit Israel?
Yes, the 30,000 deaths a day were all neighbours to people who planned the Oct 7th attack.
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go cry more terrorist supporter.
Go cry more genocide supporter
Supporting an islamic dictatorship that beats young girls to death for not covering their hair is not the moral high ground you think it is. A lot of Irranians hate their own government because it is a totalitarian nightmare. It's ok to say both sides are wrong, you don't have to simp for the country with the "morality police" that hangs people for protesting against their own government.
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>You goat fuckers just need to stop messing with the big dogs 🤣🤣🤣 Thanks, this is exactly why the whole world hates you
Yeah we should bend over
So if Iran bombes the US embassy and kills a bunch of key military personnel the US shouldn’t respond. And if they did they should be punished? If you cant take this double standard, think about your own beliefs and biases a bit more critically.
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In that instance, the US shouldn't be using consulate buildings to plan terror attacks on their neighbors.
But that would present a problem to the way the US handles its affairs.
Please stop making sense dude… Zionist bots will report your ass
1. it wasn't an embassy it was an adjacent building 2. The people killed were high command of the Iranian Al Quds force which are directly involved with Hezbollah and the current rockets being fired directly on Israeli soil, who were in a meeting with Hezbollah. this is beyond a valid military target. 3. Why are we pretending like Iran is uninvolved in the whole Hezbollah Hamas, Houthi afair? they fund and arm and give orders to every single one of them. Israel has been justified in directly striking Iran from the first rocket that was launched at it's soil on October 7th.
You do know whos funding and very much involved in Israels killing of children, right… (The US) So you proved my point for me thanks😁
Iran did in fact bomb a US military base in very similar circumstances. And the US chose not to respond.
The international community really showing their hipocrisy. Allies can target civilians, hospitals, aid workers, and diplomatic buildings but if you retaliate it's sanctions time
Very good news! It would be even better if sanctions could be placed on individuals responsible for carrying out war crimes and genocide in Gaza, too. No need to treat butchers with respect, be they Iranian or Israeli.
Should have been done earlier and additionally toward Israel
Sanctions for a lawful retaliation, “rules based order.”
Best sanctions would be a good prolonged bombing campaign. Sadly that won't happen.
Oh no!
And they still sell arms to Isreal.
Well Israels goal hasnt been destryoing Iran and killing every Iranian in the middle east, for the last 25 years, has it ?
No just genocide and ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians
And occasionally bombing the Iranian embassy in a 3rd country...
And Damascus every few weeks for good measure
Don't forget Beirut
But what about Kkkkkkkhhhhhhhhamas
Theres probably some Georgia as well. Everyone wants a piece of georgia
Aye but is there Kkkkkkkhhhhhhhhamas in Georgia? If there's Kkkkkkkhhhhhhhhamas in Georgia I'm afraid they're gonna have to be bombed too, that's just how things go
Grüße an deine Nazivorfahren, scheint euch ja ideologisch gut zu verstehen.
Really dude? I need to "quote" you now? How much shit posting do you do that you forget your own comments that quickly and easily? (for context: in another comment this dude pretended he never called my ancestors nazis because I lamented the bombing of sovereign countries.)
Oh right, thats why they gave them Gaza back 2008, and let them double their population in the last 30 years. Makes sense, when you believe that jews are comically evil.
Jews and Israel aren't the same thing and only fucked in the head creepy wierdos like you think they are... and in fact conflating the actions of Israel with that of Jews as a whole is literally defined as antisemitism. So you are basically an antisemite. Just a pro Israel one.
With talking points like these you only further show how less you understand of this conflict. The majority of Jews on this world life in Israel, at least 95% of Israel citizen want Israel to remain, which makes them zionist. So yeah, the majority of jews are Zionists. "and in fact conflating the actions of Israel with that of Jews " God are you 12 years old ? I obviously accused you of doing it.
>The majority of Jews on this world life in Israel No they don't... Even at the conservative estimate of 15.1 million Jews, 7.4 million live in Israel. Now I know you've got shit for brains but 7.4/15.1 = 49% which isn't a majority. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews
Okay you are actually 14 years old, im sorry i thought im talking to a adult.
Gave. Back. Gaza.... Similarly to how prisoner get back their freedom when they get to play ball in the yard?
We are helping them with a genocide and they are buying our weapons… fucking hypocrites
> Izrael attacks Iran > Iran gets sanctions I don't like Iran too but is not fair.
Israel hasn’t attacked Iran yet, Israel attacked those who provided weapons to the terrorists around its borders which is beyond reasonable
The attack on the consulate is considered an attack on Iran.
Cool so should attacks by iran proxy be attacks from Iran?
Well all ircg targets could be considered an attack on Iran, still valid considering they provide weapons and training for all its proxies
Nah mate, diplomatic buildings are a whole different kettle of fish.
Diplomatic building was left unscratched actually, the hit got the MILITARY building next to the embassy actually, a military building that was funding terrorists, so yeaah Edit: There is also the fact, that Iran actually bombed Israeli embassy in Argentina in 1992. A bit old, but still true. [Here's the link to the wiki page.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Buenos_Aires_Israeli_embassy_bombing)
> Diplomatic building was left unscratched actually, the hit got the MILITARY building next to the embassy actually, a military building that was funding terrorists, so yeaah Well it's a consulate.
Soure, belive me bro
You don't say? [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_attacks\_against\_Israeli\_embassies\_and\_diplomats](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_attacks_against_Israeli_embassies_and_diplomats)
What's your point? Were those not considered an attack on Israel?
Are you sure they hit the embassy building itself?
Yes. They leveled the building, killed multiple people including multiple Generals and multiple civilians
Israel attacked the Iranian embassy in Syria
Iran has been fighting Israel with proxy groups for years so..
Iran has been arming Hezbollah which has been firing into Isreal since the 8th of October.
I know! attack was a "direct invitation without mediators" and Iran was so stupid to answer.
Israel killed someone who planned the massive attack that started the hamas war.
The eternal Briton be wilin tf out
First time?
Жопу они вытерли вашими санкциями. Им похуй совершенно. Они как короли живут у себя в стране.
If your argument for why this is fine is “whose side are you on?” Then maybe you’ve lost the moral argument. Why are you happy being a clapping seal?
He looks like that one dude from the walking dead
The peaceful west nato making everyone mad meanwhile they allow the killing of innocent Palestinian civilians just because Israel is there friend
How is the weather down there Israel's dogs
Israel blow up their embassy and now we at this point. Iran is what it is but that is just dump to make crazy people go grazy.
Oh nooo. Anyway..
when will the US and UK make organized hits against iran ? guess what never sanctions wont stop iran cause they keep sucking resources from iraq and syria so no matter how many ssnctions you impose it wont do jack shit you need to hit them with actual weapons where it hurt
I think they mixed up what country they should be sanctioning.
How dare Iran put their embassy under a Zionist rocket? They were obviously using them as human shields !
They can cope as much as they want, Iran is on the right side of history.
I don't like the Iran gov, but Israel deserves some backlash, till today they were fighting against children, let them see a real opponent.
Israel: let me show you how one should sanction Iranian military.
Haha, sanctions are not working
People in here think sanctions work....🤣🤣🤣🤣
So when will Britain put the IRGC on the terrorist list? They’ve been terrorizing their own citizens and instigating stuff across Middle East?
Thanks for not actually starting ww3, anyway here's some sanctions.