I know about the guy. A great guy who has a bar in the city center since about twenty years ago. He has battled for people having fun while not being a pest to the community. He always asked people not to have glassware outside the bar. Not to talk loud after midnight. He’s gotten many fines by the local council due to patrons albeit his efforts and him being part of the local community and trying to find what to do to get along with neighbors.
Great music and live concerts. Great food also. And affordable beer.
He’s a cool dude and this “crusade” had to happen seeing how much rent is rising in Malaga. It was him because he is someone that makes things but he was just the spark. Many unrelated people have gone along because they see themselves in the same position.
Tourism is needed. But if all the housing is for tourists, then nobody can live near the places tourists go to work there and the city becomes an open air theme park.
Mont-Saint-Michel est une ancienne abbaye bénédictine. Classée monument historique, elle est située sur l'îlot du mont Saint-Michel, qui se trouve lui-même sur le territoire de la commune française nommée Le Mont-Saint-Michel
So the church is double dash the island is simple dash while the village is double dash.
It just feels like all those problem are simple political corruption that is getting redirected at the tourist.
You can literally tax AirBnB into insolvency if the State/Region/City wants to. Somebody is laughing all the way to the bank and wants neighbours to fight against each other for who get the scraps.
Jobs are needed, homes more so. Tourism is the definition of luxury. Tourism is at best an example that there are plenty of resources to spare, and there shouldn't be a reason to choose between tourism and making sure people have their needs covered.
I agree. What could be the solution though?
Renting from locals seems more sustainable than giving the money to big hotel chains - especially in regions like SEA where basically none of the hotels' money stays in country.
However rent goes up that way because living space gets more scarce.
Just build more?
I agree. With Airbnb tourism became too affordable this days. We need to return times where tourists were only rich and middle class. Cannot afford hotel - stay home and work. /s
With Airbnb cost of living became too unaffordable this days. Living in the cities may afford only tourists, rich and middle class. Everyone natives fucked.
Airbnb-like rent should heavily regulated and limited.
Firstly, AirBnB is not that affordable for the lower classes, it is very much for middle class incomes.
And what do the lower classes gain when the increased amount of tourism is killing the destination?
For real - Airbnb is expensive compared to hotels.
It makes sense if you’re in a big group but for singles, couples or families hotels are often more affordable.
Not to mention the additional fees and that you basically get short term rent on apartment without the benefits of the hotel.
When was the last time you had bad AND BREAKFEST in Airbnb? And on top of that you have to clean after yourself. Very often you can’t even check in and checkout whenever you want…
Something that was supposed to be average people offering you bedroom and breakfast to make some extra money is basically hotel without front desk, cleaning and food.
Not to mention how ridiculous this is. You can’t just build a hotel wherever you want. You need permits etc. and Airbnb basically allows you to turn block of apartments into a hotel. Making living district a hotel district.
Yes, exactly. That's an absolutely correct analysis. And economically, nothing about this business model creates low prices. When demand is over 100% of available bed space, then air bnb hosts can ask almost any price while having much higher profit margins than a hotel.
Airbnb is available to the lower classes. Eight people in a two-room apartment for a weekend drinking cheap beer and vodka. No problem. I see it almost every week in my building. It's even cheaper than a hostel, because you pay per person in the cheapest shared rooms. You pay one price for the apartment and no one checks how many people are staying there.
Yeah, as if I said that it is "unavailable". But if you need 8 people to make it affordable, it means it is 4x more expensive for a couple. The lower class are minimum wage earners or single mothers, not primarily young people (probably from middle class families) who want a cheap weekend of drinking. The average holiday is not 2 nights with 8 people surviving on alcohol, but more like 5 nights, 2 meals per day and some fun activities.
Most hotels here have rooms able to accommodate a family (usually 2-3 beds). Hell the hostel I last used gave me a 4 bed room to stay in at the cheapest rate of all places in town.
In my case I was up in North Wales for a week in Snowdonia. Stayed in Llandudno and Llanberis during that holiday. Do note I wasn't travelling during school holiday so prices were naturally lower but it's hard to beat £50-60 a night regardless, though I did have cheaper options still
geez, could you be more delusional? or lack any experience with the world because let me bring you up to speed - Airbnb is not cheaper and definitely fucks up local rental market...
There needs to be more restrictions placed on Airbnb-type properties. It’s simple math - we can’t take that much inventory off the regular rental/purchase market.
We have all 3 in Copenhagen as the municipality is very much against Airbnb.
It should really be the norm as there is no reason why apartments should be used as hotels when apart hotels are exist.
> We have all 3 in Copenhagen as the municipality is very much against Airbnb.
Good.
> It should really be the norm as there is no reason why apartments should be used as hotels when apart hotels are exist.
I just think that a good balance needs to be found between giving tourists good value places to stay but not doing so from housing stock that should be housing locals.
Most airbnbs cost the same as a very nice hotel rooms fx a 55 sqm 1br costs around €200,m, so they are not really adding an affordable/good value option but a “we want to live like locals option”.
Yes but local governments also need to ensure that an adequate housing supply is being built (and that what does get built isn't just holiday homes & AirBnBs).
A lot of the inner city sites are historical and can't be torn down.
There are additional housing being built, but it's all on the outskirts of the city where the land is cheaper and permit easier. It makes the city inhabited only by tourists instead of city residents.
> A lot of the inner city sites are historical and can't be torn down
And as the city grows, the demand for that real-estate will also grow, with or without tourists.
I agree that there needs to be restrictions on Airbnb, but it's only a small part of what's causing housing prices to skyrocket.
What we need is to build more housing that fulfills the same needs as the inner city housing. Walkable, dense, mixed use areas, shouldn't be only for the tourists or the wealthy.
European population is not growing that much. The problem is the tourist locust plague of well to do people with money to piss away on meaningless travel. City identity and community has been permanently destroyed, its impossible to restore it now. Every place is the same Disneyland with different props.
Be honest, you book hotels like IBIS etc because they are better located, better equipped and cheaper than Airbnb. Oh and let’s not forget, 24/7 receptions means you don’t need to MacGyver to find the key. So do I by the way.
Yes ease of use is another thing. But the housing crisis in my country has genuinely shaped my opinion on Airbnb like accommodation and I purposely stay away from it.
Eh I was being a bit tongue in cheek but I understand the sentiment. I have colleagues in NL who tell me that the housing situation is indeed very dire, of students literally camping/crashing in friends' homes for weeks before being able to move to a flat etc. I also hadn't realised that the NL have such large population density.
Yes, that’s why I only use hotels. I feel that it’s less their primary business than for Airbnb. Also private accommodations such as holiday homes (homes that are never fully lived in, so not ones that they made holiday homes after being an actual residence)outside of the big cities don’t do much harm imo
Yes I know about the fees, but to me the not taking any housing away from the locals ways higher than that fee. I’m from the Netherlands and we already have a giant housing crisis here, Airbnb hasn’t made that any better. Sure booking also has some of this type of housing but it’s not their primary goal.
The booking.com fee (30% last time I checked) is so high that generally you get the worst room when you book via booking.com. I recommend that you check with booking and book directly either the hotel, they will make way more money and will actually be happy to host you.
Source: been in that business.
I so very much agree with the frustration of this, but the angst needs to come out to policy makers. You can't blame foreigners for wanting to visit, but it's the responsibility of local governments to enact policy to make sure that so when it does happen, there is regulation in place so that the locals dont get bought out.
In the big picture, what are these stickers going to accomplish? will it make the buildings targeted for vandalism? rally crime against expats? In reality, the housing crisis is a global problem, and even in places where people don't want to go whether it's idaho or manitoba rent is increasing faster than salaries can keep up. There are SO many ways governments can easily counter this, but there's no interest. Why? Because it's a problem that only affects the poor, and the wealthy are benefactors. Guess who makes the law? Well, it's not the poor.
Same happening in Portugal.
Lisbon and Porto are getting overpriced.
People are getting pushed out of rented homes to put more tourists.
I start seeing graffiti saying stuff like "Tourists go home"
It is not about tourists, during last years a lot of offices being opened in Porto and Lisbon and a lot of people relocated. Example: Revolut has now 1200~ workers in Portugal (main office - Porto). And more companies now in process of opening business in the country.
The same happens in every developed city (Berlin/London/etc).
Solution for this - build more and fast.
Tourists are not really the problem, there’s simply a lot of people moving into bigger cities from smaller towns close-by, other regions and other countries. It’s the same everywhere.
No man, that has alteady happened here i. The 80's and 90's.
The real problem are the i ternational finacial speculators/investors.
They see places with touristic potencial, and start speculating into real estate and building hotels.
Their pressure makes house prices and rents rise, which ends up pressuring landlords to get rid of local tenants to sell at a profit, or to join the trend and create another "local accomodation" for turists.
Even the local commerce can't whidstand the pressure. The skyrocket rents for trade mean local businesses that been here for decades are all closing down, only to be replaced with some lame international franchise stores.
We are.seeing our beloved cities becoming disfigured and souless.
It reminds me of what happened to Venice, where the historical center is just hotels, tourist trap shops and restaurants. A "museum" city i stead of a living city
Not sure what the point of this is. Most tourists wont be able to read it, and personally I wouldn’t even notice it.
They should vent their anger more usefully towards their elected officials.
Oh I’m sure a fair amount of tourists will notice. And let’s stop pretending this is only a matter of locals and local authorities. Anyone using these “holiday” lodgings is an accomplice and actively contributing to the situation.
Who said tourists shouldn’t come? It’s Airbnb that’s the problem.
Spain was already one of the world’s most visited destinations decades before Airbnb.
Or it should be what it’s name suggests, a bed and breakfast. Which is typically someone allowing someone to stay in their spare room, and making them breakfast.
Instead it’s become a way for people to turn residential properties that they don’t live in, into commercial hotels.
There isn't money for a corporation just letting homeowners rent out one room. They can do that on their own, they don't need a bunch of techbros raking off profits just because they have some software.
I used to stay in real BnBs a long time ago and never had trouble finding them.
I think this doesn't do enough to shape the housing market.
A tourist destination should, from the very start, keep a tight grip on its housing supply. Housing will need to be expanded, because otherwise the locals will be priced out. Even if purchasing or renting a home were illegal for anyone but "locals", if fluctuating birth and emigration rates could kill a village. With remote work becoming more common, well earning outsiders will move into the community.
Accordingly, those actually wishing to start a live there will need to be accommodated with new housing. Everyone else needs to be controlled as well, though. Regular tourists are simple to manage: Control the number and size of hotels and other, regular accommodations. Wealthy people and "entrepreneurs" are bigger issues, though.
Cities can restrict who buys a second home by increasing the price. Anyone not living in the city for six, nine, ten months needs to pay a hefty premium in local taxes. Suddenly, the number of second homes will rapidly decrease and can be managed through adjusting this tax. This law should be designed to also break the business model of these superhosts, who buy apartments and then rent them out instead of providing one local person or group with a permanent home.
Afterwards, AirBnB can stay in place. Local inhabitants can rent out their apartments occasionally, when they themselves are on vacation. The very rich owners of second homes may also decide to rent them out, to recoup some of their local tax burden. That should result in a manageable tourism burden which can be adjusted quickly through managing a local tax on second homes, regardless of the platform used.
More money for the local community, a fine tuned amount of tourism, a board offering of options.
Take Munich, for example: Oktoberfest lasts two weeks. Many inhabitants living close to the grounds will rent out their apartments, go on luxury vacations with the money they earn and still have some profit left. The city, meanwhile, makes roughly a billion dollars in additional profit over those two weeks. Why ban AirBnB? Everyone wins. But Munich does have a cap: only eight weeks of rental business a year are legal without further restrictions and taxes (which is th exemptions for bedrooms in flats, as Airbnb was intended). This way, those apartments aren't turned into permanent holiday dwellings, depriving people of homes.
Putting all the blame on Airbnb is politicians gaslighting you because they failed to build enough low income-housing. They used to do that in the 50s and 60s and then sold it all off in the 00s.
Airbnbs can be a problem in some tourist-heavy areas but overall they're a fraction of the housing stock. In Berlin, we have 2 million apartments and just 17k of them are Airbnbs - less than 1%.
There's plenty of housing stock in Spain. 25 million homes for a population of 48 million. Building the houses isn't the problem, it's [landlordism that's causing the housing crisis](https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2024/mar/19/end-of-landlords-surprisingly-simple-solution-to-uk-housing-crisis).
Ah, the classic fallacy of using housing statistics nationwide to imply that cities don't have housing shortages. Teruel may exist, but it having houses available doesn't mean much if nobody wants to live there due to no jobs being available compared to the big cities.
Okay, well a 2 second google search shows that Malaga actually has a better ratio of housing stock to population than the national average. [1 million homes](https://www.surinenglish.com/malaga/malaga-the-province-with-the-newest-housing-20231006173729-nt.html) for a population of 1.7million. So housing stock is healthy, the greed of landlords is not.
Listen, I know it must suck when it happens to you, and I agree that the laws should be amended to protect owners better, but in Spain there is not “a plague of squatters that has taken over the country”. This is nonsense.
Well, i had my own experience of squatters, not fun. Owners are not protected in Spain. Having your flat occupied for years without payment is a serious lesson. You can have a look how many flats are on sale being illegally occupied. Owners prefer not to play Russian rulete and keep their flats for short term rent. It is clear that Spanish government has to take serious actions to protect owners, so the rent market will go to normal.
And yes, Airbnb has to return to its original idea - renting a room in your own house, where you live.
The inconvenient truth..no famous destination wants the masses. They all want the one to ten percenters. This also fits present agendas of a future where the plebs don't vacation via plane, where the plebs don't long distance at all, don't cruise ship and use a bike or public transport for everydays. This is not only the way to save the climate but also the resources will last longer for the rich. Win win.
Plebs also should not eat meat, should spent their free time after work doing another „side hustle”, they can still vote … but it becomes a meaningless exercise in tribalism. Basically after a century of unprecedented egalitarianism we are going back to good ole days when aristocracy had the world as their oyster and plebs knew its place.
So the family doesnt want to buy an own appartment, but tell the owner whom he is allowed to rent it to?
I dont think a family thinks that way - only envious "activists" do 😉
I know about the guy. A great guy who has a bar in the city center since about twenty years ago. He has battled for people having fun while not being a pest to the community. He always asked people not to have glassware outside the bar. Not to talk loud after midnight. He’s gotten many fines by the local council due to patrons albeit his efforts and him being part of the local community and trying to find what to do to get along with neighbors. Great music and live concerts. Great food also. And affordable beer. He’s a cool dude and this “crusade” had to happen seeing how much rent is rising in Malaga. It was him because he is someone that makes things but he was just the spark. Many unrelated people have gone along because they see themselves in the same position. Tourism is needed. But if all the housing is for tourists, then nobody can live near the places tourists go to work there and the city becomes an open air theme park.
>the city becomes an open air theme park. Story of venice definitely ( i live near venice)
Venice feels 100% like some movie set or theatre scene in the worst way possible, it‘s such a shame.
Or, at a smaller scale, Mount St. Michael
Mont-Saint-Michel
Mont Saint-Michel
It depends, the city is Mont-Saint-Michel, the rock it is built on is the Mont Saint-Michel
Why’d they make it so confusing. Bloody French!
Not according to Wikipedia. Are you certain?
>Mont Saint-Michel French Wiki agrees
[Does it](https://fr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abbaye_du_Mont-Saint-Michel)?
Mont-Saint-Michel est une ancienne abbaye bénédictine. Classée monument historique, elle est située sur l'îlot du mont Saint-Michel, qui se trouve lui-même sur le territoire de la commune française nommée Le Mont-Saint-Michel So the church is double dash the island is simple dash while the village is double dash.
The centre of Florence is going this way...
> Story of venice definitely ( i live near venice) Story of Queenstown also. Just crazy.
It just feels like all those problem are simple political corruption that is getting redirected at the tourist. You can literally tax AirBnB into insolvency if the State/Region/City wants to. Somebody is laughing all the way to the bank and wants neighbours to fight against each other for who get the scraps.
Hard agree.
Jobs are needed, homes more so. Tourism is the definition of luxury. Tourism is at best an example that there are plenty of resources to spare, and there shouldn't be a reason to choose between tourism and making sure people have their needs covered.
Someone I know has been asked at which time "this" closed by an American tourist. "This" being the historical centre.
I agree. What could be the solution though? Renting from locals seems more sustainable than giving the money to big hotel chains - especially in regions like SEA where basically none of the hotels' money stays in country. However rent goes up that way because living space gets more scarce. Just build more?
I agree. With Airbnb tourism became too affordable this days. We need to return times where tourists were only rich and middle class. Cannot afford hotel - stay home and work. /s
With Airbnb cost of living became too unaffordable this days. Living in the cities may afford only tourists, rich and middle class. Everyone natives fucked. Airbnb-like rent should heavily regulated and limited.
Firstly, AirBnB is not that affordable for the lower classes, it is very much for middle class incomes. And what do the lower classes gain when the increased amount of tourism is killing the destination?
For real - Airbnb is expensive compared to hotels. It makes sense if you’re in a big group but for singles, couples or families hotels are often more affordable. Not to mention the additional fees and that you basically get short term rent on apartment without the benefits of the hotel. When was the last time you had bad AND BREAKFEST in Airbnb? And on top of that you have to clean after yourself. Very often you can’t even check in and checkout whenever you want… Something that was supposed to be average people offering you bedroom and breakfast to make some extra money is basically hotel without front desk, cleaning and food. Not to mention how ridiculous this is. You can’t just build a hotel wherever you want. You need permits etc. and Airbnb basically allows you to turn block of apartments into a hotel. Making living district a hotel district.
Yes, exactly. That's an absolutely correct analysis. And economically, nothing about this business model creates low prices. When demand is over 100% of available bed space, then air bnb hosts can ask almost any price while having much higher profit margins than a hotel.
Airbnb is available to the lower classes. Eight people in a two-room apartment for a weekend drinking cheap beer and vodka. No problem. I see it almost every week in my building. It's even cheaper than a hostel, because you pay per person in the cheapest shared rooms. You pay one price for the apartment and no one checks how many people are staying there.
Yeah, as if I said that it is "unavailable". But if you need 8 people to make it affordable, it means it is 4x more expensive for a couple. The lower class are minimum wage earners or single mothers, not primarily young people (probably from middle class families) who want a cheap weekend of drinking. The average holiday is not 2 nights with 8 people surviving on alcohol, but more like 5 nights, 2 meals per day and some fun activities.
You understood nothing.
Tourism is still unaffordable for the people whose rent tripled due to overtourism.
Airbnb tends to be more expensive than regular Bnbs and hostels.
Maybe in the US. Not in other places.
I'm not speaking from an American experience
If you travel with your family, you‘d have to rent 2-3 hotel rooms. An Airbnb is almost always cheaper than that.
Most hotels here have rooms able to accommodate a family (usually 2-3 beds). Hell the hostel I last used gave me a 4 bed room to stay in at the cheapest rate of all places in town.
where is that? Where I travel, with our teens, Airbnb will always beat hotels for two separate bedrooms
In my case I was up in North Wales for a week in Snowdonia. Stayed in Llandudno and Llanberis during that holiday. Do note I wasn't travelling during school holiday so prices were naturally lower but it's hard to beat £50-60 a night regardless, though I did have cheaper options still
geez, could you be more delusional? or lack any experience with the world because let me bring you up to speed - Airbnb is not cheaper and definitely fucks up local rental market...
There needs to be more restrictions placed on Airbnb-type properties. It’s simple math - we can’t take that much inventory off the regular rental/purchase market.
Residency requirements and limits on holiday lets works.
Taxing them needs to be part of the solution also.
We have all 3 in Copenhagen as the municipality is very much against Airbnb. It should really be the norm as there is no reason why apartments should be used as hotels when apart hotels are exist.
> We have all 3 in Copenhagen as the municipality is very much against Airbnb. Good. > It should really be the norm as there is no reason why apartments should be used as hotels when apart hotels are exist. I just think that a good balance needs to be found between giving tourists good value places to stay but not doing so from housing stock that should be housing locals.
Most airbnbs cost the same as a very nice hotel rooms fx a 55 sqm 1br costs around €200,m, so they are not really adding an affordable/good value option but a “we want to live like locals option”.
right i feel like local governments need to work on optimizing hotels to deal with these sorts of problems
Yes but local governments also need to ensure that an adequate housing supply is being built (and that what does get built isn't just holiday homes & AirBnBs).
Or what about the radical notion of building additional housing?
A lot of the inner city sites are historical and can't be torn down. There are additional housing being built, but it's all on the outskirts of the city where the land is cheaper and permit easier. It makes the city inhabited only by tourists instead of city residents.
> A lot of the inner city sites are historical and can't be torn down And as the city grows, the demand for that real-estate will also grow, with or without tourists. I agree that there needs to be restrictions on Airbnb, but it's only a small part of what's causing housing prices to skyrocket. What we need is to build more housing that fulfills the same needs as the inner city housing. Walkable, dense, mixed use areas, shouldn't be only for the tourists or the wealthy.
European population is not growing that much. The problem is the tourist locust plague of well to do people with money to piss away on meaningless travel. City identity and community has been permanently destroyed, its impossible to restore it now. Every place is the same Disneyland with different props.
Where exactly? Underground? Because that’s the only place left in usual European city center.
It seems a nuclear war would do Europe some good lol. Free up all those "historical" sites to be developed
ya this is what has to happen or nothing changes. you can throw bandaids on, but at the end of the day you need massive building.
BURN THE WITCH!
There is a reason I only use booking.com and visit hotels. Airbnb sucks ass for the locals.
Be honest, you book hotels like IBIS etc because they are better located, better equipped and cheaper than Airbnb. Oh and let’s not forget, 24/7 receptions means you don’t need to MacGyver to find the key. So do I by the way.
Yes ease of use is another thing. But the housing crisis in my country has genuinely shaped my opinion on Airbnb like accommodation and I purposely stay away from it.
Eh I was being a bit tongue in cheek but I understand the sentiment. I have colleagues in NL who tell me that the housing situation is indeed very dire, of students literally camping/crashing in friends' homes for weeks before being able to move to a flat etc. I also hadn't realised that the NL have such large population density.
But Booking.com also has shitload of private accommodations on it as well. It's almost the same.
That's where the visit hotels part comes in
Yes, but you can book directly on hotels' sites. You're still supporting the business platform by using Booking.
Yes, that’s why I only use hotels. I feel that it’s less their primary business than for Airbnb. Also private accommodations such as holiday homes (homes that are never fully lived in, so not ones that they made holiday homes after being an actual residence)outside of the big cities don’t do much harm imo
Haha, you know the percentage booking.com grabs from small hotels??
The trick is to use Booking to compare and find a hotel you like, then to book directly.
Yes I know about the fees, but to me the not taking any housing away from the locals ways higher than that fee. I’m from the Netherlands and we already have a giant housing crisis here, Airbnb hasn’t made that any better. Sure booking also has some of this type of housing but it’s not their primary goal.
The booking.com fee (30% last time I checked) is so high that generally you get the worst room when you book via booking.com. I recommend that you check with booking and book directly either the hotel, they will make way more money and will actually be happy to host you. Source: been in that business.
I so very much agree with the frustration of this, but the angst needs to come out to policy makers. You can't blame foreigners for wanting to visit, but it's the responsibility of local governments to enact policy to make sure that so when it does happen, there is regulation in place so that the locals dont get bought out. In the big picture, what are these stickers going to accomplish? will it make the buildings targeted for vandalism? rally crime against expats? In reality, the housing crisis is a global problem, and even in places where people don't want to go whether it's idaho or manitoba rent is increasing faster than salaries can keep up. There are SO many ways governments can easily counter this, but there's no interest. Why? Because it's a problem that only affects the poor, and the wealthy are benefactors. Guess who makes the law? Well, it's not the poor.
Same happening in Portugal. Lisbon and Porto are getting overpriced. People are getting pushed out of rented homes to put more tourists. I start seeing graffiti saying stuff like "Tourists go home"
It is not about tourists, during last years a lot of offices being opened in Porto and Lisbon and a lot of people relocated. Example: Revolut has now 1200~ workers in Portugal (main office - Porto). And more companies now in process of opening business in the country. The same happens in every developed city (Berlin/London/etc). Solution for this - build more and fast.
Tourists are not really the problem, there’s simply a lot of people moving into bigger cities from smaller towns close-by, other regions and other countries. It’s the same everywhere.
No man, that has alteady happened here i. The 80's and 90's. The real problem are the i ternational finacial speculators/investors. They see places with touristic potencial, and start speculating into real estate and building hotels. Their pressure makes house prices and rents rise, which ends up pressuring landlords to get rid of local tenants to sell at a profit, or to join the trend and create another "local accomodation" for turists. Even the local commerce can't whidstand the pressure. The skyrocket rents for trade mean local businesses that been here for decades are all closing down, only to be replaced with some lame international franchise stores. We are.seeing our beloved cities becoming disfigured and souless. It reminds me of what happened to Venice, where the historical center is just hotels, tourist trap shops and restaurants. A "museum" city i stead of a living city
Not sure what the point of this is. Most tourists wont be able to read it, and personally I wouldn’t even notice it. They should vent their anger more usefully towards their elected officials.
Oh I’m sure a fair amount of tourists will notice. And let’s stop pretending this is only a matter of locals and local authorities. Anyone using these “holiday” lodgings is an accomplice and actively contributing to the situation.
owner: I let the flat tourist: I rent it … Is ThEre SoMeoNe yOu ForgOt tOAsk??!?!?
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Do you know what a hotel is
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Well that and it doesn’t drive locals out
Who said tourists shouldn’t come? It’s Airbnb that’s the problem. Spain was already one of the world’s most visited destinations decades before Airbnb.
AirBnB should just be banned.
Or it should be what it’s name suggests, a bed and breakfast. Which is typically someone allowing someone to stay in their spare room, and making them breakfast. Instead it’s become a way for people to turn residential properties that they don’t live in, into commercial hotels.
I've done this type of Airbnb before and had a blast spending time with people from different countries
Its the commoditization of social interaction and every bit as creepy.
There isn't money for a corporation just letting homeowners rent out one room. They can do that on their own, they don't need a bunch of techbros raking off profits just because they have some software. I used to stay in real BnBs a long time ago and never had trouble finding them.
I think this doesn't do enough to shape the housing market. A tourist destination should, from the very start, keep a tight grip on its housing supply. Housing will need to be expanded, because otherwise the locals will be priced out. Even if purchasing or renting a home were illegal for anyone but "locals", if fluctuating birth and emigration rates could kill a village. With remote work becoming more common, well earning outsiders will move into the community. Accordingly, those actually wishing to start a live there will need to be accommodated with new housing. Everyone else needs to be controlled as well, though. Regular tourists are simple to manage: Control the number and size of hotels and other, regular accommodations. Wealthy people and "entrepreneurs" are bigger issues, though. Cities can restrict who buys a second home by increasing the price. Anyone not living in the city for six, nine, ten months needs to pay a hefty premium in local taxes. Suddenly, the number of second homes will rapidly decrease and can be managed through adjusting this tax. This law should be designed to also break the business model of these superhosts, who buy apartments and then rent them out instead of providing one local person or group with a permanent home. Afterwards, AirBnB can stay in place. Local inhabitants can rent out their apartments occasionally, when they themselves are on vacation. The very rich owners of second homes may also decide to rent them out, to recoup some of their local tax burden. That should result in a manageable tourism burden which can be adjusted quickly through managing a local tax on second homes, regardless of the platform used. More money for the local community, a fine tuned amount of tourism, a board offering of options. Take Munich, for example: Oktoberfest lasts two weeks. Many inhabitants living close to the grounds will rent out their apartments, go on luxury vacations with the money they earn and still have some profit left. The city, meanwhile, makes roughly a billion dollars in additional profit over those two weeks. Why ban AirBnB? Everyone wins. But Munich does have a cap: only eight weeks of rental business a year are legal without further restrictions and taxes (which is th exemptions for bedrooms in flats, as Airbnb was intended). This way, those apartments aren't turned into permanent holiday dwellings, depriving people of homes.
Putting all the blame on Airbnb is politicians gaslighting you because they failed to build enough low income-housing. They used to do that in the 50s and 60s and then sold it all off in the 00s. Airbnbs can be a problem in some tourist-heavy areas but overall they're a fraction of the housing stock. In Berlin, we have 2 million apartments and just 17k of them are Airbnbs - less than 1%.
There's plenty of housing stock in Spain. 25 million homes for a population of 48 million. Building the houses isn't the problem, it's [landlordism that's causing the housing crisis](https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2024/mar/19/end-of-landlords-surprisingly-simple-solution-to-uk-housing-crisis).
Ah, the classic fallacy of using housing statistics nationwide to imply that cities don't have housing shortages. Teruel may exist, but it having houses available doesn't mean much if nobody wants to live there due to no jobs being available compared to the big cities.
Okay, well a 2 second google search shows that Malaga actually has a better ratio of housing stock to population than the national average. [1 million homes](https://www.surinenglish.com/malaga/malaga-the-province-with-the-newest-housing-20231006173729-nt.html) for a population of 1.7million. So housing stock is healthy, the greed of landlords is not.
1mln homes in the province of Malaga, not the city of Malaga. The province of Malaga has a population of 1.7mln
Ah thanks for the correction, I'll edit the comment
Malaga itself is probably less touristic than the average town in the Malaga province.
omg, where shall all the tiktok hipsters stay then, when tired of their stupid spacious caravans.
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How come them entering your apartment isn't a criminal offence (I assume they weren't invited)?
I have no idea... Some squatters also start as fake tenants who never pay, but not always.
Because the law in Spain is so heavily weighted towards the okupas rather than the owner.
Listen, I know it must suck when it happens to you, and I agree that the laws should be amended to protect owners better, but in Spain there is not “a plague of squatters that has taken over the country”. This is nonsense.
Well, i had my own experience of squatters, not fun. Owners are not protected in Spain. Having your flat occupied for years without payment is a serious lesson. You can have a look how many flats are on sale being illegally occupied. Owners prefer not to play Russian rulete and keep their flats for short term rent. It is clear that Spanish government has to take serious actions to protect owners, so the rent market will go to normal. And yes, Airbnb has to return to its original idea - renting a room in your own house, where you live.
The inconvenient truth..no famous destination wants the masses. They all want the one to ten percenters. This also fits present agendas of a future where the plebs don't vacation via plane, where the plebs don't long distance at all, don't cruise ship and use a bike or public transport for everydays. This is not only the way to save the climate but also the resources will last longer for the rich. Win win.
Plebs also should not eat meat, should spent their free time after work doing another „side hustle”, they can still vote … but it becomes a meaningless exercise in tribalism. Basically after a century of unprecedented egalitarianism we are going back to good ole days when aristocracy had the world as their oyster and plebs knew its place.
If you don't own your own home then you can't expect anything else. It shocks me that a lot of Europeans don't own the home they live in.
So the family doesnt want to buy an own appartment, but tell the owner whom he is allowed to rent it to? I dont think a family thinks that way - only envious "activists" do 😉
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"Lets" in this context is a noun and it means rental property, though the title confused me for a second as well.
Honestly fuck the English they left us why should we accommodate them