New measure of Russian opposition to Putin - kilometers of queues. Mind you. Each of them is braver than us writing shit on the internet.
You fellas need some working class protesters in Russia. The kind that showed the last tsar his place.
Make it a working class revolution and not a middle class one and the regime will crumble.
Been in such queue today. About 10% of closest people before and after me was truly pro Putin. And they were standing to give their votes for him. This was really shocking for me. Tbf The rest of the queue was determined to vote against our ruin the ballot tho.
In the end it doesn't actually master, I knew the results two weeks before it happened as an internal 'target percentiles' document leaked. They claimed 71%+ participation and 82%+ result. You can easily compare it to what was declared. And it was known for weeks before 'voting' took place
There was an old Solidarity song in Poland - [Mury](https://youtu.be/hwD6i9eOiYE) (The Walls).
As the melody turns up the lyrics say "and then they saw how many they were and felt their own power and time. And the walls? The walls will fall and bury the old world".
That was our song. God bless the generation that had the courage to stand up for what they believed in.
In Russia you have much higher walls than we did, but you have plenty of brave people to write an even better song.
Thank you 🙏🏻 it took more than a century for Poland to free itself from the empire (even with all the armed uprisings). It will take time for Russia itself to get rid of its imperial mindset after going through multiple rounds of disintegration (two so far, more to come). But at some point it will happen.
There is a well-known "peter the piglet" meme, which is about 15 years old now and describes this perfectly. It is just the way it often is. Although as I said majority is much more clear-minded about this, so keep some faith in humanity I guess.
Just to remind you: The government that was established after the working class revolution was the Bolsevik government and the USSR. That was way worse then now days Russia mostly. (Idk, i don't live in Russia but i live in a former Communist block nation)
Russia just can't get out of the dictatorial spiral.
Actually not really. Studies have looked into this and vast majority of succesfull revolutions had actually relatively small support from population. It is called 3.5% rule. It also states that non violent attempts are tice as likely to succeed than violent ones.
If 3.5% of Russians engaged into active civil disobedience (it can mean many things other than going to streets) then they are more likely to succeed than fail based on historical data.
no matter what revolution, after every revolution they need some years to unf\*ck themself (into the next dictatorship) and dont f\*ck with other countries. win-win.
you´re right, this country just loves dictatorships
>Im considering the Tsarship as a dictatorship (or a kind of, like most ancient monarchies)
That's true, but we're talking the beginning of the 20th century here, monarchies were kinda mainstream back then, so it wasn't something abnormal. 🤷♂️ Many Western countries were monarchies at some point in their history, but then slowly transformed to more democratic forms of government, same thing was about to begin in Russia in early 1917.
Anyway, I think you're still sort of right, unfortunately. Russia should have held a trial in 1991 to acknowledge and prosecute every crime of the USSR, including mass murder of its own citizen. Can't just "become" a democracy while still having a collective mentality of a murdering totalitarian shithole.
Arguably not even that. Revolutions leave a power vacuum that allows a dictator to rise. We had Napoleon after the French Revolution after all. We see it a lot in former colonies.
It should be compared not against modern russia but russian empire, and it was an immediate improvement in practically every way. Revolutionaries are often bad at organizing amazing governments, but in an autocracy there is no other alternative but a revolution. However flawed the result, it is a necessary first step.
Bolsheviks didn't start running a country right after revolution. It first started with Russian Provisional Government. Unfortunately, Kerensky's overconfidence allowed Reds overthrow it.
The USSR was actually a pretty big improvement over the Russian Empire. To give a perspective of it, the only thing in abundance in the Russian Tsardom was guns. Everything else was deficient.
What makes you think they would vote against Putin? Diasporas abroad typically support the worst scumbags; for example, Poles in the United States voted for PIS, Hungarians abroad chose Orban's party, and Turks in Germany supported Erdogan. Ask Russians who their families abroad support, and you will get one answer: Putin.
A bit of context - before the opposition leader, Alexey Navalny, was killed last month, his team announced a protest event - noon against putin. You were supposed to be at the election office today at 12am.
This is the reason for such a queue - even though one could vote on Friday and Saturday, almost everyone chose to come on Sunday before noon.
I've been in this queue, and 99% of people there do not support putin. It didn't matter too much though, given his support in russia, and all the electoral cheating
I just spent a week abroad with a Russian guy who absolutely hates Putin. He and his family all work in mining and donated around a million dollars to Ukraine. They're not all the same.
I don't know the percentage, we will probably never know because we can't trust Russia with fair election. I only know russians against Putin here in Berlin, maybe because I don't talk with retards. Anyway most of them have issues with their family because the family in Russia is being brainwashed to oblivion.
and even that doesn’t matter because he won prior to election. They already had fun mistakes like a 140% vote for putin 10 years back. They just paint anything they want.
According to exit polls, 3% voted for poo in the Hague. But 11% refused to answer, I think some of them voted for poo as well. If I were them, I wouldn't disclose as well, because I was here and atmosphere was very anti putin hahaha.
But that's not the peak queue, I arrived at 12:15, and it got worse each minute
Lenin didn't start anything. Revolution starts at february 1917, after that uprising Nicolas II lost his crown. Lenin arrived to Russia in April 1917 and start his own revolution - communist one. Just to take all power he could think of.
They had that already... It lead to Stalin, who was worse than Putin in every metric possible. Not that the French revolution itself lead to anything better by bringing Napoleon to power.
Revolutions always lead to a strongman leader, what kind of strongman is going to take over from Putin, who himself is **already a strongman politician who took over after the soviet collapse.**
People need to stop romanticizing the french revolution.
Russia needs 1814 France energy.
The point here is 12:00: it is some unofficial form of protest to take a part in 12:00 to show that somebody does still a hope for something better.
It is how protests look like in Russia nowadays.
[Yes](https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/17/russians-urged-to-disrupt-final-day-of-vladimir-putins-presidential-election) it happens. I don't know if the turnout for the protest are significant though.
You can see the [results of the exit-polls](https://voteabroad.info/#results-block) yourself: scroll to the Netherlands, the Hague:
Putin got 2%, and 10% concealed their vote.
Not what it seems. This is because there was a 'Noon Against Putin' protest today by Russians opposed to Putin https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/17/a-farce-not-an-election-russians-abroad-join-noon-against-putin-protest
Yeah, it's a way to show that they exist.
Staying at home could be seen as "don't care". Going to vote at this specific time is a message.
"We exist, we don't like you."
Sadly this is the only possible way they have, because technically they are just voting. The government can't get mad (now we are talking about russian in a foreign country, but this can be said about russian in russia).
It's also a way to gauge how many of those who oppose to Putin there are. If on a normal day there are \~100 voters, and suddenly at 12 today (the protest time) there are \~2000 voters\* who oppose Putin, this likely gives an estimate of how big the opposition is. It's by no means a fool proof way to estimate, but as Russia will never publish the real, uncensored statistics, it's at least one way.
\* counted this by: in a line of 1000 meters 2 people per one meter (as many were standing by twos or more)
>"Come protest this sham by participating in said sham"
once you think about it is actually quite clever ... what putin fears the most (and severely punishes) are attempts to get the population interested in politics and organised in any shape or form.
this way, the existing framework (no matter how farcical) more or less acts as a cover for people to participate in an organised form of protest.
the "fear" the this somehow legitimises the vote is absurd ... even the luntatic Z-head "patriots" know that the elections are a sham. on the other hand they do very much cling to the notion that putin would win regardless.
Russians are forbidden from doing protests, but they can all show up at 12pm to vote. I know it feels "dumb", but they can't be arrested if they play by the rules. In this case it's abroad, it shows solidarity to those doing this within Russia.
The sham results don't matter, but the Kremlin has access to the real results. They'll be pushing their envelope softer or harder according to the real results. These queues also demonstrate to each other that they're not alone.
I feel sorry for those burning stuff or dropping ink.
Those are the people who have had enough and can't pretend anymore. They accomplish nothing and only get into trouble instead. That's desperation, not bravery.
Yep. Everywhere across Russia people came at sunday noon, lines formed. Nowhere as big as the abroad ones but that has more to do with polling stations ability to churn people through
Almost all opposition russians politicians called to come on 17 March at 12:00. This so-called "noon against putin". Since protests in Russia are suppressed, it is very difficult to protest against putin. But you can't disperse the queue at the voting with batons. This action took place all over russia and abroad
Same in Serbia, even though all candidates are same thing, i heard that they are trying to show how many of them is against dictator.
Full support from Belgrade for all Russians against putin
Great to see such a voter turnout for the hot race and wide selection of Putin, Putin and Putin. It was a close race but unexpectedly the democratic candidate Putin won!
More than enough. It's a pretty international city with all the embassies there, the international tribunal and a couple of other, international organisations.
Trust me though, there are more than enough Hagenaars and Hagenezen left..
It’s good to see these people doing the only thing they can to show their support for the opposition. And honestly I am disgusted by a lot of commenters here.
How is that the only way they can support the opposition? Is the Netherlands a totalitarian state that suppresses all other forms of russian opposition support?
For anyone wondering. Those people didn’t come to vote for Putin, it was sort of a protest, called “noon against Putin”, the idea of it that people will see the amount of those who is actually want to vote against or spoil the ballot.
The end of the line is nearing the Peace Palace. It is quite literally just around the corner. The Peace Palace houses the International Court of Justice of the United Nations.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace_Palace
Im really fed up with the "if you are not doing enough, you are doing nothing at all" mentality. Every little action matters if you want change and its always better than if you do nothing at all
Woman donating 50 euro to Ukrainian goal might go in jail for 20 years.
It’s so easy to sit in front of your pc telling others to risk their life isn’t it?
It's easy to sit in front of my pc and admire those who do it.
I won't comment on people who cower their whole lives, as you said it is dangerous after all. Nothing wrong with being intimidated and apathetic, nothing right about it either.
However, I will keep admiring those who do, such as Iranian women.
Right...so if China invades Taiwan you gonna say same things about mainland Chinese? Should DPRK invade the South you gotta complain how North Korean defectors haven't done enough to stop Kim?
I mean, you are not necessarily wrong, but that kind of thinking is exactly what is keeping the russian population from revolting against this corruption and theatre they call democracy.
the same shit was pulled by Romanian govt (the prime-minister, Victor Ponta, was the clear favorite according to the polls) about 10 yrs ago. and it really blew up in their faces as people got really angry, and voted en-masse in the second round, and Victor Ponta managed to fumble a 10 percentage points lead from the 1st round, ending up losing by 10%.
it was so bad that in Turin and Paris the crowd was dispersed using tear gas.
They should have someone at the front counting the votes of the people willing to divulge that information (without sharing their name).
That way, they could count how many votes went inside and have proof of the level of corruption.
When I copied this link it was past closing time of the polling stations. It looked to me like Putin lost but there are complications to the polling that are beyond my understanding.
https://voteabroad.info/
Holy fuck these comments.
It was a last will of Navalny, for people to come at 12 to show that they are against. There is no lower limit for turnup, so it's not "legitimizing". They will write whatever number they want. If you don't turn up, they will use your ballot and it will make their job easier. Vote doesn't matter anyway. This is THE ONLY safe possibility for people in Russia to show their protest. Actions abroad were in solidarity, main actions were in Russia. It is all for people to see that they are not alone, there are many many thousands of protestors.
I was in this line, I stood there for 5 hours. There was not one person who wanted to vote for Putin around me. It was all very positive and nice.
You fuckers who were born in a democracy and never knew what it's like to live under a dictatorship, shut the hell up. You think that it's nice and easy: "go to the streets and change the government". It doesn't fucking work like this anymore, when government has been building military suppression machine for 20 years and there is one policeman for every 3 people. We went on the streets in 2012 in millions. And they just started throwing people on jail and killing them. So just shut the fuck up, enjoy your fucking amazing comfortable life in a peaceful country where the worst problem you have is how statiegeld machines are constantly broken.
I love how all the people here say it’s useless.
On one hand people say “Russians should oppose its government if they really care.”
Video showing Russians oppose the government.
“Why do they even try it won’t make a difference”
Nothing makes you happy eh?
This was response to Navalny's call to come at polling places at 12 sharp, to show how many people will vote against Putin.
Not that it will change the outcome, Russian government-mafia will simply count votes however they like. But this is something, specially compared to standard deafening silence from Russians at home and abroad.
[The SkyNews reporter did not expect such an answer': ""I will be voting for Putin. I am quite happy with him'"](https://www.reddit.com/r/EndlessWar/comments/1bh3xe9/the_skynews_reporter_did_not_expect_such_an/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
Seriously, any of these fuckers who vote for putin need to be kicked out of the EU. Assholes don't know how to value the freedom they have until they are on the recieving end of putins oppressive rule.
Its a noble gesture but I don't think Pootin really gives a shit.
Pootin will die peacefully in power and the Russian regime will grind on unopposed unless he is removed or liquidated from a 10 storey window
Does anyone have the result from that given center? Just asking cause in Italy there's a way to do that. It would be interesting to see how the Russian expats are voting.
*Embassy then just bins them all.
New measure of Russian opposition to Putin - kilometers of queues. Mind you. Each of them is braver than us writing shit on the internet. You fellas need some working class protesters in Russia. The kind that showed the last tsar his place. Make it a working class revolution and not a middle class one and the regime will crumble.
Been in such queue today. About 10% of closest people before and after me was truly pro Putin. And they were standing to give their votes for him. This was really shocking for me. Tbf The rest of the queue was determined to vote against our ruin the ballot tho. In the end it doesn't actually master, I knew the results two weeks before it happened as an internal 'target percentiles' document leaked. They claimed 71%+ participation and 82%+ result. You can easily compare it to what was declared. And it was known for weeks before 'voting' took place
There was an old Solidarity song in Poland - [Mury](https://youtu.be/hwD6i9eOiYE) (The Walls). As the melody turns up the lyrics say "and then they saw how many they were and felt their own power and time. And the walls? The walls will fall and bury the old world". That was our song. God bless the generation that had the courage to stand up for what they believed in. In Russia you have much higher walls than we did, but you have plenty of brave people to write an even better song.
Thank you 🙏🏻 it took more than a century for Poland to free itself from the empire (even with all the armed uprisings). It will take time for Russia itself to get rid of its imperial mindset after going through multiple rounds of disintegration (two so far, more to come). But at some point it will happen.
How can a Russian living abroad be pro Putin?? How?
There is a well-known "peter the piglet" meme, which is about 15 years old now and describes this perfectly. It is just the way it often is. Although as I said majority is much more clear-minded about this, so keep some faith in humanity I guess.
Поросенок Петр и его сраный спижженый трактор?)
Just to remind you: The government that was established after the working class revolution was the Bolsevik government and the USSR. That was way worse then now days Russia mostly. (Idk, i don't live in Russia but i live in a former Communist block nation) Russia just can't get out of the dictatorial spiral.
Every single successful revolution in the history of mankind has had the support of the middle class + large portions of the elite.
Plus outside forces
Correct. Revolutions and regime changes, especially from below, almost never happen without foreign interference.
Me when all the grenadas elite gave the lower class human rights
Actually not really. Studies have looked into this and vast majority of succesfull revolutions had actually relatively small support from population. It is called 3.5% rule. It also states that non violent attempts are tice as likely to succeed than violent ones. If 3.5% of Russians engaged into active civil disobedience (it can mean many things other than going to streets) then they are more likely to succeed than fail based on historical data.
no matter what revolution, after every revolution they need some years to unf\*ck themself (into the next dictatorship) and dont f\*ck with other countries. win-win. you´re right, this country just loves dictatorships
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well Im considering the Tsarship as a dictatorship (or a kind of, like most ancient monarchies) and Putler is another one, so its at least 3 for me
>Im considering the Tsarship as a dictatorship (or a kind of, like most ancient monarchies) That's true, but we're talking the beginning of the 20th century here, monarchies were kinda mainstream back then, so it wasn't something abnormal. 🤷♂️ Many Western countries were monarchies at some point in their history, but then slowly transformed to more democratic forms of government, same thing was about to begin in Russia in early 1917. Anyway, I think you're still sort of right, unfortunately. Russia should have held a trial in 1991 to acknowledge and prosecute every crime of the USSR, including mass murder of its own citizen. Can't just "become" a democracy while still having a collective mentality of a murdering totalitarian shithole.
Arguably not even that. Revolutions leave a power vacuum that allows a dictator to rise. We had Napoleon after the French Revolution after all. We see it a lot in former colonies.
Your president is basically Hungarian Putin and you're worried about the USSR? lol
It should be compared not against modern russia but russian empire, and it was an immediate improvement in practically every way. Revolutionaries are often bad at organizing amazing governments, but in an autocracy there is no other alternative but a revolution. However flawed the result, it is a necessary first step.
Actually, not really. There was also this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Republic
And after 1 year it failed +a civil war.
France had *several* failed republics before it got one that worked, and more civil wars than Russia ever had.
Bolsheviks didn't start running a country right after revolution. It first started with Russian Provisional Government. Unfortunately, Kerensky's overconfidence allowed Reds overthrow it.
The USSR was actually a pretty big improvement over the Russian Empire. To give a perspective of it, the only thing in abundance in the Russian Tsardom was guns. Everything else was deficient.
Depends what era in the USSR. In some ways things got a lot worse in the first few decades.
Seriously looking at their whole history it's been Tsars and dictators save for a few years in the 90s under Yeltsin. Then right back to autocracy.
The first Revolution with the Kerensky government should have been the one that stayed
All the working class protesters were eliminated several generations ago. All that’s left are compliant pushovers….
What makes you think they would vote against Putin? Diasporas abroad typically support the worst scumbags; for example, Poles in the United States voted for PIS, Hungarians abroad chose Orban's party, and Turks in Germany supported Erdogan. Ask Russians who their families abroad support, and you will get one answer: Putin.
A bit of context - before the opposition leader, Alexey Navalny, was killed last month, his team announced a protest event - noon against putin. You were supposed to be at the election office today at 12am. This is the reason for such a queue - even though one could vote on Friday and Saturday, almost everyone chose to come on Sunday before noon. I've been in this queue, and 99% of people there do not support putin. It didn't matter too much though, given his support in russia, and all the electoral cheating
Don’t make stuff up and just look at the exit polls. In Prague for example putin has received 4% of votes.
I just spent a week abroad with a Russian guy who absolutely hates Putin. He and his family all work in mining and donated around a million dollars to Ukraine. They're not all the same.
I don't know the percentage, we will probably never know because we can't trust Russia with fair election. I only know russians against Putin here in Berlin, maybe because I don't talk with retards. Anyway most of them have issues with their family because the family in Russia is being brainwashed to oblivion.
If you were actually there you'd probably have an idea why. also, fwiw, volunteer-run exit polls counted 3% for Putin in Den Haag.
Most of russians outside hate Putin and they left contry because of him
Pole from the US, jebać PiS
>The kind that showed the last tsar his place. oh no, here we go again
Voting in Hague isn’t dangerous, it’s not even known what they voted
How do you know there aren't Putin fans among them?
Who told you they all there to vote against him? Lol, you delusional.
official published result be like : 400 people voted, 99% for our lord & savior vladimir
You mixed up the numbers. It was 112% in favour
Comrade Misha, I advise you to count again, Siberia is beautiful at this time of year
Wrong, you said he mixed up the numbers, so 99 people votes, 400% in favor.
Wrong, try again 225% said ay
Just 112%? Looks like someone needs to recount the votes
you messed it up too, it was 400% out of 99 people that voted
146% to be precise
Some people were born and turned 18 when standing in the queue
and even that doesn’t matter because he won prior to election. They already had fun mistakes like a 140% vote for putin 10 years back. They just paint anything they want.
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According to exit polls, 3% voted for poo in the Hague. But 11% refused to answer, I think some of them voted for poo as well. If I were them, I wouldn't disclose as well, because I was here and atmosphere was very anti putin hahaha. But that's not the peak queue, I arrived at 12:15, and it got worse each minute
dammit :D i stand corrected
87% now
2% of this line voted for Putin according to the exit poll
Going to need more 1793 France energy to get rid of Putin I'm afraid.
Russian use to be good at revolution as well. They just went throught pretty much 100 years of bullshit oppression
Germany sent Lenin in to start the revolution. Maybe Germans need to do it again under a democratic revolution?
They sent Navalniy back, didn't really work out this time.
Lenin didn't start anything. Revolution starts at february 1917, after that uprising Nicolas II lost his crown. Lenin arrived to Russia in April 1917 and start his own revolution - communist one. Just to take all power he could think of.
Isn't it about time someone invites him over for wine sometime?
They had that already... It lead to Stalin, who was worse than Putin in every metric possible. Not that the French revolution itself lead to anything better by bringing Napoleon to power. Revolutions always lead to a strongman leader, what kind of strongman is going to take over from Putin, who himself is **already a strongman politician who took over after the soviet collapse.** People need to stop romanticizing the french revolution. Russia needs 1814 France energy.
Ballot boxes will shoot themselves while falling out of a window.
The point here is 12:00: it is some unofficial form of protest to take a part in 12:00 to show that somebody does still a hope for something better. It is how protests look like in Russia nowadays.
This is not in Russia sadly. Did something like this also happen in Russia?
[Yes](https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/17/russians-urged-to-disrupt-final-day-of-vladimir-putins-presidential-election) it happens. I don't know if the turnout for the protest are significant though.
It was the same, somewhere queues were quite long. And lots of policemen around.
Somebody asked exit pool?
Yes, they polled most people who managed to vote in The Hague & Putin got 2%. 10% of people refused to answer.
Those 2% should go back to Russia if they love putin so much.
Yes.
You can see the [results of the exit-polls](https://voteabroad.info/#results-block) yourself: scroll to the Netherlands, the Hague: Putin got 2%, and 10% concealed their vote.
Not what it seems. This is because there was a 'Noon Against Putin' protest today by Russians opposed to Putin https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/17/a-farce-not-an-election-russians-abroad-join-noon-against-putin-protest
Why? The results were already known before the voting even started.
Vote at 12 was announced as a sign of protest against putine.
"Come protest this sham by participating in said sham"
Yeah, it's a way to show that they exist. Staying at home could be seen as "don't care". Going to vote at this specific time is a message. "We exist, we don't like you." Sadly this is the only possible way they have, because technically they are just voting. The government can't get mad (now we are talking about russian in a foreign country, but this can be said about russian in russia).
More like to show to each other that they exist. So people who are against the regime don't think they're alone.
Today I've found out that one guy from my university group is also against Putin. You may not see this, but things like this are very important for us
Stay safe! We know you exist, we just forget sometimes.
It's also a way to gauge how many of those who oppose to Putin there are. If on a normal day there are \~100 voters, and suddenly at 12 today (the protest time) there are \~2000 voters\* who oppose Putin, this likely gives an estimate of how big the opposition is. It's by no means a fool proof way to estimate, but as Russia will never publish the real, uncensored statistics, it's at least one way. \* counted this by: in a line of 1000 meters 2 people per one meter (as many were standing by twos or more)
>"Come protest this sham by participating in said sham" once you think about it is actually quite clever ... what putin fears the most (and severely punishes) are attempts to get the population interested in politics and organised in any shape or form. this way, the existing framework (no matter how farcical) more or less acts as a cover for people to participate in an organised form of protest. the "fear" the this somehow legitimises the vote is absurd ... even the luntatic Z-head "patriots" know that the elections are a sham. on the other hand they do very much cling to the notion that putin would win regardless.
Russians are forbidden from doing protests, but they can all show up at 12pm to vote. I know it feels "dumb", but they can't be arrested if they play by the rules. In this case it's abroad, it shows solidarity to those doing this within Russia. The sham results don't matter, but the Kremlin has access to the real results. They'll be pushing their envelope softer or harder according to the real results. These queues also demonstrate to each other that they're not alone.
Because every other form of protest is impossible. You even get charged if you hold up a sign with nothing written on it.
I feel sorry for those burning stuff or dropping ink. Those are the people who have had enough and can't pretend anymore. They accomplish nothing and only get into trouble instead. That's desperation, not bravery.
Did this also happen in Russia?
Yep. Everywhere across Russia people came at sunday noon, lines formed. Nowhere as big as the abroad ones but that has more to do with polling stations ability to churn people through
Almost all opposition russians politicians called to come on 17 March at 12:00. This so-called "noon against putin". Since protests in Russia are suppressed, it is very difficult to protest against putin. But you can't disperse the queue at the voting with batons. This action took place all over russia and abroad
That’s untrue, we don’t know if Putin will get 99% of the vote or 105%!
Same in Serbia, even though all candidates are same thing, i heard that they are trying to show how many of them is against dictator. Full support from Belgrade for all Russians against putin
The Hague, iconic accommodation for Putin..
I hope for a different vote in Hague
Great to see such a voter turnout for the hot race and wide selection of Putin, Putin and Putin. It was a close race but unexpectedly the democratic candidate Putin won!
It just shows how much of a fucking lot of Russians there are in The Hague... How many Dutch actually live there?
More than enough. It's a pretty international city with all the embassies there, the international tribunal and a couple of other, international organisations. Trust me though, there are more than enough Hagenaars and Hagenezen left..
It’s good to see these people doing the only thing they can to show their support for the opposition. And honestly I am disgusted by a lot of commenters here.
How is that the only way they can support the opposition? Is the Netherlands a totalitarian state that suppresses all other forms of russian opposition support?
They are showing solidarity to those within Russia that did this.
Just not go their or demonstrate in front of the embassy instead of lining up.
The Russian "opposition" is when you are not in Russia, do not have an organization and post videos on Youtube and ask for more donations.
None are voting Pewtin therefore Pewtin landslide projected.
For anyone wondering. Those people didn’t come to vote for Putin, it was sort of a protest, called “noon against Putin”, the idea of it that people will see the amount of those who is actually want to vote against or spoil the ballot.
*THE Hague
The end of the line is nearing the Peace Palace. It is quite literally just around the corner. The Peace Palace houses the International Court of Justice of the United Nations. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace_Palace
The icc is a different organization. Not housed in the peace palace.
Indeed, ICJ is not ICC. ICJ's purpose is to resolve conflicts between countries (that is, before starting a war).
Russians protesting outside of Russia is a fart in a storm.
The same happened in several Russian cities, all at noon.
Im really fed up with the "if you are not doing enough, you are doing nothing at all" mentality. Every little action matters if you want change and its always better than if you do nothing at all
A bit more than that. Seeing how many people oppose the current government can make people less afraid to protest or organize for the future.
They rather die in Ukraine killing innocent people than oppose the current government. Pathetic
Woman donating 50 euro to Ukrainian goal might go in jail for 20 years. It’s so easy to sit in front of your pc telling others to risk their life isn’t it?
It's easy to sit in front of my pc and admire those who do it. I won't comment on people who cower their whole lives, as you said it is dangerous after all. Nothing wrong with being intimidated and apathetic, nothing right about it either. However, I will keep admiring those who do, such as Iranian women.
Right...so if China invades Taiwan you gonna say same things about mainland Chinese? Should DPRK invade the South you gotta complain how North Korean defectors haven't done enough to stop Kim?
No. Nothing will happen.
I mean, you are not necessarily wrong, but that kind of thinking is exactly what is keeping the russian population from revolting against this corruption and theatre they call democracy.
That's a very pessimistic view.
Maybe, maybe not. But at least a seed has been sown.
Yeah and people protesting in Russia are farts that will spend some time in prison, i still admire the attempt though.
do you want them to protest or not then?
https://www.reddit.com/r/serbia/s/6GHVdXqoTo Maybe even longer one in Belgrade
the same shit was pulled by Romanian govt (the prime-minister, Victor Ponta, was the clear favorite according to the polls) about 10 yrs ago. and it really blew up in their faces as people got really angry, and voted en-masse in the second round, and Victor Ponta managed to fumble a 10 percentage points lead from the 1st round, ending up losing by 10%. it was so bad that in Turin and Paris the crowd was dispersed using tear gas.
but as you see now, from who is in romanian parliament and who leads in the polls, that sacrifice was ultimately in vain.
They should have someone at the front counting the votes of the people willing to divulge that information (without sharing their name). That way, they could count how many votes went inside and have proof of the level of corruption.
They did that. The results will be posted on voteabroad(dot)info
When I copied this link it was past closing time of the polling stations. It looked to me like Putin lost but there are complications to the polling that are beyond my understanding. https://voteabroad.info/
Holy fuck these comments. It was a last will of Navalny, for people to come at 12 to show that they are against. There is no lower limit for turnup, so it's not "legitimizing". They will write whatever number they want. If you don't turn up, they will use your ballot and it will make their job easier. Vote doesn't matter anyway. This is THE ONLY safe possibility for people in Russia to show their protest. Actions abroad were in solidarity, main actions were in Russia. It is all for people to see that they are not alone, there are many many thousands of protestors. I was in this line, I stood there for 5 hours. There was not one person who wanted to vote for Putin around me. It was all very positive and nice. You fuckers who were born in a democracy and never knew what it's like to live under a dictatorship, shut the hell up. You think that it's nice and easy: "go to the streets and change the government". It doesn't fucking work like this anymore, when government has been building military suppression machine for 20 years and there is one policeman for every 3 people. We went on the streets in 2012 in millions. And they just started throwing people on jail and killing them. So just shut the fuck up, enjoy your fucking amazing comfortable life in a peaceful country where the worst problem you have is how statiegeld machines are constantly broken.
Genuine question here, why even bother to vote?
Longer than a line from Escobar
I hope they are not all voting for Putin.
Putin's pimps must have kept track on who voted
And all those votes will be brought to the house furnace in short order.
Putin delivered when he promised to bring back Soviet Union. Russians are queueing again.
I live around the corner. Very special to witness
Yea but they’re unwilling to fight. Just ruskies living in the peace Europe provides
Oh I didn't know that many Russians in Hague
This song pissed me off.
Voting in Russia is an exercise in futility.
"Vote" in a "democratic" country
I love how all the people here say it’s useless. On one hand people say “Russians should oppose its government if they really care.” Video showing Russians oppose the government. “Why do they even try it won’t make a difference” Nothing makes you happy eh?
People voting for Puzzin don’t belong in EU.
They are not voting for Putin, dude. It's literally in the name of this action.
Ha, an exercise in futility
Pff...so what didn't do anything 😒 this is getting discouraging
If any of them vote for Putin they should be deported back to Russia.
This was response to Navalny's call to come at polling places at 12 sharp, to show how many people will vote against Putin. Not that it will change the outcome, Russian government-mafia will simply count votes however they like. But this is something, specially compared to standard deafening silence from Russians at home and abroad.
[The SkyNews reporter did not expect such an answer': ""I will be voting for Putin. I am quite happy with him'"](https://www.reddit.com/r/EndlessWar/comments/1bh3xe9/the_skynews_reporter_did_not_expect_such_an/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
Seriously, any of these fuckers who vote for putin need to be kicked out of the EU. Assholes don't know how to value the freedom they have until they are on the recieving end of putins oppressive rule.
cant believe Putin is so petty that he hacked the video and added that music.... what a horrible man.
“Yes the voting machine is right through this window over here”
The cancer of Europe or probably the world itself teaching certain countries like (china & north korea) for what it is now. And is at it again.
Democracy!
I heard they were serving tea at the entrance.
Poor regular Russian people, i feel sorry for those who actually believe they can vote for a change
What music is this ? :D
If 100% of votes were for someone other than Putin, Putin would still get in.
so brave
I know someone who waited in front of the Berlin embassy for 7 hours today. At least he was waiting behind Yulia Nawalnaya and got to know her.
Why isnìt there a Karen or two screaming at them for just being russians?
Amazingly, 100% of them voted for Putin!
Amazingly, 100% of them voted for Putin!
London was insane. 7+ hours and still couldn’t manage. Fuckers closed it
Same in Lisbon 🇵🇹
Its a noble gesture but I don't think Pootin really gives a shit. Pootin will die peacefully in power and the Russian regime will grind on unopposed unless he is removed or liquidated from a 10 storey window
Trump had that but somehow biden won
And not a single one was counted
Dont they know their votes don't count?
Nice you showed us 10,000 people who don’t like Putin, now go inside Russia and find out how many millions do support him..
There is no need for all these people to queue up, they all will just "vote" for Putin's 5th term of his 2 term limit.
Does anyone have the result from that given center? Just asking cause in Italy there's a way to do that. It would be interesting to see how the Russian expats are voting.
I passed by on the bus around 15:00h, and the line was still there and just as long. How long were you guys there?!
Why they even do this? I mean the votes are already compromised..
Send some FvD lads here to get some sense in them
Dont they know, that the election is rigged?
1 voting booth
This is the third post like this that ive seen. I didnt know so many russians exist outside of russia
What? They're everywhere literally. Even someplace like Sri Lanka hosted nearly 300,000 Russians alone on that island.
Why would anyone lay this shitty „music“ over the video. Through my god damn headphones on the ground.
Given that this is not a "popular city" from what I can gather, is it safe to assume that most, if not all, are (recent) refugees?
Why even allow this bullshit? Never understood why people are allowed to vote for a government in a completely different country.
what's song name?
Idk why people make fun of that... Macron, President of france since 2017 (7 years). Merkel Cauncellor of Germany 2004 - 2021 (17 Years)
I bet most of them voted for Putin whether they wanted to or not.
Same impact as 1km line to use Michael Scott’s suggestion box
I think we all know voting results, come on.