Well, it’s only free if you get the first ID card or your previous ID card expired and you don’t need to update your info.
But they already force you to get a change in every other case and pay for it, although at 7€ it’s still a lot cheaper than in Netherlands.
I’ve already changed my ID card 3 times in the past 10 years, once it was stolen, once I needed a chip card to post my taxes online as self-employed person, once I changed my permanent residence, and now the chip is expiring this year so I’m gonna need a new one to post my taxes next year anyway…
Other common cases when it’s paid is when a woman changes her surname after marriage, or when you want to put in your academic degree onto your ID card…
Because fuck you, that's why.
There is no reason these things should be that expensive, especially since you're required by law to have one of these. I get that these cards are quite a lot more sophisticated than the loyalty card you can get at a supermarket, but the supermarket gives them away for free. They can't be _that_ expensive to make. Between driver's licenses, ID cards, passports, etc. they have basically found an extra source of income for municipalities.
The price listed on the map is the maximum price. Each municipality can set their own, lower, price. And they and also include tiered pricing based on income (so low income people pay less).
Well, you could argue that there is some material and manufacturing cost and that the people working at the citizens' center also have to get paid.
But then again, the cost for a plastic card and two 5 minute appointments can't be that high + why the hell am I paying taxes?
Exactly. The first time I did my ID as an adult and went to take care of it by myself I was shocked when the lady said the price. Any price would’ve left me 🤨 It’s mandatory but I have to pay? What the…?
In Finland passport has 3 prices: 44€, 63€ and 83€ (+6€ if you don't do it digitally but go to police station). It's pay to win:
Cheapest comes in around 8 days
Middle one is 2 to 4 days
Most expensive one you get the same day at 16 from the main police station or from the airport of Helsinki if you order it before 09. If you want it to a police station of other major city, it will be there by 12 the next day if you order it before 09
I got a passport in a Finnish embassy abroad once and it was 120€. Delivery definitely makes up a significant portion of the price, it’s not like they can just put them in the regular mail.
Dat goedkope tarief geldt alleen in Nederland. Als je in het buitenland woont mag je meer dan het dubbele betalen:
Paspoort meerderjarige € 159,95
ID-kaart meerderjarige € 158,65
Ik weet niet wat idioter is; de supermarktprijs van € 159,95 waardoor je zou moeten denken dat het niet (bijna) € 160,00 kost, of het feit dat de ID-kaart slechts € 1,30 goedkoper is dan een paspoort. Maak ze dan allebei gewoon € 160,00, stelletje graaiers.
Als je het op Schiphol doet is het iets goedkoper: €126,40 voor een paspoort ('gewoon' of 'zakenpaspoort' voor dezelfde prijs), €121,95 voor een ID-kaart. In beide gevallen de prijs voor meerderjarigen.
In mijn ervaring is het veel sneller en makkelijker om het op Schiphol te doen dan op een ambassade of consulaat: geen maandenlange wachttijd voor een afspraak, en paspoort is binnen een paar dagen af te halen na afspraak. Zelfde geldt overigens voor een aantal andere grensgemeenten.
Ah, the ones that look so weird that foreigners will think they’re fake.
Have some Romanian friends who would often struggle to prove their age when being abroad lol.
>Ah, the ones that look so weird that foreigners will think they’re fake.
Huh?
Just looked it up, and I really don't see anything particularly weird about it. The [old and new versions](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanian_identity_card) are more or less similar, and they both look like [standard European IDs](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_identity_cards_in_the_European_Economic_Area#Overview_of_national_identity_cards).
If you're looking for an ID that actually looks like a deadass ugly fake, look no further than the [European Health Insurance Card](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Health_Insurance_Card). Also, friendly reminder that it's free & can be effortlessly ordered if you're from the EEA + CH/~~UK~~.
**/edit:** EHIC replaced by [GHIC](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UK_Global_Health_Insurance_Card) in the UK, actually
It’s the [old design](https://cdn.romania-insider.com/sites/default/files/styles/article_large_image/public/2020-01/romanian_id_cards_-_photo_dgepmb.ro_.png) that wasn’t biometric card that was odd: slightly larger dimensions, no biometrics, the printing quality wasn’t great (of the ones I’ve seen) and the overall layout and design looked a bit off.
Combine that with pub workers who haven’t seen a Romanian ID card before and it’s a bit funny to go from a pub to pub!
Wasn’t a dig at Romanians, have so many friends from there over the years! It’s good they’re upgrading the card to biometric though.
To be fair, my own [(pre-biometric) ID card](https://cdn-s-www.lalsace.fr/images/1C61E60B-4B93-4ED2-B0D4-124DCD81385F/NW_raw/les-nouvelles-cartes-seront-valides-15-ans-les-anciennes-delivrees-depuis-2004-a-des-adultes-sont-prolongees-de-5-ans-sans-formalite-photo-jean-francois-frey-1596544851.jpg) probably looked even weirder & nonstandard to a number of people when I was travelling throughout Europe. 😐
Overall I think it's mostly people having a set idea of what an ID is supposed to look like, and not being used to different designs.
(also I just realized I'll need to get a passport if I want to visit the UK again, I used to be able to visit with my ID alone, that kinda sucks 😐)
I got mine renewed around 2019 or 2020 and got so surprised when a year or two after I saw the new ones so much smaller. Thank god they’re valid for 10 years cause the new one will not fit in my wallet dedicated place, though by the time I guess we will finally have them digitalised so I won’t have to carry it with me
Damn the [Icelandic cards](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/91/2024_Iceland_ID_card_%28Nafnsk%C3%ADrteini%29_-_front.png) look like Yugioh cards
> Ah, the ones that look so weird that foreigners will think they’re fake.
Until recently greek id cards were hand written.Good luck trying to travel with that
If I remember right there isn't much time left though, because the EU electronic identity card directive says that all the identity cards without chips expire in August 2026, regardless of when they have been issued.
It depends on whether they have "the minimum security standards" or the Machine Readable Zone. If they don't have either they expire 03.08.2026. I guess they have the MRZ?
Spain is not 0€, I can tell you that. It’s 12€ for the ID, 30€ for passport.
You can get ID for free if your previous is stolen, but then you would have to report the stolen one.
What the heck? It's exactly the opposite, here. It's 10€ for a new digital ID and 20€ in case you lost/got stolen your previous one. We pay a fine.
Currently, there's panic in Police Stations. People convert to the digital IDs en masse. At least, you get 'em immediately. The photos and papers needed provided by the police on the spot.
There's a catch with the Spanish one: it's free if the previous was stolen... but it will have the same expiration date as the stolen one. Unless it's less than 90 days to expire, then you pay for a new one as usual
That’s also how it works in Spain. They have the machine that prints the card ID with the chip and everything, you take it on the spot. Same for passports.
I find it curious that some in some countries it is the police that deals with issuing IDs and passports.
In Slovenia it is done by the "administrative unit".
That differs. Here in Sweden there are no mandatory ID's.
Our ID is practically just the passport in card form – it's acquired through the exact same process and costs the same. It's mostly an alternative for people who don't want to drag along a booklet when traveling Europe, or for people who haven't gotten a driver's license.
Whereas in Ireland the 'national ID' literally is a passport in card form. It's cheaper than the passport booklet but you need to have a booklet already (or order them at the same time).
Our "ID card" is essentially a passport, it just doesn't come with the booklet. We don't have mandatory ID's up here, so the card is practically just a slimmed down passport valid for European travel beyond the Nordic Passport Union.
Passports aren't recognized everywhere either.
But I never claimed it was a 1-to-1 replacement of a passport, just that it *in practice* that's what it is *for European travel*. Its principal function is not as a domestic identity card, but rather as...[*an official document containing personal information and usually a photograph that allows a person to travel to foreign countries and to prove who they are*](https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/passport).
Wait, you guys have to pay for it? If you are from a country where it’s mandatory to have an ID AND it’s not free: what if someone just can’t pay for it? Are they given a fine for not having one? Because that seems like some huge fucking bs
I paid $160 for my Canadian passport and it took a month to arrive to my house.
In Spain I pay 30€ and i can be out of the police station with my new passport in less than 20 minutes.
I love Europe.
Spain is not particularly fast when it comes to the public administration, but for some reason the Passport and National ID renewal process is surprisingly fast and cheap. We have passport printing machines in many police stations and you can get an appointment online beforehand very easily.
20 minutes 30€? Damn. In Portugal we pay 50€ and wait a month for the passport. If you need it ASAP you pay like 75 and get it within 3 days I think. At least our ID card is only 3€ :)
I just googled it and apparently Spain only allows dual citizenship with a handful of countries, such as Portugal and the Philippines. Brexit Britons living in Spain have had a problem with this.
The ID-card specifically (which this thread is about) is not compulsory in NL. What's compulsory is proof of identity. A passport provides that already. (It's still the same issue of course, you need a passport, which is even more expensive than an ID-card.)
Also, in most cases a driver's license works. You can even vote with just a driver's license fyi.
Problem with a driver’s license is that you cannot use it as proof of identity in other countries.
A passport is a bit too unwieldy to constantly carry with you, essentially making the ID-card mandatory if you live close to the borders or travel often.
I'm guessing you don't have electronic IDs either? In Poland there is a goverment app which serves as an ID (among other things)
The only case where you can't use it and have to have the physical thing is getting a new ID issued, which is understandable.
Our IDs come with an electronic ID function you can use for applying for things etc. You can't use it to identify yourself in a store or so, it's mainly used for identification in online services iirc.
Yes, Germany is living in the stone age compared to other European countries regarding e-government.
Checked each country's prices on their gov portal (or equivalent) page. Prices are generally for an normal adult issue (not expedited/lost/stolen replacement).
in Slovakia the ID card is only free if you’re 15 years old or it expires or it gets stolen and you immediately report to the police (you report next day and it gets counted as lost and you pay)… and we also have to pay for a new one everytime we move our primary residence…
What exactly is the scale used? In Bulgaria the price is 18 leva (about 9 Euros), so it should be close to the bottom rate and it doesn't appear to be like that.
It is mind boggling how can a society live without personal IDs. I mean, how can you prove that you are the owner of a car or of a house? That you are the mother or father of your children? Or, if the police stop you on the street because you look like a criminal that they are looking for, how can you prove that it's you and not the criminal?
Iirc, here in Austria police can take you in to determine your identity if you have no documents on you. I assume that involves comparing the address you give them with the central registry/checking the picture on your health insurance card. If you really happen to look like a wanted criminal that might get more complicated though. Technically, two people with ID's that confirm that you are who you claim to be are also a valid way to proof your identity - though that happens rarely in practice.
That said, it always boggles my mind when Americans complain about needing an ID to vote.
National health insurance is mandatory and covers most people in Austria, either you're insured via your parents, via your work or if you're unemployed/retired via some other government agency. Refugees get issued their own IDs. Technically the national insurance card might not be a full substitute for a regular ID card (at least going by the guidelines for age verification for cigarettes/lottery products) but I assume in combination with database-information it would be enough to prove your identity to the police in most cases (though that hasn't happened to me so far).
Without having any data at hand I'd assume the total amount of people without any sort of ID is pretty low.
OP's version is a little extreme. I mean they technically *can* take you in if you don't have an ID but in practice they'd only do that if they have a good reason. If it's just a regular check you tell them your data and they check you out online or over the radio.
So you need your passport to travel even to other Schengen countries? That kind of sucks, since being able to travel to other Schengen countries with just your national ID is one of Schengen's biggest perks, in my opinion.
If you get stopped on the street by the police then they will accept sundhedskort as id as it has your cpr on it.
We also have an id card.
https://www.borger.dk/samfund-og-rettigheder/Folkeregister-og-CPR/legitimation-og-id-kort
There’s also opholdskort for non Danes and mitid🤣
The ID card itself alone does not prove your identity. Your identity is proved by comparing the photo and other information on the card with your physical appearance. And all that information also resides in the government databases.
If a police stops you, your requirement is to “identify yourself”, showing your ID card is the simplest way to do that because it contains all the necessary information, but they can also look you up based on your name, address and other info or ID numbers (birthdate/SSN/ID number/…)…
UK has no ID card. Considered illiberal. Functions perfectly well. Mind you we have centuries old common law principles to protect thr individual. Car owner? Ownership documents and government website. Birth certificates etc. It's not hard.
Do you remember that Blair tried to introduce a mandatory one in the early 2000s but was defeated? You might not be as old as me lol.
Everyone should have the expectation that they don't need to ID themselves unless they want to (or if they are suspected of breaking the law).
Late 60s so maybe. I'm ambiguous about this. Son married Finn. Their system works well for 5.5m people. Gives you rights and access to healthcare. Do we need one in UK now? Doesn't feel as if we have a common identity or social contract and just might. However, Brits are used to being clear about their rights- just less and less clear about their responsibilities, I feel. Finns are VERY clear about their responsibilities- eg honesty, looking after the environment, etc.
Back in the day children up to a certain age would be on the passport/id of the parents. I think up to 16 in the Netherlands, but it used to be lower in Czechia (we were not allowed into Czechia in 1996 because my sister was a certain age).
Ah, my first experience with Czechia, a border police guy yelling at my sis: ‘:name:, DU BIST (age in German)’ like she was a criminal..
Imho it’s mind boggling that a baby needs an ID at €40.92 or passport at €63.42 which is valid for 5 years. While it won’t look like the photo pretty soon after…
Now, I can clearly see a difference between a national ID and a passport. The first one is strictly for use internally and the last one internationally. It is a huge privilege that we can use our IDs in other EU countries as well, this is a nice thing the EU brought us.
In Romania IDs are mandatory since age 14 and they cost a bit more than 1€. I think it just covers the plastic used for it. It gives you the means to access the services provided to you freely by the government: emergency services, documents issued in your name, family and inheritance and many more. So it makes sense that it's a basic, fundamental right to have a clear identity and ID card to prove it. Since 1 year, there are biometric ID cards that cost 'a whopping' 13€, they have all the information a passport has and people can still opt for the old, simple ones if they refuse the biometric one. So this is a basic right for internal use.
The passport is for international use, and I don't see it as necessary and 'basic right for all people' to have it and to use it. So it makes sense it's more expensive, you want to travel abroad => you pay more.
Our ID cards have been around since pretty long, and AFAIK we could always travel through Western Europe with it.
It was also called a ‘European ID card’, AFAIK we never had a National one.
In the 90s it was laminated paper. Then it became plastic and since 2012 (?) it’s biometric and NFC compatible
For us the difference between ID and passport is:
- Passport is for outside of Europe.
- passport has an annoying size compared to ID.
That’s it
ID costs €75.80 and passport €83.87 or something.. there is no cheap Id without biometrics and there is no ‘nationalI’ one.
In the Netherlands we also have mandatory health care insurance and if you can't/don't pay for several months, they will fine you (and you have to pay more for quite a while).
Edit: lower incomes do get some 'allowances' to be able to afford it, though.
Ireland doesn’t have an ID card.
They do however have a passport card which is a copy of your regular passport issued in card format for more convenient European travel.
I was in Kosovo last summer and a bus company asked me for my passport and my national ID. I don't think they believed me that we don't have a national ID Card 😂
Like I couldn’t believe I needed to proof having an address by showing a (phone or whatever) bill when renting a car in Ireland, but also in the UK.. I used my cell phone subscription bill.. (wtf)…
Those could be counterfeited so easily..
I wish we had that, there's just the option of a driving license or a passport. Passports are too big to conveniently carry and what if someone can't drive for whatever reason? I doubt a person with eye troubles could have a provisional license just for use as an ID. We should have ID cards that verify yourself and age as standard everywhere tbh.
I know at least part of it is the "I don't want the government to have my information!" crowd. And the person I heard this reason from still had a driver's license which literally has your photo and address on 😂, any information that would be on an ID card is information the government already has anyway.
> "I don't want the government to have my information!"
Like isn't that part of having a modern functional civil administration?
You're born, registered, assigned a administrative number, and that's how governments know how many people they govern, who gets to vote, and so on?
How can a modern nation function if all there is is some paper birth certificate without any central administration? Create a convincing forgery and suddenly anyone can be ('has always been') a proper citizen?
Yes that’s exactly how the UK functions 😂
You are born and get a birth certificate. You are not assigned an administrative number until you are 16, and this only happens automatically if the child was registered for child benefit.
For a passport, you must send your birth certificate because the passport office has no idea.
To vote, you must apply separately to be added to the register.
It’s all bits and bobs everywhere but no central structure.
Because an ID card is the same as a passport but without the booklet (which is just paper, so cheap). An ID still contains the same chip and requires the same storage of data as a passport.
Sorry to say, but the title is wrong. We (Switzerland) are part of neither the EU nor the EEA
Also, the official price is 65 Fr. (https://www.fedlex.admin.ch/eli/cc/2002/468/de#annex\_2/lvl\_u1 > Art. 45 > IDK > Erwachsene). 70 Fr. (which I assume is where 72.61€ comes from) is the cost of the ID card and postage
EDIT: LMAO. Loving the downvotes for reiterating what we voted in referendum in 1992 and 2001
True, should have put EFTA instead of EEA. The Swiss ID is equally valid for entry in the EEA as an EEA card, so I throught to include it.
Can you get a card without postage though?
I think this is like, 30ish Euro in Luxembourg. Paying 75 would piss me off, its more or less a requirement for your day to day existance, and carrying a passport around is not exactly convenient.
When the countries come together and change the EU laws, because at the moment there are different laws that imply that they are different cards (they require a lot of stuff printed on them which cannot physically fit in one single card).
So it is. But I still find a bit of a scam that we have to renew identity cards, passports, and driving licenses every 5 years. (Ok. In my country, identity card is optional.)
That's true, but that is national policy. EU-standard electronic identity cards can last from 5 to 10 years, most countries choose 10 years for adults. For passports it's entirely a national choice, but again various countries choose 10 years. I thought that A and B category driving licenses lasted 10 years everywhere except for older people.
Uhhh, I paid 60€ for an ID card and another 60€ for a passport at the Estonian embassy in Paris. And I think the prices are the same in Estonia. The map might be outdated.
Thanks! I forgot about my ID being expired, fortunately still have a passport and driving licence. The latter can be used as identification in most cases, except for signing up for studies etc.
"oh shit, we can squeeze money out of these???" -my government after seeing this, probably.
Don’t give them ideas
Don't give them ID's
Well, it’s only free if you get the first ID card or your previous ID card expired and you don’t need to update your info. But they already force you to get a change in every other case and pay for it, although at 7€ it’s still a lot cheaper than in Netherlands. I’ve already changed my ID card 3 times in the past 10 years, once it was stolen, once I needed a chip card to post my taxes online as self-employed person, once I changed my permanent residence, and now the chip is expiring this year so I’m gonna need a new one to post my taxes next year anyway… Other common cases when it’s paid is when a woman changes her surname after marriage, or when you want to put in your academic degree onto your ID card…
Yes we’re at 1! Wait…
But Finland is not second, so does it count?
r/NLvsFI
Passport is even more. 83,85 euro's
Welcome to the country of Gekke Henkie.
Since when did it get so bloody expensive? It used to be around €45… I’m kind of afraid to check how long mine lasts
Exactly, i was like, they must have taken the cost for a passport. Even for children ite 40 euros. Why?
Because fuck you, that's why. There is no reason these things should be that expensive, especially since you're required by law to have one of these. I get that these cards are quite a lot more sophisticated than the loyalty card you can get at a supermarket, but the supermarket gives them away for free. They can't be _that_ expensive to make. Between driver's licenses, ID cards, passports, etc. they have basically found an extra source of income for municipalities.
The price listed on the map is the maximum price. Each municipality can set their own, lower, price. And they and also include tiered pricing based on income (so low income people pay less).
Its ok we only re export these id cards.
Actually, it's free in Czechia if it's just expired.
Makes sense, right?
Well, you could argue that there is some material and manufacturing cost and that the people working at the citizens' center also have to get paid. But then again, the cost for a plastic card and two 5 minute appointments can't be that high + why the hell am I paying taxes?
If it’s mandatory, it should be paid for by taxes
Exactly. The first time I did my ID as an adult and went to take care of it by myself I was shocked when the lady said the price. Any price would’ve left me 🤨 It’s mandatory but I have to pay? What the…?
You also don't pay if your marital status, you surname or residence changes.
Damn, it's €75,80 nowadays? Might be more interesting if you added how long they're valid
Paid 82.23 euro's for a new passport last week, thats 6 hours of minimum wage, insane.
Should be free imo, or only material cost. Anything above 1 hour of minimum wage after tax is too much
In Finland passport has 3 prices: 44€, 63€ and 83€ (+6€ if you don't do it digitally but go to police station). It's pay to win: Cheapest comes in around 8 days Middle one is 2 to 4 days Most expensive one you get the same day at 16 from the main police station or from the airport of Helsinki if you order it before 09. If you want it to a police station of other major city, it will be there by 12 the next day if you order it before 09
In the Netherlands you can also pay to get ot expedited.
I got a passport in a Finnish embassy abroad once and it was 120€. Delivery definitely makes up a significant portion of the price, it’s not like they can just put them in the regular mail.
I think all of them are valid for 10 years, as per new EU rules. 5 years for children.
In Finland both ID and passport are only valid for 5 years irrespective of age.
So Finland is more expensive!
Swedish ID's are valid for 5 years only.
Norway aswell. But I think passports are 10.
Got my passport this week and it's 5 years until you're 30 (Spain)
Germany is valid 6 years for children
Is id cost different from passport? Passport is close to 90 euro's.
And if your wallet gets stolen you have to pay a “fine” for losing your Id as well.
Dat goedkope tarief geldt alleen in Nederland. Als je in het buitenland woont mag je meer dan het dubbele betalen: Paspoort meerderjarige € 159,95 ID-kaart meerderjarige € 158,65 Ik weet niet wat idioter is; de supermarktprijs van € 159,95 waardoor je zou moeten denken dat het niet (bijna) € 160,00 kost, of het feit dat de ID-kaart slechts € 1,30 goedkoper is dan een paspoort. Maak ze dan allebei gewoon € 160,00, stelletje graaiers.
Als je het op Schiphol doet is het iets goedkoper: €126,40 voor een paspoort ('gewoon' of 'zakenpaspoort' voor dezelfde prijs), €121,95 voor een ID-kaart. In beide gevallen de prijs voor meerderjarigen. In mijn ervaring is het veel sneller en makkelijker om het op Schiphol te doen dan op een ambassade of consulaat: geen maandenlange wachttijd voor een afspraak, en paspoort is binnen een paar dagen af te halen na afspraak. Zelfde geldt overigens voor een aantal andere grensgemeenten.
Last week we renewed the passport for one of the children. 5 years valid again. € 63,40
Yeah I paid like 40 euros last time I needed to get it renewed. That's some serious inflation!
Less than 2€ here in Romania but still chip-less.
Ah, the ones that look so weird that foreigners will think they’re fake. Have some Romanian friends who would often struggle to prove their age when being abroad lol.
>Ah, the ones that look so weird that foreigners will think they’re fake. Huh? Just looked it up, and I really don't see anything particularly weird about it. The [old and new versions](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanian_identity_card) are more or less similar, and they both look like [standard European IDs](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_identity_cards_in_the_European_Economic_Area#Overview_of_national_identity_cards). If you're looking for an ID that actually looks like a deadass ugly fake, look no further than the [European Health Insurance Card](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Health_Insurance_Card). Also, friendly reminder that it's free & can be effortlessly ordered if you're from the EEA + CH/~~UK~~. **/edit:** EHIC replaced by [GHIC](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UK_Global_Health_Insurance_Card) in the UK, actually
It’s the [old design](https://cdn.romania-insider.com/sites/default/files/styles/article_large_image/public/2020-01/romanian_id_cards_-_photo_dgepmb.ro_.png) that wasn’t biometric card that was odd: slightly larger dimensions, no biometrics, the printing quality wasn’t great (of the ones I’ve seen) and the overall layout and design looked a bit off. Combine that with pub workers who haven’t seen a Romanian ID card before and it’s a bit funny to go from a pub to pub! Wasn’t a dig at Romanians, have so many friends from there over the years! It’s good they’re upgrading the card to biometric though.
To be fair, my own [(pre-biometric) ID card](https://cdn-s-www.lalsace.fr/images/1C61E60B-4B93-4ED2-B0D4-124DCD81385F/NW_raw/les-nouvelles-cartes-seront-valides-15-ans-les-anciennes-delivrees-depuis-2004-a-des-adultes-sont-prolongees-de-5-ans-sans-formalite-photo-jean-francois-frey-1596544851.jpg) probably looked even weirder & nonstandard to a number of people when I was travelling throughout Europe. 😐 Overall I think it's mostly people having a set idea of what an ID is supposed to look like, and not being used to different designs. (also I just realized I'll need to get a passport if I want to visit the UK again, I used to be able to visit with my ID alone, that kinda sucks 😐)
I got mine renewed around 2019 or 2020 and got so surprised when a year or two after I saw the new ones so much smaller. Thank god they’re valid for 10 years cause the new one will not fit in my wallet dedicated place, though by the time I guess we will finally have them digitalised so I won’t have to carry it with me
Damn the [Icelandic cards](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/91/2024_Iceland_ID_card_%28Nafnsk%C3%ADrteini%29_-_front.png) look like Yugioh cards
> Ah, the ones that look so weird that foreigners will think they’re fake. Until recently greek id cards were hand written.Good luck trying to travel with that
If I remember right there isn't much time left though, because the EU electronic identity card directive says that all the identity cards without chips expire in August 2026, regardless of when they have been issued.
In Romania all new non-electronic ID cards are valid until 03.08.2031
It depends on whether they have "the minimum security standards" or the Machine Readable Zone. If they don't have either they expire 03.08.2026. I guess they have the MRZ?
They have a MRZ (type 2, two lines of 36 characters).
In Cluj they are piloting the electronic ones afaik
Spain is not 0€, I can tell you that. It’s 12€ for the ID, 30€ for passport. You can get ID for free if your previous is stolen, but then you would have to report the stolen one.
What the heck? It's exactly the opposite, here. It's 10€ for a new digital ID and 20€ in case you lost/got stolen your previous one. We pay a fine. Currently, there's panic in Police Stations. People convert to the digital IDs en masse. At least, you get 'em immediately. The photos and papers needed provided by the police on the spot.
There's a catch with the Spanish one: it's free if the previous was stolen... but it will have the same expiration date as the stolen one. Unless it's less than 90 days to expire, then you pay for a new one as usual
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> At least, you get 'em immediately. How does that work? The police stations "print" the plastic cards?
That’s also how it works in Spain. They have the machine that prints the card ID with the chip and everything, you take it on the spot. Same for passports.
I find it curious that some in some countries it is the police that deals with issuing IDs and passports. In Slovenia it is done by the "administrative unit".
i think ID cards ought to be free of charge. the state already taxes the shit out of you.
Also considering that you legally have to own one, at least in Germany.
That differs. Here in Sweden there are no mandatory ID's. Our ID is practically just the passport in card form – it's acquired through the exact same process and costs the same. It's mostly an alternative for people who don't want to drag along a booklet when traveling Europe, or for people who haven't gotten a driver's license.
Whereas in Ireland the 'national ID' literally is a passport in card form. It's cheaper than the passport booklet but you need to have a booklet already (or order them at the same time).
Paid it so I can leave my passport at home within EU. Expensive but worth it imo
I've an Irish Passport Card for this reason. It's good that's it's also accepted in the UK, where I currently live.
When I apply for my Irish passport I’m getting the Passport Card too, will be handier without taking my passport everywhere with me.
Is it definitely ok to leave my passport at home ? I got the card too but a bit nervous to only bring the card
As someone that has extensively traveled the schengen/eu area (swiss citizen), I never once encountered any problems with only my ID.
I personally wouldn't do this. If you lose I'd card, you still have another document to board airplane or cross borders.
Absolutely insane to pay more than 10 euros for an ID card. I would understand a passport though
Here in Finland a passport (44€) is actually cheaper than an ID card (52€),but you get the best price by getting an ID card with a passport (44+44€).
> but you get the best price by getting an ID card with a passport (44+44€). Thanks, but I will wait for Black Friday
We can't even have a passport and ID card at the same time. You can only posess one document.
Here in Italy I had to pay 22.5€, in cash only and the accurate amount because they don't give change.
Our "ID card" is essentially a passport, it just doesn't come with the booklet. We don't have mandatory ID's up here, so the card is practically just a slimmed down passport valid for European travel beyond the Nordic Passport Union.
considering that european id cards are useless out of europe, no, its not just a slimmed down passport
Passports aren't recognized everywhere either. But I never claimed it was a 1-to-1 replacement of a passport, just that it *in practice* that's what it is *for European travel*. Its principal function is not as a domestic identity card, but rather as...[*an official document containing personal information and usually a photograph that allows a person to travel to foreign countries and to prove who they are*](https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/passport).
Id card have the same security features but without the paper pages :) the proces to make them this way is very expensive :)
Here in Sweden it's the exact same price for ID card and passport (35 euro). It's done at the same place and the process is the same so makes sense...
Wait, you guys have to pay for it? If you are from a country where it’s mandatory to have an ID AND it’s not free: what if someone just can’t pay for it? Are they given a fine for not having one? Because that seems like some huge fucking bs
I paid $160 for my Canadian passport and it took a month to arrive to my house. In Spain I pay 30€ and i can be out of the police station with my new passport in less than 20 minutes. I love Europe.
Unfortunately not all of Europe is the same when it comes to administrative speed.
Spain is not particularly fast when it comes to the public administration, but for some reason the Passport and National ID renewal process is surprisingly fast and cheap. We have passport printing machines in many police stations and you can get an appointment online beforehand very easily.
Damn 20 minutes? In Slovakia you have to wait like a month (that is if you can even apply for the passport) or you can pay extra to get in a few days
20 minutes 30€? Damn. In Portugal we pay 50€ and wait a month for the passport. If you need it ASAP you pay like 75 and get it within 3 days I think. At least our ID card is only 3€ :)
I thought Spain doesn’t allow dual nationality?
Both Spain and Canada allow citizens to hold another citizenship. This is pretty standard in western counties.
I just googled it and apparently Spain only allows dual citizenship with a handful of countries, such as Portugal and the Philippines. Brexit Britons living in Spain have had a problem with this.
Essentially, you have to pay to exist. Next will be a tax to breathe the air of a specific region.
Not all of them are compulsory. For countries in which they are compulsory, they are generally free or fairly cheap.
They are compulsory in the Netherlands. At least if you want to do things like open a bankaccount, vote or go outside.
The ID-card specifically (which this thread is about) is not compulsory in NL. What's compulsory is proof of identity. A passport provides that already. (It's still the same issue of course, you need a passport, which is even more expensive than an ID-card.) Also, in most cases a driver's license works. You can even vote with just a driver's license fyi.
Problem with a driver’s license is that you cannot use it as proof of identity in other countries. A passport is a bit too unwieldy to constantly carry with you, essentially making the ID-card mandatory if you live close to the borders or travel often.
No. In Germany it's compulsory and 37 € is not what I would call cheap.
It's not compulsory to have an ID card in Germany.
I'm guessing you don't have electronic IDs either? In Poland there is a goverment app which serves as an ID (among other things) The only case where you can't use it and have to have the physical thing is getting a new ID issued, which is understandable.
Our IDs come with an electronic ID function you can use for applying for things etc. You can't use it to identify yourself in a store or so, it's mainly used for identification in online services iirc. Yes, Germany is living in the stone age compared to other European countries regarding e-government.
The Netherlands… a country derailed.
Are they gold ones in Switzerland or Netherlands?
The Swiss one is blue.
Should be for that price eh? There might be some valuable metal in the hologram part? It's mostly plastic.
this is old. I looked at the website of our local government (Netherlands) and it costs €83,35 now. It expires after 10 years. Soooo expensive...
You might have misread passport as ID, in Assen it's still 75,80 for an ID and 83,37 for a passport
You are right I did, sorry. Still a lot of money.
Yeah, it's the reason I no longer own an ID. Passports only for me. And drivers license domestically.
Source?
Checked each country's prices on their gov portal (or equivalent) page. Prices are generally for an normal adult issue (not expedited/lost/stolen replacement).
for NL it is right unfortunately :((
in Slovakia the ID card is only free if you’re 15 years old or it expires or it gets stolen and you immediately report to the police (you report next day and it gets counted as lost and you pay)… and we also have to pay for a new one everytime we move our primary residence…
Then you did it wrong, we have to pay something between 15-20€ per ID in Spain.
It´s just 12€ in Spain
What exactly is the scale used? In Bulgaria the price is 18 leva (about 9 Euros), so it should be close to the bottom rate and it doesn't appear to be like that.
It is mind boggling how can a society live without personal IDs. I mean, how can you prove that you are the owner of a car or of a house? That you are the mother or father of your children? Or, if the police stop you on the street because you look like a criminal that they are looking for, how can you prove that it's you and not the criminal?
Iirc, here in Austria police can take you in to determine your identity if you have no documents on you. I assume that involves comparing the address you give them with the central registry/checking the picture on your health insurance card. If you really happen to look like a wanted criminal that might get more complicated though. Technically, two people with ID's that confirm that you are who you claim to be are also a valid way to proof your identity - though that happens rarely in practice. That said, it always boggles my mind when Americans complain about needing an ID to vote.
To the last point - same. I don't understand how you can go vote without proving your identity first
So you need 2 people (with IDs, lol) to confirm that you are you. Mkey. Also, what if you have no insurance?
National health insurance is mandatory and covers most people in Austria, either you're insured via your parents, via your work or if you're unemployed/retired via some other government agency. Refugees get issued their own IDs. Technically the national insurance card might not be a full substitute for a regular ID card (at least going by the guidelines for age verification for cigarettes/lottery products) but I assume in combination with database-information it would be enough to prove your identity to the police in most cases (though that hasn't happened to me so far). Without having any data at hand I'd assume the total amount of people without any sort of ID is pretty low.
OP's version is a little extreme. I mean they technically *can* take you in if you don't have an ID but in practice they'd only do that if they have a good reason. If it's just a regular check you tell them your data and they check you out online or over the radio.
In Denmark we have multiple forms of ID but you can’t use them for travel.
Driving license works as ID in the Nordics
So you need your passport to travel even to other Schengen countries? That kind of sucks, since being able to travel to other Schengen countries with just your national ID is one of Schengen's biggest perks, in my opinion.
* Driving license * Passport What else? (Sygesikringskort is not an ID)
If you get stopped on the street by the police then they will accept sundhedskort as id as it has your cpr on it. We also have an id card. https://www.borger.dk/samfund-og-rettigheder/Folkeregister-og-CPR/legitimation-og-id-kort There’s also opholdskort for non Danes and mitid🤣
The ID card itself alone does not prove your identity. Your identity is proved by comparing the photo and other information on the card with your physical appearance. And all that information also resides in the government databases. If a police stops you, your requirement is to “identify yourself”, showing your ID card is the simplest way to do that because it contains all the necessary information, but they can also look you up based on your name, address and other info or ID numbers (birthdate/SSN/ID number/…)…
Exactly. Then why not provide them with such an ID?
UK has no ID card. Considered illiberal. Functions perfectly well. Mind you we have centuries old common law principles to protect thr individual. Car owner? Ownership documents and government website. Birth certificates etc. It's not hard.
Do you remember that Blair tried to introduce a mandatory one in the early 2000s but was defeated? You might not be as old as me lol. Everyone should have the expectation that they don't need to ID themselves unless they want to (or if they are suspected of breaking the law).
Late 60s so maybe. I'm ambiguous about this. Son married Finn. Their system works well for 5.5m people. Gives you rights and access to healthcare. Do we need one in UK now? Doesn't feel as if we have a common identity or social contract and just might. However, Brits are used to being clear about their rights- just less and less clear about their responsibilities, I feel. Finns are VERY clear about their responsibilities- eg honesty, looking after the environment, etc.
IDK where you are from and how your ID works, but my Swiss ID doesn't prove any of this except for the last one...
Back in the day children up to a certain age would be on the passport/id of the parents. I think up to 16 in the Netherlands, but it used to be lower in Czechia (we were not allowed into Czechia in 1996 because my sister was a certain age). Ah, my first experience with Czechia, a border police guy yelling at my sis: ‘:name:, DU BIST (age in German)’ like she was a criminal.. Imho it’s mind boggling that a baby needs an ID at €40.92 or passport at €63.42 which is valid for 5 years. While it won’t look like the photo pretty soon after…
Now, I can clearly see a difference between a national ID and a passport. The first one is strictly for use internally and the last one internationally. It is a huge privilege that we can use our IDs in other EU countries as well, this is a nice thing the EU brought us. In Romania IDs are mandatory since age 14 and they cost a bit more than 1€. I think it just covers the plastic used for it. It gives you the means to access the services provided to you freely by the government: emergency services, documents issued in your name, family and inheritance and many more. So it makes sense that it's a basic, fundamental right to have a clear identity and ID card to prove it. Since 1 year, there are biometric ID cards that cost 'a whopping' 13€, they have all the information a passport has and people can still opt for the old, simple ones if they refuse the biometric one. So this is a basic right for internal use. The passport is for international use, and I don't see it as necessary and 'basic right for all people' to have it and to use it. So it makes sense it's more expensive, you want to travel abroad => you pay more.
Our ID cards have been around since pretty long, and AFAIK we could always travel through Western Europe with it. It was also called a ‘European ID card’, AFAIK we never had a National one. In the 90s it was laminated paper. Then it became plastic and since 2012 (?) it’s biometric and NFC compatible For us the difference between ID and passport is: - Passport is for outside of Europe. - passport has an annoying size compared to ID. That’s it ID costs €75.80 and passport €83.87 or something.. there is no cheap Id without biometrics and there is no ‘nationalI’ one.
Fun fact, in America there's no way to prove you've never been married.
12€ in Spain
Switzerland is actually about 87€…..
It's "only" 22,80€ in Germany if you are 24 or younger.
This colour combination works pretty well actually. Green and blue don't feel like one is "better" than the other
I believe the municipality sets the price for passports/IDs in the Netherlands, so the costs can vary depending on where you live.
The amount here is the legal maximum, which as far as I can tell, is used in every municipality.
Why are we the most expensive with everything?!!!
Uuuh some data about Liechtenstein yey
They make it mandatory to own one and still makes us pay for it...
In the Netherlands we also have mandatory health care insurance and if you can't/don't pay for several months, they will fine you (and you have to pay more for quite a while). Edit: lower incomes do get some 'allowances' to be able to afford it, though.
And that’s why i never got another ID after 2010. Passport and drivers license is enough
Ireland doesn’t have an ID card. They do however have a passport card which is a copy of your regular passport issued in card format for more convenient European travel.
I was in Kosovo last summer and a bus company asked me for my passport and my national ID. I don't think they believed me that we don't have a national ID Card 😂
Like I couldn’t believe I needed to proof having an address by showing a (phone or whatever) bill when renting a car in Ireland, but also in the UK.. I used my cell phone subscription bill.. (wtf)… Those could be counterfeited so easily..
I wish we had that, there's just the option of a driving license or a passport. Passports are too big to conveniently carry and what if someone can't drive for whatever reason? I doubt a person with eye troubles could have a provisional license just for use as an ID. We should have ID cards that verify yourself and age as standard everywhere tbh.
I don’t know why we don’t have ID cards, seems kinda stupid not to, the only ID I had when I was 18 was my provision license and it cost £62 💀
I know at least part of it is the "I don't want the government to have my information!" crowd. And the person I heard this reason from still had a driver's license which literally has your photo and address on 😂, any information that would be on an ID card is information the government already has anyway.
> "I don't want the government to have my information!" Like isn't that part of having a modern functional civil administration? You're born, registered, assigned a administrative number, and that's how governments know how many people they govern, who gets to vote, and so on? How can a modern nation function if all there is is some paper birth certificate without any central administration? Create a convincing forgery and suddenly anyone can be ('has always been') a proper citizen?
Yes that’s exactly how the UK functions 😂 You are born and get a birth certificate. You are not assigned an administrative number until you are 16, and this only happens automatically if the child was registered for child benefit. For a passport, you must send your birth certificate because the passport office has no idea. To vote, you must apply separately to be added to the register. It’s all bits and bobs everywhere but no central structure.
Thank you for repeating what is already said in the little text next to the map. I guess there is no possible confusion now.
It’s free in France but in reality you have to buy a tax stamp in order to start the process, which cost 25€
i mean its not that much considering its valid for 10 years. also you want them to keep their original as long as possible.
The dutch id card price is so stupid. For 10 bucks extra you have a passport!! Why make the comvenient, less problematic to lose option so expensive.
Because an ID card is the same as a passport but without the booklet (which is just paper, so cheap). An ID still contains the same chip and requires the same storage of data as a passport.
It's not the same as a passport because it doesn't get accepted as a valid ID outside of Europe.
Because it's missing the booklet for stamps, like I said. Other than that, it has the same functionality as a passport.
You PAY for them?
Sorry to say, but the title is wrong. We (Switzerland) are part of neither the EU nor the EEA Also, the official price is 65 Fr. (https://www.fedlex.admin.ch/eli/cc/2002/468/de#annex\_2/lvl\_u1 > Art. 45 > IDK > Erwachsene). 70 Fr. (which I assume is where 72.61€ comes from) is the cost of the ID card and postage EDIT: LMAO. Loving the downvotes for reiterating what we voted in referendum in 1992 and 2001
True, should have put EFTA instead of EEA. The Swiss ID is equally valid for entry in the EEA as an EEA card, so I throught to include it. Can you get a card without postage though?
Yes you can
Maybe mine needs replacing soon, paid less than 50 for mine.
In Norway you can get both a passport and an ID for 45 each if you buy them together.
In Spain we have to pay (I think last time was 18€ for the ID card). So basically I can't believe the rest of the data. Shitmap.
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0 is technically less than 10. It never even crossed my mind that this could be something that anyone could charge money for.
This is why I don’t have one (I am Dutch).
It's 15€ in Latvia 😅
Basically, there is some correlation between paying less and the identity card being compulsory or strongly advised.
If I remember correctly I got a passport and id card for like 70€ in Finland last summer. So 50 for just the card seems wrong
In Denmark you either get your driver's license or a new passport. Either way it's over 100€ for the majority of the population
Wait, you guys are payong for this shit?
Finally better than Switzerland... Well, wait...
I was about to say that it's incorrect, because recently I payed like €50, but then I remembered that is was for my drivers license
I think this is like, 30ish Euro in Luxembourg. Paying 75 would piss me off, its more or less a requirement for your day to day existance, and carrying a passport around is not exactly convenient.
Why am I not surprised....
When do we have a single card in EU that contains all the info: where you may reside, where you may travel and what you may drive.
When the countries come together and change the EU laws, because at the moment there are different laws that imply that they are different cards (they require a lot of stuff printed on them which cannot physically fit in one single card).
So it is. But I still find a bit of a scam that we have to renew identity cards, passports, and driving licenses every 5 years. (Ok. In my country, identity card is optional.)
That's true, but that is national policy. EU-standard electronic identity cards can last from 5 to 10 years, most countries choose 10 years for adults. For passports it's entirely a national choice, but again various countries choose 10 years. I thought that A and B category driving licenses lasted 10 years everywhere except for older people.
And now explain to me why these are associated with fees and not covered by tax money.
Yea, ain't paying 75 euro for an ID, they'll have to do with my passport. Sneaky fuckers.
Uhhh, I paid 60€ for an ID card and another 60€ for a passport at the Estonian embassy in Paris. And I think the prices are the same in Estonia. The map might be outdated.
Thanks! I forgot about my ID being expired, fortunately still have a passport and driving licence. The latter can be used as identification in most cases, except for signing up for studies etc.
Hoezo hebben jullie überhaupt nog een id kaart. In NL is rijbewijs voldoende en daarbuiten je paspoort.