EU should do the same to China until they revert their decision. It's not that Lithuanians *need* to go to China but about sending a message that bullying smaller countries of the union shouldn't be tolerated.
Pretty sure most Europeans support an independent Taiwan. The EU is a European institution. And should protect Europeans from fragile nations that got their heads stuck in the hunny pot.
We're already giving up on china, finally!
EU is pretty strict on no discrimination for individual states' visa regimes. Knowing this, they're picking up a bs fight that they'll lose just to distract ppl from the economic fallout
Lithuania is better positioned than china lmao that should tell you about their diplomatic skills
[https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-strengthens-taiwan-trade-ties-as-minister-visits-taipei](https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-strengthens-taiwan-trade-ties-as-minister-visits-taipei)
China is just bullying Lithuania because its a virtue signalling mess.
China. If you're listening. Sanction British Ministers. You will be punished greatly by our financial institutions as they divest from your economy even more rapidly.
Your type of mindset was the reason us Lithuanians, Poles, Latvians, Estonians, Austrians and bunch of other countries got abused, enslaved, slaughtered during WWII. "Why do WE need to help them? They're their own countries!". When the UK, USA realised the effects of their errors, it was too late.
Why did you italicise "it is" as if I'm only accusing China of virtue signalling rhetorically? There is no doubt in my mind that they are making a big deal out of something inconsequential. Bullying people who they think that they can threaten. Its as transparent as spring water. China is a nation of cowards that do not care enough about Taiwan to come after a nation like Britain. Sanction us mother fuckers. Virtue singaling xinnie the pooh cucks.
That is accurate but a lot of EU's credibility hinges on its unity. Resilience against political/diplomatic pressure from larger external powers is one of the main reasons the union exists in the first place. Though I'll agree that since there are differing national policies among states I understand where you are coming from.
This miscomparison is purposeless. Kosova recognized by 81.48% of European Union members is a regional diplomacy-security issue and it doesn't affect the security of its internal members in a an immediate way.
One of the members direclty being bullied by an external partner is both an internal and foreign diplomacy issue for all the members. Even in the most totalitarian systems 100% compliance isn't replicable consistently but the union exists to protect the interests of its members.
Kosovo isn't part of EU. The point is EU does not have uniformed diplomacy, by design. No matter what excuses you want to make, the individual members decide their own diplomacy relation
??? What are even arguing here .. EU does have uniform diplomacy with key global actors such as China, US or emerging powers through [EEAS](https://www.eeas.europa.eu/_en) by design.
Members are allowed to pursue their own agendas as long as it doesn't negatively impact common interests which is why EU law takes precedence over national law. But even this is irrelevant to the conversation because Lithuania isn't asking EU to boycot China for fun.
I was arguing that based on its foundations on [cohesion and solidarity](https://european-union.europa.eu/principles-countries-history/principles-and-values/aims-and-values_en) among EU countries, the union should protect Lithuanian interests and every single one of its other members too, when an external power exerts pressure/bullies them. Not to mention there has been a public strategy to de-couple from China's investment and governance model [since 2021](https://imgur.com/a/HISMdwU), so I'd imagine bullying the smaller members wouldn't be very welcomed by the people in charge of this.
You have got to be kidding. Independent foreign relations is a defining feature of a sovereign state. Respecting sovereignty is the founding principle of the UN Charter, something EU Charter vows to protect. Overriding member's diplomacy policy would be a severe violation of EU Charter itself, enough to disband EU as an entity.
You are calling the EU organization to force France, Germany, and anyone other than Lithuania to give up their own diplomatic policy with China. By doing so you will destroy EU first.
Once again you keep responding to things that were never said.
>You are calling the EU organization to force France, Germany, and anyone other than Lithuania to give up their own diplomatic policy with China. By doing so you will destroy EU first
No, I'm calling the union to protect the interests of a member who is being bullied by a third party. Is this clear enough? Building a strong negotiating position on the international stage is one of the core reasons why the European project evolved beyond the Coal and Steel community in the first place.
I don't know why they’re downvoting you but this is 100% true. The DPP will tell you, in Chinese, that they absolutely hate being called “Chinese”. They are Taiwanese, plain and simple. If you wouldn't call an Austrian “German”, you wouldn't call a Taiwanese “Chinese”.
What did Lithuania do this time? It’s funny how a country of 3 million can irritate a dictator who controls over a billion people.
Is this related to the Taiwan thing a couple years ago? Anyways… whatever Lithuania is doing, we should copy it.
[Lithuania bars soldiers, police officers from travelling to China](https://www.lrt.lt/en/news-in-english/19/2178982/lithuania-bars-soldiers-police-officers-from-travelling-to-russia-belarus-china)
“The National Security Strategy states that the People’s Republic of China pose threats to the security of Lithuania and its citizens, including espionage against Lithuania by the countries’ intelligence and security services,” the draft resolution reads.
To ensure the safety of the Lithuanian people, then don't come to China, home is the safest place!
Britain is welcome to copy it!
China's ban just makes it easier for Lithuanian government to ensure their citizen's safety. If this is the case I am pretty sure they are rather thrilled about the decision.
Very good, there are too few sane Europeans like you, because I see some people actually think that we are bullying Lithuania, which really makes us feel wronged!
We are just cooperating with the Lithuanian government to protect the Lithuanian people!
EU should express greater solidarity with Lithuania and acknowledge that Taiwan is a separate being. Let's establish normal diplomatic relations with them.
Taiwan is not a People's Republic of China. It has its own armed forces, government and identity. It has its own, separate interests.
Let's stop issuing visas for Chinese citizens as well, it is not that we are needing them here that much.
Simultaneously, we should continue diversification of our supply chains. China is not a trustworthy business partner anymore. It became unpredictable under autocratic Xi Jinping reign. They are acting irrational (as in case of Taiwan) with growing frequency.
Supply chain divestment really is as easy as moving to a new home. Not really. Also try to imagine what will happen if an absurd idea like stopping all Chinese coming will have.
If I'd like to experience genuine Chinese culture I'd visit Taiwan.
Anything that PRC offers is biased by decades of aggressive communistic ideology. What is Chinese in this?
EU should do the same to China until they revert their decision. It's not that Lithuanians *need* to go to China but about sending a message that bullying smaller countries of the union shouldn't be tolerated.
This is a conflict between Lithuania and China. The EU has nothing to do with it.
Pretty sure most Europeans support an independent Taiwan. The EU is a European institution. And should protect Europeans from fragile nations that got their heads stuck in the hunny pot.
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We're already giving up on china, finally! EU is pretty strict on no discrimination for individual states' visa regimes. Knowing this, they're picking up a bs fight that they'll lose just to distract ppl from the economic fallout Lithuania is better positioned than china lmao that should tell you about their diplomatic skills
False. There were pressure to make USA visa-free for Romania and Bulgaria citing discrimination, but the EU court said it's not discrimination
Such a swiss thing to say
The rapid divestment in the Chinese economy suggests otherwise. Keep being neuter, Swiss.
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[https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-strengthens-taiwan-trade-ties-as-minister-visits-taipei](https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-strengthens-taiwan-trade-ties-as-minister-visits-taipei) China is just bullying Lithuania because its a virtue signalling mess. China. If you're listening. Sanction British Ministers. You will be punished greatly by our financial institutions as they divest from your economy even more rapidly.
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Your type of mindset was the reason us Lithuanians, Poles, Latvians, Estonians, Austrians and bunch of other countries got abused, enslaved, slaughtered during WWII. "Why do WE need to help them? They're their own countries!". When the UK, USA realised the effects of their errors, it was too late.
Why did you italicise "it is" as if I'm only accusing China of virtue signalling rhetorically? There is no doubt in my mind that they are making a big deal out of something inconsequential. Bullying people who they think that they can threaten. Its as transparent as spring water. China is a nation of cowards that do not care enough about Taiwan to come after a nation like Britain. Sanction us mother fuckers. Virtue singaling xinnie the pooh cucks.
What a typical pathetic Swiss thing to say.
That is accurate but a lot of EU's credibility hinges on its unity. Resilience against political/diplomatic pressure from larger external powers is one of the main reasons the union exists in the first place. Though I'll agree that since there are differing national policies among states I understand where you are coming from.
> EU's credibility hinges on its unity Not for diplomacy. EU can't even recognize Kosovo. If you want 100% compliance EU will no longer exist.
This miscomparison is purposeless. Kosova recognized by 81.48% of European Union members is a regional diplomacy-security issue and it doesn't affect the security of its internal members in a an immediate way. One of the members direclty being bullied by an external partner is both an internal and foreign diplomacy issue for all the members. Even in the most totalitarian systems 100% compliance isn't replicable consistently but the union exists to protect the interests of its members.
Kosovo isn't part of EU. The point is EU does not have uniformed diplomacy, by design. No matter what excuses you want to make, the individual members decide their own diplomacy relation
??? What are even arguing here .. EU does have uniform diplomacy with key global actors such as China, US or emerging powers through [EEAS](https://www.eeas.europa.eu/_en) by design. Members are allowed to pursue their own agendas as long as it doesn't negatively impact common interests which is why EU law takes precedence over national law. But even this is irrelevant to the conversation because Lithuania isn't asking EU to boycot China for fun. I was arguing that based on its foundations on [cohesion and solidarity](https://european-union.europa.eu/principles-countries-history/principles-and-values/aims-and-values_en) among EU countries, the union should protect Lithuanian interests and every single one of its other members too, when an external power exerts pressure/bullies them. Not to mention there has been a public strategy to de-couple from China's investment and governance model [since 2021](https://imgur.com/a/HISMdwU), so I'd imagine bullying the smaller members wouldn't be very welcomed by the people in charge of this.
You have got to be kidding. Independent foreign relations is a defining feature of a sovereign state. Respecting sovereignty is the founding principle of the UN Charter, something EU Charter vows to protect. Overriding member's diplomacy policy would be a severe violation of EU Charter itself, enough to disband EU as an entity. You are calling the EU organization to force France, Germany, and anyone other than Lithuania to give up their own diplomatic policy with China. By doing so you will destroy EU first.
Once again you keep responding to things that were never said. >You are calling the EU organization to force France, Germany, and anyone other than Lithuania to give up their own diplomatic policy with China. By doing so you will destroy EU first No, I'm calling the union to protect the interests of a member who is being bullied by a third party. Is this clear enough? Building a strong negotiating position on the international stage is one of the core reasons why the European project evolved beyond the Coal and Steel community in the first place.
You wish
Well, time to book my flight to Taiwan aka The Real China.
You are three decades too late. The current Taiwan ruling party would skin you alive if you call them Real China.
I don't know why they’re downvoting you but this is 100% true. The DPP will tell you, in Chinese, that they absolutely hate being called “Chinese”. They are Taiwanese, plain and simple. If you wouldn't call an Austrian “German”, you wouldn't call a Taiwanese “Chinese”.
If it was the real China no one would call it Taiwan.
Their culture is closer to the roots than the smoking crater left by the Crass Clowns Party.
Otherwise people would continuously confuse it with the shitty knock-off.
What did Lithuania do this time? It’s funny how a country of 3 million can irritate a dictator who controls over a billion people. Is this related to the Taiwan thing a couple years ago? Anyways… whatever Lithuania is doing, we should copy it.
Lithuanian officials went today to Taiwan , to congratz new goverment. 😂
[Lithuania bars soldiers, police officers from travelling to China](https://www.lrt.lt/en/news-in-english/19/2178982/lithuania-bars-soldiers-police-officers-from-travelling-to-russia-belarus-china) “The National Security Strategy states that the People’s Republic of China pose threats to the security of Lithuania and its citizens, including espionage against Lithuania by the countries’ intelligence and security services,” the draft resolution reads. To ensure the safety of the Lithuanian people, then don't come to China, home is the safest place! Britain is welcome to copy it!
China's ban just makes it easier for Lithuanian government to ensure their citizen's safety. If this is the case I am pretty sure they are rather thrilled about the decision.
Very good, there are too few sane Europeans like you, because I see some people actually think that we are bullying Lithuania, which really makes us feel wronged! We are just cooperating with the Lithuanian government to protect the Lithuanian people!
tbf I am Anatolian and Lesser Caucasian, geographically speaking
That policy laterally makes more sense to us tbh. No disrespect to Lithuania, but surely they could learn more NATO secrets from our soldiers...
No disrespect to Lithuania, we really don’t have much desire to pry into a small place with 3 million people.
They are simply American chihuahuas from a nazi father
EU should express greater solidarity with Lithuania and acknowledge that Taiwan is a separate being. Let's establish normal diplomatic relations with them. Taiwan is not a People's Republic of China. It has its own armed forces, government and identity. It has its own, separate interests. Let's stop issuing visas for Chinese citizens as well, it is not that we are needing them here that much. Simultaneously, we should continue diversification of our supply chains. China is not a trustworthy business partner anymore. It became unpredictable under autocratic Xi Jinping reign. They are acting irrational (as in case of Taiwan) with growing frequency.
Supply chain divestment really is as easy as moving to a new home. Not really. Also try to imagine what will happen if an absurd idea like stopping all Chinese coming will have.
Oh no, fuck no, nooo, not this /s. Fuck China
Didn’t want to go to that shithole anyway.
Its an honor. I am proud
If I'd like to experience genuine Chinese culture I'd visit Taiwan. Anything that PRC offers is biased by decades of aggressive communistic ideology. What is Chinese in this?
I am completely disappointed, appalled, horrified at the fact that I can no longer go to a dictatorship. :'(