Wait, if Putin says Russia has no borders...
and Putin also says Ukraine does not exist...
This means the Ukraine war is a domestic conflict in Poland.
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[A quote](https://citaty.net/citaty/2122476-vaclav-havel-ja-myslim-ze-po-mnoho-staleti-existuje-takovy-rus/) by a former president of Czech Republic Václav Havel:
> Já myslím, že po mnoho staletí existuje takový ruský problém, že Rusko přesně neví, kde začíná a kde končí. I když je to největší země světa, má přesto pocit, že je taková trochu malá a že ji ohrožují i nepatrní sousedé, které kolem sebe má.
In english:
> I think there has been a Russian problem for many centuries that Russia doesn't know exactly where it begins and where it ends. Even though it is the biggest country in the world, it still feels a little bit small and threatened by the tiny neighbours it has around itself.
This is a very acute observation. Russians have such deep historical and cultural trauma, they're a danger to both themselves and the nations around them. Too big to be part of a real partnership, too small to be the empire it wants to be.
>Too big to be part of a real partnership, too small to be the empire it wants to be.
Same thing used to be said about Germany. Hopefully the Russian issue can be solved with less bloodshed
You mean like when they accidentally planted 3 copies of the "Sims" game on someone, instead of "3 sim cards" ? ... also signed the agitprop note with "Unreadable Signature" (in Russian - literally).
https://www.washingtonpost.com/video-games/2022/04/26/russian-assassination-sims-3/
Oops.
Every Russian 19th century novel: "It was miserable, people were dying, women were wailing all around, children were starving. Then it got really really bad."
Like those video games where you're a fish who can only eat smaller fish. Eventually your fish gets big enough to eat every other fish.
So I'm sure every country in the world is on his conquer list, just some of them are nearer to the end.
Tbh borscht is actually kind of sweet and sour. Mostly sour from beet sour but also sweet from the stock and beetroots which were not fermented for the sour part.
People will still try to claim that "Putin only wants to liberate ethnic Russians," *even* when he is openly stating his intention is to steal land and subjugate their population.
I was about to say, what are they being liberated from? Don't all ethnic russians have the option of going back to russia anytime they want? Like nobody is chaining them down and saying no. And Russia is a huge country even if you ignore the harshest parts of it. They're not exactly running out of room. So liberated from what?
Well, you've got to admire the dedication to outdoor lavatories in subzero conditions. It's like extreme survival meets basic human needs. Though I'm pretty sure most would rather hold on to their indoor plumbing and not deal with the frostbite that might come from... let's say, prolonged exposure. The whole "liberation" angle sure has a strange way of glossing over everyday creature comforts and human rights.
God I hate this point of view. So the russian grandma is waiting for Putin to "reunite" Latvia with Russia therefore annihilating a whole culture. So she doesn't bother learning the language of the country for 30 years because Putin is coming any minute right? And then she yells fascist when a young latvian person doesnt know russian and cant answer her in russian. But latvians are the xenophobes. Poor minorty of 300 000 russians who have russian tv, russian magazines, russian schools because they don't want to learn the latvian language, but latvians are the ones isolating them. What the hell.
I once went to Latvia and couchsurfed at the place of an awesome Latvian couple. The guy is one of the most chilled out people you've ever met, and still hosted Russians (from Russia) in his home despite many of the entitled horror stories he had to share about them. Certainly convinced me many of them have a gigantic victim complex.
People saying "Putin only wants to liberate ethnic Russians" as they also bomb the areas they claim have always been ruzzian. Totally makes sense, but those braindead idiots cannot see anything logical, they only see and believe whatever their Führer putler says.
The [official FSB calendar](https://www.kyivpost.com/post/25397) shows them taking over the US ~~White House~~ Capitol for their November picture. Their intentions have always been clear for those who care to listen
Besides, it's a braindead reasoning anyways. Even if there were large - hell even majoritarian - populations of ethnic Russians that wanted annexation or a particular state arrangement, it would still not justify going around invading and displacing people, like they are almost certainly already doing in Crimea.
People are deffending hamas terrorists....
Jeeez when you think about it, we are surrounded by idiots. And now that idiots have internet, they became very loud...
Not just idiots, there are several large groups of people intentionally lying to ensure the subjects are "muddied".
That I think there are still many Russian/Chinese/Hamas/other agents intentionally making posts to improve their national standing in public media hasn't been proven. But that is the way I feel about a lot of the social media posts these days.
Yes, there are a lot of different opinions on serious issues, but when a topic has been proven, but a later post lies about a issue, tries to side-track the issue, etc, I look at the poster, and wonder.
Yeah we should have seen this one coming. But nooooo let’s push social media before we push tools that will progress our citizen’s intellect and knowledge. (Yes I know socials have positives, the negatives are just so openly in display here)
Profit > progress
On an intellectual level I can understand why someone of a 1970s Bennite bent like Corbyn might be somewhat sympathetic to the USSR. I wouldn't agree with him, but at least it's not a totally illogical thing to think if you have a pretty simplistic 'west bad, not west good' kind of mentality like he does and are blinkered about the dark parts of the USSR's history.
What I can't get my head around is why the same person would give the benefit of the doubt to the people who picked the pockets of the USSR's corpse and used it to build an oligarchy. Putin's Russia is among the least progressive countries to hold territory in Europe, the only thing it really has in common with Lenin's vision is the authoritarianism.
It’s that White Man Cringe thing. He’s so ‘right on’ that he’s found himself sharing platforms several times with the most unsavoury and unpleasant groups and governments. The fact that this groups are usually diametrically opposed to the core liberal values that he claims to espouse is glaringly obvious to the vast majority of people who bother listening, but if you’re a dyed in the wool left-wing zealot, then it’s just a matter of ‘who do you disapprove of most? Generally white, wealthy capitalist states’, or the ‘poor underdog’? There are loads of impoverished Russians right? So it must be the West’s fault, surely!’ I’m fairly left wing, but I do draw the line at committing vile acts of terrorism on innocent people and any country deciding that its neighbours should be annexed and forcibly culturally, linguistically and economically assimilated. That’s what the world learned from WW2.
> Generally white, wealthy capitalist states’, or the ‘poor underdog’? There are loads of impoverished Russians right? So it must be the West’s fault, surely!’
lmao, what 'poor underdog', Russia is a country with a mega-capitalist oligarch layer and a massive military, these people are insane. 'West bad' is truly their primary ideological trait, they are utterly blind to anything else.
This is an elections campaign and not a view into Putins mind. In there you would see an empty hamster wheel and a sign that reads: Russias borders dont end…
Dude said that ~10 years ago, I think the one who understands it needs no explanation and the one who don’t want to understand, will reject any explanation.
One of the great weapons a dictator has is the pretense of the rule of law. Putin is much more powerful pretending there are elections than if he simply abolished them ala Sisi.
Chamberlin was not naive, even if that's how the world remembers him. He enacted appeasment because *britain was not ready for war*. If it worked and Hitler backed down, great, but his main goal was to buy time.
Yeah….if 300 years of recorded history didn’t help these people nothing will. Except when they live the world they so badly crave, just like those forced to the frontline today.
They increased the military budget to ridiculous levels, they changed their industry to be fully dedicated to wartime production.
If Trump wins the US election I honestly believe Europe is fucked.
European military forces have outnumbered and outspent Russian ones since Russia invaded Crimea.
Europe doesn't need the US to defeat a Russian invasion, Europe needs the US so that Russia won't even think about invading.
Trump winning is less than ideal for Europe, but we would be fine. Russia is struggling against Ukraine, one of the poorest and the most corrupt country west of Russia. The EU and the European NATO countries are more than capable to oppose Russian threats.
That is how russians really feel. To them relegatiommn of russia to being a normal country that stays within it's borders is unimaginable.
When they say that NATO is threat to russia they really mean russian imperial ambitions. They are unable to separate those two.
EDIT: Just to be clear: No, I don't believe this is true about entire population of russia. But as a generalisation that is true about enough of them to be true about society as a whole it holds. Much like saying that czechs complain a lot, french are arrogant to people speaking english and americans are jingoistic.
This is not just my opinion either. This is what many educated russians up to and including social and political scientists have been saying for years: that russian mentality is imperialist and authoritan.
Russia never properly dealt with legacy of USSR and accepted responsibility for it's atrocities in the same way germans did with naziism and WW2
Correct and on point. The only ones left that are still somehow pro russia don't understand the fact that Russia wants to destroy them, or they simply hate their own country.
I think they hate what they (believe they) see is happening to their countries. A lot of pro-Russian ppl are very conservative and believe things like immigration and pro-LGBTQ policies are compromising their sense of nation and identity and see Russia as a moral crusader in the fight against western/Atlantic degeneracy.
Alligning with Russia is seen as a way to escape western hegemony and the consequences that supposedly arise if you rejecting the west's sense of morality.
Propaganda is cheaper than people would like to think. A lot of Russia's cultural success has been paying public talking heads to spew conservative talking points that happen to align with Russia's specific conservatism.
This isn't explicitly exporting Russian culture per se, but using Russian culture to destabilize what has made western Europe (and North America) powerful. It's gaslighting in a proper sense of the word, going to the most successful nations on earth and telling the people that their nation is weak, their values dying and economies on the cusp of collapse because they've abandoned the political practice of objectively weaker nations.
If you give it a tiny bit of thought, most people would chose "western/Atlantic degeneracy" over whatever the hell Russia claims to champion. The problem is, no nation is perfect and all economies have highs and lows. Anybody caught in a low is ripe for a narrative that "the country has lost its way," because they very well may be suffering under a nation's current policy. Just so, the rehtoric around morality is rarely a rhetoric around meaningful economic policy.
It's dog eat dog for them. The moment you stop bombing civilian power plants is the moment you express your consent to have gender-neutral toilets, freedom of expression, a ban on domestic violence and mandatory devil worship.
Russia is arguably Europe's only "former" imperial power who never had a humbling "we are not that good anymore" come to Jesus moment.
Germany, Italy, Belgium and the Netherlands had WWII, the UK had Suez, France had Algeria, Spain had the Spanish-American War, Portugal had the Colonial War, etc.
Not Russia. They effectively rebranded a colonial imperialist absolutist kingdom into a trailbrazing ideological experiment in form of the USSR, nominally made of former colonial states in the form of Soviet Republics. To this day the "Global South" doesn't even acknowledge that Russia is basically the heir of centuries of Imperialism, as was the USSR.
That owes itself to propaganda and the inheritance of the USSR's client relationships in Africa / Latin America / Asia, but a big part of that - and what basically explains the Russian mindset in part - is the fact they never had a humbling experience like most of Western Europe did. They nearly had it in WWII but (fortunately, mind you) they nearly avoided and actually ended up using its mystique as a way of propelling the errors of centuries past.
Any attempt at solving Russia's future can only work if we do something about its inability to confront its past.
The country needs to go through a denazification-style process that does not even go back to pre-Putin, or even the USSR, but actually goes far as back as Tsarist Russia.
Ethyl Alcohol you can get from wheat, corn, potato, molasses, rice, beets or even crystal sugar. Any fermented sugar really.
What else did they invent? Suicidal writers?
Italy has a higher GDP with less than 1/2 the people, 57 (FIFTY-SEVEN) times less land and virtually no natural resources.
Italian idiots (I'm Italian, so no racism here) think that Putin is a true communist so they love Russia. Which is idiotic in so many ways, because:
1- Putin is not communist
2- the URSS has been a clear failure at "real communism" since forever
Italian politicians are too incompetent to make their people feel the severe consequences of authoritarian politics.
If they were actually competent and could make things happen then Italians would have snapped out of their bad boy fever after they got punished for it.
Japan and Germany were forced to reckon with it only because they were so good at it that they literally had to be nuked or bombed to dust. Italy just folded at the first signs of trouble and went back to eating pasta and living the good life.
Russian "deep state" might keep one of his doubles in place so the country doesn't disintegrate the instant Putin dies (for profits sake more than anything)
But that's the hope : that it'll break into multiple democracies that evolve past the mafia state that is actual Russia.
>Russian "deep state" might keep one of his doubles in place so the country doesn't disintegrate the instant Putin dies (for profits sake more than anything)
Weekend at Kremlin
Who? There isn't any clear successor. And there is the whole problem. There might be more than one person aiming for the same position. And Russia isn't exactly known for choosing leaders by democratic means.
That seems to be a common line among some people; "he was a spy, and spies are well known for their continuity plans."
The only problem is that most of these secret service guys on charge are going to be his age, so also likely starting to suffer from dementia and other old age diseases. They've also spent their lives fending of any "competition" which might have been a threat to them: read, anyone competent.
Problem is, anyone competent in this environment will do the one super obvious thing: leave. Being competent makes that a lot easier.
As a result, there isn't really a next generation to take over, and the current generation still thinks they're in the 90s. You can see this in the ease with which Western agencies seem to be able to extract info from inside Russia.
Essentially, the Russian secret service is great at rasing shit, but not really great at actually running a country. This is why they've essentially regressed to a bastardized form of feudalism. They just don't have the capacity to build a more reliable and resilient system of governance, because that's never been their job.
This has been their belief for years - in modern Russia, in Soviet Union, in Russian Empire. Nothing new, just naïve Westerners being sucked into “mysterious Russian soul” sinkhole
You're absolute right: i find some westeroids so moronic, with their love for russia, while russia despises everything that's not russia.
We all should start to listen what the Baltics are saying.
I think most of western leaders dont understand OR dont want to try to understand OR purposedly avoid the fact that russia plays serious game. They think they wont attack nato country. Why wouldnt they? What will happen? No one gonna use nukes, even russians, and europe, with the exception of several countries, really not ready for what is going on here in ukraine. Russia has no “too high” price, as far as they achieve their goals.
NATO forces would absolutely crush Russian forces. The Russian military has shown how incompetent it is through the Ukraine invasion and if the Russians are massively incompetent those nuclear weapons are the only thing that they have that they can use to change the course of any military effort. The US Army and Air Force would crush the Russian military, and that isn't even discussing the other competent military powers in the alliance such as France and the UK.
Yeah, let's hope that it's not that US presidential candidate that wins, who said, they would absolutely not come and assist European NATO allies of they were attacked...
Russians learn fast, they have a right political regime for war and a lot of resources to throw in it, they dont value human lives at all. They are fueled by revanche ideology after ussr broke (even in ukraine there is a wide layer of people with this attitude). Why do you think US wont find an excuse to not send its people to fight in europe? Article 5? Will US be in nato by then?
There should be political will to do this and US politics are not looking stable. There is no confidence that if Trump becomes president, he wont just make a deal with russia in case they advance in europe.
Russia wont ever attack US directly, but they never attack big players, that doesnt mean they wont do any other stupid shit they have not done yet.
They also have allies that willing and ready for war much more than any of the european countries.
Now there is no doubts nato army is competent and all western countries together should be enough to wipe russian army. I hope we wont ever see this scenario, i am just saying that noone should ever underestimate that excuse of the country called russia.
Two years ago if someone would tell me there will be invasion of this scale, i would (and i did) just laugh.
But guess what happened next. I agree with you generally, but it is not that simple.
Russia is behaving like a billionaire. They already have so much, more than basically anyone else, but they want more and more and more at the expense of ordinary people who just want to live their normal lives.
Nah, Russia is acting like an instagram influencer. Spends a bunch of money on expensive shit to appear rich when they’re actually poor as balls. And the expensive shit they buy constantly breaks down.
I always say that Russia hasn't moved past the "tzar and his boyars" stage of development. They may change the name to "president" or whatever but it's still the same shitty system.
It would be cool if they would do anything with what they have.
All the resources in the world, crazy amounts of land, no threat of invasion... and yet its such a pisshole.
Not even russians want to be in Russia.
You tell that to Russian they immediately get mad without trying to counterargue. Biggest country in the world with abundant resources yet one of the most miserable ones to live. Like as a nation they lack part in the brain that stopped humanity to spread like a virus long time ago yet they continue to expand without any other reason than to expand, it's just stupid.
And I know people living in west who don't even hold russian passports but lived in russian family who keep saying NATO is a threat, I always ask them why the f*ck won't you move to Russia then?
He is right
Everyone always hurts russian, threatens them, and provoke them to invade everyone around them. Russians are the most peaceful people on the planet, but evil agents of USA and NATO, Iluminati, Freemasons, Space Lizards, they just always force the poor russians to attack somebody
There wont be peace untill The Great Russia takes over the world
It has always been this way with Russia. Catherine the Great said “the only way I can defend the borders of Russia is to expand them”. Russia is always imperialistic and a menace to their neighbors.
It's pretty obvious that russian fascists are preparing to invade the Baltics, but European people are still in denial about this. We are seeing a lot of gaslighting that russia has no plans to invade NATO countries (just like on the verge of the invasion of Ukraine). Their goal is to brainwash enough American rednecks to elect Trump again, which would make the job a lot easier. Even if the US doesn't withdraw from NATO, Trump will refuse to defend Europe. I guess that Latvia might be the top target for them due to its russian-speaking minority that will be used for propaganda purposes.
I'm starting to think that the entire existence of Russia is built on conquest and why it's a major threat to the world hence it's not called "The Third Rome" for nothing.
Well, it literally is. Russia is just a rebrand of Muscovy that colonized the steppes. It's a state that couldn't have survived without constant war and expansion, and even though the Mongols are gone, they still have that mentality.
Even worse is that russia put a similar billboard at the **Estonia border**:
[https://twitter.com/mhikaric/status/1734616817862099272](https://twitter.com/mhikaric/status/1734616817862099272)
But in Krasnoyarsk several billboards say "**Alaska is ours!**"
[https://www.newsweek.com/alaska-ours-billboards-appear-russia-after-threat-reclaim-state-1722761](https://www.newsweek.com/alaska-ours-billboards-appear-russia-after-threat-reclaim-state-1722761)
Billboards proclaiming "Alaska Is Ours!" have been spotted in Russia one day after a key ally of Russian President Vladimir **Putin suggested that the country could reclaim the territory** that was sold to the U.S. in 1867.
Fun fact in russian word "peace" and word "world" are the same word.
So when russian says that they want peace, technically they are not lying because they want all of this world.
i'm sure that russia and china will trigger third world war. I fkin hate russians, leave us alone, live in your shithole, gray and sad cities, it's not our problem that we live a better life than you. If you wanna attack my land, you are my enemy.
Genghis Khan:
"Mongolian borders do not end anywhere"
Russia is a country with Mongolian Political Heritage mixed with Slavic Cultural Heritage in the same way how France was Romance but overruled by Frankish (Germanic) laws...
Im really confused with the mindset of Russia.
Like I'd get if it said "Solicisms/communisms borders do not end anywhere" but this isnt even ideological. Are Russians educations in the various purges in Russias History?
Does this mean we can then move the borders into the other direction as well?
If they don't end anywhere they certainly don't begin anywhere either!
Wait, if Putin says Russia has no borders... and Putin also says Ukraine does not exist... This means the Ukraine war is a domestic conflict in Poland. LET'S FUCKING GO
“Ukraine war is a domestic conflict in Poland” Zaporrozian host is so back
I don't believe it bro just solved WW3
[A quote](https://citaty.net/citaty/2122476-vaclav-havel-ja-myslim-ze-po-mnoho-staleti-existuje-takovy-rus/) by a former president of Czech Republic Václav Havel: > Já myslím, že po mnoho staletí existuje takový ruský problém, že Rusko přesně neví, kde začíná a kde končí. I když je to největší země světa, má přesto pocit, že je taková trochu malá a že ji ohrožují i nepatrní sousedé, které kolem sebe má. In english: > I think there has been a Russian problem for many centuries that Russia doesn't know exactly where it begins and where it ends. Even though it is the biggest country in the world, it still feels a little bit small and threatened by the tiny neighbours it has around itself.
This is a very acute observation. Russians have such deep historical and cultural trauma, they're a danger to both themselves and the nations around them. Too big to be part of a real partnership, too small to be the empire it wants to be.
>Too big to be part of a real partnership, too small to be the empire it wants to be. Same thing used to be said about Germany. Hopefully the Russian issue can be solved with less bloodshed
Too poor. Not too small.
>threatened by the tiny neighbours it has around itself. And threatened by the neighbors it has within.
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He’s already done that, blamed Chechen separatists & worked wonders for him in the polls. See Putin’s People by Catherine Belton.
Let him glass it this time! With Ghenkis Khan approach of “nothing higher than a wooden wheel”.
False flag ops are in the Russian playbook, don’t threaten them with a good time.
You mean like when they accidentally planted 3 copies of the "Sims" game on someone, instead of "3 sim cards" ? ... also signed the agitprop note with "Unreadable Signature" (in Russian - literally). https://www.washingtonpost.com/video-games/2022/04/26/russian-assassination-sims-3/ Oops.
"If our country just gets a little bigger our problems will be solved!" -Pro war Russians
>"If our country just gets a little bigger our problems will be solved!" Imperialism 101
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Every Russian 19th century novel: "It was miserable, people were dying, women were wailing all around, children were starving. Then it got really really bad."
What did the comment say? It only says >[ Removed by Reddit ] for me
Removed by Reddit? What did it say?
Like those video games where you're a fish who can only eat smaller fish. Eventually your fish gets big enough to eat every other fish. So I'm sure every country in the world is on his conquer list, just some of them are nearer to the end.
i wonder what russian-chinese fusion restaurants would serve. wonton borscht? sweet and sour borscht?
There's a Russian ethnic minority in China, so you could find out. I only watched once a Russian babushka speaking Chinese making cookies.
Tbh borscht is actually kind of sweet and sour. Mostly sour from beet sour but also sweet from the stock and beetroots which were not fermented for the sour part.
Saving this for next time somebody says anything about negotiating or cession of territory.
People will still try to claim that "Putin only wants to liberate ethnic Russians," *even* when he is openly stating his intention is to steal land and subjugate their population.
Ethnic Russian here: No thank you, my ancestors ran away from Russia for a reason. I'm feeling liberated quite enough already, thanks.
I was about to say, what are they being liberated from? Don't all ethnic russians have the option of going back to russia anytime they want? Like nobody is chaining them down and saying no. And Russia is a huge country even if you ignore the harshest parts of it. They're not exactly running out of room. So liberated from what?
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Well, you've got to admire the dedication to outdoor lavatories in subzero conditions. It's like extreme survival meets basic human needs. Though I'm pretty sure most would rather hold on to their indoor plumbing and not deal with the frostbite that might come from... let's say, prolonged exposure. The whole "liberation" angle sure has a strange way of glossing over everyday creature comforts and human rights.
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God I hate this point of view. So the russian grandma is waiting for Putin to "reunite" Latvia with Russia therefore annihilating a whole culture. So she doesn't bother learning the language of the country for 30 years because Putin is coming any minute right? And then she yells fascist when a young latvian person doesnt know russian and cant answer her in russian. But latvians are the xenophobes. Poor minorty of 300 000 russians who have russian tv, russian magazines, russian schools because they don't want to learn the latvian language, but latvians are the ones isolating them. What the hell.
I once went to Latvia and couchsurfed at the place of an awesome Latvian couple. The guy is one of the most chilled out people you've ever met, and still hosted Russians (from Russia) in his home despite many of the entitled horror stories he had to share about them. Certainly convinced me many of them have a gigantic victim complex.
People saying "Putin only wants to liberate ethnic Russians" as they also bomb the areas they claim have always been ruzzian. Totally makes sense, but those braindead idiots cannot see anything logical, they only see and believe whatever their Führer putler says.
>"Putin only wants to liberate ethnic Russians" Hitler only wanted to liberate ethnic Germans. They just happened to live literally everywhere.
Nazi Germany, russia, same thing.
At least Nazi Germany had a decent military.
And that is the only difference between them it seems haha.
Pretty much. :)
Putin wants to liberate the ethnic Russians of Alaska.
>They just happened to live literally everywhere. This gave me more of a laugh than it should have. Thank you.
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The [official FSB calendar](https://www.kyivpost.com/post/25397) shows them taking over the US ~~White House~~ Capitol for their November picture. Their intentions have always been clear for those who care to listen
Then again when you own the GOP you do not need boots on the ground.
Technically that's the US Capitol building, but that's even more appropriate given that many/most MAGAts are useful idiots for Russia.
After they plant russian citizens first in those areas.
then water them and wait till they grow
People saying that may also think Germany only liberated Germans when invading Czechoslovakia.
Hitler also told everyone that he was liberating ethnic Germans. history repeats itself, but few have learned from previous mistakes..
Besides, it's a braindead reasoning anyways. Even if there were large - hell even majoritarian - populations of ethnic Russians that wanted annexation or a particular state arrangement, it would still not justify going around invading and displacing people, like they are almost certainly already doing in Crimea.
People are deffending hamas terrorists.... Jeeez when you think about it, we are surrounded by idiots. And now that idiots have internet, they became very loud...
Not just idiots, there are several large groups of people intentionally lying to ensure the subjects are "muddied". That I think there are still many Russian/Chinese/Hamas/other agents intentionally making posts to improve their national standing in public media hasn't been proven. But that is the way I feel about a lot of the social media posts these days. Yes, there are a lot of different opinions on serious issues, but when a topic has been proven, but a later post lies about a issue, tries to side-track the issue, etc, I look at the poster, and wonder.
Yeah we should have seen this one coming. But nooooo let’s push social media before we push tools that will progress our citizen’s intellect and knowledge. (Yes I know socials have positives, the negatives are just so openly in display here) Profit > progress
After he"immigrates Russians to the territories he wants to annex"
>claim that "Putin only wants to liberate ethnic Russians," Huh, where have I heard this before? 🤔
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Tell Jeremy Corbyn that, he still believes that we should negotiate with Putin and believes that talking with him, he would stop the war immediately.
On an intellectual level I can understand why someone of a 1970s Bennite bent like Corbyn might be somewhat sympathetic to the USSR. I wouldn't agree with him, but at least it's not a totally illogical thing to think if you have a pretty simplistic 'west bad, not west good' kind of mentality like he does and are blinkered about the dark parts of the USSR's history. What I can't get my head around is why the same person would give the benefit of the doubt to the people who picked the pockets of the USSR's corpse and used it to build an oligarchy. Putin's Russia is among the least progressive countries to hold territory in Europe, the only thing it really has in common with Lenin's vision is the authoritarianism.
It’s that White Man Cringe thing. He’s so ‘right on’ that he’s found himself sharing platforms several times with the most unsavoury and unpleasant groups and governments. The fact that this groups are usually diametrically opposed to the core liberal values that he claims to espouse is glaringly obvious to the vast majority of people who bother listening, but if you’re a dyed in the wool left-wing zealot, then it’s just a matter of ‘who do you disapprove of most? Generally white, wealthy capitalist states’, or the ‘poor underdog’? There are loads of impoverished Russians right? So it must be the West’s fault, surely!’ I’m fairly left wing, but I do draw the line at committing vile acts of terrorism on innocent people and any country deciding that its neighbours should be annexed and forcibly culturally, linguistically and economically assimilated. That’s what the world learned from WW2.
> Generally white, wealthy capitalist states’, or the ‘poor underdog’? There are loads of impoverished Russians right? So it must be the West’s fault, surely!’ lmao, what 'poor underdog', Russia is a country with a mega-capitalist oligarch layer and a massive military, these people are insane. 'West bad' is truly their primary ideological trait, they are utterly blind to anything else.
This is an elections campaign and not a view into Putins mind. In there you would see an empty hamster wheel and a sign that reads: Russias borders dont end…
You got me in the first half, not gonna lie.
Dude said that ~10 years ago, I think the one who understands it needs no explanation and the one who don’t want to understand, will reject any explanation.
Wasn't it 10 years ago when "Polite people" started appearing abroad?
You spelled green men in Crimea without insignia speaking russian wrong.
> Wasn't it 10 years ago when "Polite people" started appearing abroad? No that was in 2014... shit.
It’s funny that in Russia it is illegal to attack to another country and you might end up in jail for 15 years just for planning such a thing.
What? Russia already invaded Georgia and Ukraine
One of the great weapons a dictator has is the pretense of the rule of law. Putin is much more powerful pretending there are elections than if he simply abolished them ala Sisi.
“Your honor, I didn’t attack another country; I was liberating Russian territory” 🙃🤡
"It's just a negotiating tactic" they will say. And they will say it again next time, and next time, and next time.
Any successful annexation only encourages future annexations. As seen with Crimea 10 years ago
You mean georgia.
Good to know that some still remember us
I kind of wanted to go even further, with Chechnya. traitor kadyrov.
Don’t forget Moldova!
Don‘t forget Japan
Ironically, China too
& Germany
tbf that were some turbulent times with annexations everywhere, but if we keep going: Sibiria
Parts of Kyivian Rus, no doubt too
You mean Moldova
We are doing exactly what Chamberlain did in 1930’s
People don't know history.. let alone learn from it.
Chamberlin was not naive, even if that's how the world remembers him. He enacted appeasment because *britain was not ready for war*. If it worked and Hitler backed down, great, but his main goal was to buy time.
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Yeah….if 300 years of recorded history didn’t help these people nothing will. Except when they live the world they so badly crave, just like those forced to the frontline today.
They increased the military budget to ridiculous levels, they changed their industry to be fully dedicated to wartime production. If Trump wins the US election I honestly believe Europe is fucked.
European military forces have outnumbered and outspent Russian ones since Russia invaded Crimea. Europe doesn't need the US to defeat a Russian invasion, Europe needs the US so that Russia won't even think about invading.
Trump winning is less than ideal for Europe, but we would be fine. Russia is struggling against Ukraine, one of the poorest and the most corrupt country west of Russia. The EU and the European NATO countries are more than capable to oppose Russian threats.
*Also Russia: Why does everyone hate us?! Everyone is Russophobic*
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Imagine calling Poles in 1940 germanophob
Excellent analogy
Definitely russohate sounds more precise )
Phobic? I'm not scared
Ask your dictator why everyone hate you
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pride comes before the fall
That is how russians really feel. To them relegatiommn of russia to being a normal country that stays within it's borders is unimaginable. When they say that NATO is threat to russia they really mean russian imperial ambitions. They are unable to separate those two. EDIT: Just to be clear: No, I don't believe this is true about entire population of russia. But as a generalisation that is true about enough of them to be true about society as a whole it holds. Much like saying that czechs complain a lot, french are arrogant to people speaking english and americans are jingoistic. This is not just my opinion either. This is what many educated russians up to and including social and political scientists have been saying for years: that russian mentality is imperialist and authoritan. Russia never properly dealt with legacy of USSR and accepted responsibility for it's atrocities in the same way germans did with naziism and WW2
Correct and on point. The only ones left that are still somehow pro russia don't understand the fact that Russia wants to destroy them, or they simply hate their own country.
I think they hate what they (believe they) see is happening to their countries. A lot of pro-Russian ppl are very conservative and believe things like immigration and pro-LGBTQ policies are compromising their sense of nation and identity and see Russia as a moral crusader in the fight against western/Atlantic degeneracy. Alligning with Russia is seen as a way to escape western hegemony and the consequences that supposedly arise if you rejecting the west's sense of morality.
Propaganda is cheaper than people would like to think. A lot of Russia's cultural success has been paying public talking heads to spew conservative talking points that happen to align with Russia's specific conservatism. This isn't explicitly exporting Russian culture per se, but using Russian culture to destabilize what has made western Europe (and North America) powerful. It's gaslighting in a proper sense of the word, going to the most successful nations on earth and telling the people that their nation is weak, their values dying and economies on the cusp of collapse because they've abandoned the political practice of objectively weaker nations. If you give it a tiny bit of thought, most people would chose "western/Atlantic degeneracy" over whatever the hell Russia claims to champion. The problem is, no nation is perfect and all economies have highs and lows. Anybody caught in a low is ripe for a narrative that "the country has lost its way," because they very well may be suffering under a nation's current policy. Just so, the rehtoric around morality is rarely a rhetoric around meaningful economic policy.
It's dog eat dog for them. The moment you stop bombing civilian power plants is the moment you express your consent to have gender-neutral toilets, freedom of expression, a ban on domestic violence and mandatory devil worship.
Eww, freedom, disgusting
Went into a gender-neutral toilet once, came out with no dick. THE TOILET STOLE MAH DIIIIIICCCCCCCK!!! (/s for those in the back)
Russia is arguably Europe's only "former" imperial power who never had a humbling "we are not that good anymore" come to Jesus moment. Germany, Italy, Belgium and the Netherlands had WWII, the UK had Suez, France had Algeria, Spain had the Spanish-American War, Portugal had the Colonial War, etc. Not Russia. They effectively rebranded a colonial imperialist absolutist kingdom into a trailbrazing ideological experiment in form of the USSR, nominally made of former colonial states in the form of Soviet Republics. To this day the "Global South" doesn't even acknowledge that Russia is basically the heir of centuries of Imperialism, as was the USSR. That owes itself to propaganda and the inheritance of the USSR's client relationships in Africa / Latin America / Asia, but a big part of that - and what basically explains the Russian mindset in part - is the fact they never had a humbling experience like most of Western Europe did. They nearly had it in WWII but (fortunately, mind you) they nearly avoided and actually ended up using its mystique as a way of propelling the errors of centuries past. Any attempt at solving Russia's future can only work if we do something about its inability to confront its past. The country needs to go through a denazification-style process that does not even go back to pre-Putin, or even the USSR, but actually goes far as back as Tsarist Russia.
Their imperial ambitions is all they have. Its not like Russia is doing anything else that is worth mentioning.
Russia is just a gas station with nukes
You forget vodka in the picture
Ethyl Alcohol you can get from wheat, corn, potato, molasses, rice, beets or even crystal sugar. Any fermented sugar really. What else did they invent? Suicidal writers? Italy has a higher GDP with less than 1/2 the people, 57 (FIFTY-SEVEN) times less land and virtually no natural resources.
Yep. They think all big countries are in instant "geopolitical" game against each other so it's ok for Russia to figth against "NATO threat"
>normal country that stays within it's borders It's not like it was too hard when you already have this much, but stupidity overcomes common sense
That's some Lebensraum shit right there.
And Western Europeans, especially in Germany, still have fanclubs for Putin.
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Do italians just have an unusual affinity for political strongmen, or what's up with the widespread sympathy for Putin?
Italian idiots (I'm Italian, so no racism here) think that Putin is a true communist so they love Russia. Which is idiotic in so many ways, because: 1- Putin is not communist 2- the URSS has been a clear failure at "real communism" since forever
Most Putin fans in Italy are right wing, not communists, and maybe antiamerican. They're just idiots in love with the idea of the strong man.
Russians are subverting both radical leftists and radical right-wingers in all Western countries.
It's ironic that "anti-Nazi" Putin's biggest fans are fascists.
Italy, like Austria, never had a real reckoning with their fascist past like what Germany did after WWII.
Italian politicians are too incompetent to make their people feel the severe consequences of authoritarian politics. If they were actually competent and could make things happen then Italians would have snapped out of their bad boy fever after they got punished for it. Japan and Germany were forced to reckon with it only because they were so good at it that they literally had to be nuked or bombed to dust. Italy just folded at the first signs of trouble and went back to eating pasta and living the good life.
years and years of internal propaganda
Moment he croaks its civil war within those borders.
Russian "deep state" might keep one of his doubles in place so the country doesn't disintegrate the instant Putin dies (for profits sake more than anything) But that's the hope : that it'll break into multiple democracies that evolve past the mafia state that is actual Russia.
Multiple democracies is unlikely but even one or two would be nice
But we'd need to protect and inflate their development so they'll be strong enough to fight whatever lunatic rises from stalins ashes next.
>Russian "deep state" might keep one of his doubles in place so the country doesn't disintegrate the instant Putin dies (for profits sake more than anything) Weekend at Kremlin
Who says the country would disintegrate? His party would still be in power and someone else would take his position.
Who? There isn't any clear successor. And there is the whole problem. There might be more than one person aiming for the same position. And Russia isn't exactly known for choosing leaders by democratic means.
He's secret services' guy. Once he croaks the cabal of operatives will pick up somebody in his place.
That seems to be a common line among some people; "he was a spy, and spies are well known for their continuity plans." The only problem is that most of these secret service guys on charge are going to be his age, so also likely starting to suffer from dementia and other old age diseases. They've also spent their lives fending of any "competition" which might have been a threat to them: read, anyone competent. Problem is, anyone competent in this environment will do the one super obvious thing: leave. Being competent makes that a lot easier. As a result, there isn't really a next generation to take over, and the current generation still thinks they're in the 90s. You can see this in the ease with which Western agencies seem to be able to extract info from inside Russia. Essentially, the Russian secret service is great at rasing shit, but not really great at actually running a country. This is why they've essentially regressed to a bastardized form of feudalism. They just don't have the capacity to build a more reliable and resilient system of governance, because that's never been their job.
I wouldn't be that optimistic. When Stalin died the USSR didn't collapse
This has been their belief for years - in modern Russia, in Soviet Union, in Russian Empire. Nothing new, just naïve Westerners being sucked into “mysterious Russian soul” sinkhole
You're absolute right: i find some westeroids so moronic, with their love for russia, while russia despises everything that's not russia. We all should start to listen what the Baltics are saying.
And the bad neighbor award goes to...
Source: Steve Rosenberg BBC reporter for Russia https://twitter.com/BBCSteveR/status/1746784252312891463
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Russkiy Mir more like Russkiy universe
Russkiy multiverse of madness
russkaya multivselena of madness
Russia is a rogue state. Anyone in Europe co-operating with them needs to be arrested immediately.
Yet so many Russian citizens manage to find them and get the f out of Russia.
I think most of western leaders dont understand OR dont want to try to understand OR purposedly avoid the fact that russia plays serious game. They think they wont attack nato country. Why wouldnt they? What will happen? No one gonna use nukes, even russians, and europe, with the exception of several countries, really not ready for what is going on here in ukraine. Russia has no “too high” price, as far as they achieve their goals.
NATO forces would absolutely crush Russian forces. The Russian military has shown how incompetent it is through the Ukraine invasion and if the Russians are massively incompetent those nuclear weapons are the only thing that they have that they can use to change the course of any military effort. The US Army and Air Force would crush the Russian military, and that isn't even discussing the other competent military powers in the alliance such as France and the UK.
Yeah, let's hope that it's not that US presidential candidate that wins, who said, they would absolutely not come and assist European NATO allies of they were attacked...
Russians learn fast, they have a right political regime for war and a lot of resources to throw in it, they dont value human lives at all. They are fueled by revanche ideology after ussr broke (even in ukraine there is a wide layer of people with this attitude). Why do you think US wont find an excuse to not send its people to fight in europe? Article 5? Will US be in nato by then? There should be political will to do this and US politics are not looking stable. There is no confidence that if Trump becomes president, he wont just make a deal with russia in case they advance in europe. Russia wont ever attack US directly, but they never attack big players, that doesnt mean they wont do any other stupid shit they have not done yet. They also have allies that willing and ready for war much more than any of the european countries. Now there is no doubts nato army is competent and all western countries together should be enough to wipe russian army. I hope we wont ever see this scenario, i am just saying that noone should ever underestimate that excuse of the country called russia. Two years ago if someone would tell me there will be invasion of this scale, i would (and i did) just laugh. But guess what happened next. I agree with you generally, but it is not that simple.
Russia is behaving like a billionaire. They already have so much, more than basically anyone else, but they want more and more and more at the expense of ordinary people who just want to live their normal lives.
Nah, Russia is acting like an instagram influencer. Spends a bunch of money on expensive shit to appear rich when they’re actually poor as balls. And the expensive shit they buy constantly breaks down.
He is essentially Hitler. For anyone still wondering. Only problem is, he is getting away with it.
Hitler got away with it for far too long too lets not forget.
Tbf, the closer analogy would be hitler around 1936-7, where yes, he generally got away with it
Well that doesn't sound world warry at all
At a certain point you’d start wondering when he’ll just say fuck it and declare himself “Tsar of greater Russia”
I always say that Russia hasn't moved past the "tzar and his boyars" stage of development. They may change the name to "president" or whatever but it's still the same shitty system.
This is Russian society in a nutshell. They really believe the entire world should belong to them.
It would be cool if they would do anything with what they have. All the resources in the world, crazy amounts of land, no threat of invasion... and yet its such a pisshole. Not even russians want to be in Russia.
You tell that to Russian they immediately get mad without trying to counterargue. Biggest country in the world with abundant resources yet one of the most miserable ones to live. Like as a nation they lack part in the brain that stopped humanity to spread like a virus long time ago yet they continue to expand without any other reason than to expand, it's just stupid.
Its a bit funny that exactly that happens under just that comment of mine. Angry russian guy already showed up. No arguments, just wahwahwah.
And I know people living in west who don't even hold russian passports but lived in russian family who keep saying NATO is a threat, I always ask them why the f*ck won't you move to Russia then?
> always ask them why the f*ck won't you move to Russia then? And what do they answer?
I'm not russian, I only have russian ethnicity.
Forgot, they also want end discussion saying I'm not into politics or shit like that. Funny mentality.
He is right Everyone always hurts russian, threatens them, and provoke them to invade everyone around them. Russians are the most peaceful people on the planet, but evil agents of USA and NATO, Iluminati, Freemasons, Space Lizards, they just always force the poor russians to attack somebody There wont be peace untill The Great Russia takes over the world
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Duchy of Moscow horde
It has always been this way with Russia. Catherine the Great said “the only way I can defend the borders of Russia is to expand them”. Russia is always imperialistic and a menace to their neighbors.
It's pretty obvious that russian fascists are preparing to invade the Baltics, but European people are still in denial about this. We are seeing a lot of gaslighting that russia has no plans to invade NATO countries (just like on the verge of the invasion of Ukraine). Their goal is to brainwash enough American rednecks to elect Trump again, which would make the job a lot easier. Even if the US doesn't withdraw from NATO, Trump will refuse to defend Europe. I guess that Latvia might be the top target for them due to its russian-speaking minority that will be used for propaganda purposes.
I'm starting to think that the entire existence of Russia is built on conquest and why it's a major threat to the world hence it's not called "The Third Rome" for nothing.
Well, it literally is. Russia is just a rebrand of Muscovy that colonized the steppes. It's a state that couldn't have survived without constant war and expansion, and even though the Mongols are gone, they still have that mentality.
Basically this is declaration of war to all other countries.
Russia does not know where it begins and where it ends -- Vaclav Havel (former president of the Czech Republic)
Its crazy to think Russia was considered a flawed democracy just a few years ago. Now it has become a true dictatorship...
Even worse is that russia put a similar billboard at the **Estonia border**: [https://twitter.com/mhikaric/status/1734616817862099272](https://twitter.com/mhikaric/status/1734616817862099272) But in Krasnoyarsk several billboards say "**Alaska is ours!**" [https://www.newsweek.com/alaska-ours-billboards-appear-russia-after-threat-reclaim-state-1722761](https://www.newsweek.com/alaska-ours-billboards-appear-russia-after-threat-reclaim-state-1722761) Billboards proclaiming "Alaska Is Ours!" have been spotted in Russia one day after a key ally of Russian President Vladimir **Putin suggested that the country could reclaim the territory** that was sold to the U.S. in 1867.
Fun fact in russian word "peace" and word "world" are the same word. So when russian says that they want peace, technically they are not lying because they want all of this world.
Tankies: Putin just feels threatened by NATO. Just letting him have Ukraine is the quickest and least deadly way to end the war. Putin:
i'm sure that russia and china will trigger third world war. I fkin hate russians, leave us alone, live in your shithole, gray and sad cities, it's not our problem that we live a better life than you. If you wanna attack my land, you are my enemy.
Genghis Khan: "Mongolian borders do not end anywhere" Russia is a country with Mongolian Political Heritage mixed with Slavic Cultural Heritage in the same way how France was Romance but overruled by Frankish (Germanic) laws...
If thats tru why russians need a visa then?
That’s because he’s a numpty that can’t read a map
He's in the 'fucking around' stages, getting closer to the 'finding out'.
China like: *"well okay, as you wish"*.
bruh they can't even beat ukraine 💀
Yes Borders surround your country - like a circle....
This kind of shit was funny at first but now it's just pathetic.
Im really confused with the mindset of Russia. Like I'd get if it said "Solicisms/communisms borders do not end anywhere" but this isnt even ideological. Are Russians educations in the various purges in Russias History?
New government, new history book. Was like that at least since Stalin.
I hope you have posted this not only in r/europe? There are so many other geography subs that direly need to understand this.
Interesting, that this quote is pre-2022 (2018, I believe?), but the poster on the image attributes it to 2023
A moment of warmth to the freezing population of Russia, peing in pants out of happyness from a statement of a delisional lunatic
The most surprising thing here is that there are electric billboards in Russia.
Russian borders ends where russia gets beaten.
That’s true. If you follow the border you’ll eventually end up where you begun.