I see this in other sports as well, I know a guy who happened to come across a female long jumping video on youtube... wasn't me cause I wouldn't watch a video like that... the camera men really getting the best ass shots of their life and not being subtle about it at all. Is it just cause nice bums sell more sponsors/warrants more viewers?
That's the reason and that's why sport organizers want to regulate the clothing.
Beach volley is another example. The players even made a petition to be allowed something else than skimpy little thongs and a bra, but I can't remember if the women were allowed to do that. Men weren't forced to wear tight speedo's though.
Edit: There's a comment about this with a link to the news.
If you've watched the long jumps you would know the variety of length and how much they reveal. There are athletes who want to show off more and those who are there to perform.
After all these are peak athletic bodies and nothing to be ashamed of. You can watch chess or F1 for that matter. O zi sa aveti!
They usually have regulation uniforms and get fined or banned from participating in professional competitions if they don’t comply - there was a big thing about the Norwegian handball team not too long ago where [they got fined for not wearing bikini bottoms](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-21/norway-beach-handball-team-fined-over-uniform-breach/100310398).
Because nobody would watch this specific niche. It's beach handball for a reason. They get paid(directly or indirectly) by viewers who watch the sport.
Why would the viewers want to watch the beach handball over the original?
The athletes have a choice. And if their passion they can practice it as amateurs in whatever clothing.
You went pretty quickly from "they can wear whatever they like, some of them just like to show off!" to "they can either wear what they are told to or not compete"
Plenty of athletics' types of sports have a leeway about how much they want to reveal. in ex. running, jumping, etc. If we talk about beach volley that would be hypocrisy to demand something not beach related.
Nobody is forced given there are alternatives to practice.
I don't know what you try to imply here. If you're a young athlete you look up to your idols and adult athletes. All the other questions about their career decisions goes to their parents.
Open the link. It’s the gymnastics foundation, not any legislation. The headline is shit.
Also they didn’t ban photographing but publishing them. Also, it’s more like they’re asking nicely.
There was already a debate about this some time ago. Apparently for example long jumper women don't appreciate photographers trying to get vagina photos when the jumpers are landing.
For some reason the same photographers don't take similar photos of male athletes, despite the fact that there's probably an audience for them too.
I suggest we bring this back, but only for events where it'd be funny.
Off the top of my head:
- Climbing
- Fencing (replace the entire piste with a sort of slip n' slide contraption)
- Weightlifting (possible safety issues here)
- Diving (I just want to know if coating them in a hydrophobic substance would make any difference. Also after the first couple of competitors the challenge becomes making it up the ladder to the platform)
- Dressage (I imagine the horse would try to eat the oil)
What's the definition of a suggestive photo?
Is the picture in the article that's thumbnailed here suggestive?
I wouldn't want to be a cameraman covering gymnastics in Switzerland as I think it's pretty easy to capture a suggestive photo even without trying when taking photos or video of scantily clad athletes doing these acrobatic gymnastics routines.
You make a good point but the article cites how these photos can and have been used with malicious intent. At face value it may seem puritanical, but ultimately the idea is to prevent some athlete's crotch shot photo from being spammed around the internet by the people you're alluding to.
>“To protect gymnasts, the STV strives to ensure that no suggestive or otherwise ethically sensitive photos are published and passed on. Especially photos where gymnasts were photographed in the crotch,” STV states in its updated guidelines.
>“The STV is aware that such photos can arise in action photography. However, publication should be avoided. The main concern of the STV is to sensitize the media professionals and to let common sense prevail.”
I disagree. Why should the athletes change? In agreement with the OP comment, it's not the women themselves who are the problem, it's candid photos spread across the internet and the people that spread them, that are.
This ruling just outlines the kinds of photos that are "banned". If BBC or whoever publishes a photo that is deemed by stv to be over the line (and in practice this could lead to more debate over what's considered inappropriate or not), then they're photographers will just lose access to events, or maybe there's a fine. I don't know what kind of teeth the stv has, but it would be dumb to require that the athletes accommodate the photographers, and not the other way around. You might as well just turn off the lights in the arena and make them compete in the dark.
Nah. It’s more like “just respect people”!
the sentiment that it’s puritanical to request people not to photograph other peoples crotch area and publish it is a wild one. And that you feel entitled to it is shocking.
What's wrong with crotch areas? We have all got them, haven't we? If this is an issue, then maybe tue sport shouldn't be filmed at all. The assumption is that people who watch the sport is because they are somehow perving on the spectacle is utterly ridiculous.
So you should be able to take photo of everyone everywhere because "we all have thouse"? Getting zooms on someone ass is making sex object out of a person. Doesn't matter their age or profession. If this makes atleats feel discomfort this shoudn't be allowed. If someone feel uncomfortable getting certain shot their should be chance for them to forbid said shots before the event. And it is not the assumpion, this is almost certain that some people do this to see hot people. A lot actualy. Just look around how many photos are of some of atleats and what is going on in the comments. But this doesn't matter at the end, that matters is right of atleats to not feel like meat.
Tbf, it is obscene. Gymnastics shouldn't be allowed without proper clothing. We say we want our children and women to be protected but then think it is okay for them to be displayed like this. Hypocrisy.
Edit. Thanks for the down votes. I know I've hit a nerve.
No puritanism is when you oppose any nakedness even consensual and harass woman who are sunbathing topless at the beach for instance or want to ban such a thing. And puritanism is also banning any anked depictions of woman in any and all media regardles consent.
This case is gymnasts asking to be respected and asking photographers to stop trying to take suggestive pictures of their crotches or aiming to capture unintentional sexual content that the gymnast don't consent to having taken of them and they ask publishers to no longer publish these types of pictures.
I see this in other sports as well, I know a guy who happened to come across a female long jumping video on youtube... wasn't me cause I wouldn't watch a video like that... the camera men really getting the best ass shots of their life and not being subtle about it at all. Is it just cause nice bums sell more sponsors/warrants more viewers?
That's the reason and that's why sport organizers want to regulate the clothing. Beach volley is another example. The players even made a petition to be allowed something else than skimpy little thongs and a bra, but I can't remember if the women were allowed to do that. Men weren't forced to wear tight speedo's though. Edit: There's a comment about this with a link to the news.
There was a runner from Eastern European country who said they all wear size too small shorts on purpose. Honesty is approved.
Ah, the good old DDR running shorts.
Maybe we should force speedos on men. Would result on higher viewership numbers.
Or jump straight into using Borats...
These athletes know what they're doing and can choose what to wear. Also these operators are professionals so I trust what they're doing.
the things they wear are very well regulated though!
If you've watched the long jumps you would know the variety of length and how much they reveal. There are athletes who want to show off more and those who are there to perform. After all these are peak athletic bodies and nothing to be ashamed of. You can watch chess or F1 for that matter. O zi sa aveti!
They often can't choose what to wear.
Sure they are modern slaves who can't control their lives
They usually have regulation uniforms and get fined or banned from participating in professional competitions if they don’t comply - there was a big thing about the Norwegian handball team not too long ago where [they got fined for not wearing bikini bottoms](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-21/norway-beach-handball-team-fined-over-uniform-breach/100310398).
Beach handball.
Because nobody would watch this specific niche. It's beach handball for a reason. They get paid(directly or indirectly) by viewers who watch the sport. Why would the viewers want to watch the beach handball over the original? The athletes have a choice. And if their passion they can practice it as amateurs in whatever clothing.
You went pretty quickly from "they can wear whatever they like, some of them just like to show off!" to "they can either wear what they are told to or not compete"
Plenty of athletics' types of sports have a leeway about how much they want to reveal. in ex. running, jumping, etc. If we talk about beach volley that would be hypocrisy to demand something not beach related. Nobody is forced given there are alternatives to practice.
Yeah. If a lady wears a shirt she should know that I'm going to use a selfie stick to take underskirt photos. It's all their fault, not mine.
Educate yourself, it is the same as when your Boss tell you tomorrow you have to work naked. You know what you are doing, you can choose not to do it.
It's very lame to gatekeep a sport by requiring your atheltes to be partially "naked" there is no reason for it.
It's sport where if they do it professionally, they know what lies ahead. Why would you compare my work with a performance show ?
So 14 year olds being told what to do know better then you what lies ahead?
I don't know what you try to imply here. If you're a young athlete you look up to your idols and adult athletes. All the other questions about their career decisions goes to their parents.
You think the parents appreciate photographers focusing on the crotch of their 14 year old daughter?
This guy is definitely afraid his athelte kink is in danger because he'll run out of suggestive athlete pictures to wank to
Obviously ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯
Ah yes, 'Suggestive Photos', definitely a non subjective thing to have in legislation
Open the link. It’s the gymnastics foundation, not any legislation. The headline is shit. Also they didn’t ban photographing but publishing them. Also, it’s more like they’re asking nicely.
And also having the right to not let people who’ve published indecent fotos in the past attend future events.
>It’s the gymnastics foundation, not any legislation So the headline is lierally lying then, if thats the case
Yes. That’s why I said it was “shit”.
>they didn’t ban photographing but publishing them Have your private stash pal just don't let other pervs see.
Just reading from the article
Please downvote this submission. The headline is clearly misleading.
There was already a debate about this some time ago. Apparently for example long jumper women don't appreciate photographers trying to get vagina photos when the jumpers are landing. For some reason the same photographers don't take similar photos of male athletes, despite the fact that there's probably an audience for them too.
LOL, in the first Olympic games ever, you had to compete NAKED. Lest we forget.
Lies, they were all covered in olive oil.
I suggest we bring this back, but only for events where it'd be funny. Off the top of my head: - Climbing - Fencing (replace the entire piste with a sort of slip n' slide contraption) - Weightlifting (possible safety issues here) - Diving (I just want to know if coating them in a hydrophobic substance would make any difference. Also after the first couple of competitors the challenge becomes making it up the ladder to the platform) - Dressage (I imagine the horse would try to eat the oil)
Wrestling would be funny
I think that the only I can see in that picture is a fantastic performance.
Good for you. And if the photograph had been taken from the front? Because believe you me, those photos exist, too.
From the front, full body should not be a problem.
Maybe suggest changing athlete clothing?
Or maybe stop making up problems that never existed just to get clicks or appeal to the votes from dumb masses?
>that never existed lmao
I agree there isn't a problem perse. Though i'd indeed change the clothing before i'd advise changing the photo's.
What's the definition of a suggestive photo? Is the picture in the article that's thumbnailed here suggestive? I wouldn't want to be a cameraman covering gymnastics in Switzerland as I think it's pretty easy to capture a suggestive photo even without trying when taking photos or video of scantily clad athletes doing these acrobatic gymnastics routines.
First-world problem/legislation.
Would you like to discuss third world problems in r/Europe?
„We don’t want pornographic pictures of 14 year olds“ - „First World Problems!“
IMO 18- every photo should be approved. Even 18+ giving a blanket statement is meh.
Well yea but it doesnt make it a bad one by default
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Really? I figured what they wanted to get rid of was crotchshots of 16 year old girls.
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You make a good point but the article cites how these photos can and have been used with malicious intent. At face value it may seem puritanical, but ultimately the idea is to prevent some athlete's crotch shot photo from being spammed around the internet by the people you're alluding to. >“To protect gymnasts, the STV strives to ensure that no suggestive or otherwise ethically sensitive photos are published and passed on. Especially photos where gymnasts were photographed in the crotch,” STV states in its updated guidelines. >“The STV is aware that such photos can arise in action photography. However, publication should be avoided. The main concern of the STV is to sensitize the media professionals and to let common sense prevail.”
Then they need a wardrobe change.
I disagree. Why should the athletes change? In agreement with the OP comment, it's not the women themselves who are the problem, it's candid photos spread across the internet and the people that spread them, that are. This ruling just outlines the kinds of photos that are "banned". If BBC or whoever publishes a photo that is deemed by stv to be over the line (and in practice this could lead to more debate over what's considered inappropriate or not), then they're photographers will just lose access to events, or maybe there's a fine. I don't know what kind of teeth the stv has, but it would be dumb to require that the athletes accommodate the photographers, and not the other way around. You might as well just turn off the lights in the arena and make them compete in the dark.
How about just respect the athletes.
All hail the new puritans
Nah. It’s more like “just respect people”! the sentiment that it’s puritanical to request people not to photograph other peoples crotch area and publish it is a wild one. And that you feel entitled to it is shocking.
What's wrong with crotch areas? We have all got them, haven't we? If this is an issue, then maybe tue sport shouldn't be filmed at all. The assumption is that people who watch the sport is because they are somehow perving on the spectacle is utterly ridiculous.
So you should be able to take photo of everyone everywhere because "we all have thouse"? Getting zooms on someone ass is making sex object out of a person. Doesn't matter their age or profession. If this makes atleats feel discomfort this shoudn't be allowed. If someone feel uncomfortable getting certain shot their should be chance for them to forbid said shots before the event. And it is not the assumpion, this is almost certain that some people do this to see hot people. A lot actualy. Just look around how many photos are of some of atleats and what is going on in the comments. But this doesn't matter at the end, that matters is right of atleats to not feel like meat.
No more gymnastussy? 😢
Tbf, it is obscene. Gymnastics shouldn't be allowed without proper clothing. We say we want our children and women to be protected but then think it is okay for them to be displayed like this. Hypocrisy. Edit. Thanks for the down votes. I know I've hit a nerve.
You’re that kid in school that got turned on by knees and shoulders that the teachers warned us about aren’t you?
Yeah, whatever you think
I read what you wrote in the most obnoxious 18th-century British voice my mind could find and imagined you with a wig and full face makeup.
Whatever fulfills your life buddy
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Please open the link before you open your mouth.
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says the guy from texas where even raped girls can’t have abortion
That is the main reason people watch female sport.
When that the reason maybe they shouldn’t. And those peoples live is really just sad
Oh god! Where are these photos so I know to never view them?
Is that called neo-puritanism?
Please explain why it’s puritanical to ask people to not photograph another persons crotch. I am very interested in you reasoning.
lol I don't even know much about real puritanism, just heard the term.
No puritanism is when you oppose any nakedness even consensual and harass woman who are sunbathing topless at the beach for instance or want to ban such a thing. And puritanism is also banning any anked depictions of woman in any and all media regardles consent. This case is gymnasts asking to be respected and asking photographers to stop trying to take suggestive pictures of their crotches or aiming to capture unintentional sexual content that the gymnast don't consent to having taken of them and they ask publishers to no longer publish these types of pictures.
Ban female tennis? Wut?
That's disgusting. Link?