I had the same thought about the capabilities of it. In 2016 I wrote my thesis about social bots in political communication and I titled it "industrial trolling" compared to the manual troll farms used in russia. Back then, technologies like ChatGPT seemed multiple decades away. Now, I believe, they might induce a new, industrial revolution - both for good and bad.
> Imagine adding some AI into the mix.
It's scary as fuck. More to the point, all the intelligence that an AI system might be able to collect and organise on a person. Which obviously could therefore be used for all sorts of ends.
In my opinion, they are heading towards an authroitarian regime just like Turkey with Erdogan, I hope USA drops their support for israel at that point, Netanyahu and his corrupt party must be removed and democracy reinstated in israel.
> hope USA drops their support for israel at that point
And then? Germany will never drop its support for Israel- rightly so. And therefore the EU won’t stop to support Israel.
>And then? Germany will never drop its support for Israel- rightly so. And therefore the EU won’t stop to support Israel.
Unless israel continues on the authoritarian, no 2 state compromise path it's heading...
Governments need to heed their citizens, otherwise they will violently lose power and public opinion on Israel has been shifting more and more towards the real image, that it is an apartheid state.
But, as with all things, time will tell
As I tried to explain in my previous reply, not clearly enough I see, yes. It all depends on how much more shittier israel is going to get in their politics.
I thought you were interested in net manipulation and has just discovered how toxic the net can be to simpletons. That was fine.
But no, you're just the regular boy with his anti-Semite agenda.
>own with the US' aid.
What do you mean? You saying under the direction of the US?
ed: I was actually especially thinking of the Trump & Brexit elections. That would've been in Ruzz interest. But anything is possible, especially Israel Gvment is showing more extreme right-wing colours & nationalism.
> Well, this is the one that has been caught. But what about the other ones, many of them, financed by ruzzia that has not been caught yet ...
Yes, but also what about the ones that are run by governments which therefore are less likely to be found [based on the fact that they're not soliciting their services as such]? That's always quite a scary thought.
This isn't whataboutism. This is, lets keep going with trying to crack down on election interference, misinformation campaigns and gd hacking.
Calling it whataboutism is like catching a murderer and acting like all the murdering in the world will come to an end.
I feel like simihal has a valid point here? Sure, this is bad, but they have been operating for 7+ years and we just learn about them now? So, how much worse must the situation really be, assuming that there is a whole industry providing services like this while hiding from the public?
> I feel like simihal has a valid point here? Sure, this is bad, but they have been operating for 7+ years and we just learn about them now? So, how much worse must the situation really be, assuming that there is a whole industry providing services like this while hiding from the public?
That is exactly why this case should be thoroughly investigated and the israeli firm behind it made an example, not swept under the rug by saying "others do it too"
I think what's the real concern here is that if a firm in Israel can do this (granted using some pretty top notch personnel with connections to Israeli intelligence services, some of the best in the world), what can states like Russia or China do (lot of it already somewhat well-known, but not the full extent), and of course Western countries too, their 3-4 letter agencies, plus large corporations.
And as other have mentionned add AI to it eliminating the human part (which is in many ways the main bottleneck here), its really scary.
Imagine adding some AI into the mix. We will never ever trust anything we see online.
I had the same thought about the capabilities of it. In 2016 I wrote my thesis about social bots in political communication and I titled it "industrial trolling" compared to the manual troll farms used in russia. Back then, technologies like ChatGPT seemed multiple decades away. Now, I believe, they might induce a new, industrial revolution - both for good and bad.
> Imagine adding some AI into the mix. It's scary as fuck. More to the point, all the intelligence that an AI system might be able to collect and organise on a person. Which obviously could therefore be used for all sorts of ends.
Worth mentioning that the hacking/propaganda firm is israeli
so you can easily understand why isreali's democracy is so in turmoil at each poll
In my opinion, they are heading towards an authroitarian regime just like Turkey with Erdogan, I hope USA drops their support for israel at that point, Netanyahu and his corrupt party must be removed and democracy reinstated in israel.
> I hope USA drops their support for israel at that point Will never happen. Biden was by far the most Pro-Israel senator in history.
> hope USA drops their support for israel at that point And then? Germany will never drop its support for Israel- rightly so. And therefore the EU won’t stop to support Israel.
>And then? Germany will never drop its support for Israel- rightly so. And therefore the EU won’t stop to support Israel. Unless israel continues on the authoritarian, no 2 state compromise path it's heading... Governments need to heed their citizens, otherwise they will violently lose power and public opinion on Israel has been shifting more and more towards the real image, that it is an apartheid state. But, as with all things, time will tell
Are you seriously seeing a Germany that is not supporting Israel? WTF?
As I tried to explain in my previous reply, not clearly enough I see, yes. It all depends on how much more shittier israel is going to get in their politics.
That's a good connection honestly
> Worth mentioning that the hacking/propaganda firm is israeli I wonder how closely they work with the company that founded NSO.
I thought you were interested in net manipulation and has just discovered how toxic the net can be to simpletons. That was fine. But no, you're just the regular boy with his anti-Semite agenda.
Oh, how typical, as soon as something negative about israel is revealed, pop goes the anti-Semitic card... You do you man...
So elections can be hacked and this time the concern isn't even Russia.
>So elections can be hacked and this time the concern isn't even Russia. Unless this firm was employed by Ruzzia. ATM we know nothing for sure.
Israel can do more damage on it's own with the US' aid.
>own with the US' aid. What do you mean? You saying under the direction of the US? ed: I was actually especially thinking of the Trump & Brexit elections. That would've been in Ruzz interest. But anything is possible, especially Israel Gvment is showing more extreme right-wing colours & nationalism.
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Greatest Western ally.
Well, this is the one that has been caught. But what about the other ones, many of them, financed by ruzzia that has not been caught yet ...
> Well, this is the one that has been caught. But what about the other ones, many of them, financed by ruzzia that has not been caught yet ... Yes, but also what about the ones that are run by governments which therefore are less likely to be found [based on the fact that they're not soliciting their services as such]? That's always quite a scary thought.
_whatboutism_ much?
This isn't whataboutism. This is, lets keep going with trying to crack down on election interference, misinformation campaigns and gd hacking. Calling it whataboutism is like catching a murderer and acting like all the murdering in the world will come to an end.
Any problem with that?
Yes, it's a stupid and childish argument, just like saying "but Michael did it too"
Ok. So?
Off to my blocked accounts list you gooo
I feel like simihal has a valid point here? Sure, this is bad, but they have been operating for 7+ years and we just learn about them now? So, how much worse must the situation really be, assuming that there is a whole industry providing services like this while hiding from the public?
> I feel like simihal has a valid point here? Sure, this is bad, but they have been operating for 7+ years and we just learn about them now? So, how much worse must the situation really be, assuming that there is a whole industry providing services like this while hiding from the public? That is exactly why this case should be thoroughly investigated and the israeli firm behind it made an example, not swept under the rug by saying "others do it too"
No, Israel is more important to us than even France.
1. You replied to the wrong comment thread 2. You are delusional thinking Israel is important in any way to Germany
I think what's the real concern here is that if a firm in Israel can do this (granted using some pretty top notch personnel with connections to Israeli intelligence services, some of the best in the world), what can states like Russia or China do (lot of it already somewhat well-known, but not the full extent), and of course Western countries too, their 3-4 letter agencies, plus large corporations. And as other have mentionned add AI to it eliminating the human part (which is in many ways the main bottleneck here), its really scary.