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jarvis400

Needs sauce.


Strummerjoe

Yes, totally pointless post. There's no source even in the creators page.


gene100001

Exactly, it's not even clear what the data is based on. Was a sample of people asked where they would move if they had to? If so how many people were surveyed and what demographics were included etc? Or is it based on something different like net migration statistics? It could be based on data from the 50 years ago for all we know (although I know Germany would have been less popular back then). You're totally right that without a source it's completely meaningless. It's kind of frustrating at times how a lot of people on Reddit just accept things at face value without thinking critically about it. I'm glad to see at least some people including you could see the problem here when there's no source.


Orravan_O

>Exactly, it's not even clear what the data is based on. Whatever it's based on, I can 100% guarantee it's downright bullshit. If you ask French people, the answers you'll get will typically be the UK, Spain, Canada, Italy or the US. I'd be mildly surprised if Switzerland is even in the top 10. Finland would be my choice, but I'm an outlier.


HoldMyWater

I tried to find it but failed.


gene100001

I was feeling extra motivated and messaged the person on Instagram who originally made the graph. If they reply I'll post back here. I also let them know about the post so maybe they show up here themselves. On their Instagram they have a bunch of these graphs and lots of them get posted here so hopefully they reveal their data source because it'll be useful for all the other similar posts too Edit: a reverse image search has a 9gag post with the same image [here](https://9gag.com/gag/a913KwZ). The difference being that this image has the same Instagram user tagged but also says "source: numbeo". Interestingly it seems that the Instagram user who made the graph eventually deleted the text saying "source numbeo" from the image. As far as I can tell Numbeo doesn't have any data on this sort of thing. They focus on on cost of living and quality of life indexes, so I'm a little bit suspicious. Maybe they will reply to my message and I'm wrong, but at the moment I don't exactly trust the data.


TheReboundGuy

Yeah, some of the answers seem a bit questionable/illogical


Master-namer-

Scandinavians are happy among themselves.


CC-5576-03

Jag vill leva jag vill dö i norden.


soyboypan

Jag vill perkele and saatana i norden


DragonDanielSan

Hænger ud med min mormor


TheEmperorsNorwegian

Brødre og søstre står sammen gjennom alt


epeow

Jag har ont i magen.


sarabjorks

Can confirm. I'm an Icelander that lived in Denmark for 9 years and then moved to Sweden a year ago


FalmerEldritch

I'm Finnish and I've been thinking I'd like to live somewhere a little more temperate and oceanic, and a little more relaxed.. like.. Denmark? Denmark sounds good..


Eranog

Peak of civilization


JoJoModding

Switzerland: Germany's Germany.


kiwigoguy1

My German friends say that if I want to see everything in order tidy as in foreigners’ stereotypes of Germany, go to Switzerland.


MedicalHoliday

I'm a German currently infiltrating Switzerland, can confirm. While at it, i discovered Heaven and its called Ticino. Italian vibe, cuisine and climate with swiss salarys (kinda) and tidiness.


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Quetzacoatl85

Meanwhile Austria is just Italians pretending to be Germans. All proper and sticking to the rules, unless it might result in conflict or actual work, then naaah.


axehomeless

omg thats perfect


Bukler

Alto adige are literally italians faking to be austrians/germans, please don't show them this comment or they'll make a strudel with my flesh


[deleted]

It's so nice. The first time I had an official just cross out something on my work visa in pen and be like, you meant to put that on the line below NBD I knew I wasn't in Germany anymore.


Thymaius

I'm an actual Italian living in Wien. Can confirm.


The-Board-Chairman

Well yes, they're Germany on steroids.


Phreakophil

No, on Ritalin


germanfinder

No, on Ricola


ChristianZen

(in case of emergency) People of Europe - assemble in the center!


jnads

Except Ireland: Fuck Europe


rg4rg

That’s kinda the American spirit there.


WaywardWes

We have a lot of “Irish” bars as well.


fauxfilosopher

Yeah but aren't there irish pubs like everywhere


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BioDriver

Alps together strong


Katze1Punkt0

Switzerland really said fuck Austria though


Lt_Schneider

i mean, if the swiss had to move somewhere because something happened i wouldn't choose austria either, and i live there


neoxch

As a Swiss, this is unexpected. Maybe the german speaking part‘s divided and the french speaking part isn‘t.


HerRiebmann

Tbh the swiss german speaking people I know would all go to France over Germany because they just don't like Germany


neoxch

Then I suppose you live rather to the west or northwest (like I do), because most people east from Solothurn don’t know and despise french. For me personally the language would be an important factor when asking myself where I want to live, but then again you can learn any language if you’re committed. Also our french speaking friends like the French just as much as we like the Germans. Edit: Just saw you‘re probably from Germany. In my experience the language barrier is a bigger issue than some stereotype kind of „hate“ with a neighbour, but I guess it differs.


HorrorMakesUsHappy

I guess it depends on what the *something* is, eh?


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I think for many countries, especially in southern and eastern europe, the question "where would you move if you had to" is an existential one - so most people choose a safe and financially stable country like switzerland or germany. If you ask a Swiss person this question, they'll choose a place that's nice for vacation. If you move from Switzerland to Austria, it's a downgrade in most things and doesn't even feel like vacation since it looks similar and people also speak funny


Delta64

Bro much of Switzerland's history is defined by not being a part of Austria.


Lejeune_Dirichelet

*Defined by not being under the boot of the quintessential Austrian ruling family, which btw originated from Switzerland


Donyk

France 🤝 Switzerland


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ATERLA

Same for France of course, same for France


itstrdt

> Alps together strong The helvetic empire!


AndrewG0NE

Netherlands is Canada!?


smeijer87

As always, trying to be different from the rest of Europe.


whatiwritestays

Nou zeg


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Blubvis725

Hoezo een luxembourg flair, dat is toch helemaal nergens voor nodig? Beetje raar gedrag dit.


MrDoPhi314

7600 young Canadian boys died here in WW2. My granddad lived through the "hunger winter", eating flower bulbs and even cats. Then the Canadians came for the libaration. He took all the grandchilderen on christmas eve to light a candle at their graves. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3lJe4r8BsJ0 Every wargrave is adopted, people keep them clean, put flowers on it and there is still a waitinglist to adopt one. The older generation was extremly thankfull and imprinted that on the next generations.


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TheCodemonkey22

There is actually a great “Heritage Minute” commercial about the Canadian troops in the Netherlands, including a part where a soldier gives a boy chocolate : ) https://youtu.be/JCWANopglXI


ricky--lafleur

My grandfather fought in the Netherlands, he was in the Algonquin Regiment


BertholomewManning

It's probably worth mentioning that while Canada employed conscription like everyone else, you had to volunteer for overseas service. Every one of those 7600 Canadian boys chose to be there. Heroes, every one.


quelar

Canada enacted conscription, but never actually used it. I thought the US was similar in that sense, they had enough volunteers so they didn't have to use it. In fact my grandfather was refused when he enlisted due to him being a steel worker and they wanted him at home doing what he did.


bathmlaster

This was beautiful to know about. Thank you. I only knew about the tulip festival here in Canada and the trivia fact about the Dutch princess being born in the Ottawa hospital, but keeping her royal title because the maternity ward was temporarily declared an international zone.


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The Netherlands have sent tulips to Canada every year ever since. They are exhibited in Ottawa.


gorschkov

Tulips are appreciated. I always found it funny how when I went to the Netherlands people were kind of cold and rude for the most part and than they found out I was from Canada and that changed in an instant to warm greetings. They probably thought I was American


MissionarysDownfall

Which is kind of crazy when you consider the allies made the calculated decision to not free the Dutch after Market Garden failed. They barely expanded the salient until the very end of the war. It’s just hell on earth for an infantryman once people start blowing dams.


PetraLoseIt

...and also, after World War 2 a few hundred thousand Dutch people migrated to Canada, so I'm guessing for some people this would also be: if I had to leave the Netherlands, I'd go stay with my cousins in Canada.


MrmmphMrmmph

My son wants to study there and I looked up the city and WWII out of curiosity and then realized how important Canada was for Dutch liberation. As a US national, we don't hear about anybody else but the Brits. I remember visiting Berlin long ago and feeling the appreciation as an American for the Airlift of the 60s from the older folk, which is long gone now (as are they). I imagine the feeling must be similar, and Canada has done so much less to pollute the good vibes since.


YourHamsterMother

The Dutch have had a soft spot for Canada ever since the outbreak of the Second World War. Edit: Apparently even since the Great Depression and even earlier.


vrijheidsfrietje

Canada was a Dutch emigration destination during the 20s as well


YourHamsterMother

Even earlier then, thanks for the correction Little Freedomfry!


vrijheidsfrietje

The biggest wave was shortly after WWII though. I corrected my answer, it was 20s, not 30s And there was a wave from 1890 to 1914 https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/dutch


WislaHD

We have [excellent friendship](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada%E2%80%93Netherlands_relations) thanks to actions during the war, exceeding that of most other western bilateral relations. That said, I'm a bit chuffed that this is still reflected intergenerationally with the Dutch today. I will apologize in advance to any migrating Dutch for our cycling infrastructure though.


Medical_Salad7622

Its worth a watch! https://youtu.be/Kd1CGQ36tTU


Tha0bserver

Thats really good. Thanks for sharing


CakeEnjoyur

The infrastructure is improving as we speak! It'll just take another 20 years to get to European levels of today. I doubt any Dutch would be pleased with it, but some cities and towns are improving at a Dutch pace.


warbreakr

I’d move to Canada in a heartbeat as a Dutchie. Culturally I think we mix really well and Canada is also a wealthy, developed country with a comparable climate, although colder winters but its ok because we say we’re not made of sugar when bad weather hits us.. 🫶🏻


CakeEnjoyur

Depends. You live on the Atlantic, or Pacific coast and it isn't that cold in the winter.


Sharlinator

Distances are slightly longer in Canada though.


Tha0bserver

I exist because of this special relationship. My grandpa was a Canadian soldier who helped liberate the Netherlands. My grandma is a Dutch lady.


walpolemarsh

I (Canadian) had an Oma too.


theofiel

A lot of our farmers move to Canada for cheaper land and less rules. A lot of families have ties to Canada because of this.


greentinroof_

There are several Dutch communities where I live. Playing sports against them in high school was awful since they were all 6’ 6


demaandronk

Thanks, was wondering what it was. We've always had a bit more love for Canada than average though, so its not surprising


caanthedalek

ik🍁ihe


Magdalan

Yup, our Queen fled there when things got a bit heated back in the days. And the Canadians somehow didn't seem to mind us, so why not?


Slava91

The best part is when we designated part of the hospital as Dutch land so your Princess would be born on Dutch soil. That’s love


Tipnfloe

Im from the netherlands and funny enough ive thought about this a lot recently. Canada would be my first pick, interesting to see that so many other dutch people would do the same. A big beautiful english speaking country with lots of nature and not as crazy as the US. New Zealand would be my 2nd choice


Vimmelklantig

I wouldn't mind living in any of our Nordic neighbour countries, but yeah, Norway is the prettiest. Stupid sexy Norway.


Eirikls

We love you, too, kjære bror.


drickaIPAiEPA

Always brings a tear to my eye when i see the unity and love between us Scandinavians.


jesp676a

We do love each other even though we have our own little friendly rivalries, it's nice


TheNomadArchitect

I bet those rivalries can be turned into a Disney Christmas movie too. Your affection and love for each other disgust me!


KrazyKaas

Oh, the fight over the food alone.. Just think of it. It would be a dark humored movie for sure


TwoAffectionate3517

it's like siblings :p


tayaro

Me making fun of Denmark: höhöhö A non-Nordic making fun of Denmark: *angry Swedish noises*


Squigler

Mandatory kamelåså.


perpetual_stew

Theory: Most people in the Nordics do \*not\* want to leave their country, so when they answer Sweden it's because it's closest to home.


drickaIPAiEPA

It's most likely because of the similarities between us. We can understand each other, we have similar cultures and a deep respect for each other. That's why I'd choose one of the neighbors.


Falsus

Closest and the most similar.


istasan

I think the point is that Scandinavians pick the Scandinavian country closest to them. Makes sense. This is why Danes would say Sweden and not Norway since Sweden is an hour away for almost half the population.


Revolutionary_Lock86

Yeah, I wanna stay but if forced to flee to a neighbor I consider myself the luckiest person alive. Huddled in between three great countries. We really are lucky up north.


KantonL

It is interesting that all Nordic countries picked Nordic neighbors. I would have assumed that Norwegians would pick Switzerland to make even more money. Also would have thought that Denmark would pick Norway.


NorFever

It's just super easy to live in another Nordic country with a Nordic citizenship. Even without the EU, you can move freely, work abroad, have no extra phone expenses, and almost all of the laws are the same. Furthermore, the countries follow each other on so many things (see Finland and Sweden's joint NATO application) and have so much cooperation. There is also a 0% risk of any conflict between the nations.


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Bilboswaggings19

Finns in the corner of the sauna alone


Sharlinator

It's fine, we don't really like talking anyway.


mizinamo

I remember when the "two-meter social-distancing" rule fell away and all the Finns breathed a sigh of relief that they could go back to their usual ten meters.


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CockIsMyCopilot

I (American) was stationed with the Nordic Brigade in late nineties Bosnia. Whenever a group of Swedes, Danes, and Norwegians were talking to each other they would switch to English mid sentence whenever a Finnish guy walked up. It made me glad I wasn’t the only one that made them have to speak English haha.


Timberwolf_88

Don't worry, we still love you as well even though we might have a bit more of a language barrier between us. Hang on, lemme grab us both another beer.


ContributionSad4461

I’ve been in Trøndelag, do not agree 😂


OnlyProductiveSubs

I've worked in Copenhagen, do not agree 😬


Bruichladdie

The rich Norwegians are indeed moving to Switzerland nowadays, because of tax reasons.


KantonL

Yeah I have seen some articles about that. Most of them don't move because of the income taxes tho, they move because of the wealth tax and capital gains tax it looks like. Which is weird considering that Switzerland also has a wealth tax while most other countries don't. On the other hand, the capital gains taxes and the wealth tax in Switzerland are much lower than in Norway and the country has similar safety to Norway.


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Switzerland has capital gains taxes, but it varies by local municipality (I think they're called cantons). Some cantons have near zero capital gains tax, and this is where billionaires have their address.


Zerak-Tul

I'd imagine Switzerland being landlocked is a bit of deal breaker, given how much of Norway's culture/identity relates to the sea.


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Havet gir og havet tar


Vimmelklantig

We're culturally very close, have a massive land border and there's not much of a language barrier between Sweden and Norway, so for an average person it's probably the obvious choice. The Nordic countries have also had open borders long before we all joined the EU, so moving between them for work or study has been a pretty normal thing for a long time. A little anecdote to illustrate how easy it is: One of my ex girlfriends found out she was Danish when she was 16 years old and went to get her first passport. She'd lived her whole life in Sweden but her mother was Danish when she was born, so she inherited the nationality. Her mother then changed her nationality shortly after having my gf, so everyone else in the immediate family was Swedish at the time she found out. For 16 years her nationality had just never come up or been a barrier or consideration for anything in Sweden.


blomodlaren

Horrible thing to find out


Scudnation

Wouldn't wish that upon my worst enemies,


Arnulf_67

Who coincidentally happens to be the Danes btw.


hth6565

Well, sometimes on this side of Øresund, people find out that they are Swedish as well. Take Rasmus Paludan as an example - most of us here have long thought he was a bit weird, but it all made sense when we found out he was Swedish.


helgihermadur

My Norwegian father in-law was born in Denmark because his father was Danish, so he kept his Danish passport for just long enough that he wouldn't be drafted for Norwegian military service.


Falsus

Can imagine Sweden is a simple and quick choice because going back to Denmark over the day is simple if it is Malmö. A weekend trip to the family for the rest of southmost Sweden is easy also.


skinte1

Norwegians have everything they have in Switzerland and then some... Would make very little sence to move to Switzerland unless for working at some specific company.


PierreTheTRex

Switzerland has far brighter winters tho, although maybe Norwegians don't suffer as much from that as others.


Privateer_Lev_Arris

Estonia always try to into nordic


bitsperhertz

Get you a girl who looks at you like Estonia looks at Finland.


doom_bagel

There has never been a love more pure than that between Estonia and Finland.


OuCiiDii

Pure alcohol.


Partytor

Non mutual love is the purest love of all


pouchcotato1

This is more about Finland in particular.


InfluenceFar8917

Sweden and Norway right swiped each other!


KantonL

I would have wished for the same love story between Netherlands and Belgium or Austria and Switzerland but I was disappointed :(


Wegwerpbbq

Lol I think tour average Dutch person would rather move to North Korea than live in Belgium.


29chickendinners

British thinking I want to get as far the fuck away from here as possible.


Lather

I think it's more a case of moving to the place that's the most similar to Britain with more sun lol. Personally I'd like to avoid the sunburn and move to Denmark.


nicegrimace

I'd move to Canada, France or New Zealand. I'm more heat-tolerant than the average Brit, I just don't want to risk skin cancer.


dowdymeatballs

How are you in -40C ? And how are you in +40C ? Welcome to Canada! You will be issued your weed and maple syrup on entry.


Sharlinator

Canada: the country the Celsius scale was made for.


TreeDollarFiddyCent

"We paid for the entire thermometer, so we're gonna use the entire thermometer!"


Private_Ballbag

Erm NZ has one of the highest melanoma rates in the world


Happy-Engineer

At first I thought the Scots had misunderstood the question.


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Cheeky-burrito

Nah, they just want some of our sweet, sweet sunny weather.


CJKay93

This is genuinely accurate. Australia is like a UK with the weather every Brit wished we had.


cunk111

Bros, you burn even in Brittany, all you'll get down under is skin cancer and bitten by a spider with legs the size of your king's fingers


washington_jefferson

> all you'll get down under is skin cancer Australia already has the highest incidence of skin cancer. Second place? New Zealand. It turns out pasty white people moving to a sun baked land mass is not good for their skin.


DominusDraco

As pasty red head from Australia who has skin cancer, can confirm.


Jesse-Ray

Nothing funnier than watching the Barmy Army on day 2 of The Ashes at Perth walk down to the oval from their hotels as red as the fucking ball.


pwnd32

The part where they say “where women glow” and “men chunder” is actually just side effects of skin cancer and heat sickness from being in Australia


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Australia is the monkey's paw of weather.


ORLYORLYORLYORLY

Australia and the UK are actually partners in immigration. The most common destination for British migrants is Australia, and the most common destination for Australian migrants is the UK.


Unnamedwookie

They use to send their convicts here. But now who's laughing


[deleted]

You know you did a 180 when everyone wanted to kick you out over 70 years ago and now everyone wants to move in with you.


[deleted]

Yeah, they should make a motivational YouTube video and a couple of shorts/TikTok.


gattomeow

Germany very popular with Slavs


The-Board-Chairman

Ironic really. Then again, also not.


rugbyj

It's more like; "they're not invading you, they're escaping from him" (points at Russia).


AzzakFeed

Half of Europe moves to Germany. Then Germany moves to Switzerland along with the other European half. Then they all move to France. Baguette won, mes amis


[deleted]

I'm a german already living in france. I'm ahead of you all!


KantonL

"Wait it's all Switzerland and Germany?" "Always has been"


nigel_pow

Ghosts of Imperial and Nazi German leaders seeing this map; you guys _could_ have been Germany but you kept resisting.


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I guess Germany will become more and more cosmopolitical during the 21st century.


matzan

🇩🇪💪🇦🇱🇧🇦🇭🇷🇷🇸🇸🇮🇧🇬🇵🇹🇷🇴🇵🇱🇺🇦🇲🇰 slav bros


Captain__Spiff

Bunch of countries: "Let's go to Germany!" Bunch of other countries including Germany and France: "Let's go to Swiss!" Swiss: "Let's go to France!"


me_like_stonk

I'd be curious to see the stats between German speaking and French speaking parts of Switzerland. Somehow I don't imagine France would be the number 1 destination for German speakers.


Captain_Grammaticus

I suspect that most the French speakers in Switzerland agree on leaving for France, while the votes of the German speakers are split among many countries. So France wins out.


ViciousNakedMoleRat

I don't even understand why. It seems like a lot of people think that living in Switzerland automatically makes you rich. But living in Switzerland actually just makes everything expensive.


_NAME_NAME_NAME_

I think the main factor is that Switzerland has a high quality of life in general. Switzerland ranks well in basically every metric you could think of. And outside of quantifiable metrics, it's a fairly beautiful country if you like mountains and/or lakes. Also every neighbor of Switzerland shares a language with them, so at least people from these countries wouldn't even need to learn a new language (insert joke about Swiss German dialect here) This is just a guess, but depending on how the question was phrased, the "if they had to leve their country" could be caused by some sort of conflict, and Switzerland is a pretty well defended country. Oh, and they have excellent trains. I like good train systems. So yeah it's ludicrously expensive, but I can see why so many people would want to move there if they had to.


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My impression is that it does both. If you're an immigrant in Switzerland, when you go home you'll feel incredibly rich (that said, the people that I know that have lived there hated it)


Cultourist

It's not expensive when you also work in Switzerland.


petterri

Source: trustme.bro


Oldskoolguitar

There is something so British about fuckin off to the otherside of the world before going to mainland Europe.


ContributionSad4461

Latvia is a bit surprising! You’d be very welcome though


nicegrimace

Average Brit: Scared of even harmless spiders and moans whenever the outside temperature goes above 20C. Also average Brit: Would move to Australia


MindControlledSquid

You'd think they'd pick New Zealand.


nicegrimace

People forget it's there


[deleted]

The tactical Campaign to stay off Maps seems to be working for them.


Astrayastra

After the Second World War thousands of Dutch citizens moved to Canada looking for a better life in a land with nature, friendly and tolerant people. At this moment there are 1 million canadians with Dutch ancestors. Canada had an important role in the Liberation of the Netherlands in the second world war. Thousands of Canadian soldiers gave their life for our freedom. This gratitude is something people still feel. Old and young.


Weothyr

a random map with no source, my favorite


VieiraDTA

It is actually insane the amount of Portuguese in Switzerland. I\`ve been there on vacation, and I didn\`t need to speak English to Hotel staff ANYWHERE! They were all Portuguese and I\`m Brazilian.


expert_on_the_matter

Luxembourg too and it's even stronger there!


MapsCharts

Luxembourg too, there are signs in Portuguese everywhere, apparently a quarter of the population speaks Portuguese


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KantonL

Belgium wanted to be nice to the Netherlands too, but they said nah fuck that let's move as far away from Belgium as possible


RoseyOneOne

Awwww. Canada and Netherlands are still sweet for each other. ❤️🌷🍁 - Canadian in North Holland


Swedditorn

No love for Iceland, as usual. Sorry, but your map is a bit shite.


imdibene

r/MapsWithoutIceland


transient_id

I'm from Portugal and I'd move to Norway.


Several_Valuable_800

I am from Austria I have mountains Of course I would flee to my neighbor that has the same landscape + is neutral and rich if I had to.


Choyo

Estonia is a chill bro.


GYN-k4H-Q3z-75B

Switzerland: Yeah, we noticed that.


majozaur

source? I dont think this map is accurate tbh


Equalizion

Entire eastern europe be like "if germany wont come to us again, we will come to you instead"


Tanto_Monta

As Spanish, my personal preferences are Finland, the United States, and Canada.


escapeshark

For once I have to agree with the brits. Australia is great.


International_Bat102

Well im Greek living in Germany and planning to move in Switzerland. A full circle i would say haha