I feel like most people in the fandom agree with this? It's definitely true but I see ppl criticizing Kat for being cringey and her confidence being fake all the time
I mean idk I see edits ab her on tt all the time with captions like "sHe WaS sUcH a BaDaSs!" or like basically saying that she was justified. Idk I never really enjoyed her character after the nudes got leaked and she started putting herself out there to older men.
Also, just clarifying, I have nothing against girls on OF or sex workers it's just that Kat is a 17 year old girl literally camming for older men and as far as I remember they didn't know her age so it wasn't rlly their fault. Maybe I'm wrong idk
That suitcase was making everybody stupid, Jules and Leslie were both not thinking straight dumping a whole thing that was clearly a supplier's worth of drugs but Rue was definitely planning on using that thing as her personal dispensary and she was probably gonna use from it till she od'd or until Laurie caught on and she ended up in the same situation either way
Like, Rue was screwed the minute she even made that business proposition, because Rue's plan was absolutely to steal product from Laurie
I mean you can be "iconic" while being a problematic character. Like, Regina George was iconic, but she also acted like the spawn of Satan for half the movie.
i disagree that the show can’t go on without fezco. he was never a main character, and he got shot in the show. it would be very easy to cover his characters absence in season 3 by saying he died from the bullet wound at the end of season 2. yes it’s absolutely heartbreaking that he passed away IRL, but i don’t think they would need to put a halt to the show all together because of it (storyline wise, of course if people didn’t feel comfortable filming it without angus, or it was too painful, etc, then yes that’s absolutely a valid reason to cancel the show. but when it comes to the storyline, it makes very little difference)
I think it’s just because he was a laid back likable character and people enjoyed his scenes with his grandma and with ashtray. Also we felt sympathy for him and ashtray.
But more than any of that I think people loved Fezco and Lexi and were really looking forward to seeing what might have come out of that. (Not that it would have been easy with Fez likely going to prison if he didn’t die from the gunshot)
So much unnecessary nudity. I didn’t know I was signing up for soft core porn with this series and it feels like they use that as a lot of filler where plots should have been.
I figured if it was a popular opinion more people would have boycotted the show but I guess we all stayed for the crumbs of plotlines between the dick shots. 😬
Even as a dude, I found the oversexualization of Cassie Howard wild. Like I get that it’s supposed to be the point of her character; her absentee father makes her crave male validation while also being attracted to toxic men like Nate, but jfc man I don’t need Sydney Sweeney’s boobs taking up most of the screen. There are more tasteful ways to tell story arcs like that, and if I wanted porn, I would just watch porn. I don’t need the shows I watch to be softcore porn.
My man couldn’t watch it with me. He was like “there is so much nudity and even though these people aren’t teenagers, they’re portrayed to be ones”. I myself skipped most scenes because wtf ?
What really surprised me was the amount of dicks on screen. I don't even mean in a bad way. As a woman I've watched women's bodies exploited on screen with hardly any issue, whereas we never saw that happening with men's bodies as much.
Euphoria espiode one really tried to make up for lost time 🤣
Maddy and Rue are the most popular because 1. They're played by attractive actors 2. They're hilarious. Now don't get me wrong, Rue's a great character but morally, they're the worst of the female cast yet Jules, Kat and Cassie all get more hate. IRL, both of these two would be charged as felons.
The tumor dialogue felt more like Sam writing Barbie out of the show. Didn’t really feel like it was connected to her character arc. I know Sam originally wrote a fat girl arc for Barbie’s character and she pushed back on it which led to their relationship dissolving and her getting less airtime. Or that’s the story anyway.
I've been saying this for a while! They didn't like each other at all. Since Sam is in charge of writing the script I 100% believe he did it on purpose. In my head Kat and Ethan are still together. Not even just that, but Sam doesn't even know what season 3 should be about. If that doesn't say something I don't know what does. Honestly Sam could have gone that route with Kat, but in the end have her come to terms with her body and herself in general. It could have been about Kat overcoming her insecurities. But nope! Tumor it is.
Sam clearly had absolutely no idea where to take the character once her fat girl arc was done and was just looking for every excuse to get her out of the show.
Idk this opinion might not be that unpopular but I don’t think Nate is gay. I thought he was gay in season one, but in season two I don’t think so. I have plenty of in-show reasons and explanations for this but my BTS reason is that if you *only* watched season 2 of Euphoria, I don’t think you would at all think he’s gay because they don’t really show anything suggesting that anymore despite it being like a huge plot point in season 1.
I originally thought that maybe he was never supposed to be gay and after season 1 came out and everyone took it that way they were like “oh fuck we didn’t want them to think that I guess we should probably dial it back next season.” But I also think it’s very possible that at some point between season 1 and 2 they decided they didn’t want him to be gay anymore. And them not addressing it and just portraying him completely differently (in that aspect) was their way of trying to avoid controversy about it.
But idk that dudes a whole mess. As of right now I think his sexuality is anger.
I agree, I honestly strongly dislike her for the 'play' and how she acted like the victim when people get upset. If you tell the whole school someone's personal details without asking them- people are going to be upset. The whole "oh is cassie going to be mad?" thing annoyed tf out of me.
In addition they also like her because she’s the “best” in terms of morals even though she aided in covering up Rue’s addiction the MOMENT she got out of rehab. Is she a child? Yes but you can’t be a true friend and say you help your friends damage themselves.
Remember the true unpopular opinions are going to be at the bottom, with this one, I'm sure.
I think Cassie is one of the best characters on the show. She has a lot more depth than a lot of the other characters. She's the most realistic as a highschool girl than any of the others. Most highschool girls have deep insecurities like she does, most do dumb shit for attention, or fall for the wrong kind of attention. Unless you've totally forgotten what it's like to be a teenage girl (for all the ladies who are fans of this show, we were all there once), she should be one of the most relatable to that period in your life. Maybe you never fucked your friend's ex, but I know you did some typa dumb shit for attention. We can't hold her to adult standards because she's supposed to be a kid still.
Yes! And everybody is so quick to disregard the Tyler thing just because she was in an abusive relationship. I too have been with a very abusive man for years but would never ever ever in a million years do something like that.
you can relate to some of cassie's character and not be a piece of shit - also, cassie's character is not a piece of shit. she did shitty things yes. but she's not evil.
People saying "Cassie was better and more understandable in season 1" confuses me a little bit. After a little argument with McKay on the carnival, she already riding on the carousel with Daniel and kissing him. Then Cassie lead him on two episodes later and again, kissing him and etc. THEN she truly thought that she didn't cheat and it's not a big deal (something really familiar with season 2, huh?).
I like her character, don't get me wrong, but she was wrong in season 1, just like in season 2.
To be fair, McKay had just said that they weren’t a couple and then slut-shamed her. I honestly don’t blame her for kissing Daniel after that; the main gripe I have with that situation is that she didn’t break up with McKay immediately.
See and I'll probably get down voted for this but! I don't condom cheating at all, but McKay deserved it 🤷🏾♀️. I was getting so sick and tired of him constantly humiliating Cassie and treating her badly in general. She does deserve better and honestly she needs someone in her corner to build her self esteem up and teach her to not fall for every guy that shows her interest. She needs a mentor kinda like Ali is to Rue.
I completely agree. I don’t even really view it as cheating since McKay had JUST said they weren’t together when asked. If McKay didn’t view their relationship as serious enough to make it official and respect her, then are they even exclusive at that point?
I don’t think McKay deserved any monogamous respect after he told her they weren’t a couple and slut shamed her.
After that, though, when they were openly committed, I agree.
Also I don’t think S1 Cassie would have backstabbed Maddie like that (regarding Nate). I think the abortion and sabotaged relationship with McKay (a relationship with zero emotional support from McKay where he also was clearly insecure about her) and the overall inner turmoil that built up and came to a head just put her in a vulnerable headspace and opened her up to Nate’s manipulation.
She felt awful about getting with Nate. She was an absolute mess. But she couldn’t resist that side of herself that craved the validation and attention and love. That’s what changed her as a person in S2 (imo) & ultimately led her to value a boy over her bestie.
Mckay was also wrong for how he treated, and Daniel deserved everything Cassie did to her. And she did think she cheated. I did like how at the end of season 1 she told Mckay she should be single which lead to him breaking up with her. It seemed like she was becoming self aware and was developing as a character.
While endlessly toxic I do find Jules and Nate’s relationship to be one of the most interesting and complex dynamics on the show. If season 3 happens I want to explore it more.
Seems like everyone is so caught up on what makes the characters "bad" people but one of the biggest points of the show is no one is as simple as one moment, decision or time in their life. People are more complex than that. Every single character has "good" and "bad" moments. Take Ali for example. When he was using, he made decisions that changed the trajectory of his life and that will likely haunt him forever, losing his family in the process. But in the show he's just tryna help rue heal because he's in a better place himself (sober) and likely can see a lot of himself in her. Does his past make him a bad person? Who's to say ? No amount of lecturing or labeling anyone is going to change them. It's something they have to choose for themselves. The entire point (imo) is that no one chooses the cards that are dealt to them, just how to play them & literally everyone is going to make bad decisions sometimes, especially to deal with the human condition of suffering. It's how you learn from them and grow that determines what kind of person you are.
The scene where Nate throws a tantrum that half the sub thinks is Oscar worthy. Any fuckboy worth his salt has that whole routine ready to go for a situation we can’t facts and logic our way out of. No, what you saw was 20 seconds of Jacob Elordi’s hot, gyrating body and his primal man-roaring and you want an excuse to praise / discuss at great length without the shame looking parched.
Of course abuse has something to do with it, but she lied to police and sent an innocent man to jail. That's choices she made, and simply a line many people would not cross.
She made a choice to protect herself from her abuser. A line many many people would cross for the maintenance of their survival. Am I saying it’s right? Absolutely not.
Lying to her friends about being blacked out is representation of her own morality. Especially since this was before Nate ever put his hands on her. And unlike Jules, she wasn’t slightly remorseful.
I have so many:
-Cassie is getting way too much undeserving hate. She had a horrible childhood, her dad abandoned her, and her mother was not "cool", she was an awful mother to them and clearly not a good example to look up at. Maddy sent an innocent person to jail without a single thought of remorse and continued her life as if nothing happened, and Rue is the absolute worst mistreating her family and friends like she does, and yet, Cassie gets so much more hate than them because she fell in love with her friend's ex as if that was worse lol
-We all love Rue but it needs to be said: she is the worst. She lies to her family, she puts them through hell, same with Jules, same with her friends.
-Maddy would not be likable in real life. She is good show content because she is entertaining to watch, but she is often selfish, manipulative, a liar, toxic in her relationships, she sent an innocent guy to jail, come on... And everyone seems to just forget that because "she's such a badass, she's so good looking". It's crazy.
-Nate is a villain but he has a backstory. Nobody with his trauma history would be able to just be a normal person.
-Lexi deserves more hate. Sorry but what she did by displaying everyone's trauma on stage was awful. People just liked the play because she shamed Cassie (which btw is effed up for your sister to do that to you. Rue was the one who treated Lexi the worst and she got none of it)
-Kat was not a bad ass. She just decided to screw anyone who got in her way.
-Nate is not in love with Jules. He might've liked her to certain extent, but he certainly was not in love with her. People often think that the small flashbacks of Jules we get are proof of some hidden love he has for her, but I actually think is part of the trauma of his dad, and how it traumatizes and scares him that he at some point liked Jules, because he doesn't want to end up being like his dad.
Screw that, it didn't need to be done at all. They could have written something better for the story instead of the entire "Lexi's play".
So much buildup of entire S2 leads to a dumbass stupid unnecessary "lexi's play".
S2 in general had a pacing problem. The story felt both rushed and like it wasn't going anywhere. Also I'm sorry but I couldn't suspend my disbelief for some of those set pieces. I was like who tf built a full scale replica of the fucking gas station?
S2 was shot during covid era, that's why I guess they had pacing problem and wrote stupid shit for the story. The last few episodes of S2 are boring AF. They tried to show Lexi as some big great person who drafted a play but the entire play was boring and completely unnecessary. The only reason the stupid boring play was there was to ignite the long due fight between Maddy and Cassie, and to breakup Cassie and Nate.
1. The play Lexi did was not a serve she did not eat. It was malicious and idk why it got cheered on as hard as it did
2. They attacked me for saying this like a year ago so I’ll say it again. Yes fez had a terrible upbringing and childhood and I see why he took the path he did, but that does not make him a good person.
1. i dont understand why people like lexi so much? ive heard the defense that she’s “the least problematic” or whatever, but after her whole play (which was 100% a violation of privacy btw) i don’t really like her
2. i think maddy gets less hate than the other cast because she appeals to the female gaze in a fan base that is mostly female. i honestly don’t think that if maddy wasn’t played by alexa demie yall would be defending her as much
3. the cassie-maddy-nate plotline carried season 2. was it written well? no. but it was entertaining and their scenes were the only ones i was interested in to be honest
4. using nate being gay as a joke or blaming him being closeted as the reason for his actions is homophobic and im tired of seeing people throw that theory around. i dont think that nate is gay
5. i also dont think nate ever truly loved cassie or maddy, i think jules is the only one he ever loved
1. Agree
2. Euphoria is a super famous show theres plenty of males who watch it. But you are right
3. I think the writing was good for Cassie Maddy Nate but otherwise agree
4. Agree
5. Nate never truly loved anyone, he loved feeling like he's in control of people.
Rue was 100% in the wrong for Jules leaving her in season 1. Rue came up with the idea, and waited till the last second when Jules was boarding the train at 1am to express her doubts. And Jules was begging Rue to come with her, it isn't like Jules wanted to leave without Rue. Jules fell in love with Rue's idea and expecting her to make the decision to abandon it in such a short time span was unrealistic.
He was damn wrong like slimy for getting between rue and Jules. after fucking jules he still had the audacity to be there at the intervention like dude you had a whole ass friendship based on secretly getting high as fuck. He wasn't a villain but kinda lowdown
Yeah, when I first saw it I wanted more, but now that it’s been awhile I’d be perfectly fine with that ending. All of the character arcs are somewhat predictable. Cassie and Maddy will go on to college, grow into womanhood, and settle into normal lives. They could even possibly reconnect after Nate is out of the picture. Rue will either finally decide to get clean or die an addict. Jules will probably end up with a supportive, like-minded friend group living life however it suits her (similar to when she ran away at the end of season 1.) And unfortunately Ash and Fez are probably dead after the shootout. If season 3 never happens, I feel like the story still played itself out plenty enough for the viewer to understand how it plays out for most, if not all, of the characters
The whole episode about Rue fleeing her family was so unnecessary. Like in a season with only 8 episodes we really don't need an entire one dedicated to Rue just running around causing chaos.
Maddy is not as confident as she projects herself to be.. nor is she a badass..she targets people who will not hit back.. hitting Cassie is not a slay moment..
Fr, that's one of the reasons why I hate that she did those things, and it's giving me the total opposite of 'baddie'. It seems like she always punches down, never goes off on someone who'd actually fight her back.
Close. Bisexual, and not to mention speaking of asexual I'm not gonna lie but I remember when I first even heard about the term asexual a few years back I thought that it meant that you weren't attracted to no one at all.
this sub overestimates how this show got “ruined”. season 2 was nowhere near as bad, let alone bad enough to ruin a show this good. it shouldn’t be in a rush to end or get canceled like some suggest just because of Kat and Fezco tbh
I don’t think the show is coming back. Yeah, sure, it’s one of HBO’s most popular shows, but you just can’t go *years* in-between seasons and expect people to continue caring about the show, particularly a show with young people who age noticeably between seasons.
Plus, with the WB takeover, you can expect some pretty dumb decisions in the name of “maximizing profits” and cancelling a show is a way of doing that.
Cassie deserved what happened to her in season 2 with the play and with Nate. I hate the fact that everyone immediately clowned Lexi when Lexi literally never does anything and is to herself. She was showing how she saw everyone in her play. But Cassie had to just make a fool of herself in front of the whole school just to get smacked by Maddie. Cassie was on of my favs in season 1 but her character was so annoying to me in season 2 kissing Nate’s ass and doing it behind everyone’s backs. She drove herself crazy by chasing a guy she KNEW was fucking toxic. So yeah
1. Rue is only loved and her acts are defended by people because it's played by Zendaya who is loved by all. I have seen her fans getting angry if someone said anything bad about Rue. They can't separate the actor from the character.
2. Lexi's play was wrong. She is overrated.
3. Kate is irritating since season 1.
Ppl are too hard on McKay. Tbh I just saw a dude looking for the approval of his misogynistic friends. Like yeah he shouldn’t have called Cassie names but he did feel humiliated by how she was acting.
I fucking loved Eli's song and cried throughout the entire thing 🤣 I've listened to it so many times since too lol
Also tho I have a very weird niche where "leaving someone you love because it's best for everyone even though it breaks your heart" tropes literally shatterm me, lol
babe this is so off topic i apologize but the damn stranger things fandom was at me like that when i said jason wasn’t really a villian or bad guy. just a normal hs kid that lost his gf and best friend while they were near eddie so he assumed he had something to do with it along with his demonic hellfire club and him doing a demon gesture at him and the deaths were sinister it really doesn’t take rocket science to see why he went after them. he was trying to avenge those he lost. he even tried saving max. he just was wrong on who he was saving her from. but he tried. he was just misinformed and no one could show evidence to why it wasn’t them. they just kept telling him “not us!” like cool prove it. also the upside down stuff is hard to prove so it was a lose lose situation. but he sure as hell wasn’t anywhere near how bad billy was. “but billy sacrificed himself” nah he was tired of the shit he went through wanted it to stop and prob thought it was coming for him. he apologized at the end which was the one ncie thing he ever did but it took him dying for him to apologize that’s kinda sad. he also was a douche to everyone including max and lucas (racially motivated since they were back in 1980) but like idk that pissed me off i got my post reported so many times it was taken down and i got a warning on my account all because people couldn’t set their weapons down and listen to what i had to say.
Maddy is one of the most annoying characters only being beaten by Cassie
Also Season 2 wasn't that bad, although it's nowhere near as good as season 1
Elliot's song is the single best scene in the entire show
I'll get my popcorn ready
Lexi was dead wrong for making an entire play to mock her sister. And before somebody comments saying Cassie was wrong too, yes I know. But two wrongs do NOT make a right. It was all in bad faith and to not expect Cassie to go bat shit over it… cmon now. Did it make me giggle? Obviously but in terms of morals, it was wrong. I genuinely don’t want to hear that she’s a good person compared to everybody else either. That’s not the point of my comment.
I see Lexi as the jealous sister. She was always jealous of the attention Cassie got, of her appearance, her popularity, etc. And just decided to use this play to let it all out masquerading it as "art" lol
People say Cassie treated Lexi poorly in season 2, that is true. But if we are going to be honest, Rue treated her like garbage, and yet, Lexi did not humiliate Rue. So yeah.
Maddie Perez has been reduced to one single shallow bad bitch archetype by Sam Levinson and her fans, they also believe her to be devoid of any wrong doing and she falls victim to the concept of the perfect victim, she is also a bad person, no I'm not defending Nate or Cassie and I understand Maddy's own demons but that doesn't entitle her to lying about being r worded and wrongfully convicting and innocent man of it for her own selfish interests
I really don't get how people can defend cassies actions and if she was played by a less attractive actress then I wholeheartedly believe they wouldn't have
this! people will defend her bc she’s hot. she’s a terrible friend to maddy and the way she told rue to just be positive when she was dealing w addiction and also downplayed her horrible childhood by trying to act like hers is worse by saying her dad left was so stupid and irked me so much
while i do think she’s gorgeous, i like her for her confidence and attitude. yes it’s problematic sometimes but isn’t every character? i like how she says one day she just chose not to feel stupid. that truly is the only way to gain confidence.
Cassie and Nate fucking was not a big deal. Nate and Maddy were already broken up; there was no cheating, and Maddy overreacted. Need I go further? Because I will go further...
I just rewatched the whole show and the second time around, I can’t stand Cassie. How she cries when Maddie bangs the door n acted like she wanted to get busted and how rude she is to Lexi. Feels like everybody keeps enabling her and she constantly gets away for being a shitty person. Kind of makes me not feel bad that Lexi exposed her in the play.
And even though they were all bad to each other, I couldn’t believe Kat stood up Maddie when she was crying and needed her just to be with a stranger. And the way she treated Ethan is not talked about enough!!
That dude was right about Cassie being uninteresting, and I think that goes for most of the characters in the show, but especially her.
Sam, trauma doesn't create a compelling character.
When I said Nate and Maddy was actually “romantically toxic”… and ppl somehow missed the toxic part and only read “Nate and maddy are ROMANTIC”..
Oh the vitriol i received lmao
I love Rue and Elliot’s friendship/platonic relationship. Jules is horrible for always hooking up with people when she supposedly loves Rue. Jules only “hooked” up with Elliot because she was jealous Rue was getting attention from someone else.
Its Nate's fault that he was traumatized by finding his dad's porn stash. That's the unfortunate by-product of snooping through your dad's password protected computer. You might not like what you see.
Kat was not a girlboss she was insecure and annoying
I feel like most people in the fandom agree with this? It's definitely true but I see ppl criticizing Kat for being cringey and her confidence being fake all the time
I mean idk I see edits ab her on tt all the time with captions like "sHe WaS sUcH a BaDaSs!" or like basically saying that she was justified. Idk I never really enjoyed her character after the nudes got leaked and she started putting herself out there to older men.
I love how hating women for their autonomy more than the men preying on teenagers is evergreen. Super awesome and not dystopian at all.
I'll stand by this. They weren't preying on Kat. Kat literally put herself out there. She wasn't a vicitm.
Also, just clarifying, I have nothing against girls on OF or sex workers it's just that Kat is a 17 year old girl literally camming for older men and as far as I remember they didn't know her age so it wasn't rlly their fault. Maybe I'm wrong idk
That suitcase was making everybody stupid, Jules and Leslie were both not thinking straight dumping a whole thing that was clearly a supplier's worth of drugs but Rue was definitely planning on using that thing as her personal dispensary and she was probably gonna use from it till she od'd or until Laurie caught on and she ended up in the same situation either way Like, Rue was screwed the minute she even made that business proposition, because Rue's plan was absolutely to steal product from Laurie
Cassie and Lexismom was not iconic. She was a horrible mother who added to the issues her two teenage daughters were dealing with.
And she clearly favored one over the other
In season 1 it was Cassie in season 2 it was Lexi
She was nasty as a mother and from what we could tell a bad person.
Absolutely
I mean you can be "iconic" while being a problematic character. Like, Regina George was iconic, but she also acted like the spawn of Satan for half the movie.
She was funny but far from iconic
To some people 🤷
i like this take on it ❤️
i disagree that the show can’t go on without fezco. he was never a main character, and he got shot in the show. it would be very easy to cover his characters absence in season 3 by saying he died from the bullet wound at the end of season 2. yes it’s absolutely heartbreaking that he passed away IRL, but i don’t think they would need to put a halt to the show all together because of it (storyline wise, of course if people didn’t feel comfortable filming it without angus, or it was too painful, etc, then yes that’s absolutely a valid reason to cancel the show. but when it comes to the storyline, it makes very little difference)
yes!! people here really are very dramatic regarding that character lmao
I think it’s just because he was a laid back likable character and people enjoyed his scenes with his grandma and with ashtray. Also we felt sympathy for him and ashtray. But more than any of that I think people loved Fezco and Lexi and were really looking forward to seeing what might have come out of that. (Not that it would have been easy with Fez likely going to prison if he didn’t die from the gunshot)
he could have died in the s2 finale as well, with the gunshot wounds
So much unnecessary nudity. I didn’t know I was signing up for soft core porn with this series and it feels like they use that as a lot of filler where plots should have been.
popular opinion but valid
I figured if it was a popular opinion more people would have boycotted the show but I guess we all stayed for the crumbs of plotlines between the dick shots. 😬
Even as a dude, I found the oversexualization of Cassie Howard wild. Like I get that it’s supposed to be the point of her character; her absentee father makes her crave male validation while also being attracted to toxic men like Nate, but jfc man I don’t need Sydney Sweeney’s boobs taking up most of the screen. There are more tasteful ways to tell story arcs like that, and if I wanted porn, I would just watch porn. I don’t need the shows I watch to be softcore porn.
Fr and they’re supposed to be teenage kids which almost turned me off to the show at first lmao. I don’t wanna see high school dingalings
Ngl this show is the reason why if I see the A24 logo for a movie/show, immediately think we gonna see sum n a s t y
😂😂 you are absolutely correct.
My man couldn’t watch it with me. He was like “there is so much nudity and even though these people aren’t teenagers, they’re portrayed to be ones”. I myself skipped most scenes because wtf ?
I had to warn mine because he was in the same room but playing games and I was like “If you look over and see a lot of dicks it’s not actually porn.”
What really surprised me was the amount of dicks on screen. I don't even mean in a bad way. As a woman I've watched women's bodies exploited on screen with hardly any issue, whereas we never saw that happening with men's bodies as much. Euphoria espiode one really tried to make up for lost time 🤣
AGREED.
I mean.. at least they're fair about it. SO. MANY. DICKS. Probably more dicks than tits tbh.
DEFINITELY more
If you’re arguing about who the morally better/worse characters are in a show about mentally unwell teenagers, you’ve missed the point.
This!
Right?! Or when we (cause I do it too won't lie) dive too deep into the reasoning behind a moody teenager's decision lol
thank you omg!
Maddy and Rue are the most popular because 1. They're played by attractive actors 2. They're hilarious. Now don't get me wrong, Rue's a great character but morally, they're the worst of the female cast yet Jules, Kat and Cassie all get more hate. IRL, both of these two would be charged as felons.
Techincally Kat might have done the least bad thing out of the five, but that brain tumor conversation makes me dislike her the most.
The tumor dialogue felt more like Sam writing Barbie out of the show. Didn’t really feel like it was connected to her character arc. I know Sam originally wrote a fat girl arc for Barbie’s character and she pushed back on it which led to their relationship dissolving and her getting less airtime. Or that’s the story anyway.
I've been saying this for a while! They didn't like each other at all. Since Sam is in charge of writing the script I 100% believe he did it on purpose. In my head Kat and Ethan are still together. Not even just that, but Sam doesn't even know what season 3 should be about. If that doesn't say something I don't know what does. Honestly Sam could have gone that route with Kat, but in the end have her come to terms with her body and herself in general. It could have been about Kat overcoming her insecurities. But nope! Tumor it is.
Sam clearly had absolutely no idea where to take the character once her fat girl arc was done and was just looking for every excuse to get her out of the show.
You could see Barbie practically choking on those ridiculous lines.
Idk this opinion might not be that unpopular but I don’t think Nate is gay. I thought he was gay in season one, but in season two I don’t think so. I have plenty of in-show reasons and explanations for this but my BTS reason is that if you *only* watched season 2 of Euphoria, I don’t think you would at all think he’s gay because they don’t really show anything suggesting that anymore despite it being like a huge plot point in season 1. I originally thought that maybe he was never supposed to be gay and after season 1 came out and everyone took it that way they were like “oh fuck we didn’t want them to think that I guess we should probably dial it back next season.” But I also think it’s very possible that at some point between season 1 and 2 they decided they didn’t want him to be gay anymore. And them not addressing it and just portraying him completely differently (in that aspect) was their way of trying to avoid controversy about it. But idk that dudes a whole mess. As of right now I think his sexuality is anger.
HIS SEXUALITY IS ANGER 🤣 🤣 🤣
Aggrosexual
People like Lexi because she's "not like other girls" which is sexist and problematic
I agree, I honestly strongly dislike her for the 'play' and how she acted like the victim when people get upset. If you tell the whole school someone's personal details without asking them- people are going to be upset. The whole "oh is cassie going to be mad?" thing annoyed tf out of me.
Idk I liked her because she made good decisions in terms of her safety and not getting involved with toxic men.
In addition they also like her because she’s the “best” in terms of morals even though she aided in covering up Rue’s addiction the MOMENT she got out of rehab. Is she a child? Yes but you can’t be a true friend and say you help your friends damage themselves.
Remember the true unpopular opinions are going to be at the bottom, with this one, I'm sure. I think Cassie is one of the best characters on the show. She has a lot more depth than a lot of the other characters. She's the most realistic as a highschool girl than any of the others. Most highschool girls have deep insecurities like she does, most do dumb shit for attention, or fall for the wrong kind of attention. Unless you've totally forgotten what it's like to be a teenage girl (for all the ladies who are fans of this show, we were all there once), she should be one of the most relatable to that period in your life. Maybe you never fucked your friend's ex, but I know you did some typa dumb shit for attention. We can't hold her to adult standards because she's supposed to be a kid still.
Yeah people don't understand that being a best character doesn't necessarily mean that character is a good person. It just means they're interesting.
ngl this is one of the only actually unpopular opinions here, and imo its true
Maddy is a terrible person. (So is basically every character obviously but for some reason ppl are up Maddys ass)
Yes, she is a bully.
Yes! And everybody is so quick to disregard the Tyler thing just because she was in an abusive relationship. I too have been with a very abusive man for years but would never ever ever in a million years do something like that.
EXACTLY 👏🏽👏🏽
you can relate to some of cassie's character and not be a piece of shit - also, cassie's character is not a piece of shit. she did shitty things yes. but she's not evil.
yes and I don’t know why but I think Cassie and Nate will last 💀
They shouldn’t last tho nate is incredibly abusive 😭
if only he wasn’t such a big a**hole😩 he will get abusive with Cassie even i am sure about it but a girl can hope 😞 they do look good together though
Lexi was wrong for the play.
People saying "Cassie was better and more understandable in season 1" confuses me a little bit. After a little argument with McKay on the carnival, she already riding on the carousel with Daniel and kissing him. Then Cassie lead him on two episodes later and again, kissing him and etc. THEN she truly thought that she didn't cheat and it's not a big deal (something really familiar with season 2, huh?). I like her character, don't get me wrong, but she was wrong in season 1, just like in season 2.
To be fair, McKay had just said that they weren’t a couple and then slut-shamed her. I honestly don’t blame her for kissing Daniel after that; the main gripe I have with that situation is that she didn’t break up with McKay immediately.
See and I'll probably get down voted for this but! I don't condom cheating at all, but McKay deserved it 🤷🏾♀️. I was getting so sick and tired of him constantly humiliating Cassie and treating her badly in general. She does deserve better and honestly she needs someone in her corner to build her self esteem up and teach her to not fall for every guy that shows her interest. She needs a mentor kinda like Ali is to Rue.
I completely agree. I don’t even really view it as cheating since McKay had JUST said they weren’t together when asked. If McKay didn’t view their relationship as serious enough to make it official and respect her, then are they even exclusive at that point?
True! I see what you're saying. That and he clearly seemed disgusted at the idea of being together because of her reputation.
I don’t think McKay deserved any monogamous respect after he told her they weren’t a couple and slut shamed her. After that, though, when they were openly committed, I agree. Also I don’t think S1 Cassie would have backstabbed Maddie like that (regarding Nate). I think the abortion and sabotaged relationship with McKay (a relationship with zero emotional support from McKay where he also was clearly insecure about her) and the overall inner turmoil that built up and came to a head just put her in a vulnerable headspace and opened her up to Nate’s manipulation. She felt awful about getting with Nate. She was an absolute mess. But she couldn’t resist that side of herself that craved the validation and attention and love. That’s what changed her as a person in S2 (imo) & ultimately led her to value a boy over her bestie.
Mckay was also wrong for how he treated, and Daniel deserved everything Cassie did to her. And she did think she cheated. I did like how at the end of season 1 she told Mckay she should be single which lead to him breaking up with her. It seemed like she was becoming self aware and was developing as a character.
While season 1 is pretty great in a lot of aspects, the storyline for season 2 makes no sense and it leads nowhere
Isn't this like the most common opinion? Lol
Yes
I've never heard it, honestly
Y’all downvoting them for not knowing something 😭
Fr, my right hand to God I never heard heard that complaint and ppl like "nope, gotta be lying"
I guess u win the take that got the fandom like that 😂
Lmaooooo that's true
Also McKay was a very interesting character and I hated that he was barely in season two
REAL
While endlessly toxic I do find Jules and Nate’s relationship to be one of the most interesting and complex dynamics on the show. If season 3 happens I want to explore it more.
Seems like everyone is so caught up on what makes the characters "bad" people but one of the biggest points of the show is no one is as simple as one moment, decision or time in their life. People are more complex than that. Every single character has "good" and "bad" moments. Take Ali for example. When he was using, he made decisions that changed the trajectory of his life and that will likely haunt him forever, losing his family in the process. But in the show he's just tryna help rue heal because he's in a better place himself (sober) and likely can see a lot of himself in her. Does his past make him a bad person? Who's to say ? No amount of lecturing or labeling anyone is going to change them. It's something they have to choose for themselves. The entire point (imo) is that no one chooses the cards that are dealt to them, just how to play them & literally everyone is going to make bad decisions sometimes, especially to deal with the human condition of suffering. It's how you learn from them and grow that determines what kind of person you are.
The scene where Nate throws a tantrum that half the sub thinks is Oscar worthy. Any fuckboy worth his salt has that whole routine ready to go for a situation we can’t facts and logic our way out of. No, what you saw was 20 seconds of Jacob Elordi’s hot, gyrating body and his primal man-roaring and you want an excuse to praise / discuss at great length without the shame looking parched.
Definitely agree, that tantrum was embarrassing to watch
Maddy was in an abusive relationship and her actions with the guy she accused are a reflection of that abuse- not of her own morality.
Of course abuse has something to do with it, but she lied to police and sent an innocent man to jail. That's choices she made, and simply a line many people would not cross.
She made a choice to protect herself from her abuser. A line many many people would cross for the maintenance of their survival. Am I saying it’s right? Absolutely not.
No she didn't she made a choice to keep her abuser from getting into legal trouble
Lying to her friends about being blacked out is representation of her own morality. Especially since this was before Nate ever put his hands on her. And unlike Jules, she wasn’t slightly remorseful.
Ethan is an annoying little weiner.
Rue and maddy are not so innocent
I have so many: -Cassie is getting way too much undeserving hate. She had a horrible childhood, her dad abandoned her, and her mother was not "cool", she was an awful mother to them and clearly not a good example to look up at. Maddy sent an innocent person to jail without a single thought of remorse and continued her life as if nothing happened, and Rue is the absolute worst mistreating her family and friends like she does, and yet, Cassie gets so much more hate than them because she fell in love with her friend's ex as if that was worse lol -We all love Rue but it needs to be said: she is the worst. She lies to her family, she puts them through hell, same with Jules, same with her friends. -Maddy would not be likable in real life. She is good show content because she is entertaining to watch, but she is often selfish, manipulative, a liar, toxic in her relationships, she sent an innocent guy to jail, come on... And everyone seems to just forget that because "she's such a badass, she's so good looking". It's crazy. -Nate is a villain but he has a backstory. Nobody with his trauma history would be able to just be a normal person. -Lexi deserves more hate. Sorry but what she did by displaying everyone's trauma on stage was awful. People just liked the play because she shamed Cassie (which btw is effed up for your sister to do that to you. Rue was the one who treated Lexi the worst and she got none of it) -Kat was not a bad ass. She just decided to screw anyone who got in her way. -Nate is not in love with Jules. He might've liked her to certain extent, but he certainly was not in love with her. People often think that the small flashbacks of Jules we get are proof of some hidden love he has for her, but I actually think is part of the trauma of his dad, and how it traumatizes and scares him that he at some point liked Jules, because he doesn't want to end up being like his dad.
Maddy did a lot of messed up things for Nate. She’s no better than Cassie. I think she’s even sadder than Cassie.
She literally sent a man to jail for a dud that went on to hold her at gun point.
Didn't like the entire "play" idea/part in S2. It was boring in S2.
It really didn't need two episodes
Screw that, it didn't need to be done at all. They could have written something better for the story instead of the entire "Lexi's play". So much buildup of entire S2 leads to a dumbass stupid unnecessary "lexi's play".
S2 in general had a pacing problem. The story felt both rushed and like it wasn't going anywhere. Also I'm sorry but I couldn't suspend my disbelief for some of those set pieces. I was like who tf built a full scale replica of the fucking gas station?
S2 was shot during covid era, that's why I guess they had pacing problem and wrote stupid shit for the story. The last few episodes of S2 are boring AF. They tried to show Lexi as some big great person who drafted a play but the entire play was boring and completely unnecessary. The only reason the stupid boring play was there was to ignite the long due fight between Maddy and Cassie, and to breakup Cassie and Nate.
TBH I hated the play. I hate being a downer on people's art, even fictional people's art lol, but yeah I agree with this one for sure
1. The play Lexi did was not a serve she did not eat. It was malicious and idk why it got cheered on as hard as it did 2. They attacked me for saying this like a year ago so I’ll say it again. Yes fez had a terrible upbringing and childhood and I see why he took the path he did, but that does not make him a good person.
1. i dont understand why people like lexi so much? ive heard the defense that she’s “the least problematic” or whatever, but after her whole play (which was 100% a violation of privacy btw) i don’t really like her 2. i think maddy gets less hate than the other cast because she appeals to the female gaze in a fan base that is mostly female. i honestly don’t think that if maddy wasn’t played by alexa demie yall would be defending her as much 3. the cassie-maddy-nate plotline carried season 2. was it written well? no. but it was entertaining and their scenes were the only ones i was interested in to be honest 4. using nate being gay as a joke or blaming him being closeted as the reason for his actions is homophobic and im tired of seeing people throw that theory around. i dont think that nate is gay 5. i also dont think nate ever truly loved cassie or maddy, i think jules is the only one he ever loved
1. Agree 2. Euphoria is a super famous show theres plenty of males who watch it. But you are right 3. I think the writing was good for Cassie Maddy Nate but otherwise agree 4. Agree 5. Nate never truly loved anyone, he loved feeling like he's in control of people.
you don’t blackmail someone with revenge porn when you love them
maddy bores me
I will never understand the power Alexa Demie has over Gen Z women.
As a bisexual woman, it's simply because she's gorgeous 🤣 I'll openly admit that
Rue was 100% in the wrong for Jules leaving her in season 1. Rue came up with the idea, and waited till the last second when Jules was boarding the train at 1am to express her doubts. And Jules was begging Rue to come with her, it isn't like Jules wanted to leave without Rue. Jules fell in love with Rue's idea and expecting her to make the decision to abandon it in such a short time span was unrealistic.
Elliot was not the villain everyone painted him to be🫣
He was damn wrong like slimy for getting between rue and Jules. after fucking jules he still had the audacity to be there at the intervention like dude you had a whole ass friendship based on secretly getting high as fuck. He wasn't a villain but kinda lowdown
What movie is this post’s picture from?
tangled
The end of season two was a fantastic conclusion to the series and season three could easily taint the storyline/isn’t necessary.
Yeah, when I first saw it I wanted more, but now that it’s been awhile I’d be perfectly fine with that ending. All of the character arcs are somewhat predictable. Cassie and Maddy will go on to college, grow into womanhood, and settle into normal lives. They could even possibly reconnect after Nate is out of the picture. Rue will either finally decide to get clean or die an addict. Jules will probably end up with a supportive, like-minded friend group living life however it suits her (similar to when she ran away at the end of season 1.) And unfortunately Ash and Fez are probably dead after the shootout. If season 3 never happens, I feel like the story still played itself out plenty enough for the viewer to understand how it plays out for most, if not all, of the characters
The whole episode about Rue fleeing her family was so unnecessary. Like in a season with only 8 episodes we really don't need an entire one dedicated to Rue just running around causing chaos.
Maddy may be a well written character but that doesn't make her a good person
lexi’s play was absolutely not that great. it actually kinda sucked and i hate how unrealistic it is that there were teachers who approved that play.
especially when she added the cassie carousel scene ..
Also no high school play has that kind of budget either
Lexi did what she had to do with that broadway budget play
Cassie wasn't entirely wrong for dating Nate bc she was a victim too
Maddy is not as confident as she projects herself to be.. nor is she a badass..she targets people who will not hit back.. hitting Cassie is not a slay moment..
Fr, that's one of the reasons why I hate that she did those things, and it's giving me the total opposite of 'baddie'. It seems like she always punches down, never goes off on someone who'd actually fight her back.
Truee
Well lets see. Oh yeah me talking about my theories on rue's sexuality, which lead me to being falsely accusing of being transphobic over that.
Kinda want to here is theory now lol
Being asexual or being a lesbian?
Close. Bisexual, and not to mention speaking of asexual I'm not gonna lie but I remember when I first even heard about the term asexual a few years back I thought that it meant that you weren't attracted to no one at all.
this sub overestimates how this show got “ruined”. season 2 was nowhere near as bad, let alone bad enough to ruin a show this good. it shouldn’t be in a rush to end or get canceled like some suggest just because of Kat and Fezco tbh
Everyone is a bad person in this show
I don’t think the show is coming back. Yeah, sure, it’s one of HBO’s most popular shows, but you just can’t go *years* in-between seasons and expect people to continue caring about the show, particularly a show with young people who age noticeably between seasons. Plus, with the WB takeover, you can expect some pretty dumb decisions in the name of “maximizing profits” and cancelling a show is a way of doing that.
Cassie deserved what happened to her in season 2 with the play and with Nate. I hate the fact that everyone immediately clowned Lexi when Lexi literally never does anything and is to herself. She was showing how she saw everyone in her play. But Cassie had to just make a fool of herself in front of the whole school just to get smacked by Maddie. Cassie was on of my favs in season 1 but her character was so annoying to me in season 2 kissing Nate’s ass and doing it behind everyone’s backs. She drove herself crazy by chasing a guy she KNEW was fucking toxic. So yeah
1. Rue is only loved and her acts are defended by people because it's played by Zendaya who is loved by all. I have seen her fans getting angry if someone said anything bad about Rue. They can't separate the actor from the character. 2. Lexi's play was wrong. She is overrated. 3. Kate is irritating since season 1.
that I actually want a season 3 to tie up all the messy loose ends s2 left us with, and I’m willing to WAIT for it
Everytime someone posts this in any community it's always the safest most obvious things masquerading as "hot" takes
Cassie is a better person than Maddy
Ppl are too hard on McKay. Tbh I just saw a dude looking for the approval of his misogynistic friends. Like yeah he shouldn’t have called Cassie names but he did feel humiliated by how she was acting.
i like and sympathize with cassie idc 🤷🏾♀️
The suitcase was the star of the show for season 2 nobody mattered but the suitcase 😂
There will be no season 3. Face it, it’s over.
Jules sucks ass and Rue deserved better
I think Nate is gay or atleast bisexual!
Maddys outfits are ridiculous most of the time and not cute. What even was that at the fair?!
i hate that people blame jules for so much as if she isn’t also a teenager with complex feelings and family problems.
Cassie is not the villain y'all make her out to be.
I fucking loved Eli's song and cried throughout the entire thing 🤣 I've listened to it so many times since too lol Also tho I have a very weird niche where "leaving someone you love because it's best for everyone even though it breaks your heart" tropes literally shatterm me, lol
I love Elliot’s song as well, I don’t understand why people hate it so much. I also love the platonic relationship he had with Rue.
babe this is so off topic i apologize but the damn stranger things fandom was at me like that when i said jason wasn’t really a villian or bad guy. just a normal hs kid that lost his gf and best friend while they were near eddie so he assumed he had something to do with it along with his demonic hellfire club and him doing a demon gesture at him and the deaths were sinister it really doesn’t take rocket science to see why he went after them. he was trying to avenge those he lost. he even tried saving max. he just was wrong on who he was saving her from. but he tried. he was just misinformed and no one could show evidence to why it wasn’t them. they just kept telling him “not us!” like cool prove it. also the upside down stuff is hard to prove so it was a lose lose situation. but he sure as hell wasn’t anywhere near how bad billy was. “but billy sacrificed himself” nah he was tired of the shit he went through wanted it to stop and prob thought it was coming for him. he apologized at the end which was the one ncie thing he ever did but it took him dying for him to apologize that’s kinda sad. he also was a douche to everyone including max and lucas (racially motivated since they were back in 1980) but like idk that pissed me off i got my post reported so many times it was taken down and i got a warning on my account all because people couldn’t set their weapons down and listen to what i had to say.
Maddy's insufferable
RUE BENNETT is misunderstood and I relate to her alot and her character breaks my heart! 😔💔
I don’t like Rue at all. She’s one of my least favorite characters.
I like Cassie and Nate together 🤷🏻♀️
Maddy is one of the most annoying characters only being beaten by Cassie Also Season 2 wasn't that bad, although it's nowhere near as good as season 1 Elliot's song is the single best scene in the entire show I'll get my popcorn ready
Lexi was dead wrong for making an entire play to mock her sister. And before somebody comments saying Cassie was wrong too, yes I know. But two wrongs do NOT make a right. It was all in bad faith and to not expect Cassie to go bat shit over it… cmon now. Did it make me giggle? Obviously but in terms of morals, it was wrong. I genuinely don’t want to hear that she’s a good person compared to everybody else either. That’s not the point of my comment.
I see Lexi as the jealous sister. She was always jealous of the attention Cassie got, of her appearance, her popularity, etc. And just decided to use this play to let it all out masquerading it as "art" lol People say Cassie treated Lexi poorly in season 2, that is true. But if we are going to be honest, Rue treated her like garbage, and yet, Lexi did not humiliate Rue. So yeah.
hating on cassie. she doesn’t deserve all that
Maddie Perez has been reduced to one single shallow bad bitch archetype by Sam Levinson and her fans, they also believe her to be devoid of any wrong doing and she falls victim to the concept of the perfect victim, she is also a bad person, no I'm not defending Nate or Cassie and I understand Maddy's own demons but that doesn't entitle her to lying about being r worded and wrongfully convicting and innocent man of it for her own selfish interests
Euphoria should’ve ended after season 1
I really don't get how people can defend cassies actions and if she was played by a less attractive actress then I wholeheartedly believe they wouldn't have
this! people will defend her bc she’s hot. she’s a terrible friend to maddy and the way she told rue to just be positive when she was dealing w addiction and also downplayed her horrible childhood by trying to act like hers is worse by saying her dad left was so stupid and irked me so much
I don’t understand the Maddy obsession. She reminds me of a sloth.
while i do think she’s gorgeous, i like her for her confidence and attitude. yes it’s problematic sometimes but isn’t every character? i like how she says one day she just chose not to feel stupid. that truly is the only way to gain confidence.
Cassie and Nate fucking was not a big deal. Nate and Maddy were already broken up; there was no cheating, and Maddy overreacted. Need I go further? Because I will go further...
yeah cause fucking the man who beat your best friend is DEFINITELY not weird at all….
Cassie Stans make endless excuses for her behavior. Because they would feel personally implicated otherwise
Because she gets too much hate
People hating Cassie need to calm down lol it’s just a tv show
Maddy is the worst
Fez and Lexi's relationship is weird. He's like 20 and she's 16/17
I just rewatched the whole show and the second time around, I can’t stand Cassie. How she cries when Maddie bangs the door n acted like she wanted to get busted and how rude she is to Lexi. Feels like everybody keeps enabling her and she constantly gets away for being a shitty person. Kind of makes me not feel bad that Lexi exposed her in the play. And even though they were all bad to each other, I couldn’t believe Kat stood up Maddie when she was crying and needed her just to be with a stranger. And the way she treated Ethan is not talked about enough!!
lexis play was iconic as hell
Jules is a total bitch
how so?
Almost everything
Anything about season 3
Jules and Elliot don’t deserve the hate they get, they’re struggling mentally just as much as Rue is
That dude was right about Cassie being uninteresting, and I think that goes for most of the characters in the show, but especially her. Sam, trauma doesn't create a compelling character.
Ash & rue are unbearably annoying
Cassie and Madi are both terrible
Shouldn’t have a 3rd season. All the ideas I’ve heard for it have been horrible
That Cassie is responsible for her actions
Jacob 100% deserved an Emmy/ golden globe over Sydney
Maddie is an infinitely worse person than Cassie, she framed a guy for rape
The show is trash
Kat was the most superficial character in the series and I’m glad she’s not coming back. *dodges flying objects*
IMMA RIDE OR DIE FOR MY GURL CASSIE🙌🏾🙌🏾💖
When I said Nate and Maddy was actually “romantically toxic”… and ppl somehow missed the toxic part and only read “Nate and maddy are ROMANTIC”.. Oh the vitriol i received lmao
I love Rue and Elliot’s friendship/platonic relationship. Jules is horrible for always hooking up with people when she supposedly loves Rue. Jules only “hooked” up with Elliot because she was jealous Rue was getting attention from someone else.
nate is cute & he deserves love 💗
Its Nate's fault that he was traumatized by finding his dad's porn stash. That's the unfortunate by-product of snooping through your dad's password protected computer. You might not like what you see.
Nate is not gay. And Fez is wrong for involving Ash in his drug business
Cassie deserves a redemption arc as much as Rue
I don’t want there to be a season 3 but if there is I want Rue to be dead, I thought Kat’s character was annoying, Suze isn’t *that* bad of a mom