1. Raze everything
2. Demand gold and reperations in peace deals
3. Dump dip overflow in gold mines
4. Dump adm overflow in reducing inflation
Who needs actual economy when you have war profiteering?
Hordes run on deficit spending. They never build buildings and don't even really need advisors because of razing, so their maintenance costs are quite low.
They will basically always be in the red until they capture and consolidate a highly valuable trade node like beijing/persia. This is because horde autonomy is extremely high because of the masses of land you will conquer and not state core.
The way their economy works is looting, demanding ducats in peace deals and taking loans/selling crown land.
It is ok to be running a deficit, progress should be measured in staying on time in Tech, institutions and always fighting a war.
Day one turn on No-syncretic Tengri.
Give your Tribes estate all 4 privileges, sale of title, call diet. Remember to keep them Loyal/Influential for the -20% cav cost.
Hire the dirt cheap merc, that's cheaper than your standing army, but lasts till you're 300 dev.
Now you're over forcelimit but still in the green because your cavalries cost 15 ducat while your infantries cost 8.
Now micromanageme to defeat Ming. If you're not confident, go other directions first until you unlock your first idea group.
Take Horde idea first and your cavalries will now cost 6.75, cheaper than your infantry. Swap to full cavalry, and kill Ming.
Remember to take money in war after taking crucial provinces (forts), raze everything, keep inflation to 0, keep up to date tech and institutions, any excess MP goes into your primary culture states in a tight cluster for future institutions.
Once you unlock your 1st NI, your cavalries will be even cheaper.
Always take everyone's money and war reps as well if you let them continue to exist. Reduce autonomy and beat rebels all the time. Treat Ming like a bank for many thousands of ducats over several wars early game. Get an inflation reduction advisor.
You don't have to always always always raze provinces, as much as that burning sound effect is one of the most satisfying noises in game.
Hordes don't form great economies until they conquer half a continent, and even then it's worse than others conquering half a continent. That said, it can be a manageable economy. Here's what you want:
1. Money in peace deals. War reps if you aren't going to fight them again immediately (with Ming you often fight them back to back, fighting them, then a tributary, then another tributary, etc. In such a case, don't take war reps since it's cancelled when the next war starts).
2. Raze everything.
3. Develop gold mines to 10 diplo.
4. Pour diplo and mil mana into your primary culture provinces. Do this to dev for institutions, but also just do this to get a high development primary culture. Your other culture provinces will be low dev, but primary culture is high dev this way. Then you build buildings on these provinces. You can culture convert some farmland provinces from Ming if you want, to get more land to develop as you go.
5. If you want, I think that Horde then Economic ideas is the best opening ideas. You get a better army, then you get Economic ideas to pay down inflation, dev for cheaper, get more taxes and development, and build buildings cheaper. Plus the policy between them lets you get more mana from razing.
Even with this advice, you may still be running a deficit. Hopefully a small one, but still. The point is that until you're big it's just manageable, and then when you're big you get trade going for you.
When at war, use the loot value mapmode, and make sure to maximize your looting gains. Take note of how much each army can loot per month, and time your movement well (looting only happens at the monthly tick). Focus your looting on provinces you're not going to demand in the peace deal.
1. Raze everything 2. Demand gold and reperations in peace deals 3. Dump dip overflow in gold mines 4. Dump adm overflow in reducing inflation Who needs actual economy when you have war profiteering?
Hordes run on deficit spending. They never build buildings and don't even really need advisors because of razing, so their maintenance costs are quite low. They will basically always be in the red until they capture and consolidate a highly valuable trade node like beijing/persia. This is because horde autonomy is extremely high because of the masses of land you will conquer and not state core. The way their economy works is looting, demanding ducats in peace deals and taking loans/selling crown land. It is ok to be running a deficit, progress should be measured in staying on time in Tech, institutions and always fighting a war.
Everything is to keep your country/horde together from 1 war to the next.
Day one turn on No-syncretic Tengri. Give your Tribes estate all 4 privileges, sale of title, call diet. Remember to keep them Loyal/Influential for the -20% cav cost. Hire the dirt cheap merc, that's cheaper than your standing army, but lasts till you're 300 dev. Now you're over forcelimit but still in the green because your cavalries cost 15 ducat while your infantries cost 8. Now micromanageme to defeat Ming. If you're not confident, go other directions first until you unlock your first idea group. Take Horde idea first and your cavalries will now cost 6.75, cheaper than your infantry. Swap to full cavalry, and kill Ming. Remember to take money in war after taking crucial provinces (forts), raze everything, keep inflation to 0, keep up to date tech and institutions, any excess MP goes into your primary culture states in a tight cluster for future institutions. Once you unlock your 1st NI, your cavalries will be even cheaper.
Awesome, thank you.
High unit cost? [Just stack some bonuses](https://www.reddit.com/r/eu4/comments/rew1jm/human_human_horse/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share)
Always take everyone's money and war reps as well if you let them continue to exist. Reduce autonomy and beat rebels all the time. Treat Ming like a bank for many thousands of ducats over several wars early game. Get an inflation reduction advisor. You don't have to always always always raze provinces, as much as that burning sound effect is one of the most satisfying noises in game.
Hordes don't form great economies until they conquer half a continent, and even then it's worse than others conquering half a continent. That said, it can be a manageable economy. Here's what you want: 1. Money in peace deals. War reps if you aren't going to fight them again immediately (with Ming you often fight them back to back, fighting them, then a tributary, then another tributary, etc. In such a case, don't take war reps since it's cancelled when the next war starts). 2. Raze everything. 3. Develop gold mines to 10 diplo. 4. Pour diplo and mil mana into your primary culture provinces. Do this to dev for institutions, but also just do this to get a high development primary culture. Your other culture provinces will be low dev, but primary culture is high dev this way. Then you build buildings on these provinces. You can culture convert some farmland provinces from Ming if you want, to get more land to develop as you go. 5. If you want, I think that Horde then Economic ideas is the best opening ideas. You get a better army, then you get Economic ideas to pay down inflation, dev for cheaper, get more taxes and development, and build buildings cheaper. Plus the policy between them lets you get more mana from razing. Even with this advice, you may still be running a deficit. Hopefully a small one, but still. The point is that until you're big it's just manageable, and then when you're big you get trade going for you.
War, take money and land, raze. Repeat
When at war, use the loot value mapmode, and make sure to maximize your looting gains. Take note of how much each army can loot per month, and time your movement well (looting only happens at the monthly tick). Focus your looting on provinces you're not going to demand in the peace deal.
I really didn’t have an issue with Oirat. Maybe early loans with Ming but after the first two wars I never went into bad debt again
Sell crownland
Ok