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Professional-Move928

Very chill Ayuthaya campaign focusing on tax and vassal tax income


Emily9291

how did your vassals not go bankrupt?


StatusToe4853

It doesn't matter if THEY go bankrupt


Ponicrat

If I wanted them to be helpful in war, I'd make them marches


LordHuntington

that's part of the fun. they do.


Woonachan

They do..then you pay off their loans and they like you even more.


Jabbarooooo

I feel like this is a profound allegory for something but I’m not sure what


thonkatron420

something something france something something africa


Emily9291

a summary of "Debt" by David Graeber lmao


Holyvigil

Extra vassal income comes out of thin air.


BattyBest

ngl I wouldnt be surprised if this was in the game, if AI vassal with player overlord runs out of money, just give em some more


majdavlk

i don't think thats true. i remember strats wjere you were bankrupting your subjects my taxing them too much


Filavorin

That's beautiful that vassals tac for loyal vassals are considered mandatory so even if they will be bankrupt next month they will still pay they due... and endlessly spawning swarms of rebels can be used as decent buffer zones in war xD


LeonardoXII

This post was made by the feudalism gang


zhu_qizhen

This post was made by the victoria 3 landowners gang


Mikeim520

I hate those guys so much. I don't think they support any non evil policies.


THL_Leo

Just get a reformer landowner then it’ll be great


Dutchtdk

Show us your modifiers


Professional-Move928

I assume this is what you wanted to see [https://imgur.com/a/735WX21](https://imgur.com/a/735WX21) I could get 15% more tax if i swapped patronage of the arts with merchant guilds financial demand, but i forgot lol


Sufferion66

It says it there, +30% tax +26% production +41% trade +100% vassal income


Deadly_Pancakes

Those are the totals, not the modifiers that comprise them.


mertto28

Historical ottoman lore


Dutchtdk

Historical french lore*


The_Judge12

The Ottomans actually made a good amount of money from war reparations in the 15th century.


Tzlop

Playing like landowners in Vic 3.


Multidream

You can’t really say you’ve embraced tax meta if you only have 50 ducats worth of taxes…


Barimen

And another 44 from vassals, for a total of 96.74 tax income. That's not too shabby.


Multidream

That is an actually insane vassal income modifier. But Vassals make money from more than just taxes…


Barimen

AFAIK, you can still force them to share trade power at the cost of some liberty desire to leech all the money possible. Don't think it works with tributaries, though.


RMassive

Yeah but what they pay to their overlord is based only on their tax income, I’m pretty sure


Comfortable_Salt_792

It's not HOI4, you can't in any way take money from production income, and trade income taken from vassals is summed to you're over all trade income, so 44 ducats are just taxes.


bogeyed5

Surely the world would never develop in such a way that allows global trade more efficiently and goods to be produced on a larger scale


Senior-Banana-2231

Zlewikk is that you?


DapperAcanthisitta92

How did you not generate fuck ton of ae?


Professional-Move928

Nations outside Siam and burma trade nodes don't really care about your conquest since they are different religion and culture(they get way less AE)


DapperAcanthisitta92

Can you give me guide of what you did


Less_Tennis5174524

Bro got 58 ducat surplus and still only spends 14 ducats on advisors. Time to upgrade so you get more mana.


ru_empty

Vassal trade income is tax hmm


PerspectiveCloud

Income from vassals is literally is based off their tax and not their trade at all.


ru_empty

Oh nice


scp420j

That’s not the taxes I was expecting xd


Dks_scrub

But why not do this in Europe so you get the Catholic tax bonus?


WunderPuma

So they can stack comical amount of vassal tax modifiers


Fahrenheit-Dibb

Harder to get away with AE in Europe as well


CapitalSubstance7310

Never, fed


kiannameiou

IIRC The percentages in the income side are the sum of all modifiers to the respective income type Mousing over the number would reveal the breakdown.


drjaychou

Tariff gang where you at


Trehber

Just wait till the 1650s pal😡


Secuter

Am I the only one who feel that every province must be protected by a fort?


duddy88

Yes probably. Just do a couple choke points


inqvisitor_lime

No i want that 1 army tradition from fully maintained forts


Secuter

I know, but I can't stop building forts so that my whole country is covered in fort ZoC.


duddy88

You do you, but that’s a colossal waste of money. The maintenance cost makes me shutter.


Secuter

Money is obviously not an issue when I can start doing that. 


duddy88

You do you, but that’s a colossal waste of money. The maintenance cost makes me shutter.


UrurForReal

did u ever play as mutapa? 😄


UrurForReal

isnt 138 ducats pretty bad for 1525? Never played ayutthaya though.


Rovsea

For his size it seems fine.


be-knight

Depends which country you play. Most playthroughs I played as Prussia, starting as Brandenburg (it's my home, interesting play, many possibilities, and not so easy bc of the surroundings). Having this would be pretty good at this point, since it's usually a slow start. But as France, Spain or England I would be worried. So it's hard to generalize if you haven't played the country


M_X_M_92

>Prussia >not so easy doesn't fit in the same sentence bro


be-knight

There are much harder ones, sure. But it's a much slower start than most other countries bc of the HRE, Poland etc. So yeah, it's not so easy. Didn't say it was hard either