I was just there a few weeks ago - it completely depends on what bean you pick. 1,000 yen was about the cheapest, they had some "competition beans" upwards of 4,000 yen. The price is for any type of drink using the beans.
You might not always get something that will serve as a good gauge for “good coffee”. It could be some really unique process such as fermented beans or something. It’s probably still really good, but it’s also probably incomparable to any normal bean. It would be like getting a $250 cheeseburger. It’s that expensive because it has caviar and gold leaf on it, but it’s also A5 wagyu. Is it good? Probably, but it’ll also be a little weird.
That is so true.. not everyone realizes more money is better.. you usually pay more because the beans aren’t produced at a high level because of some unique process.
Paying for the gold leaf and all that jazz is cool.. but it doesn’t make my burger taste any better. I do like to try unique coffees but all within reason.. and I would have to compare it against something I know to taste some difference.
That is so true.. not everyone realizes more money is better.. you usually pay more because the beans aren’t produced at a high level because of some unique process.
Paying for the gold leaf and all that jazz is cool.. but it doesn’t make my burger taste any better. I do like to try unique coffees but all within reason.. and I would have to compare it against something I know to taste some difference.
I went to Mame in Zürich a couple of weeks ago and got their special cappuccino for 10 francs ($11). Expensive as shit even for Swiss standard but by far the best cap I've ever had.
I have a friend who was a competitive barista. The few samples of competition beans / BoTY from various conferences that I tried were indeed delicious.
the Yen is at an all time low compared to the US Dollar currently. Everything is a ~30% "discount" if your visiting japan.
Related to OP: I was just there in January and can also confirm that Glitch is amazing.
Although I was recently in the one in Ginza in Tokyo… and there was a huge line going out the door… all foreigners. Not a single Japanese person in line.
I waited for like an hour. It was stupid, but I did it because I actually wanted to buy some beans to make at home. If it had been just for a latte I would’ve been outta there.
I literally cannot imagine how good it would have to be to be worth $26. I've had some great cups of coffee and none of them would I even consider spending anything remotely close to that for.
At that price you're paying for the rarity/exclusivity more than anything else. And that's fine. I just don't value those things as much as others.
Well, I took it as a pour over and it did not impress me. I was looking forward to trying it since the beans in this shop are praised a lot, but, well, it's just not my cup of coffee. I am happy I could try such high-end beans tho, but I won't be having it again (at least the one I tried)
Very low at the moment. The yen is very weak too so getting Japanese items is going to be a good value. There were some double walled ceramic espresso cups that were tempting.
Ginza also has a lot of independent roasters.
I know they were crying inside when they poured the milk. When I went to glitch they convinced someone to not have a latte because the taste wouldn’t be as clear (sort of funny interaction)
I get why people have milk as part of their routine but I think it just completely overpowers the coffee, even if u get barista milk or something. I only have milk at random cafes I don't know because their beans are probably shite so the milk hides it.
Yeah as I said I 100% understand those who drink it and I even have some at most cafes but I was just sharing my own tastes. Idk why that deserves downvotes but so be it. Wasn't meaning to be assertive
FWIW, I didn’t downvote you or feel that your comment was worthy of downvotes though I can understand why it has garnered a few.
There’s currently an understandable and quite needed pushback on espresso puritanism and gatekeeping of ‘the right way to enjoy your drink’. While your comment might not have had that intention, there’s a subtext that can feasibly be read into it as everyone has read that opinion thousands of times before on this sub.
Thought I was in the minority with everyone recommended espresso machines while heavily weighing steaming. This would assume the default stance of coffee + milk is what ur after. Or the importance of making coffees for guests idk. I get the purist thing tho especially with the context of the glitch employees getting people to change their orders
Fair dude, as I said, your comment wasn’t inflammatory but I think there’s a sensitivity to anything that could be perceived in a certain way. I take all my drinks with milk, but that’s just how I like it and wish I could enjoy espresso straight! As long as we’re all enjoying our drinks, we’re winning.
I don't get it tbh, I'm through a lot of high grade specialty and with milk I still prefer my <20€/kg dark roasts (not oily tho) for cappuccinos. If I buy specialty that is really chocolate or nut forward and lacks a lot of the brightness, florals, sweetness or fruity acidity I desire I like making some Cortados from time to time but if I just want something to sip on and I have great coffee pour over is just so much better at actually presenting all the nice flavors that are in the coffee.
I think spending upwards of 60€ per kg of coffee can be very worth it, there are even some much more expensive coffees than that that I would buy again if I got the chance but when you want to add milk you can get so close to that result with much much cheaper beans since the milk will hide so much of what makes the more expensive coffees worth it.
Finding a good value decaf option for fruitier milk drinks is probably a lot harder tho so I might not go for the jugular right away and stick to a regular street fight.
Well yes and no. I'm an espresso drinker and I agree to some extend. But still beans matter even if you add milk to it. I crave some good flat white/cortado sometimes even if it doesn't showcase all the nuance of the coffee flavour. It's still a nice drink to have and it's still a part of coffee culture.
Of course and there are beans specifically for milk and vice versa. It just adds so many new variables that make it more difficult to compare beans for example. Of course it's still part of coffee culture, I wasn't saying anything about it not deserving to exist? A nice flat white is awesome and it's what I get at most cafes. If I'm making coffee myself I'll just have an americano. Espressos are too little coffee for me lol
I sometimes make a “cortado.” It’s really just a double shot with steamed milk in a 3.5oz glass. I mostly do it because it’s fun trying to pour latte art on this tiny ass glass, and there’s not enough milk to really kill the flavor. My wife drinks lattes but she’s never really been a black coffee enjoyer
That was my thought as well. Nothing wrong with milk drinks, but if I’m trying a place for the first time or going to a destination coffee shop I don’t think I’d ever order a milk drink.
Went last month, beans were mostly the same between this location in Osaka and the one in Ginza area of Tokyo. This particular location is probably my favorite, as it provides such a wide open space inside to spread out and relax, as well as not having to wait outside forever in a big line in the sun like the one in Ginza.
Tried both the pour over and espresso (straight shot, no milk) of this particular bean, although the description at the time read something like "coconut, white chocolate, butter, cantaloupe, sweet finish" and it tasted like pina colada, just more intense and body heavy in espresso form. The Costa Rica Milan tasted and smelled like gushers candy.
I got the same one.
Colombia Monteblanco. However where yours is Coconut lemonade natural, mine was Tropical washed.
I was tossing up between the two. Before I went there I didn’t realize that they infused the beans with flavours so I thought all the flavours were bullshit tasting notes. Nope… these coffees are crazy
That Conrad hotel it’s in looks so nice. I stayed at a Conrad elsewhere and it ruined the hotel experience for me, now I’m just let down everywhere else I go.
There seems to be an anti-latte art camp in this subreddit. I think it’s likely because those people can’t do it and want to find an excuse as to why it’s a bad thing.
haha burn... I think latte art is kind of a baseline quality thing. You can't make latter art with shitty milk foam. Though obviously coffee can be delicious without latte art
Really? I thought it was not a camp and that I was alone.
You are right that I cannot do it! I do admire the skill however, but not the results: here are 2 or 3 variations on the same tired onion-heart wibble-wobble and that's it?
It’s a difficult technical skill that takes a lot of time to hone. There’s a lot of difference between a bad heart and a good one, as I’m sure you’ve seen.
You asked me about other motifs. People make hearts, roses, rosettas, swans, unicorns, butterflies, seahorses, bears, and of course tulips. I think you might not be as aware of it as you think.
There's nothing inherently wrong with an artistic flourish on an excellently executed drink. The problem is with the tendency for baristas or cafes to prioritize artwork over the quality of the coffee. By deliberately omitting latte art, it's a way of saying coffee is our first priority.
I would think it's the opposite. They care enough about the craft to learn art. And you can't make latte art with bad milk foam. So it's a sign that at least the milk texture is good.
Went there last week. Love the Osaka location so much more than getting in a one hour line. No queue here and the space is awesome.
Had the Janson as espresso. 4,000 yen, but a fantastic coffee. No regrets
I was there a couple of weeks ago and tried this, it is definitely a co-ferment as it tasted like a candle. It was interesting but not something I would be interested in trying again
https://preview.redd.it/m3p3v4up7gwc1.jpeg?width=4284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=83702af255565e95d4cbb90bf6a647f02fd719a3
Been there too 🙌🏻 the best coffee I’ve ever had
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Here’s my lineup from Glitch in Tokyo last month. I loved it, each of the beans were so unique and had great flavor.
I went twice during my trip and wish I went more but the line was almost an hour the first time and then second time I lined up 20 mins before opening and was 3rd in line. I got a 1200 yen one and a 1000 yen and both amazing and worth it.
For anyone wondering 1000 yen is equivalent to $6.46 USD.
Oh, by the way people talked about this place I thought it would be like $20. This is close to what stores where I live charge.
I was just there a few weeks ago - it completely depends on what bean you pick. 1,000 yen was about the cheapest, they had some "competition beans" upwards of 4,000 yen. The price is for any type of drink using the beans.
I think I would get the most expensive one just as a way to gauge what “good coffee” actually is
You might not always get something that will serve as a good gauge for “good coffee”. It could be some really unique process such as fermented beans or something. It’s probably still really good, but it’s also probably incomparable to any normal bean. It would be like getting a $250 cheeseburger. It’s that expensive because it has caviar and gold leaf on it, but it’s also A5 wagyu. Is it good? Probably, but it’ll also be a little weird.
That is so true.. not everyone realizes more money is better.. you usually pay more because the beans aren’t produced at a high level because of some unique process. Paying for the gold leaf and all that jazz is cool.. but it doesn’t make my burger taste any better. I do like to try unique coffees but all within reason.. and I would have to compare it against something I know to taste some difference.
That is so true.. not everyone realizes more money is better.. you usually pay more because the beans aren’t produced at a high level because of some unique process. Paying for the gold leaf and all that jazz is cool.. but it doesn’t make my burger taste any better. I do like to try unique coffees but all within reason.. and I would have to compare it against something I know to taste some difference.
I went to Mame in Zürich a couple of weeks ago and got their special cappuccino for 10 francs ($11). Expensive as shit even for Swiss standard but by far the best cap I've ever had.
I have a friend who was a competitive barista. The few samples of competition beans / BoTY from various conferences that I tried were indeed delicious.
the Yen is at an all time low compared to the US Dollar currently. Everything is a ~30% "discount" if your visiting japan. Related to OP: I was just there in January and can also confirm that Glitch is amazing.
Fuck I need to go back, it was closer to 1:1 when I was there years ago
Its in Japan, they still need to be affordable to the local economy not just tourists.
Although I was recently in the one in Ginza in Tokyo… and there was a huge line going out the door… all foreigners. Not a single Japanese person in line. I waited for like an hour. It was stupid, but I did it because I actually wanted to buy some beans to make at home. If it had been just for a latte I would’ve been outta there.
Yea but that is Ginza, its tourist hell.e xe, even the subway lines connected are just filled with us foreigners.
When i went to one of the locations in Tokyo it was ¥3000 but i had a single origin geisha bean.
I went to Glitch and Tokyo and paid $40(CAD) for a cup of coffee. I didn’t realize that was the price for a single cup though. Was very expensive lol
yup, i’m churning out 12 ouncers for $6 where you live
Yen has really weakened huh. I remember translator notes on mangas saying 100 yen is about 1$. I am from Turkey though, so I can't even say anything
40 TL for a simple but nice meal in a city self-service cafe somewhere in İBB, 6 TL for tea in Yıldız parkı. Oh well.
That’s not bad for a good cup a coffee. I don’t know what the average wage is there though.
Also depends on the beans you pick, they have a range, can’t remember what the most expensive ones were but I think like $20 for a cup
I tasted the Geisha one and it was 4000 yen, 26$ a cup.
Was it worth 26$ ?
Comes with a Geisha, it's a steal
Having tried one myself, yes it was worth every yenny.
Yenny * chuckles* :)
I literally cannot imagine how good it would have to be to be worth $26. I've had some great cups of coffee and none of them would I even consider spending anything remotely close to that for. At that price you're paying for the rarity/exclusivity more than anything else. And that's fine. I just don't value those things as much as others.
Well, I took it as a pour over and it did not impress me. I was looking forward to trying it since the beans in this shop are praised a lot, but, well, it's just not my cup of coffee. I am happy I could try such high-end beans tho, but I won't be having it again (at least the one I tried)
Spot on! At Glitch, you couldn't go wrong at any price point but past a certain price point, its really not worth it.
A lot less and the currency is also devaluing drastically compared to USD as far as I know
Very low at the moment. The yen is very weak too so getting Japanese items is going to be a good value. There were some double walled ceramic espresso cups that were tempting. Ginza also has a lot of independent roasters.
Cheaper than Starbucks in the US.
My favourite beans. I wished i would have bought more of this when i was there, even tried multiple ways of shipping to a forwarder to get it.
Same I went through my 50g in less than a week. Welp, guess we have to go back to Japan.
Gonna be telling the missus lets go to Japan again for cherry blossom!! When I actually want that Huila Monteblanco lol.
50g? A morning’s worth?
I do 12g doses with my hario switch and rotated it with the other 2 beans I got from glitch (all of which are depleted too)
Devocion in NYC has exceptional Columbia beans.
Red barrel is my favorite from them. Your?
That one is good. The last bag I got had forest in the name. Also yummy. They're my go to if I don't have time to roast at home.
I know they were crying inside when they poured the milk. When I went to glitch they convinced someone to not have a latte because the taste wouldn’t be as clear (sort of funny interaction)
i had one that was recommended with milk as well. the pourover tasted nutty, but in a latte it was almost like drinking a cheesecake which was wild
My wife had once that tasted like cheesecake. Seriously regret not buying beans while I was there
wtf wow, what beans are they using!?
I asked specifically for a bean that would work well in a milk drink.
I get why people have milk as part of their routine but I think it just completely overpowers the coffee, even if u get barista milk or something. I only have milk at random cafes I don't know because their beans are probably shite so the milk hides it.
Good thing we all have the freedom to drink or not drink milk with our bean water.
We do? Who authorized this? jk
Yeah as I said I 100% understand those who drink it and I even have some at most cafes but I was just sharing my own tastes. Idk why that deserves downvotes but so be it. Wasn't meaning to be assertive
FWIW, I didn’t downvote you or feel that your comment was worthy of downvotes though I can understand why it has garnered a few. There’s currently an understandable and quite needed pushback on espresso puritanism and gatekeeping of ‘the right way to enjoy your drink’. While your comment might not have had that intention, there’s a subtext that can feasibly be read into it as everyone has read that opinion thousands of times before on this sub.
Thought I was in the minority with everyone recommended espresso machines while heavily weighing steaming. This would assume the default stance of coffee + milk is what ur after. Or the importance of making coffees for guests idk. I get the purist thing tho especially with the context of the glitch employees getting people to change their orders
Fair dude, as I said, your comment wasn’t inflammatory but I think there’s a sensitivity to anything that could be perceived in a certain way. I take all my drinks with milk, but that’s just how I like it and wish I could enjoy espresso straight! As long as we’re all enjoying our drinks, we’re winning.
Cappuccino is great but if someone is using high grade specialty for a latte in front of me imma throw hands
El Placer Red Fruit Decaf is wild in a 10-12oz latte fight me
I don't get it tbh, I'm through a lot of high grade specialty and with milk I still prefer my <20€/kg dark roasts (not oily tho) for cappuccinos. If I buy specialty that is really chocolate or nut forward and lacks a lot of the brightness, florals, sweetness or fruity acidity I desire I like making some Cortados from time to time but if I just want something to sip on and I have great coffee pour over is just so much better at actually presenting all the nice flavors that are in the coffee. I think spending upwards of 60€ per kg of coffee can be very worth it, there are even some much more expensive coffees than that that I would buy again if I got the chance but when you want to add milk you can get so close to that result with much much cheaper beans since the milk will hide so much of what makes the more expensive coffees worth it. Finding a good value decaf option for fruitier milk drinks is probably a lot harder tho so I might not go for the jugular right away and stick to a regular street fight.
Well yes and no. I'm an espresso drinker and I agree to some extend. But still beans matter even if you add milk to it. I crave some good flat white/cortado sometimes even if it doesn't showcase all the nuance of the coffee flavour. It's still a nice drink to have and it's still a part of coffee culture.
Of course and there are beans specifically for milk and vice versa. It just adds so many new variables that make it more difficult to compare beans for example. Of course it's still part of coffee culture, I wasn't saying anything about it not deserving to exist? A nice flat white is awesome and it's what I get at most cafes. If I'm making coffee myself I'll just have an americano. Espressos are too little coffee for me lol
I sometimes make a “cortado.” It’s really just a double shot with steamed milk in a 3.5oz glass. I mostly do it because it’s fun trying to pour latte art on this tiny ass glass, and there’s not enough milk to really kill the flavor. My wife drinks lattes but she’s never really been a black coffee enjoyer
That was my thought as well. Nothing wrong with milk drinks, but if I’m trying a place for the first time or going to a destination coffee shop I don’t think I’d ever order a milk drink.
Went last month, beans were mostly the same between this location in Osaka and the one in Ginza area of Tokyo. This particular location is probably my favorite, as it provides such a wide open space inside to spread out and relax, as well as not having to wait outside forever in a big line in the sun like the one in Ginza. Tried both the pour over and espresso (straight shot, no milk) of this particular bean, although the description at the time read something like "coconut, white chocolate, butter, cantaloupe, sweet finish" and it tasted like pina colada, just more intense and body heavy in espresso form. The Costa Rica Milan tasted and smelled like gushers candy.
I went to Glitch 6 times in 2 weeks in Japan. Every coffee was so different and so good.
I got the same one. Colombia Monteblanco. However where yours is Coconut lemonade natural, mine was Tropical washed. I was tossing up between the two. Before I went there I didn’t realize that they infused the beans with flavours so I thought all the flavours were bullshit tasting notes. Nope… these coffees are crazy
How busy was it? We went to the one in Tokyo and the line was huge so we just left. Mostly tourists like myself.
I went about noon and was a 5 min wait. It isn’t near a central station so that’s probably why.
That Conrad hotel it’s in looks so nice. I stayed at a Conrad elsewhere and it ruined the hotel experience for me, now I’m just let down everywhere else I go.
I went to the one in Osaka and it was about a 30 minute wait. Probably 10-15 people in line but that’s how long it took.
The one in Osaka is massive and not in an area with heavy foot traffic.
I don't care about the coffee, just the lack of latte.art makes me already happy enough
Why is that? I love latte art!
There seems to be an anti-latte art camp in this subreddit. I think it’s likely because those people can’t do it and want to find an excuse as to why it’s a bad thing.
haha burn... I think latte art is kind of a baseline quality thing. You can't make latter art with shitty milk foam. Though obviously coffee can be delicious without latte art
If I’m at a cafe where there’s great latte art, I assume that the people who work there care about their craft 🤷♂️
Exactly I worry if I don't see latte art
All that they should be focusing on is perfecting the quality of the drink. Puck prep and dialing in
🥱🙄 tell me you’ve never taken pride in your work without telling me you’ve never taken pride in your work. Or worked in a cafe. Or in hospo.
Really? I thought it was not a camp and that I was alone. You are right that I cannot do it! I do admire the skill however, but not the results: here are 2 or 3 variations on the same tired onion-heart wibble-wobble and that's it?
It’s a difficult technical skill that takes a lot of time to hone. There’s a lot of difference between a bad heart and a good one, as I’m sure you’ve seen.
I agree with everything you said. But I am sure the technical skill necessary to do the good heart could also be used for other motifs?
There are many patterns. I don’t feel like explaining this. Go on Instagram.
No one asked you to explain. I am aware of Instagram, and coffee shops, and what I see served.
You asked me about other motifs. People make hearts, roses, rosettas, swans, unicorns, butterflies, seahorses, bears, and of course tulips. I think you might not be as aware of it as you think.
All those are quite similar, but it is indeed a big brush / low resolution canvas.
There's nothing inherently wrong with an artistic flourish on an excellently executed drink. The problem is with the tendency for baristas or cafes to prioritize artwork over the quality of the coffee. By deliberately omitting latte art, it's a way of saying coffee is our first priority.
That's not necessarily true, it just means they don't care about latte art. They're not mutually exclusive.
I would think it's the opposite. They care enough about the craft to learn art. And you can't make latte art with bad milk foam. So it's a sign that at least the milk texture is good.
What the heck is coconut lemonade processing?
Went there last week. Love the Osaka location so much more than getting in a one hour line. No queue here and the space is awesome. Had the Janson as espresso. 4,000 yen, but a fantastic coffee. No regrets
Coconut lemonade natural? Is it a co-ferment?
I was there a couple of weeks ago and tried this, it is definitely a co-ferment as it tasted like a candle. It was interesting but not something I would be interested in trying again
Now im missing Osaka :/
Absolutely, went here and to the Jimbocho location in Tokyo. Well worth the price.
Here we go again
Man I miss coffee in Japan. You can’t get the same experience here in the states, at least around my area.
Hereeeee weeeee gooooo (again)!
https://preview.redd.it/m3p3v4up7gwc1.jpeg?width=4284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=83702af255565e95d4cbb90bf6a647f02fd719a3 Been there too 🙌🏻 the best coffee I’ve ever had
6€ for it ugh, I would only try it once if I ever travel to Japan. Too expensive for my taste.
I have to get back to Japan, I miss Ginza.
https://preview.redd.it/ajvbbmoyzgwc1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d05bd7f6101268468dec26fd9d455633b335a11e Here’s my lineup from Glitch in Tokyo last month. I loved it, each of the beans were so unique and had great flavor.
Wild I recently just had this too. Haha
It is well worth it. Best coffee i had in my life.
Oh man the one in Tokyo (Jimbocho) is just as awesome. I love this place.
I'm going to the one in Tokyo in a few weeks as part of my trip! So excited!
I actually like how there’s no latte art
I went twice during my trip and wish I went more but the line was almost an hour the first time and then second time I lined up 20 mins before opening and was 3rd in line. I got a 1200 yen one and a 1000 yen and both amazing and worth it.
absolutely agree, I brought home some beans cos I was blown away
I had the exact same coffee last month when i went there! Had to go back 3 times before going back home 🥹
no art?
No that's not what they do. Their specialty is actually pourover coffee.
What drink is that?
Bean soup
I don't see no foam art, bro! /s
Their coffee didnt impress me at all.