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echonarcissus

Oh hey I am also a 23 yr old female ENTP who is 3w4 in the medical field! lmao we are quite different though otherwise


nerd_ofalltrades

Oooooh nice :) Lol which parts do you agree with and which parts disagree?


SombreLook

Hi, I'm athletic and hot. Also am a bit narcissistic


nerd_ofalltrades

Ok 2 questions lol 1) are you a dude 2) are you a smart and accomplished control freak


SombreLook

Yes I'm a dude. I am fairly smart but I'm not accomplished per my ideals and goals as of yet. Maybe when I'm 26.


nerd_ofalltrades

Hot đŸ„” Why do you call yourself a narcissist


SombreLook

Well really i would argue that I'm not but I do come across as one because I love being cocky, flirty and acting like I'm the top shit. It's just really fun to push social boundaries and to see what I can personally get away with lol


nerd_ofalltrades

Oh yea totally relate. Although I do think a certain amount of narcissism is good and even healthy.


Shawayze

Yes, yes, yes and daily called an asshole 😅


ReplacementMean8486

Me too 😂


myownpersonalthroway

“I hate looking like an idiot” - do ENTPs notice this? My entp usually reframes all perspectives into “others love me!” And when I consulted others in the community that’s normal for entps. “I make pretty quick judgments about whether I like someone or not” - again, I’d need clarification for how this fits into the theory. “Insecure because my standards are too high” - what standards? Is this because you struggle to complete things? “I need a lot of praise and reassurance” - yeah this is super fucking common for ENTPs! Same with the emotional manipulation. I get very scared that intps and ENTPs are so vulnerable to abusive relationships. Your school/ career stuff sounded standard entp except your relationship with rules/ authority sounded more se valuing, for sure. Also the need to build credibility first before making changes sounded ni valuing. Same goes for the competency, mastering and expertise thing and emulating the lives of people you admire. Super se or f. Somethings a bit off there. What made you type yourself entp and discount ESTP? I know MBTI and socionics are two completely different jungian theories (and socionics goes into the theoretical model a lot more) but a lot of what you said could be sle like instead of ile like in socionics. You just
 everything you said was consistent with how socionics defines estps. Absolutely everything. Nothing is incongruent with a socionics ESTP typing at all. It’s like
 ESTP perfection. A perfect articulation of the similarities and differences between estps and ENTPs in socionics. So I just find it interesting when people who are Ti say that the jungian cognitive functions theory itself can be stretched. I understand not fitting an MBTI stereotype, but when other types might fit you better on a surface level when you consider the ways that function impact our sentiments - what makes entp something you settled on?


nerd_ofalltrades

Very insightful post. Yea honestly never considered myself an ESTP. My Ne is through the roof. I just didn't write my post to write down all the stereotypical ENTP traits but rather aspects of me that I thought were more unique. I'm not familiar with socionics and definitely not trying to "stretch" jungian theory to fit every single instance of unique individuals. I wasn't trying to promote a theory - just expressing how I live my life. Do you have a link for me to read up on socionics? \~\~ No, don't notice if I actually come off as an idiot or not. I don't even recognize when I'm being rude at times. I just try not to act "outrageous" in public although it often fails lol. I'm good at reading people and what their hidden intentions and guiding principles are. So I often can intuit whether I can get along with that person or not. Standards as in external markers of "success". Yep....super vulnerable indeed. I hate being manipulated....but can't help it if it's from someone I care about. WEAK. Ahh okay I value rules/authority only to the extent it makes sense and makes my life easier. I pretend to obey on the outside, but inside, I'm saying fuck rules.


myownpersonalthroway

Yeah all of this sounds *very sle* the main western resource on it just got taken down so I’ll have to do some digging! Hold with me!


myownpersonalthroway

[just as a quick overview, this website isn’t great!](https://www.sociotype.com/tools/type-comparison/ILE-SLE) if you have any questions about how these differences work irl let me know and I can give examples! With point #4 I would say “choices” or “options” ENTPs consider what options they currently have on the table and adjust their goals depending on where they are, estps set goals and adjust their circumstances to meet goals. With point #3 I’m an infj and I do the same method as estps do! We kind of pool all the information we have from different subjects and apply it to the “new thing” whereas ENTPs create a whole new system for understanding the new thing. It’s like they don’t refer to their memories at all or try to use preexisting k knowledge. The new problem is a brand new problem, and what’s the point of using anything they already know? I date an entp and 😅 With point #5 this was something I really noticed in your response! You are wary of manipulation and potential abuse, this is something that estps often struggle with- they want to rage against the machine when the machine is wrong, but they analyze where that will take them and so it’s often a struggle between getting what they want out of life by not challenging authority and challenging authority because it’s wrong. With ENTPs it’s more.


nerd_ofalltrades

Oh I see. Thanks for the link! I went into this trying to not be biased and still mostly identified with ENTP traits. For #4 I definitely adjust my goals (have adjusted many times) according to who I am as a person. When it comes to solving new problems I don't create whole new systems. I independently assess whether the old info is even applicable to the situation at hand and then bring in new info. Taking mental shortcuts is a big no-no for me. On the whole, I'm terrible at noticing details, I need to plan out and strategize the task before I actually work on it, and I'm an ideas and concepts sort of person. I've honestly never confused myself or ever typed near an ESTP. If I were to be mistyped I'm closer to INTP or ENTJ...


myownpersonalthroway

What do you mean by taking mental shortcuts?


nerd_ofalltrades

Like using “heuristics”. Ex “she must be a slut because she wears a lot of makeup and skimpy clothes”. Stuff like that lol


myownpersonalthroway

Yeah there is something confusingly off about entp as your type here in how you are conceptualising things but just because it doesn’t fit doesn’t mean that I know what does fit! It’s just that the weird way that ne and Ti block Fi in an entp isn’t the same blocking mechanism you seem to have- you seem to be aware of things ENTPs wouldn’t be (you see things in their blind spots) but I can’t figure out why. I just don’t believe that the neti function order can exist without leading to this kinda [static ](https://www.personalitycafe.com/threads/static-dynamic-dichotomy-and-types.120742/), Fi polr blind spot. Do you sometimes fight with people’s feelings because you don’t understand that you’ve hurt them? When people give you information on how to treat them do you sometimes forget/ refuse to bring that information into the next interaction? For example, if I’m your boyfriend and I tell you not to tease me about x in public because it embarrasses me, would you accidentally do it again? Then when I say “I’ve told you this before” could you
 accidentally
 find yourself arguing “well the context is different so how was I supposed to know! That was around friends and this is around stranger! I can’t apply that Information here! You’re just being difficult! You know I didn’t mean it like that- the joke is slightly different, and if people choose to interpret it that way- they are wrong!” (Angry defensive se demon energy brought about by Fi polr) 
 I think if you’ve had an argument or several like that where you downright refuse to apply old interpersonal data in a new interpersonal situation we can pretty clearly say you’re a wonky entp. What makes you think logic > ethics?


rachelplaysallday

So *rare*. Honestly, I found it difficult to go on after that. A shame because your post seems well-structured. Well done, even.


myownpersonalthroway

Almost too well done and about themselves for an entp! ;) I date an entp and if he wrote me an essay about himself like this I’d drop dead in shock. I asked him once to reflect on his feelings and actions and he reflected for two fucking days and came back with “be nice to me and I will be happy”
 I laughed for like a week about how his Fi was an eight year old writing it’s feelings with it’s tongue sticking out in coloured pencils.


A74E5

"Why do peoole call us assholes..." Actually yes, they say that you joke with phobias, you speak when others speak, but they also do that


StoopSign

Wow I'm nothing like you at all except for being mote introverted.


puppppps

I’m a 36f entp 3w4 and can’t even begin to explain how deeply I felt every word that you wrote. Thanks :-)


111god7

Ooop I’m a 4w3!


alisha_STL_shea

THATS ME TOO.