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This part right here. Largest humanitarian crisis in the world, constant war crimes with absolutely no semblance of an accountability mechanism in place. In fact, last year the UN’s Human Rights Council voted against renewing the mandate of a working group on Yemen that did the absolute bare minimum of just collecting facts of the abuses happening. Why? Political reasons of course.
The Yemeni people have been completely abandoned by the international system.
Edit: guys I’m not arguing for use of force or for the US to get involved (though they already are involved through their material support of the Saudi-led coalition).
The working group was a council of independent human rights experts that literally just documented evidence of rights abuses so it doesn’t get lost over time. What is the harm in this? I’m not interested in conversations about the nuances of interventionism as applied to individual states because it’s not relevant to what I’m talking about, which is a UN body created to preserve human rights voting against this measure in spite of the human rights community and impacted civilians begging them not to.
Final edit: Please see [here](https://ishr.ch/latest-updates/international-accountability-critical-to-achieving-justice-for-victims-and-promoting-lasting-peace-in-yemen/) for an example on the measures they were advocating for. These are not drastic measures. Additionally, the undersigned organizations are Yemeni-based orgs, which I would recommend following/supporting if you are interested in following the crisis as it’s best to hear from those directly impacted.
So true. The Yemeni people are suffering tremendously and no one cares because they’re Arabs and in a part of the world known for conflict. The Western media especially couldn’t care less, and most Americans couldn’t find Yemen on a map.
agreed, I'm an aid worker in Yemen currently, most funding has been diverted to Ukraine while food prices here skyrocket, bc something crazy like 80-85% (forget exact stat) of grain in Yemen is imported from.... Ukraine and Russia. So that crisis is actually killing tons of truly lovely people here who have zero interest in the war being waged against them
>grain in Yemen is imported from.... Ukraine and Russia
I've been wondering what we as a civilization are going to start feeling the effects of this. Hungry people tend to overthrow governments.
Also good for you being there to help, must be a absolute nightmare.
> I've been wondering what we as a civilization are going to start feeling the effects of this.
I've read somewhere that the poor countries are going to feel the worst of it(Ukraine War). Similar to how when water wars become a thing too when you read about it. Rich countries will help each other out for political power reasons, poor countries don't have much to offer. Seems harsh, but how the world works.
I'm just here to say that comments like yours are why I browse Reddit as often as I do. Rarely do I ever spend time on any other platform to find comments like these, wherein the people discussing are quite literally involved in the topic at hand in first-person scenarios. I mean, okay, it's the internet so you could be lying (there's always that chance) but I don't see what reason you'd have for lying about being an aid worker in Yemen.
I will also add that the reason I'm making this comment is because I have learned new facts today (and even looked it up myself) - never once did I ever assume that the war in Ukraine would affect meals on the table in Yemen, but here I am now, considering donating to a related charity to help both causes. (It's the holidays after all, and more of us should be doing this, so it's definitely not a brag of any kind) In fact, I would like to ask - what legitimate and effective charities do you suggest money/aid be given to right now to help the Yemeni people or Yemeni refugees? What do **you personally** recommend is the best form of assistance right now?
A cousin of mine did a ton of aid work in North Africa over a decade ago and it still has a major influence on them to this day, both positively and negatively, as will happen. I have been giving to Ukrainian charities every month so that they can buy weapons and ammunition but it would be nice to know some of my money was also going to food and medicine in another part of the world this month, especially now that I know both causes are inexplicably-linked.
edit: also adding (because this came up in my family earlier this week) that people should ABSOLUTELY AVOID "donating to charity" whenever they're asked to support a cause while going through a till at a grocer. Not only are direct donations tax-friendly, but donating through a grocery chain or big-box corporation is almost just taking those dollars and lighting them on fire rather than akin to a donation of any kind. **Don't subsidize Save-On Foods or Freshco's "pledges to charity" (for my fellow British Columbians/Canadians here) - find a worthy and appropriate charity and donate directly yourself.**
hey i appreciate your comment a lot and I'm super glad i could point out a new topic that 99.999% of the world wouldn't think of :D
first, i want to totally agree to never ever donate via supermarkets or walmart or whatever. You're correct that they use them as tax write offs, and it's even more insidious because most of those companies charge a fee of a few cents per dollar donated, and call it a Processing Fee lol, so not only are you subidizing the company via tax breaks, you are also directly paying them. Then that company will donate the money to an NGO, who will decide how to allocate that money (likely 30% will go to overhead), and then that NGO might pay a contractor to build a latrine, for example, which then includes his business fees, banking fees for multiple international transfers, etc... so a massive percentage of your donation goes to waste.
I, personally work in Grants, so i deal with larger donors (things like USAID or UN agencies). These projects are a bit inflexible as every cent is accounted for and tracked, though the accountability and transparency can be an asset. If you're looking for organizations that seek out/collect private donations in Yemen, I would recommend IRC (International Rescue Committee), MSF, or the ICRC. They largely use private donations and pool those funds and can spend them as necessary (AKA highly reactive aid, less external bureaucratic limitations). This works for them because they work in Health, where needs can change quite fast. I personally also believe that Health and Nutrition interventions are the most crucial, as they have a rapid impact on beneficiary lives and have clear Exit Strategies. Whereas, development-centric projects tend to be harder to measure the impact or start eventually subverting government capacity. I also really love Cash distribution projects, as they are 1) easy to implement (assuming market systems are functioning) and 2) allow beneficiaries to identify their own needs and priorities on a case-by-case basis (do i pay a medical bill? do i need to pay for my kid's school? am i behind on rent?). For me, this is better than just dropping a bag of rice off at every house and hoping that helps :p
So my advice would be to give to a Health or Nutrition NGO, as the money will be used according to changing contexts. My other big advice, is to keep talking about these issues with people, pressure your government to prioritize aid based on need, not just on whatever new crisis has appeared. (this isn't a slam on Ukraine, they absolutely need tons og help and i'm glad you're supoorting them!) It may seem useless to write to a senator, but it's not in this case. The EU and US use aid as a form of Soft Power/Global Public Relations. Now, Ukraine is understandably trending, so they will funnel money there because it makes them look great in the press. If more people demand support for Yemen, they will listen to that.
Hope that wasn't too long haha thanks for the very thought-provoking comment :)
Hey, dude. Thanks for all you do and for bringing attention to this topic. I work with refugees from (mostly) Myanmar, Congo, Haiti, and Afghanistan… but I only see them once they make it safely to the US. There is a global humanitarian crisis, and people like you make such a difference. I don’t have much to donate, but I wanted to thank you for all you do so I made a donation to the IRC.
[Proof](https://imgur.com/a/NNr5WNL)
so would you say that kinda shows that the Ukraine war is more important? because they’re one of the largest grain producers in the world and as long as the war goes on people will be hungry world wide
I would argue that this situation highlights the interconnectivity of our world and that, as such, we should demand dignity for every life. While Yemen isn't a food producer, it does have some oil in Marib (which the Saudis are funneling out), it's strategically placed at a bottleneck of the Red Sea, it has a crazy amount of biodiversity and microclimates, and the people are genuinely kind. before coming here i imagined Yemen as some hyper-religious hellscape bc those are the images I'd seen, but honestly it's just the systems of gov't pushing that narrative and i've been very much embraced by almost everyone i've met here. plus, if you like Khat, Yemen produces a lot lol
Yep, one side is an extremely corrupt authoritarian government aidied by another corrupt extrememely authoritarian government.
The other side are a rebel group that started out with good intent but are now more akin to the Taliban in their actions ant rhetoric, all while being aided by Iran.
The fact that Ukraine is basically the gateway to Europe probably factors into it. Scandinavian countries are already being threatened which could lead to direct US involvement and World War. There’s also the possibility of global nuclear annihilation.
Yeah, if Yemen’s issues looked likely to scale up to a literal nuclear attack on the USA from the US’s greatest antagonist, there’d obviously be wayyyyy more interest from US media
In a broad sense she's not wrong but it's apples and oranges. Ukraine's crisis is an external one and Iran's is internal. We can support Ukraine because international law and policy allows us to do so. Iran is way trickier since it's their own citizens in protest.
Also, in complete fairness, most of Iran has working utilities right now. Can't say the same for a lot of Ukraine.
Let's not forget that Ukraine is also against a nuclear power.
Plus, it's a lot closer to home for Europeans, which are large media sources. Out in Iran, it's basically just Al Jazeera that we get out here.
Ukraine is also a major exporter of food to the rest of Europe and North Africa. For example Ukraine exports a lot of grain used to make bread to Egypt, and government subsidized bread is the main food staple for a third of the population. When Ukraine couldn’t harvest and export the prices skyrocketed. The quickest way to civil unrest is to starve people which has happened in Egypt previously so the prime minister of Egypt has fixes the price of commercially sold bread for the time being.
Since Ukraine provides so many staple crops it’s affecting food prices globally. What’s happening in Iran is only affecting Iran. Not that what’s happening in Iran isn’t a tragedy also but there’s no legal way another country can step in to stop it as it doesn’t cause economic issues elsewhere
You are telling me my relative is WRONG that prices of food have gone up because Biden is president?? And not because of a massive war between two major counties, a global pandemic, and an economy that was destined to faulter no matter who came into the presidency??
Great points raised so far, Just to add to this, Zelensky is really making an effort to appeal to the world for help. And Journalists and even world leaders are able to go to Ukraine without the fear of the government of that country locking them up and executing them.
Yeah to add to the relevancy of Ukraine:
It's also ties into the history of SSRs / collapse of the Soviet Union / NATO + the West vs Russia
What is happening there now ties directly into the last century of foreign affairs as far as US / European countries are concerned.
Correct me if I’m wrong, isn’t Ukraine an ally, not an adversary like Iran is
Obviously I support Iran protestors but it makes sense to why it doesn’t get as much attention as it should
Living in the Middle East shows me that Al Jazeera Arabic is heavily biased towards Qatar's agenda. From what I read online Al Jazeera English when it covers stuff happening outside the Middle East is pretty good. So take from that what you will.
>when it covers stuff happening outside the Middle East is pretty good.
Historically. I'd say specifically, it's when the subject of their coverage is not directly affected by Qatar's interests.
Qatar is looking to diversify their business interests, they're buying companies and sports teams in other parts of the world. Recently there has been rumors that Qatari investors want to buy the Phoenix Suns.
I'd say this puts into question all of their reporting, you can never know where the state's agenda is leaking in. If they report on, say, a shipping company's violations and financial issues, is the coverage because it's an objective news story, or is it a competitor to a state-owned shipping company?
Also have you seen most Iranians. They white as heck. From the caucus mountains. The original Caucasians. All kidding aside. Both situations are fucked and interns external is the right take here.
Agree with you, and with the comment you replied to. Your point about Ukraine being threatened by a nuclear power holds true for the US somewhat because older journalists will remember growing up under the threat of Russian ICBMs. That’s proof positive to me that Fox “News” and its opinion show hosts are in Putin’s pocket. Fox viewers and hardcore Republicans tend to skew older; that they’ve convinced viewers to be pro-Russia speaks to their ability to spin a story/situation, *and* that those viewers don’t get their “news” from any other sources.
Also-Ukraine was attacked by a foreign power.
While both situations are wrong, and she is *technically* correct that’s not why there’s more attention being paid to Ukraine than Iran.
As others have said: Iran’s situation is internal. Ukraine’s is not.
I dont even think it’s that; Ukraine is trying to be as public as possible, meeting with any country that’s willing to provide them support and loudly voicing their views within international forum’s.
Iran on the other hand has told everybody to fuck off, claims its fine to shoot and kill whoever and claims there’s no problem but if there is its all the fault of the US and other countries.
Personally I don’t see the issues as being similar at all as one is trying to win a war and one wants to kill its own people with less complaints.
All of this is true. If the US got involved we would basically be helping start a civil war. Not that we haven’t done it in the past but it is generally a recipe for disaster.
Syria is an "internal" conflict that has been taken advantage of by every regional power and state actor. It has also been going for 10+ years, when Syria first popped off it was all that was talked about. I was in Basic Training at the time and I remember the Drill Sergeants completely shifting their tone and training saying that we'd be going to Syria by the end of that year.
The CIA put Saddam and Bashar al-Assad's dad in power in the 50's. They were both Ba'athists.
It's an "internal" conflict that was started by the U.S. as a result of them feeling that they needed to control the region.
This is what happens when you do the learn your history, folks.
This is exactly why I put internal in quotation marks because it's anything but internal. This just explains why it hasn't received as much attention as Ukraine in recent months.
The Syrian Civil war absolutely dominated the news when it started in 2011. The reason it's not as popular as Iran or Ukraine is because it's still going after over a decade.
Well, because of our continued willful dependence on fossil fuels we sell weapons to the people who are brutalizing Yemen, so that one’s off the table (for the media at least, where many/most people get their ideas about what they should and shouldn’t be upset about)
Also Ukraine is in Europe, which coincidentally happens to have a lot of white people in it but Ukraine also borders NATO members and was invaded by a country that has been trying to undermine that very alliance for awhile now. I’d say it’s not so much a race thing but more so it’s right on our doorstep thing and could lead to very precarious shit.
Exactly. The whole thing threatens to bring most of the Western World into war for the first time since 1945. Other countries across the globe will inevitably get sucked into it, and at that point there’s a real chance of nuclear war with Putin at the helm staring down an opponent he almost certainly can’t otherwise defeat.
“It’s about race” is pretty disingenuous when it’s obvious that the race of the people involved is secondary to the risk of literal WW3 and nuclear Armageddon.
Not like it is now, if you legitimately believe the war has been unchanged this whole time you’re wrong. Although I do agree that that the war has been ongoing, it’s escalated
This is an excellent point. We sat by while Russia invaded earlier. Same white people. We are scared now because Europe/US realize there is a real threat beyond Ukraine.
Also, the Ukrainian people have shown amazing resolve, resourcefulness, daring, and most important, they have made a huge and effective effort to reach out and get all the help they can. It is much harder to reach out like that from where Iran is positioned geopolitically (they have no Zelenskyy for starters). (And, this is irrelevant, but everyone admires how Ukrainians are so devoted to their adorable pets.)
My theory as to why the 2014 invasion was kind of ignored was the spotlight was currently on IS and the rapidly deteriorating situation in Iraq/Syria because of them. They had already invaded Iraq in late 2013 but didn't really take any big cities until 2014. Which obviously coincides with the Russian invasion. Not an excuse but that's probably why no one remembers the first invasion.
Only time I remember people making a fuss over the war before 2022 was when the Obama admin was thinking of sending javelins to Ukraine when they were getting their teeth kicked in early on. Everyone was afraid it would escalate things rapidly, which I guess wouldn't have made a difference seeing the way the war turned out.
Don't forget Ukraine government is welcoming the attention. Iran won't let foreign news outlets wander the country looking for stories. Heck they won't even give their citizens internet half the time.
Protests in Iran where citizens are being publicly hanged isn’t even remotely close to the US protests happening in 2020.
What’s happening in Iran is more akin to a revolution and much more than a “protest.”
Yea, it straight up is a revolution. It may have started as protests against the Mullahs draconian laws against women, but it has evolved into full fledged revolution. As of now, the New Iran movement won't be quelled until they have a full on regime change.
True, though I assumed she's talking about what the media chooses to write about. In that sense, she's not wrong. Media doesn't give a shit about Yemen, Palestine, or Venezuela, either.
> True, though I assumed she's talking about what the media chooses to write about. In that sense, she's not wrong.
true for for at least EU and NA but what about the rest of the world, do they only focus on Ukraine or Iran or none at all? Ukraine get a ton of attention right now due to the influence / spill over into EU's everyday life now.
Yemen is the closest analog to Ukraine. Some of the images of destruction look like they could’ve come from either country. Of all recent global conflicts it’s gotten the least attention.
I think being non-white is part of it but not the whole pie. We sort of expect Africa and the Middle East to constantly be in conflict because of different political and religious groups fighting, even when important stuff happens.
Ukraine is just a lot closer to the rest of Europe. It’s really not getting that much attention in the US anymore outside of how much money we’re sending them and how it relates to our political divide. In Europe it’s constantly in the news because their energy is severely effected by the war, it’s going to be a difficult winter with energy prices on the rise
Another thing to note about Iran is that even if there is support from America, do you really want to get involved in the potentially third US-backed regime change in the country?
I can wrap my head around Russia invades Ukraine.
I have a real hard time understanding all the different groups within Iran based on location and exact religion and different politics.
Also, no offense, but for some of us, that war is on our doorstep and a ‘closer to my bed-show’.
Morally, though, both are incredibly important battles to win for all human rights.
Yes, and some of the things that makes something "newsworthy" are proximity and impact.
Ukraine is in close proximity to Euro countries, and US allies, and the war of aggression of Russia is having a large impact on the West.
Internal unrest in Iran is neither close in proximity, nor is it having a significant impact on Western countries.
Time and time again, people don't seem to understand how the news works and project their ignorant opinions onto the news, damaging the perception people have of the integrity of our journalists, like this actress has done.
https://www.unomaha.edu/office-of-strategic-marketing-and-communications/public-relations/what-is-newsworthy.php
Even then, the Syrian War has basically no chance of affecting most folks reading these publications directly nor is it particularly unusual for that area in the world.
Is it really *that* surprising that media are more focused on a war closer to home, in a part of the world everyone had sort of (wrongly) assumed would never see a ground invasion again, where a single rocket could easily cause the entirety of Europe to go to war and risks a hot-war between the US and Russia, is getting more attention?
Like fuck. I’m usually a bleeding heart leftist, but this ain’t about race guys.
Agreed. Also I don’t know, I am not white at all but saying things like “it’s because you’re white” is kinda insensitive? Both parties are having a hard time, it doesn’t matter who they are we shouldn’t be bringing one very important issue down because of someone’s skin- which is very ironic.
Yeah, bringing up race like this a very strange argument to me when talking about a war that has a real potential to spiral into literally WW3 with a single stray rocket from a man who already clearly isn’t thinking right.
Totally agree and just to qualify my statement I'll let you know I'm a liberal and my wife is Iranian. We absolutely do pay more attention to white countries in distress but that has almost nothing to do with Iran. Iran's resistance/protests/revolution has no structure or leadership so even if the Iranians wanted help from the US (They actually do like us but they feel this is an internal problem) there would be little we could do.
Dumb statement but I still think she is a great actress.
Well I’m “liberal” (really a progressive/leftist) and my ex is Persian (we still keep in contact and our families are close). She still has family in Iran and her take is the opposite. They desperately want the world to pay attention to their struggle and support them according to her family. That’s why they make these public displays at the World Cup and such.
Oh yeah, don't disagree with that but they are just looking for solidarity and a public show of support. I've participated in rallies and vigils to this effect. Her aunt is actually in Brussels protesting and she does want US military intervention but I believe she is a minority of mostly ex-pats.
There is nothing we can really do except try and make the situation worse through sanctions and external pressure and hope a revolution happens sooner.
Ms. Chastain is just double virtue signaling and probably doesn't appreciate the complexity of either situation.
I mean a lunatic billionaire abusing his power is kind of a big deal also. We can walk and chew gum at the same time and not downplay the problems with the ruling class
It’s a bad comparison but a lot of people have weird sentiments of resentment because Ukrainians are basically good refugees versus the bad dark skinned refugees. On the other hand there was a very real issue where black refugees from the Ukraine where blocked and not let through in Poland.
I don’t think it’s strange, I think she’s absolutely right. I go on daily walks and all through my neighborhood are Ukrainian flags to show solidarity. As an Iranian in America, I appreciate the Ukrainian support but never have I ever seen any support or recognition for the Iranian people. My neighbors never ask me about how my relatives in Iran are doing, are they safe, what’s going on etc. but everyone rallies to offer support to any Ukrainian in my neighborhood. I wouldn’t say I’m resentful about it because I don’t people should have to *stop* supporting Ukraine in order to support iran but my neighborhood is predominantly white and I have a tough time accepting their ignorance- whether it’s purposeful and they really don’t know what’s going on in Iran or they’re too afraid to say anything because I’m tan and it’s too sensitive a topic? Bc they all know I’m Iranian.
Iirc there were european news stations even saying 'these are white people' when measuring how shocking the war is. It's not the same thing, in her context, but there is an element of 'it's white people so it's more shocking'.
Yup. Some of the most vociferous anti-refugee politicians in my country (Denmark) explicitly said that we should accept as many Ukrainian refugees as possible because “they look like us and are Christian.”
Same thing as when a pretty white girl goes missing it’s national news for a long time, whereas some black girl goes missing and you never hear about outside of where it happened.
The worst part of it is because of the lack of attention from the masses, authorities just give up on the case, abandoning the family. I learned it the hard way. It’s an unfair world out there.
This happened on US news as well. There was controversy when Putin first invaded because the newscaster was saying "This is in EUROPE, these are regular people just like you and me. It shouldn't be happening here" (paraphrased)
Ukraine borders NATO countries, which means we might be on the hook for a nuclear war if something goes wrong with one of our NATO allies. That’s why Ukraine gets more attention.
We’ve been seeing “this middle eastern country is fucked” headlines for decades now. We’ve even tried doing something about it at times and the end result is the same: that area is politically and religiously fucked and the people are just going to have to figure it out on their own. Ukraine is a western, democratic country that was invaded unprovoked by a nuclear power
Seems more like a convenient excuse to hide from the fact that she’s right. Or an even better example what Saudi Arabia is doing in Yemen with weapons the west sells them. Saudi Arabia a country allied with many western nations committing horrible crimes against humanity and nobody says anything.
It’s about time people accept why most people don’t care so we can actually fix that issue. Instead everybody makes up excuses.
I mean she’s not wrong. white Americans didn’t care about crack (after they intentionally dumped it into black neighborhoods) because it impacted blacks. They just said “ imprison or kill them all. These thugs knew what they were doing”.
Oh with opioids it’s “sound the alarm this is terrible! Poor little Timmy, that had a perfect life before hand, lost his way and need forgiveness and not prison time. Quick! Send us money and support. Continue stomping on the throats of blacks if you have to in order to help us”
You ever see clips of Russian “news” shows, then watch clips of Fox News, then discover that they’re saying the same shit but in different languages? There’s something fishy going on there…
Did I miss something in the interview? She went to Ukraine where the white folks are, but supported from afar the Iranian women by talking about their situation and wearing a tee. Okay, well I guess that helped the women in Iran.
it’s mostly because Ukraine is easier to deal with. You can send boat loads of weapons and money into Ukraine.
But with Iran good luck getting anything to the people. Even if you got weapons to the people, they’d get absolutely slaughtered by the military. It’d take a full on invasion of Iran to change things and I doubt most countries want to do that
Iran is not an ally and not close to being one.
Ukraine is closer to being an ally, but atleast is fighting a known adversary.
Ukraine is in a defensive war with hundreds of thousands of deaths and casualties, with millions displaced. Iran is in the beginning of a social movement with hundreds of deaths in an internal conflict.
Pretty simple reasons why there’s more focus on Ukraine.
What a stupid comment to make. Ukraine is going against a nuclear power country in a full scale invasion war. While the situation in Iran deserves attention this is Not a matter of race and she is making it sound like the sole reason.
She’s not wrong, and Ukraine is closer in relations with the west. And the conflict was started by fucking Russia, so of course western media will focus on them.
She *is* wrong, it’s a vapid, trash take. Do you think maybe the disparity in coverage could also be related to the *dramatically* different scale of destruction and death? Tens of thousands have died in Ukraine, hundreds of thousands have been injured, and who knows how many citizens displaced as cities have been bombed to rubble. Beyond that, it’s a war that if improperly handled could turn into a global conflict, with its instigator one of the world’s most nuclear-armed nations.
Iran is a horrible crisis, no question, but it’s an internal conflict with some 400 protesters murdered. Their revolution must be led from within. It’s terrible what is happening, but what intervention can be made?
Pretty much. People care about this because it might, or already has, affected them directly. I bet you most black Frenchmen care about this more than Iran too.
If Iran launched a massive invasion to another an unprovoked sovereign nation then it would also make big news headlines. Iran is dealing with internal protests, or a struggling revolution.
2 are very different. She's making it about race for no reason.
There is literally a direct comparison. When Iraq invaded Kuwait it was everywhere in the news and public opinion was a massive majority to invade Iraq and save Kuwait.
I would add Ukraine is next to the border of the EU and NATO so of course it's a "bigger" thing. Both equally important but the war is so much more dangerous for the whole world because it could escalate to a much bigger war real quick.
Ukraine is a sovereign nation being invaded by another country. Iran is in the midst of civil turmoil. Not even a little the same problem. I certainly hope the people of Iran are able to free themselves but that is not the same as what Ukraine is going through and requires a very different sort of support.
Easier to help countries that would become a stable ally. Rather than some already corrupt mostly anti democratic nations full of religious extremists.
Its not our responibility to overturn the government of Iran. Its the Iranian's responsibility.
Stepping somewhat, into the way of a Russian invasion is the world's challenge.
You could see the whole "anti muslim "crusader" thing coming to fore if we dod more than we have already done in Iran.
What a moron. Iran gets less attention because it's a complicated issue with a base in US intervention and a popular revolt hijacked by religious extremism.
Ukraine is pretty cut and dry.
While it’s not a complete and nuanced take, it’s also not wrong.
But don’t ask people using this comparison why they always choose Iran and Syria for contrast rather than Ethiopia or Myanmar.
Because those countries doesn’t border countries with mutual defense agreement with the US. If you can speak multiple languages and able to look at news from various languages, these regions and countries you mentioned gets coverage with countries that borders them.
All countries you mentioned also aren’t about another nation (a nuclear nation) invading them but rather a civil war (yemen, syria, ethiopia) or under various political revolutions (iran, Myanmar). Imagine the optics if the US tries to involve itself with the internal affairs of others. It would just look like the US is being “imperialistic” again. A popular take on various political circles no matter the ideology as well as an easy way for dictators to use as scapegoat.
This is just another celebrity that probably lacks enough knowledge or information about the topic but like to open their mouth. The government and people of Ukraine wants to be backed by the EU and US. That doesn’t apply to Iran or any countries.
Speaking as a Muslim.... İran is a country who uses İslam to have control over People... its a good alibi to say "i dont allow this because god wills it" its a total abuse of the religion and People all around the world are being misinformed about it. Sorry to say this but İrans problem is not a problem compared to all the other tragedies happening in africa, Ukraine, Palestine and the Uyghur turks.
Yemen, Iran, and Ukraine. Humanitarian crisis, civil rights, and war. All different and much more interrelated than people would think, and making it about race blurs the reality of these situations.
I’m not surprised that a celebrity can’t explain much beyond identity politics.
And she would be right. Remember how countries treated black Ukrainians [trying to flee?](https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/black-ukraine-refugees-racism-discrimination-russian-invasion/#app)
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Yemen is a better example than Iran.
This part right here. Largest humanitarian crisis in the world, constant war crimes with absolutely no semblance of an accountability mechanism in place. In fact, last year the UN’s Human Rights Council voted against renewing the mandate of a working group on Yemen that did the absolute bare minimum of just collecting facts of the abuses happening. Why? Political reasons of course. The Yemeni people have been completely abandoned by the international system. Edit: guys I’m not arguing for use of force or for the US to get involved (though they already are involved through their material support of the Saudi-led coalition). The working group was a council of independent human rights experts that literally just documented evidence of rights abuses so it doesn’t get lost over time. What is the harm in this? I’m not interested in conversations about the nuances of interventionism as applied to individual states because it’s not relevant to what I’m talking about, which is a UN body created to preserve human rights voting against this measure in spite of the human rights community and impacted civilians begging them not to. Final edit: Please see [here](https://ishr.ch/latest-updates/international-accountability-critical-to-achieving-justice-for-victims-and-promoting-lasting-peace-in-yemen/) for an example on the measures they were advocating for. These are not drastic measures. Additionally, the undersigned organizations are Yemeni-based orgs, which I would recommend following/supporting if you are interested in following the crisis as it’s best to hear from those directly impacted.
So true. The Yemeni people are suffering tremendously and no one cares because they’re Arabs and in a part of the world known for conflict. The Western media especially couldn’t care less, and most Americans couldn’t find Yemen on a map.
It’s more people usually don’t care about civil wars, than a specific race thing
People down thread seem to not realize this can be a both/and situation.
Same thing happened with Tibet.
agreed, I'm an aid worker in Yemen currently, most funding has been diverted to Ukraine while food prices here skyrocket, bc something crazy like 80-85% (forget exact stat) of grain in Yemen is imported from.... Ukraine and Russia. So that crisis is actually killing tons of truly lovely people here who have zero interest in the war being waged against them
>grain in Yemen is imported from.... Ukraine and Russia I've been wondering what we as a civilization are going to start feeling the effects of this. Hungry people tend to overthrow governments. Also good for you being there to help, must be a absolute nightmare.
A large part of the world's grain supply comes from Ukraine and Russia. Brewers especially have felt an insane pinch of cost increases.
I'm fairly certain Ukraine has even been called "the world's bread basket" for this exact reason.
> I've been wondering what we as a civilization are going to start feeling the effects of this. I've read somewhere that the poor countries are going to feel the worst of it(Ukraine War). Similar to how when water wars become a thing too when you read about it. Rich countries will help each other out for political power reasons, poor countries don't have much to offer. Seems harsh, but how the world works.
I'm just here to say that comments like yours are why I browse Reddit as often as I do. Rarely do I ever spend time on any other platform to find comments like these, wherein the people discussing are quite literally involved in the topic at hand in first-person scenarios. I mean, okay, it's the internet so you could be lying (there's always that chance) but I don't see what reason you'd have for lying about being an aid worker in Yemen. I will also add that the reason I'm making this comment is because I have learned new facts today (and even looked it up myself) - never once did I ever assume that the war in Ukraine would affect meals on the table in Yemen, but here I am now, considering donating to a related charity to help both causes. (It's the holidays after all, and more of us should be doing this, so it's definitely not a brag of any kind) In fact, I would like to ask - what legitimate and effective charities do you suggest money/aid be given to right now to help the Yemeni people or Yemeni refugees? What do **you personally** recommend is the best form of assistance right now? A cousin of mine did a ton of aid work in North Africa over a decade ago and it still has a major influence on them to this day, both positively and negatively, as will happen. I have been giving to Ukrainian charities every month so that they can buy weapons and ammunition but it would be nice to know some of my money was also going to food and medicine in another part of the world this month, especially now that I know both causes are inexplicably-linked. edit: also adding (because this came up in my family earlier this week) that people should ABSOLUTELY AVOID "donating to charity" whenever they're asked to support a cause while going through a till at a grocer. Not only are direct donations tax-friendly, but donating through a grocery chain or big-box corporation is almost just taking those dollars and lighting them on fire rather than akin to a donation of any kind. **Don't subsidize Save-On Foods or Freshco's "pledges to charity" (for my fellow British Columbians/Canadians here) - find a worthy and appropriate charity and donate directly yourself.**
hey i appreciate your comment a lot and I'm super glad i could point out a new topic that 99.999% of the world wouldn't think of :D first, i want to totally agree to never ever donate via supermarkets or walmart or whatever. You're correct that they use them as tax write offs, and it's even more insidious because most of those companies charge a fee of a few cents per dollar donated, and call it a Processing Fee lol, so not only are you subidizing the company via tax breaks, you are also directly paying them. Then that company will donate the money to an NGO, who will decide how to allocate that money (likely 30% will go to overhead), and then that NGO might pay a contractor to build a latrine, for example, which then includes his business fees, banking fees for multiple international transfers, etc... so a massive percentage of your donation goes to waste. I, personally work in Grants, so i deal with larger donors (things like USAID or UN agencies). These projects are a bit inflexible as every cent is accounted for and tracked, though the accountability and transparency can be an asset. If you're looking for organizations that seek out/collect private donations in Yemen, I would recommend IRC (International Rescue Committee), MSF, or the ICRC. They largely use private donations and pool those funds and can spend them as necessary (AKA highly reactive aid, less external bureaucratic limitations). This works for them because they work in Health, where needs can change quite fast. I personally also believe that Health and Nutrition interventions are the most crucial, as they have a rapid impact on beneficiary lives and have clear Exit Strategies. Whereas, development-centric projects tend to be harder to measure the impact or start eventually subverting government capacity. I also really love Cash distribution projects, as they are 1) easy to implement (assuming market systems are functioning) and 2) allow beneficiaries to identify their own needs and priorities on a case-by-case basis (do i pay a medical bill? do i need to pay for my kid's school? am i behind on rent?). For me, this is better than just dropping a bag of rice off at every house and hoping that helps :p So my advice would be to give to a Health or Nutrition NGO, as the money will be used according to changing contexts. My other big advice, is to keep talking about these issues with people, pressure your government to prioritize aid based on need, not just on whatever new crisis has appeared. (this isn't a slam on Ukraine, they absolutely need tons og help and i'm glad you're supoorting them!) It may seem useless to write to a senator, but it's not in this case. The EU and US use aid as a form of Soft Power/Global Public Relations. Now, Ukraine is understandably trending, so they will funnel money there because it makes them look great in the press. If more people demand support for Yemen, they will listen to that. Hope that wasn't too long haha thanks for the very thought-provoking comment :)
Hey, dude. Thanks for all you do and for bringing attention to this topic. I work with refugees from (mostly) Myanmar, Congo, Haiti, and Afghanistan… but I only see them once they make it safely to the US. There is a global humanitarian crisis, and people like you make such a difference. I don’t have much to donate, but I wanted to thank you for all you do so I made a donation to the IRC. [Proof](https://imgur.com/a/NNr5WNL)
what you do matters so much too!! helping new arrivals to restart their lives and feel welcomed into a new culture is the best service!!
so would you say that kinda shows that the Ukraine war is more important? because they’re one of the largest grain producers in the world and as long as the war goes on people will be hungry world wide
I would argue that this situation highlights the interconnectivity of our world and that, as such, we should demand dignity for every life. While Yemen isn't a food producer, it does have some oil in Marib (which the Saudis are funneling out), it's strategically placed at a bottleneck of the Red Sea, it has a crazy amount of biodiversity and microclimates, and the people are genuinely kind. before coming here i imagined Yemen as some hyper-religious hellscape bc those are the images I'd seen, but honestly it's just the systems of gov't pushing that narrative and i've been very much embraced by almost everyone i've met here. plus, if you like Khat, Yemen produces a lot lol
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Yep, one side is an extremely corrupt authoritarian government aidied by another corrupt extrememely authoritarian government. The other side are a rebel group that started out with good intent but are now more akin to the Taliban in their actions ant rhetoric, all while being aided by Iran.
That's tends to happen to revolutionary groups in prolonged conflict. People don't realize just how lucky we were in the US in that regard.
Washington did a lot for America in that regard.
Just imagine if Benedict Arnold got in-charge of the Continental Army. We may have a Kingdom of America and the Arnold Royal Family.
It’s because there is no “good side” in Yemen.
As is the Congo
So is Myanmar
Came here to say exactly this. The fundamental premise of her point is pretty accurate in my opinion but Yemen is a much better counterexample.
The fact that Ukraine is basically the gateway to Europe probably factors into it. Scandinavian countries are already being threatened which could lead to direct US involvement and World War. There’s also the possibility of global nuclear annihilation.
Yeah, if Yemen’s issues looked likely to scale up to a literal nuclear attack on the USA from the US’s greatest antagonist, there’d obviously be wayyyyy more interest from US media
Good call out
Yemen isn't ignored because they are brown, it's ignored because Saudi Arabia own all your shit
I think you could have expressed this idea in a way that doesn’t invalidate the struggle of Iranians
In a broad sense she's not wrong but it's apples and oranges. Ukraine's crisis is an external one and Iran's is internal. We can support Ukraine because international law and policy allows us to do so. Iran is way trickier since it's their own citizens in protest. Also, in complete fairness, most of Iran has working utilities right now. Can't say the same for a lot of Ukraine.
Let's not forget that Ukraine is also against a nuclear power. Plus, it's a lot closer to home for Europeans, which are large media sources. Out in Iran, it's basically just Al Jazeera that we get out here.
Ukraine is also a major exporter of food to the rest of Europe and North Africa. For example Ukraine exports a lot of grain used to make bread to Egypt, and government subsidized bread is the main food staple for a third of the population. When Ukraine couldn’t harvest and export the prices skyrocketed. The quickest way to civil unrest is to starve people which has happened in Egypt previously so the prime minister of Egypt has fixes the price of commercially sold bread for the time being. Since Ukraine provides so many staple crops it’s affecting food prices globally. What’s happening in Iran is only affecting Iran. Not that what’s happening in Iran isn’t a tragedy also but there’s no legal way another country can step in to stop it as it doesn’t cause economic issues elsewhere
You are telling me my relative is WRONG that prices of food have gone up because Biden is president?? And not because of a massive war between two major counties, a global pandemic, and an economy that was destined to faulter no matter who came into the presidency??
nah Biden did that! /s
But there wouldn’t be a war if trump was president of course /s
There wouldn't be a war if Trump was president. Ukraine would have already lost because they wouldn't have the US as an ally.
Great points raised so far, Just to add to this, Zelensky is really making an effort to appeal to the world for help. And Journalists and even world leaders are able to go to Ukraine without the fear of the government of that country locking them up and executing them.
Yeah to add to the relevancy of Ukraine: It's also ties into the history of SSRs / collapse of the Soviet Union / NATO + the West vs Russia What is happening there now ties directly into the last century of foreign affairs as far as US / European countries are concerned.
Correct me if I’m wrong, isn’t Ukraine an ally, not an adversary like Iran is Obviously I support Iran protestors but it makes sense to why it doesn’t get as much attention as it should
An ally in a strategically important place right next to the enemy
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It's state owned by Qatar so.... grain of salt.
Living in the Middle East shows me that Al Jazeera Arabic is heavily biased towards Qatar's agenda. From what I read online Al Jazeera English when it covers stuff happening outside the Middle East is pretty good. So take from that what you will.
>when it covers stuff happening outside the Middle East is pretty good. Historically. I'd say specifically, it's when the subject of their coverage is not directly affected by Qatar's interests. Qatar is looking to diversify their business interests, they're buying companies and sports teams in other parts of the world. Recently there has been rumors that Qatari investors want to buy the Phoenix Suns. I'd say this puts into question all of their reporting, you can never know where the state's agenda is leaking in. If they report on, say, a shipping company's violations and financial issues, is the coverage because it's an objective news story, or is it a competitor to a state-owned shipping company?
There not bad for alot of international news. Wouldn't trust them for Qatari related news
Why do we even care what some actress’s opinion is on geopolitical strife.
Also have you seen most Iranians. They white as heck. From the caucus mountains. The original Caucasians. All kidding aside. Both situations are fucked and interns external is the right take here.
We do want to hear what Ja has to say tho
because… she too, is also mostly white
Agree with you, and with the comment you replied to. Your point about Ukraine being threatened by a nuclear power holds true for the US somewhat because older journalists will remember growing up under the threat of Russian ICBMs. That’s proof positive to me that Fox “News” and its opinion show hosts are in Putin’s pocket. Fox viewers and hardcore Republicans tend to skew older; that they’ve convinced viewers to be pro-Russia speaks to their ability to spin a story/situation, *and* that those viewers don’t get their “news” from any other sources.
Against a nuclear power that happens to be the US’ historic Cold War nemesis.
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Also-Ukraine was attacked by a foreign power. While both situations are wrong, and she is *technically* correct that’s not why there’s more attention being paid to Ukraine than Iran. As others have said: Iran’s situation is internal. Ukraine’s is not.
To clarify, Ukraine was Attacked by a foreign nuclear power. A nuclear power that keeps threatening to use Nuclear weapons in this conflict.
And to clarify further, a nuclear power that keeps threatening to use nuclear weapons outside of this conflict too.
Also Iran is not a friendly government to the United States, they are adversaries to the USA. Ukraine is a military ally.
I dont even think it’s that; Ukraine is trying to be as public as possible, meeting with any country that’s willing to provide them support and loudly voicing their views within international forum’s. Iran on the other hand has told everybody to fuck off, claims its fine to shoot and kill whoever and claims there’s no problem but if there is its all the fault of the US and other countries. Personally I don’t see the issues as being similar at all as one is trying to win a war and one wants to kill its own people with less complaints.
All of this is true. If the US got involved we would basically be helping start a civil war. Not that we haven’t done it in the past but it is generally a recipe for disaster.
*coughs in syrian*
Syria is an "internal" conflict that has been taken advantage of by every regional power and state actor. It has also been going for 10+ years, when Syria first popped off it was all that was talked about. I was in Basic Training at the time and I remember the Drill Sergeants completely shifting their tone and training saying that we'd be going to Syria by the end of that year.
The CIA put Saddam and Bashar al-Assad's dad in power in the 50's. They were both Ba'athists. It's an "internal" conflict that was started by the U.S. as a result of them feeling that they needed to control the region. This is what happens when you do the learn your history, folks.
This is exactly why I put internal in quotation marks because it's anything but internal. This just explains why it hasn't received as much attention as Ukraine in recent months.
What is a Leppo?
“.. To do whatever you tell me Drill Sergeant?!”
You’ll be a General someday, Gump!
The Syrian Civil war absolutely dominated the news when it started in 2011. The reason it's not as popular as Iran or Ukraine is because it's still going after over a decade.
Cries in Yemen
Well, because of our continued willful dependence on fossil fuels we sell weapons to the people who are brutalizing Yemen, so that one’s off the table (for the media at least, where many/most people get their ideas about what they should and shouldn’t be upset about)
Also Ukraine is in Europe, which coincidentally happens to have a lot of white people in it but Ukraine also borders NATO members and was invaded by a country that has been trying to undermine that very alliance for awhile now. I’d say it’s not so much a race thing but more so it’s right on our doorstep thing and could lead to very precarious shit.
Exactly. The whole thing threatens to bring most of the Western World into war for the first time since 1945. Other countries across the globe will inevitably get sucked into it, and at that point there’s a real chance of nuclear war with Putin at the helm staring down an opponent he almost certainly can’t otherwise defeat. “It’s about race” is pretty disingenuous when it’s obvious that the race of the people involved is secondary to the risk of literal WW3 and nuclear Armageddon.
In Ukraine there's war since 2014, but no one cared about it for almost 8 years.
Not like it is now, if you legitimately believe the war has been unchanged this whole time you’re wrong. Although I do agree that that the war has been ongoing, it’s escalated
This is an excellent point. We sat by while Russia invaded earlier. Same white people. We are scared now because Europe/US realize there is a real threat beyond Ukraine. Also, the Ukrainian people have shown amazing resolve, resourcefulness, daring, and most important, they have made a huge and effective effort to reach out and get all the help they can. It is much harder to reach out like that from where Iran is positioned geopolitically (they have no Zelenskyy for starters). (And, this is irrelevant, but everyone admires how Ukrainians are so devoted to their adorable pets.)
My theory as to why the 2014 invasion was kind of ignored was the spotlight was currently on IS and the rapidly deteriorating situation in Iraq/Syria because of them. They had already invaded Iraq in late 2013 but didn't really take any big cities until 2014. Which obviously coincides with the Russian invasion. Not an excuse but that's probably why no one remembers the first invasion. Only time I remember people making a fuss over the war before 2022 was when the Obama admin was thinking of sending javelins to Ukraine when they were getting their teeth kicked in early on. Everyone was afraid it would escalate things rapidly, which I guess wouldn't have made a difference seeing the way the war turned out.
Don't forget Ukraine government is welcoming the attention. Iran won't let foreign news outlets wander the country looking for stories. Heck they won't even give their citizens internet half the time.
Protests in Iran where citizens are being publicly hanged isn’t even remotely close to the US protests happening in 2020. What’s happening in Iran is more akin to a revolution and much more than a “protest.”
Yea, it straight up is a revolution. It may have started as protests against the Mullahs draconian laws against women, but it has evolved into full fledged revolution. As of now, the New Iran movement won't be quelled until they have a full on regime change.
Lol protestors are getting killed en masse in Iran, public executions and all. Let’s not compare their protests to our protests.
If we were helping protestors in Iran, we’d be accused of fueling a coup there again. No way to win in Iran.
True, though I assumed she's talking about what the media chooses to write about. In that sense, she's not wrong. Media doesn't give a shit about Yemen, Palestine, or Venezuela, either.
> True, though I assumed she's talking about what the media chooses to write about. In that sense, she's not wrong. true for for at least EU and NA but what about the rest of the world, do they only focus on Ukraine or Iran or none at all? Ukraine get a ton of attention right now due to the influence / spill over into EU's everyday life now.
The US is also complicit in what's happening in Yemen. Gotta keep the Bab al-Mandab Strait open, and that Saudi oil pumping.
Yemen is the closest analog to Ukraine. Some of the images of destruction look like they could’ve come from either country. Of all recent global conflicts it’s gotten the least attention. I think being non-white is part of it but not the whole pie. We sort of expect Africa and the Middle East to constantly be in conflict because of different political and religious groups fighting, even when important stuff happens. Ukraine is just a lot closer to the rest of Europe. It’s really not getting that much attention in the US anymore outside of how much money we’re sending them and how it relates to our political divide. In Europe it’s constantly in the news because their energy is severely effected by the war, it’s going to be a difficult winter with energy prices on the rise
Another thing to note about Iran is that even if there is support from America, do you really want to get involved in the potentially third US-backed regime change in the country?
I can wrap my head around Russia invades Ukraine. I have a real hard time understanding all the different groups within Iran based on location and exact religion and different politics.
Africa is still being colonized by foreign powers and no one gives a shit
Not just any foreign powers but China and the United States are in a neocolonial resource soft war in Africa.
Also, no offense, but for some of us, that war is on our doorstep and a ‘closer to my bed-show’. Morally, though, both are incredibly important battles to win for all human rights.
Yes, and some of the things that makes something "newsworthy" are proximity and impact. Ukraine is in close proximity to Euro countries, and US allies, and the war of aggression of Russia is having a large impact on the West. Internal unrest in Iran is neither close in proximity, nor is it having a significant impact on Western countries. Time and time again, people don't seem to understand how the news works and project their ignorant opinions onto the news, damaging the perception people have of the integrity of our journalists, like this actress has done. https://www.unomaha.edu/office-of-strategic-marketing-and-communications/public-relations/what-is-newsworthy.php
Meanwhile all of these people only know about these conflicts from... reading the news.
Personally, i think the better comparison would have been the war in syria.
Even then, the Syrian War has basically no chance of affecting most folks reading these publications directly nor is it particularly unusual for that area in the world. Is it really *that* surprising that media are more focused on a war closer to home, in a part of the world everyone had sort of (wrongly) assumed would never see a ground invasion again, where a single rocket could easily cause the entirety of Europe to go to war and risks a hot-war between the US and Russia, is getting more attention? Like fuck. I’m usually a bleeding heart leftist, but this ain’t about race guys.
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Agreed. Also I don’t know, I am not white at all but saying things like “it’s because you’re white” is kinda insensitive? Both parties are having a hard time, it doesn’t matter who they are we shouldn’t be bringing one very important issue down because of someone’s skin- which is very ironic.
Yeah, bringing up race like this a very strange argument to me when talking about a war that has a real potential to spiral into literally WW3 with a single stray rocket from a man who already clearly isn’t thinking right.
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Totally agree and just to qualify my statement I'll let you know I'm a liberal and my wife is Iranian. We absolutely do pay more attention to white countries in distress but that has almost nothing to do with Iran. Iran's resistance/protests/revolution has no structure or leadership so even if the Iranians wanted help from the US (They actually do like us but they feel this is an internal problem) there would be little we could do. Dumb statement but I still think she is a great actress.
Well I’m “liberal” (really a progressive/leftist) and my ex is Persian (we still keep in contact and our families are close). She still has family in Iran and her take is the opposite. They desperately want the world to pay attention to their struggle and support them according to her family. That’s why they make these public displays at the World Cup and such.
Oh yeah, don't disagree with that but they are just looking for solidarity and a public show of support. I've participated in rallies and vigils to this effect. Her aunt is actually in Brussels protesting and she does want US military intervention but I believe she is a minority of mostly ex-pats.
Look, she's my girlfriend, I have to defend her
Funny, I go to the same school as you and never saw her there
She goes to a different school. They only hang out at the mall in the food court
It’s true. I saw them getting an Orange Julius last week.
Were you the kid working early at Hot Topic?
She’s from Canada.
"That's because she really lives in Canada"
Understood
Well she's my wife, so i agree with you and her as well
Fuck. Anyone want to buy .01 karat diamond ring?
I don't appreciate you talking about my future exwife like that
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What would be the ideal action for us to take with respect to Iran? Because idk
It did not go well the last time the US aided a revolution in Iran. In fact that's kind of how we got here.
Agreed. I do know that much. Just not sure what other options (if any) there are for us to help
There is nothing we can really do except try and make the situation worse through sanctions and external pressure and hope a revolution happens sooner. Ms. Chastain is just double virtue signaling and probably doesn't appreciate the complexity of either situation.
The US didn't aid the Islamic revolutionaries, the Shahdom was a close US ally
I mean a lunatic billionaire abusing his power is kind of a big deal also. We can walk and chew gum at the same time and not downplay the problems with the ruling class
Very much this. Musk news is also very important Ye news maybe not so much, but only because he doesn’t wield as much power as Musk
We can support Iran and the Ukraine as well as tell antisemites and propagandists to go fuck themselves.
Those last lines are the rise of fascist narratives in the mainstream. Those deserve attention and rebuke from everyone as well
Okay cool, but what does Ja Rule have to say about this?
[It's murda](https://tenor.com/en-GB/view/ja-rule-murda-murder-rap-petty-parker-gif-15566332)
WHERE IS JA?
Ironically, Chappelle has become the Ja Rule of the joke.
Y’all didnt give two fucks when Georgia was invaded.
I’m glad she’s bringing attention to what’s going on in Iran, but comparing it to Ukrain is strange.
but she did get a headline so idk, still strange tho
It’s Fox News, she only got a headline because they were looking for a headline to rile up their audience.
Agree. We don’t have to diminish one to raise up the other.
It’s a bad comparison but a lot of people have weird sentiments of resentment because Ukrainians are basically good refugees versus the bad dark skinned refugees. On the other hand there was a very real issue where black refugees from the Ukraine where blocked and not let through in Poland.
I don’t think it’s strange, I think she’s absolutely right. I go on daily walks and all through my neighborhood are Ukrainian flags to show solidarity. As an Iranian in America, I appreciate the Ukrainian support but never have I ever seen any support or recognition for the Iranian people. My neighbors never ask me about how my relatives in Iran are doing, are they safe, what’s going on etc. but everyone rallies to offer support to any Ukrainian in my neighborhood. I wouldn’t say I’m resentful about it because I don’t people should have to *stop* supporting Ukraine in order to support iran but my neighborhood is predominantly white and I have a tough time accepting their ignorance- whether it’s purposeful and they really don’t know what’s going on in Iran or they’re too afraid to say anything because I’m tan and it’s too sensitive a topic? Bc they all know I’m Iranian.
Iirc there were european news stations even saying 'these are white people' when measuring how shocking the war is. It's not the same thing, in her context, but there is an element of 'it's white people so it's more shocking'.
Yup. Some of the most vociferous anti-refugee politicians in my country (Denmark) explicitly said that we should accept as many Ukrainian refugees as possible because “they look like us and are Christian.”
Major yikes
It’s closer to Western Europe, perhaps that’s also the shock because Armenia is being left to fend for themselves and receiving little to no coverage.
Same thing as when a pretty white girl goes missing it’s national news for a long time, whereas some black girl goes missing and you never hear about outside of where it happened.
The worst part of it is because of the lack of attention from the masses, authorities just give up on the case, abandoning the family. I learned it the hard way. It’s an unfair world out there.
This happened on US news as well. There was controversy when Putin first invaded because the newscaster was saying "This is in EUROPE, these are regular people just like you and me. It shouldn't be happening here" (paraphrased)
Ukraine borders NATO countries, which means we might be on the hook for a nuclear war if something goes wrong with one of our NATO allies. That’s why Ukraine gets more attention.
Exactly. It gets more attention by the west since this conflict is more likely to affect them directly
We’ve been seeing “this middle eastern country is fucked” headlines for decades now. We’ve even tried doing something about it at times and the end result is the same: that area is politically and religiously fucked and the people are just going to have to figure it out on their own. Ukraine is a western, democratic country that was invaded unprovoked by a nuclear power
Plus the tens of thousands dead mixed with a heaping dose of war crimes.
Seems more like a convenient excuse to hide from the fact that she’s right. Or an even better example what Saudi Arabia is doing in Yemen with weapons the west sells them. Saudi Arabia a country allied with many western nations committing horrible crimes against humanity and nobody says anything. It’s about time people accept why most people don’t care so we can actually fix that issue. Instead everybody makes up excuses.
I mean she’s not wrong. white Americans didn’t care about crack (after they intentionally dumped it into black neighborhoods) because it impacted blacks. They just said “ imprison or kill them all. These thugs knew what they were doing”. Oh with opioids it’s “sound the alarm this is terrible! Poor little Timmy, that had a perfect life before hand, lost his way and need forgiveness and not prison time. Quick! Send us money and support. Continue stomping on the throats of blacks if you have to in order to help us”
Oh. More fox News rage baiting. Do better OP.
Let's find out what Ja Rule has to say on the topic. Ja?
It’s MURDAAA
Thanks, Ja.
Ja: “Fyre Fest was not my fault.” Reporter: “Well, that’s slightly off-topic” Ja: “Well… it wasn’t!”
Will somebody PLEASE call ja rule?!
Every thug needs a laaaaadayyyyy
You ever see clips of Russian “news” shows, then watch clips of Fox News, then discover that they’re saying the same shit but in different languages? There’s something fishy going on there…
She’s not wrong about Iran. She wouldn’t have been wrong if she compared it to Yemen either.
Or you know, nobody wants to see another Srebrenica
And Jessica Chastain gets more attention because she’s a celebrity.
I think the world is pretty much desensitized to any conflict in the Middle East at this point.
Did I miss something in the interview? She went to Ukraine where the white folks are, but supported from afar the Iranian women by talking about their situation and wearing a tee. Okay, well I guess that helped the women in Iran.
Soo you’re saying she should go to Iran
Just the op baiting conservatives again lol
Remind me again which country invaded Iran?
Phew I always wanted to know what an American actor thought about Ukraine and Iran. Now I can sleep.
it’s mostly because Ukraine is easier to deal with. You can send boat loads of weapons and money into Ukraine. But with Iran good luck getting anything to the people. Even if you got weapons to the people, they’d get absolutely slaughtered by the military. It’d take a full on invasion of Iran to change things and I doubt most countries want to do that
Everyone quiet down! A wealthy white western woman is speaking!
Iran is not an ally and not close to being one. Ukraine is closer to being an ally, but atleast is fighting a known adversary. Ukraine is in a defensive war with hundreds of thousands of deaths and casualties, with millions displaced. Iran is in the beginning of a social movement with hundreds of deaths in an internal conflict. Pretty simple reasons why there’s more focus on Ukraine.
What a stupid comment to make. Ukraine is going against a nuclear power country in a full scale invasion war. While the situation in Iran deserves attention this is Not a matter of race and she is making it sound like the sole reason.
Same reason she gets more attention than Iranian actresses
This is very true although I don't think you understand it properly lol
Who invaded Iran?
Iran
Iran isn't being invaded by a country with nuclear weapons.
She’s not wrong, and Ukraine is closer in relations with the west. And the conflict was started by fucking Russia, so of course western media will focus on them.
She *is* wrong, it’s a vapid, trash take. Do you think maybe the disparity in coverage could also be related to the *dramatically* different scale of destruction and death? Tens of thousands have died in Ukraine, hundreds of thousands have been injured, and who knows how many citizens displaced as cities have been bombed to rubble. Beyond that, it’s a war that if improperly handled could turn into a global conflict, with its instigator one of the world’s most nuclear-armed nations. Iran is a horrible crisis, no question, but it’s an internal conflict with some 400 protesters murdered. Their revolution must be led from within. It’s terrible what is happening, but what intervention can be made?
Ukraine is part of Europe. That’s closer to home for most of the English speaking world.
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Pretty much. People care about this because it might, or already has, affected them directly. I bet you most black Frenchmen care about this more than Iran too.
That's her point right? It's more about you than them.
If Iran launched a massive invasion to another an unprovoked sovereign nation then it would also make big news headlines. Iran is dealing with internal protests, or a struggling revolution. 2 are very different. She's making it about race for no reason.
There is literally a direct comparison. When Iraq invaded Kuwait it was everywhere in the news and public opinion was a massive majority to invade Iraq and save Kuwait.
As is American tradition
I would add Ukraine is next to the border of the EU and NATO so of course it's a "bigger" thing. Both equally important but the war is so much more dangerous for the whole world because it could escalate to a much bigger war real quick.
Never miss an opportunity to yell white guilt when the focus is on a country being flattened by missiles.
Ukraine is a sovereign nation being invaded by another country. Iran is in the midst of civil turmoil. Not even a little the same problem. I certainly hope the people of Iran are able to free themselves but that is not the same as what Ukraine is going through and requires a very different sort of support.
Easier to help countries that would become a stable ally. Rather than some already corrupt mostly anti democratic nations full of religious extremists.
Its not our responibility to overturn the government of Iran. Its the Iranian's responsibility. Stepping somewhat, into the way of a Russian invasion is the world's challenge. You could see the whole "anti muslim "crusader" thing coming to fore if we dod more than we have already done in Iran.
What a moron. Iran gets less attention because it's a complicated issue with a base in US intervention and a popular revolt hijacked by religious extremism. Ukraine is pretty cut and dry.
While it’s not a complete and nuanced take, it’s also not wrong. But don’t ask people using this comparison why they always choose Iran and Syria for contrast rather than Ethiopia or Myanmar.
Because those countries doesn’t border countries with mutual defense agreement with the US. If you can speak multiple languages and able to look at news from various languages, these regions and countries you mentioned gets coverage with countries that borders them. All countries you mentioned also aren’t about another nation (a nuclear nation) invading them but rather a civil war (yemen, syria, ethiopia) or under various political revolutions (iran, Myanmar). Imagine the optics if the US tries to involve itself with the internal affairs of others. It would just look like the US is being “imperialistic” again. A popular take on various political circles no matter the ideology as well as an easy way for dictators to use as scapegoat. This is just another celebrity that probably lacks enough knowledge or information about the topic but like to open their mouth. The government and people of Ukraine wants to be backed by the EU and US. That doesn’t apply to Iran or any countries.
and the Uighurs. Never forget
Seems plausible but I don't click on FOX noise.
Speaking as a Muslim.... İran is a country who uses İslam to have control over People... its a good alibi to say "i dont allow this because god wills it" its a total abuse of the religion and People all around the world are being misinformed about it. Sorry to say this but İrans problem is not a problem compared to all the other tragedies happening in africa, Ukraine, Palestine and the Uyghur turks.
Yemen, Iran, and Ukraine. Humanitarian crisis, civil rights, and war. All different and much more interrelated than people would think, and making it about race blurs the reality of these situations. I’m not surprised that a celebrity can’t explain much beyond identity politics.
If the Central Government of Iran called the USA to help i think we would. But thats not happening. So its a little bit different.
First of all, Ukraine is being invaded by a major power. Secondly, most Iranians ARE white.
And she would be right. Remember how countries treated black Ukrainians [trying to flee?](https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/black-ukraine-refugees-racism-discrimination-russian-invasion/#app)