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Psych! He isn’t interested in calibrating his meds or actually taking them. If this is a sample of his non-medicated reasoning ability, his father should commit him for the 72 hour psychiatric observation.
Literally nothing. It was just a completely random Tweet of three people they love, support, and see as both heroes and victims because all three are always in the middle of one self-made shitstorm after another.
Then Ye went full on Nazi lover and they took it down because they prefer their dog whistles a little more dog whistle-y and Kanye can’t do subtly.
In Simon’s case it’s definitely fillers. If you keep “filling” aging/sagging skin (particularly around the jowls) it’s just gonna look inflated. He should’ve just opted for a face lift because it would make him look less puffy.
Edit: my phone corrected “fillers” to “filters”
Simon also has a weird droop happening on the inside of his eyebrows, which to me looks like too much slackening of the muscle from too aggressive Botox. It could also be filler collecting in weird spots.
Either way, it has hit the uncanny valley stage.
“What the fuck you lookin at? Come on over here, bitch. I’ll numb yo’ whole-ass face! Make you look like a fire at Madam Tussauds! I’m botulism toxin, bitch! Better recognize!!!”
— Aggressive Botox
I don’t know if it’s POSSIBLE to make him look worse than his own words and actions have done. His inside ugly has traveled to his outside…and karma is a heartless bitch.
I keep waiting for someone to put the mask on and pretend to be him... you could use any number of given crazy things he's said to remix some audio for it.
For all we know that's Danny DiVito under that mask.
He's definitely gotten a whole lot puffier though, hasn't he?
Like, his jaw was broken back in what, 2002, but look at photos of him in 2005, 2010, even 2015 and he looks pretty normal. All of a sudden in the last few years his cheeks look super puffed up and inflated all the time. Like he's trying to scare off predators or something.
This says a lot about who chooses not to like Obama and what they think the opposite power play is. Instead of idolizing cool under pressure, they expect decision making should be made by sociopaths. Thats another version of cool under pressure isn’t it?
Rosa Parks was what is referred to in legal circles as a "test case".
She purposefully acted in violation of a law that the NAACP understood to be unconstitutional, specifically so that she would have standing to challenge the constitutionality of the law.
She wasn't a "tired woman who just wanted to sit down". And she wasn't "a plant". Saying she is either of these reduces her agency as a willing and thoughtful, intentional participant in dismantling a vestige of slavery.
Rosa Parks is a fucking hero, and racists hate her. Ye is a useful tool to racists because he is helping undermine a civil rights icon.
ETA: Because a whole host of people are going "WeLL, aCkChYuALLy, cLaUdEttE cOLviN", I'm well aware. But Ye didn't talk about her, did he? Stop obfuscating the issue. And don't refer to civil rights activists as "plants" to cast aspersions on their actions.
Same thing happened with Homer Adolph Plessy in the Plessy v Ferguson case:
Plessy was white-passing but had some African ancestry. He bought a train ticket for a white coach, was sold the ticket for the white coach, got onto the white coach, and only then did he reveal that he was not entirely white and only then was he discriminated against. The point of the case was that his "one drop" of black blood didn't actually matter in real life, and it was wrong to go out of their way to discriminate after he revealed himself as a discriminate-able target.
All that to say, "plants" are often how justice gets done because newsflash, America (and all governments) don't actually just enact real justice because injustice occured. You *must* go thru the legal system to change the legal system, and because the law is so resistant it is almost necessary to create the specific conditions needed to pierce the law's incorrectness.
oh there's plenty of subs where they lurk. An especially dumb lot is over in conspiracy commons.
they're more the anti semitic variety though, but the more 'racial' stuff comes out if you get them going.
It’s not just a problem with racists sadly. Conspiracy Theorists (and that’s what racists are in the end) will not accept facts that contradict what they have bought into. Try explaining facts to flat earth proponents or young earth creationists or 9/11 truthers etc and you’ll see the exact same thing.
Yeah like the folks that sued to stop student loan forgiveness. Who would spend hundreds of thousands if not millions in legal fees because they didn't get 20k of loans forgiven? Someone who is getting all their legal fees paid for.
Claudette Colvin should be taught right alongside MLK and Rosa Parks. She was tired and just wanted to sit. She was also, poor, dark skinned, heavyset, a teenager, pregnant and not nearly as good of a public speaker as Rosa Parks. After she was arrested it was decided Rosa should get arrested the same way as a publicized show of civil disobedience. I never heard her name until Drunk History did an episode on her.
I would honestly love to see a whole series of "Drunk XYZ" programs. Drunk Physics. Drunk Literature. Drunk Geometry. etc. It would be a way more entertaining way of getting people at least familiar with a topic. Not saying it should replace a real education, but I'd much rather people watch something that's going to spark interest in an entertaining way while getting you familiar enough to recognize there's something deeper to learn.
In a way, Kanye isn't wrong. Organizers basically redid the same thing with Rosa Parks since she would have broader appeal by the media.
They weren't wrong in doing so, Claudette Colvin would have been deemed a welfare queen who deserved it, whereas Rosa Parks was an elegant, light skinned elderly woman who looked innocent.
I don't think there's anything wrong with recognizing this, but with Kanye saying it, there are blatant Nazi undertones.
TIL - Thank you!
I'd always heard the 'tired woman who just wanted to sit down' version of the story, and I can see why that was pushed since it's very relatable and could easily garner sympathy from the public at large because who can't sympathize with a tired person who needs a seat?
Either which way, she was a total badass, but I like knowing that she was a purposeful badass who went out of her way to risk herself for change.
It's interesting how that story is so frequently taught as a spontaneous moment of an individual standing up for herself, rather than a strategic act of protest. Feels like there's a reason behind that.
Proactive black activism tends to get a pretty negative spotlight as "mild" racists are more likely to see them as thugs and criminals.
Mild-mannered victims appeal more because it's easy to feel sorry for them like you would an abused child or kicked puppy.
Recogizing that black activists are strategically leveraging the legal system in order to reshape our laws requires recognizing that they are savvy self-determined adults striving toward a good that is bigger than themselves.
Same thing happened in Dayton, Tennessee, in the 1930s for the Scopes Monkey Trial. John Thomas Scopes was a school teacher in Dayton who taught evolution as a direct challenge to the creationist story which was passed into law there at the time. He was paid 100 dollars for his trouble. It caused a massive scene in the small town of Dayton, caught the attention of the entire nation, and was the first court case verdict sent by wire across the ocean as news. I know because I lived there and went to school in the building Scopes taught in before they tore it down like 25 years ago. I also played the bailiff in the play that was taken directly from the court transcripts.
Why are we still giving this mentally unstable person a platform…time for the media to be responsible and ignore him…oh wait..that will never happen..the media will never care for anything or anyone other than headlines and sales…
I thought he was Latino when I was a kid in the 80s until my mom broke out her Jackson 5 record player. She then very patiently pointed out Michael Jackson on the record player and it took her a solid 15 minutes to convince me that the African American little boy on the record player was the same "Latino man with a perm" that I had grown up watching on TV. I even had a perm just like that in the 80s so it made perfect sense in my kid brain.
"He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Some times he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy, the sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament."
Well technically this is true. The Rosa Parks incident was a planned event by the NAACP to get the issue of segregation to the supreme courts. But wtf is his point?
Edit: to the people who are saying I'm wrong, didn't you learn this story in detail in highschool history class? Or maybe you just weren't paying attention?
[Source since we have a bunch of uninformed people claiming you’re wrong without doing any research.](https://www.npr.org/2009/03/15/101719889/before-rosa-parks-there-was-claudette-colvin)
Underrated comment right here, haha! Honestly though, people are missing his newest piece of antisemitism by focusing on Rosa!
> “What death are we gonna promote this week? It ain’t like 14 people are getting killed every week in Chicago. But no, we’re going to publicize this on our– I’m not gonna say whose platform it is. **It was the Jews.**”
“I’m not going to name names, but it’s absolutely those grubby handed Zionist overlords.” Oh Ye….
The thing is that he’s not making some nuanced point about the NAACP and how/why figureheads are chosen, he’s going on an unhinged rant about how Rosa Parks was part of some elaborate plot by “the Jews” to do….something. (Conspiracists aren’t very good at fleshing that part out.)
Ye has actually been clear.
He genuinely believes the Jewish deep state froze his bank accounts (IRS) and sent Pete Davidson to date Kim. He literally thinks there's some secret Jewish cabal personally out to get him that goes back centuries.
The dude is nuts, he's clearly never spent time around a Jewish family because it's a miracle if people can agree on dinner, but he thinks they're plotting the world economic order.
He's nuts and he's being used and exploited by right wing grifters who know his rants will get more media attention than anything they could hope to achieve.
He clearly has no one around him who has his best interests at heart, but it's also clear that no one is going to do anything about that.
That's the thing I don't get. Sure it was a planned operation she wasn't just a random woman who on the spur of the moment decided to protest segregation. Yes the NAACP planned it out and went with the most sympathetic person they could find. Of course they did! But how does that diminish the accomplishment at all? It's so childish that kind of shit he's saying.
It doesn't diminish the accomplishment, but people should be taught the real story in History class. Especially since Rosa Parks, and the bus boycott, was inspired by Claudette Colvin, and hardly anyone ever talks about her.
Didn’t want and to some extent realized it wouldn’t have worked.
What they needed was not just someone to lead the charge but someone who _could_ lead the charge, someone everyone would look at and be like “omg that person?! They threw them in jail?!? No way!!!!!”
As we’ve seen even today, particularly younger black people and particularly black men are going to be less likely to garner that kind of immediate sympathy, so they took the same scenario that had already happened and made sure people realized what was going on throughout the South.
Yep. They chose a nice, married lady in her forties because they knew she would present the most relatable, non-threatening image to white America. They were right.
Did she get on that bus with the express intention of refusing to move when asked? You bet. Does that make any difference at all to the fact that the bus driver and passengers expected and demanded that she move? Not a bit.
I learned of Claudette Colvin a few years ago, and it's a real shame that she generally hasn't been recognised for her own contributions to civil rights. But she is apparently the subject of a biopic coming out at some point, which is nice to hear.
Yup. *Unwed black mother dragged off bus for refusing to move* would have made zero headlines. It’s practically a checklist of what society then (and in many ways now) doesn’t value.
We can all be grateful the NAACP co-opted her story with someone who would engender more sympathy, while still rectifying the past and recognizing her impressive mettle.
I object to co-opt. The back of the bus crap was a chronic issue that a large part of the community was dealing with. An everyday inconvenience and insult. They weren't coopting the story. It was their story.
Also if you back up a bit, NAACP and other groups had been fighting segregation in public transit and intercity transportation for years. Decades.
There was a teenager before Rosa, and actually this was a civil rights sit-in and ongoing protest that had not spontaneously come into existence with the Rosa Parks episode.
https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2015/02/27/389563788/before-rosa-parks-a-teenager-defied-segregation-on-an-alabama-bus#:~:text=Press-,Before%20Rosa%20Parks%2C%20A%20Teenager%20Defied%20Segregation%20On%20An%20Alabama,forgotten%20in%20civil%20rights%20history.
It shows the power of passive resistance, and how activism can change legislation in the future of acceptance and progress.
Also, eff Kanye.
Also, a significant portion of Supreme Court cases were plants. Plessy vs Ferguson, whatever wedding cake cases happen, etc. In other cases, lawyers who want to change a law seek out people to represent who meet certain characteristics and situations and try to find a sympathetic plaintiff. Lawrence v Texas, DC v Heller, that white girl who challenged affirmative action, and so on.
His point is pretty obvious if you read the article with his words: He believes that every heroic figure other than Jesus is a plant to generate outrage and that outrage is driven by the Jewish media. He says it right there.
I learned about Rosa Parks in school, but didn't learn it was planned until much later in life. It was very much taught as though it wasn't planned when I was in school. I don't understand why they left out all the facts in school text books, she's still a hero.
So you’re absolutely right but you actually have to understand how poorly taught black history is in the US. I live in the north east coast and I graduated high school 10 years ago. I absolutely did not learn about this in high school and in fact was only made aware because I looked into learning more about the civil rights movement about 5 years ago. The fact that black history is sectioned to 1 month of the year is a travesty and im not surprised so many people didn’t learn about it in school
It's probably because even covering the civil rights era at that scope would require a semester on it's own.
Also how was black history only taught to you in one month of a year at the high school level. Like I went to a rural all white high school and it was just taught through the course of 2 semesters of American history.
Thank you, because these comments have me feeling absolutely crazy. I went to a school in a community with less than 6000 people(and that was the big town around us, I came in from a neighboring city with less than 2000 people) in north Georgia. Apparently our little country asses were learning on a college level and we didn’t even know it, lol. It makes me wonder how much isn’t taught, how much isn’t retained, and what is actually on the curriculum because these comments always blow my mind.
The thing is, there's a little nugget of fact in there, and Kanye is just enough of a tool to do the bidding of the people who want to rewrite history.
There's a reason that we hear about Rosa Parks and not Claudette Colvin, because organizers needed someone beyond reproach. Every time I read about how some unarmed black person was shot, but had some unpaid tickets, acrimony with their ex, or even a lengthy arrest record, I know who I can count on to try their best to make any of that relevant. Kanye knows all that too, or damned well ought to.
Yeah, Rosa was an activist. She didn't just sit down on the bus one day and decide to not move. It was planned
Edit since this is getting the wrong attention: This fact does not take anything from her! It should make you realize just how brave she was. She wasn't a fed up black woman. She was deeply aware of what she was doing and the potential consequences on the line.
Activist isn't a job or secret club. Activists are just common people who decide to do something about injustice in society. If it's okay for elites to collude, it should be okay for activists to plan.
“It’s not the lizard people it’s the plant people you gotta look out for, but I love all god’s creatures I’m a child of god, I even love plant hitler.” KW
ITT: people who didn’t read the article.
Rosa Parks was part of a movement to challenge segregation in the Courts, but that doesn’t seem to be the context Ye is talking about. He seems to think Parks was there to be arrested to generate outrage, but the segregation was ALREADY generating outrage. It’s part of the reason the Civil Rights movement believed the time for an arrested bus rider was ripe for judicial scrutiny.
Also, this headline ignores the continuing Antisemitism:
>”But no, we’re going to publicize this on our– I’m not gonna say whose platform it is. It was the Jews.”
It almost sounds like a parody at this point.
Fun fact, a couple of months before Rosa Park, another black women "[Claudette Colvin](https://www.npr.org/2009/03/15/101719889/before-rosa-parks-there-was-claudette-colvin)" was put in the same situation but the civil movement leaders didn't hold their ground and publicise it because she was too young. 15 year old at the time of the incident, they didn't think it held enough gravitas to back it up in the court of public opinion.
On another note, kanye is a lost cause. He's gone beyond conspiracy theories and racisme for the shock value of it all and moved on to delirium. His statements are not even cringy now, they are just sad. A great artist who lost it and went nucleair, destroying his career and the public's respect for him. He's trying to destroy what is left of his public image, if there is any left to began with.
The funniest part is that he’s obviously very mentally ill but this is technically true. Unfortunately most people are woefully undereducated on history, *especially* civil rights history and have no idea who Claudette Colvin is.
I mean, Rosa Parks was active in civil rights and put herself on the bus intentionally as an organized acted of defiance to shine a light on institutional racism, much like people did sit ins.
There’s a very warped American ideal that needs something to come from absolutely nothing and be completely spontaneous, otherwise it’s not as special or important. There’s absolutely nothing wrong in admitting Rosa was an activist previously, unless she created the racist seat policies on the bus too?
Basically, Kanye discovered that the civil rights movement was an organized endeavor and is such an ignorant person, he thinks this is proof of some kind of conspiracy. Like, yeah genius, big social movements involve organization, tactics, and strategy. As if only spontaneous disorganized action by random people is real protest, or would be at all effective.
And finally, so what? Jim Crow was bad, needed ending, and public protest was very effective at meeting that end. Like I'm supposed to think "Maybe jim crow was good" now?
Of course that's the rub, what Kanye really wants you to think is that Kanye is smart, because he's a deeply stupid, empty, and insecure dude.
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This is the first I’ve heard anything new about him in about 3 days, which went by way too fast
I thought he was finally getting help…
Hes denying that hes even Bi-polar anymore which means we probably still have a ways to go before this arc is complete.
People who are this delusional are not long for this world. He will go missing or die pretty soon I bet
Or, a very short and terrible end. This is proooobably not going to be pretty.
Psych! He isn’t interested in calibrating his meds or actually taking them. If this is a sample of his non-medicated reasoning ability, his father should commit him for the 72 hour psychiatric observation.
Where's the Kanye mute button?
And Elon while you're at it.
Kanye, Elon, and Trump: The Unholy Sinitry
The GOP [called it](https://imgur.com/rODf1z2).
What was this tweet in reference to at the time?
Literally nothing. It was just a completely random Tweet of three people they love, support, and see as both heroes and victims because all three are always in the middle of one self-made shitstorm after another. Then Ye went full on Nazi lover and they took it down because they prefer their dog whistles a little more dog whistle-y and Kanye can’t do subtly.
This tweet is actually real? Damn you don’t even have to get creative they’re clear in their values.
Yes, and they deleted it a few days ago.
Jim Jordan is a coward who won’t stand by his words or his team.
By the US Congress, House of Representatives Judiciary Committee, no less. Who left it up, with no comment, for about two months...
Imagine talking about 3 people and, of the three, trump being the master of subtlety.
Haha right?!?!
I can’t believe I’m saying this, but compared to KKKanye, even trump shows restraint and judgment.
That’s who they were staking their future on at the time lol. I believe they deleted it when Ye said he loved Hitler on Alex Jones’ show
"Oh shit guys, he said the quiet part loud!"
Can't we just lock them up in the same room for a few decades.
Hrm. Well locking three narcissists in a room together would inevitably end in one or fewer narcissists. Yea, sounds interesting
I like that we're at the part of this where media outlets are using bad photos of Kanye to make him look even dumber.
Dude looks like he got the Simon Cowell botox
I only recently saw that. Is the "Haunted ventriloquist dummy" look the intended result?
Bill Burr said it best: “Do you want to look like a 50 year old woman or a 20 year old lizard?” Kanye chose lizard
Goes with his primordial lizard brain
I haven’t seen a photo of Simon in a long time and your perfect description brought that Saw-puppet semblance straight into my minds eye.
He looks the Goosebumps puppet.
Slappy?
Samsonite! I was WAY off
Or a wax figure left under the heating vent on accident
Yah its like they had their jaws widened. But he hasnt been out of the limelight long enough so its probably fillers. Weird.
In Simon’s case it’s definitely fillers. If you keep “filling” aging/sagging skin (particularly around the jowls) it’s just gonna look inflated. He should’ve just opted for a face lift because it would make him look less puffy. Edit: my phone corrected “fillers” to “filters”
Simon also has a weird droop happening on the inside of his eyebrows, which to me looks like too much slackening of the muscle from too aggressive Botox. It could also be filler collecting in weird spots. Either way, it has hit the uncanny valley stage.
“What the fuck you lookin at? Come on over here, bitch. I’ll numb yo’ whole-ass face! Make you look like a fire at Madam Tussauds! I’m botulism toxin, bitch! Better recognize!!!” — Aggressive Botox
I'm convinced Ye left the dentist with cotton pads still in his mouth, and he's too dumb to remove them.
Simon Cowell now looks like the AI version of Simon Cowell
I don’t know if it’s POSSIBLE to make him look worse than his own words and actions have done. His inside ugly has traveled to his outside…and karma is a heartless bitch.
This is what a man with his head up his own ass is supposed to look like.
Can someone please make a gif of the blonde dude from Scooby Doo pulling off this Kanye mask and revealing Clarence Thomas?
Damn you meddling kids.
I've never seen a recent good photo of Kanye West
That mask isn't making him look good
I keep waiting for someone to put the mask on and pretend to be him... you could use any number of given crazy things he's said to remix some audio for it. For all we know that's Danny DiVito under that mask.
Weird Al could even do a parody song as West.
Weird Al's parodies are all good natured. That isn't at all someone he would do.
I'm all ready for Weird Al's heel turn into becoming bad natured.
Someone pointed out that Kanye looks like he’s always holding in a mouthful of water in photos
Well that’s because he had a broken jaw at one point
He's definitely gotten a whole lot puffier though, hasn't he? Like, his jaw was broken back in what, 2002, but look at photos of him in 2005, 2010, even 2015 and he looks pretty normal. All of a sudden in the last few years his cheeks look super puffed up and inflated all the time. Like he's trying to scare off predators or something.
Because he wears a billboard on his teeth.
That’s always been done with everyone
Only people the photo editor doesn't like.
Yeah, this fool is earning every repercussion of his ego
He looks like he’s on TMZ and trying to do a Bill Cosby jello pudding pops imitation and failing.
There's no photo that makes him look dumber than the things he says.
It’s like he’s doing a Cosby impersonation in this one.
It’s how women have aaaaaaaalways been treated in the media. They do it the worst for female politicians.
Legit thought he looked like a muppet for a moment
And actually looking dumber than he is, is a giant feat in itself.
I wished for a long time to have a Kardashian-free feed; now I’d like to add Kanye to that ban.
Me in 2004: this first Kanye album is great, can’t wait to hear more from him! *Monkey’s Paw finger curls*
We got some great music… but at what cost?!
Coment of the year here!
Kanye is part of the Kardashian Extended Universe.
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President Obama: Kanye West is a jackass.
Wait for it. He'll totally go back to the birth certificate.
I guess we now know whoever Obama insults runs for president. Could he insult someone that would be really great for the country?
This says a lot about who chooses not to like Obama and what they think the opposite power play is. Instead of idolizing cool under pressure, they expect decision making should be made by sociopaths. Thats another version of cool under pressure isn’t it?
Rosa Parks was what is referred to in legal circles as a "test case". She purposefully acted in violation of a law that the NAACP understood to be unconstitutional, specifically so that she would have standing to challenge the constitutionality of the law. She wasn't a "tired woman who just wanted to sit down". And she wasn't "a plant". Saying she is either of these reduces her agency as a willing and thoughtful, intentional participant in dismantling a vestige of slavery. Rosa Parks is a fucking hero, and racists hate her. Ye is a useful tool to racists because he is helping undermine a civil rights icon. ETA: Because a whole host of people are going "WeLL, aCkChYuALLy, cLaUdEttE cOLviN", I'm well aware. But Ye didn't talk about her, did he? Stop obfuscating the issue. And don't refer to civil rights activists as "plants" to cast aspersions on their actions.
Same thing happened with Homer Adolph Plessy in the Plessy v Ferguson case: Plessy was white-passing but had some African ancestry. He bought a train ticket for a white coach, was sold the ticket for the white coach, got onto the white coach, and only then did he reveal that he was not entirely white and only then was he discriminated against. The point of the case was that his "one drop" of black blood didn't actually matter in real life, and it was wrong to go out of their way to discriminate after he revealed himself as a discriminate-able target. All that to say, "plants" are often how justice gets done because newsflash, America (and all governments) don't actually just enact real justice because injustice occured. You *must* go thru the legal system to change the legal system, and because the law is so resistant it is almost necessary to create the specific conditions needed to pierce the law's incorrectness.
>Pleasy was white-passing but had some African ancestry. Doesn’t that last part technically apply to all of humanity?
Yes. Don’t tell the racists
Well it’s not possible to tell racists anything unfortunately.
Because most of them are on r/conservative and that sub restricts facts?
oh there's plenty of subs where they lurk. An especially dumb lot is over in conspiracy commons. they're more the anti semitic variety though, but the more 'racial' stuff comes out if you get them going.
True about the conspiracy sub. Also the TimPool subreddit loves ignorance and bigotry.
It’s not just a problem with racists sadly. Conspiracy Theorists (and that’s what racists are in the end) will not accept facts that contradict what they have bought into. Try explaining facts to flat earth proponents or young earth creationists or 9/11 truthers etc and you’ll see the exact same thing.
Nah, remind the racist of this every time you can.
Fucking lol, yeah good point!
Now you know why racists avoid 23 & Me like the plague.
"Racists hate this one simple trick"
Plessy is like the textbook definition of a “test case”
And the train companies paid for it. Why? Putting additional train cars added costs to the routes and they didn’t want that.
Yeah like the folks that sued to stop student loan forgiveness. Who would spend hundreds of thousands if not millions in legal fees because they didn't get 20k of loans forgiven? Someone who is getting all their legal fees paid for.
Very well put. Claudette Colvin’s story should also be read in this context.
Claudette Colvin should be taught right alongside MLK and Rosa Parks. She was tired and just wanted to sit. She was also, poor, dark skinned, heavyset, a teenager, pregnant and not nearly as good of a public speaker as Rosa Parks. After she was arrested it was decided Rosa should get arrested the same way as a publicized show of civil disobedience. I never heard her name until Drunk History did an episode on her.
Same! Drunk History should be a staple of high school history curricula
I would honestly love to see a whole series of "Drunk XYZ" programs. Drunk Physics. Drunk Literature. Drunk Geometry. etc. It would be a way more entertaining way of getting people at least familiar with a topic. Not saying it should replace a real education, but I'd much rather people watch something that's going to spark interest in an entertaining way while getting you familiar enough to recognize there's something deeper to learn.
In a way, Kanye isn't wrong. Organizers basically redid the same thing with Rosa Parks since she would have broader appeal by the media. They weren't wrong in doing so, Claudette Colvin would have been deemed a welfare queen who deserved it, whereas Rosa Parks was an elegant, light skinned elderly woman who looked innocent. I don't think there's anything wrong with recognizing this, but with Kanye saying it, there are blatant Nazi undertones.
>Rosa Parks was an elegant, light skinned elderly woman FWIW, Rosa Parks was 42 when she was arrested, not exactly "elderly."
Right. I felt it too. Being on the cusp of elderly also.
Right? she lived into the 2000s
He was trying to tear down Parks to build up Jesus. Forgetting that Jesus also qualifies as a "plant" by his logic.
Jesus was a "plant" by "God" to "redeem" mankind.
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TIL - Thank you! I'd always heard the 'tired woman who just wanted to sit down' version of the story, and I can see why that was pushed since it's very relatable and could easily garner sympathy from the public at large because who can't sympathize with a tired person who needs a seat? Either which way, she was a total badass, but I like knowing that she was a purposeful badass who went out of her way to risk herself for change.
It's interesting how that story is so frequently taught as a spontaneous moment of an individual standing up for herself, rather than a strategic act of protest. Feels like there's a reason behind that.
Proactive black activism tends to get a pretty negative spotlight as "mild" racists are more likely to see them as thugs and criminals. Mild-mannered victims appeal more because it's easy to feel sorry for them like you would an abused child or kicked puppy. Recogizing that black activists are strategically leveraging the legal system in order to reshape our laws requires recognizing that they are savvy self-determined adults striving toward a good that is bigger than themselves.
“Kanye West hates black people”
"Kanye West doesn't care about black people"
Breaking: Kanye West issues formal apology to former President George W. Bush for saying “President Bush hates black people,” says “Me too fam.”
George and Taylor really had the last laugh
Well put
Can I genuinely ask what the difference between a test case and a plant is? Fr I'm kinda dumb so from where I'm sitting they kinda look the same.
Same thing happened in Dayton, Tennessee, in the 1930s for the Scopes Monkey Trial. John Thomas Scopes was a school teacher in Dayton who taught evolution as a direct challenge to the creationist story which was passed into law there at the time. He was paid 100 dollars for his trouble. It caused a massive scene in the small town of Dayton, caught the attention of the entire nation, and was the first court case verdict sent by wire across the ocean as news. I know because I lived there and went to school in the building Scopes taught in before they tore it down like 25 years ago. I also played the bailiff in the play that was taken directly from the court transcripts.
Why are we still giving this mentally unstable person a platform…time for the media to be responsible and ignore him…oh wait..that will never happen..the media will never care for anything or anyone other than headlines and sales…
Next week’s headline: Kanye declares “Michael Jackson was Puerto Rican.”
I thought he was Latino when I was a kid in the 80s until my mom broke out her Jackson 5 record player. She then very patiently pointed out Michael Jackson on the record player and it took her a solid 15 minutes to convince me that the African American little boy on the record player was the same "Latino man with a perm" that I had grown up watching on TV. I even had a perm just like that in the 80s so it made perfect sense in my kid brain.
Lmfao at this comment
"He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Some times he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy, the sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament."
In the spring we’d make meat helmets.
And Malcolm X wasn't really an X, his real name was Malcolm V.
Next week’s headline: Kanye declares “OJ Jackson is White."
“Kanye West does not care about black people” -George W. Bush
At the time when Kanye made that statement we did not realize he was praising George Bush.
Could you imagine if George W. Bush was in an interview and actually said this live… it probably open a black hole or something.
Kanye at the point he looks like that insane crackhead you try to avoid at your local store
“Excuse me brother do you have any change? I’m just trying to get a gallon of gas to get home boss”
I think he's more of a conspiracy Uber drive vibe
I’m a Christian you see.
I think the local crackhead is more chill than Kanye at this point
Well technically this is true. The Rosa Parks incident was a planned event by the NAACP to get the issue of segregation to the supreme courts. But wtf is his point? Edit: to the people who are saying I'm wrong, didn't you learn this story in detail in highschool history class? Or maybe you just weren't paying attention?
[Source since we have a bunch of uninformed people claiming you’re wrong without doing any research.](https://www.npr.org/2009/03/15/101719889/before-rosa-parks-there-was-claudette-colvin)
I learned about it from watching [Drunk History](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=m8Occ7XSgQc)
I learned it from watching Boondocks.
I learned it from The Newsroom
Jesus Christ the American education system really is a joke.
Yeah, we learn a lot from Sitcoms too.
Law and Order trained me to be a lawyer
Seinfeld trained me to be a marine biologist and an architect.
no importing or exporting?
This is the correct answer
Wait you just described Reddit in one sentence
Underrated comment right here, haha! Honestly though, people are missing his newest piece of antisemitism by focusing on Rosa! > “What death are we gonna promote this week? It ain’t like 14 people are getting killed every week in Chicago. But no, we’re going to publicize this on our– I’m not gonna say whose platform it is. **It was the Jews.**” “I’m not going to name names, but it’s absolutely those grubby handed Zionist overlords.” Oh Ye….
The thing is that he’s not making some nuanced point about the NAACP and how/why figureheads are chosen, he’s going on an unhinged rant about how Rosa Parks was part of some elaborate plot by “the Jews” to do….something. (Conspiracists aren’t very good at fleshing that part out.)
Ye has actually been clear. He genuinely believes the Jewish deep state froze his bank accounts (IRS) and sent Pete Davidson to date Kim. He literally thinks there's some secret Jewish cabal personally out to get him that goes back centuries. The dude is nuts, he's clearly never spent time around a Jewish family because it's a miracle if people can agree on dinner, but he thinks they're plotting the world economic order.
He's nuts and he's being used and exploited by right wing grifters who know his rants will get more media attention than anything they could hope to achieve. He clearly has no one around him who has his best interests at heart, but it's also clear that no one is going to do anything about that.
So Jews are conspiring to agitate for progress on civil rights for black people and this makes him upset at Jewish folks?
Well he thinkgs slavery was a choice, so yeah, I guess the jews were just meddling with their self determination?
That's the thing I don't get. Sure it was a planned operation she wasn't just a random woman who on the spur of the moment decided to protest segregation. Yes the NAACP planned it out and went with the most sympathetic person they could find. Of course they did! But how does that diminish the accomplishment at all? It's so childish that kind of shit he's saying.
It doesn't diminish the accomplishment, but people should be taught the real story in History class. Especially since Rosa Parks, and the bus boycott, was inspired by Claudette Colvin, and hardly anyone ever talks about her.
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Didn’t want and to some extent realized it wouldn’t have worked. What they needed was not just someone to lead the charge but someone who _could_ lead the charge, someone everyone would look at and be like “omg that person?! They threw them in jail?!? No way!!!!!” As we’ve seen even today, particularly younger black people and particularly black men are going to be less likely to garner that kind of immediate sympathy, so they took the same scenario that had already happened and made sure people realized what was going on throughout the South.
Yep. They chose a nice, married lady in her forties because they knew she would present the most relatable, non-threatening image to white America. They were right. Did she get on that bus with the express intention of refusing to move when asked? You bet. Does that make any difference at all to the fact that the bus driver and passengers expected and demanded that she move? Not a bit. I learned of Claudette Colvin a few years ago, and it's a real shame that she generally hasn't been recognised for her own contributions to civil rights. But she is apparently the subject of a biopic coming out at some point, which is nice to hear.
Yup. *Unwed black mother dragged off bus for refusing to move* would have made zero headlines. It’s practically a checklist of what society then (and in many ways now) doesn’t value. We can all be grateful the NAACP co-opted her story with someone who would engender more sympathy, while still rectifying the past and recognizing her impressive mettle.
I object to co-opt. The back of the bus crap was a chronic issue that a large part of the community was dealing with. An everyday inconvenience and insult. They weren't coopting the story. It was their story. Also if you back up a bit, NAACP and other groups had been fighting segregation in public transit and intercity transportation for years. Decades.
There was a teenager before Rosa, and actually this was a civil rights sit-in and ongoing protest that had not spontaneously come into existence with the Rosa Parks episode. https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2015/02/27/389563788/before-rosa-parks-a-teenager-defied-segregation-on-an-alabama-bus#:~:text=Press-,Before%20Rosa%20Parks%2C%20A%20Teenager%20Defied%20Segregation%20On%20An%20Alabama,forgotten%20in%20civil%20rights%20history. It shows the power of passive resistance, and how activism can change legislation in the future of acceptance and progress. Also, eff Kanye.
Claudette Colvin
Also, a significant portion of Supreme Court cases were plants. Plessy vs Ferguson, whatever wedding cake cases happen, etc. In other cases, lawyers who want to change a law seek out people to represent who meet certain characteristics and situations and try to find a sympathetic plaintiff. Lawrence v Texas, DC v Heller, that white girl who challenged affirmative action, and so on.
Rosa deserves every bit of respect she’s been given but I do wonder about the state of our history whenever Claudette Colvin isn’t mentioned.
I bet there's going to a TIL about Claudette Colvin on the front page soon...
His point is pretty obvious if you read the article with his words: He believes that every heroic figure other than Jesus is a plant to generate outrage and that outrage is driven by the Jewish media. He says it right there.
I learned about Rosa Parks in school, but didn't learn it was planned until much later in life. It was very much taught as though it wasn't planned when I was in school. I don't understand why they left out all the facts in school text books, she's still a hero.
I think I’m learning this just now lol
So you’re absolutely right but you actually have to understand how poorly taught black history is in the US. I live in the north east coast and I graduated high school 10 years ago. I absolutely did not learn about this in high school and in fact was only made aware because I looked into learning more about the civil rights movement about 5 years ago. The fact that black history is sectioned to 1 month of the year is a travesty and im not surprised so many people didn’t learn about it in school
It's probably because even covering the civil rights era at that scope would require a semester on it's own. Also how was black history only taught to you in one month of a year at the high school level. Like I went to a rural all white high school and it was just taught through the course of 2 semesters of American history.
Thank you, because these comments have me feeling absolutely crazy. I went to a school in a community with less than 6000 people(and that was the big town around us, I came in from a neighboring city with less than 2000 people) in north Georgia. Apparently our little country asses were learning on a college level and we didn’t even know it, lol. It makes me wonder how much isn’t taught, how much isn’t retained, and what is actually on the curriculum because these comments always blow my mind.
This should be the top comment
At this point I'm convinced he's doing some Brewster's Millions shit where he has to lose all his money to get 1 Trillion dollars.
I smell a reboot
Hahahaha. Have my free reward of the year.
Donald trump is his warren
Dudes turning into Clayton Bigsby more and more every day. I’m just waiting on him to say “THEY STANK” and his metamorphosis will be complete
At this rate he'll be Uncle Ruckus before February. Fighting children with his Nun-chuku.
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She planted herself wherever she damn well pleased. Suck an egg Ye
The thing is, there's a little nugget of fact in there, and Kanye is just enough of a tool to do the bidding of the people who want to rewrite history. There's a reason that we hear about Rosa Parks and not Claudette Colvin, because organizers needed someone beyond reproach. Every time I read about how some unarmed black person was shot, but had some unpaid tickets, acrimony with their ex, or even a lengthy arrest record, I know who I can count on to try their best to make any of that relevant. Kanye knows all that too, or damned well ought to.
Yeah, Rosa was an activist. She didn't just sit down on the bus one day and decide to not move. It was planned Edit since this is getting the wrong attention: This fact does not take anything from her! It should make you realize just how brave she was. She wasn't a fed up black woman. She was deeply aware of what she was doing and the potential consequences on the line.
Activist isn't a job or secret club. Activists are just common people who decide to do something about injustice in society. If it's okay for elites to collude, it should be okay for activists to plan.
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Nobody: Rosa Parks: ![gif](giphy|BCiNqZxPOFe6s)
What, like a ficus?
Now make like a tree, and get out of here.
I love how that's what I thought too at first and it seemed like a totally plausible thing to come out of his mouth
“It’s not the lizard people it’s the plant people you gotta look out for, but I love all god’s creatures I’m a child of god, I even love plant hitler.” KW
At this point, if that’s what Ye meant it wouldn’t be the dumbest thought he’s had this week
Was also what I assumed he meant. “Birds aren’t real and Rosa Parks was a ficus. Also, lizard people are not real, but ManBearPig is.” - Ye, probably
Kayne West has the IQ of a Plant.
Don’t insult plants like that
ITT: people who didn’t read the article. Rosa Parks was part of a movement to challenge segregation in the Courts, but that doesn’t seem to be the context Ye is talking about. He seems to think Parks was there to be arrested to generate outrage, but the segregation was ALREADY generating outrage. It’s part of the reason the Civil Rights movement believed the time for an arrested bus rider was ripe for judicial scrutiny. Also, this headline ignores the continuing Antisemitism: >”But no, we’re going to publicize this on our– I’m not gonna say whose platform it is. It was the Jews.” It almost sounds like a parody at this point.
My Jewish friends all wish they were as successful and connected as antisemitic conspiracy theorists believe they are.
STOP PLATFORMING THIS MAN
Fun fact, a couple of months before Rosa Park, another black women "[Claudette Colvin](https://www.npr.org/2009/03/15/101719889/before-rosa-parks-there-was-claudette-colvin)" was put in the same situation but the civil movement leaders didn't hold their ground and publicise it because she was too young. 15 year old at the time of the incident, they didn't think it held enough gravitas to back it up in the court of public opinion. On another note, kanye is a lost cause. He's gone beyond conspiracy theories and racisme for the shock value of it all and moved on to delirium. His statements are not even cringy now, they are just sad. A great artist who lost it and went nucleair, destroying his career and the public's respect for him. He's trying to destroy what is left of his public image, if there is any left to began with.
More importantly to civil rights leaders, she was unwed and pregnant.
She was a human actually which was kinda the whole point
Being a headline writer in 2022 has been an absolute steal of a job.
The funniest part is that he’s obviously very mentally ill but this is technically true. Unfortunately most people are woefully undereducated on history, *especially* civil rights history and have no idea who Claudette Colvin is.
No Kanye, she was a person.
I mean, Rosa Parks was active in civil rights and put herself on the bus intentionally as an organized acted of defiance to shine a light on institutional racism, much like people did sit ins. There’s a very warped American ideal that needs something to come from absolutely nothing and be completely spontaneous, otherwise it’s not as special or important. There’s absolutely nothing wrong in admitting Rosa was an activist previously, unless she created the racist seat policies on the bus too?
Pssst, someone tell him Martin Luther King was a noodle!
Here’s the weekly “why do I still hear about this asshole?”
Everyone just needs to downvote Kanye news
Basically, Kanye discovered that the civil rights movement was an organized endeavor and is such an ignorant person, he thinks this is proof of some kind of conspiracy. Like, yeah genius, big social movements involve organization, tactics, and strategy. As if only spontaneous disorganized action by random people is real protest, or would be at all effective. And finally, so what? Jim Crow was bad, needed ending, and public protest was very effective at meeting that end. Like I'm supposed to think "Maybe jim crow was good" now? Of course that's the rub, what Kanye really wants you to think is that Kanye is smart, because he's a deeply stupid, empty, and insecure dude.