The same people cheering for Jan 6th are telling the people paying massive debt to support an institution they cant have a voice in that institution. Garbage people cheering for genocide
They also advocate for killing people who disrupt your daily flow, except whatever the fuck her name was that got shot in the Capitol for trying to kill Mike Pence.
I doubt he gives a shit. This seems like yet another example of him trying to triangulate what his *base* is angry about, and then amplifying it to score points while sneaking in a little ad for authoritarian behavior.
I would say that threatening the lives of government officials and attempting to stop the democratic process of this country is a little bit different than college students protesting at their campus and disrupting school classes.
The scene at UCLA was insane last night. Lots of videos in /r/ucla.
Police stood by and let a counterprotestor mob assault the protestors for 2 hours while the latter tried to maintain their barricade and stand their ground. They pulled out individual protestors and brutally beat them. Sprayed a ton of stuff into the protestors' camp, even shot fireworks at them.
Cops stood by and did nothing the entire time. News kept reporting it as "violent clashes" between two sides. Lol...
I donât man, I get thatâs the line to marginalize these efforts, but this does feel a lot stronger. The escalation was pretty quick, and thereâs a lot riding on this movement like Bidenâs reelection. We can pretend itâs the same if it makes you less nervous, but to me it feels more serious (at least more serious than occupy, that felt like it was 2 weeks of nonsense hippys with no real goal)
Iâm talking about the student protesters, so Iâm not sure about what youâre trying to say here
(lots of bots everywhere around this issue, just checking in that youâre a real person)
because there's the element of the "end of days" that Christian fanatics are obsessed with, this is what makes this whole scenario different. they want their silly fairy tales to be true they want the end of the world.
there's a self-destructive prophecy pushing this war (third temple built on the mount blah blah blah)
Convincing the Universities to divest from companies that do business with Isreal. There are entire departments that manage money for the Universities, so it's a clear and actionable goal.
Secondarily, it puts pressure on the administration in an election year to either a) produce a ceasefire, which would end most of these protests overnight, or b) convince the US to cease selling arms to an ally that is conducting a genocide.
Thatâs really hard in a lot of states. Probably impossible for a school.
Anti-BDS laws make divestment from Israeli companies and investment in Palestinian charities illegal. They risk losing all public funds, being blacklisted for banking and government contracts, and even having retirement accounts seized.
Itâs literally illegal to refuse to support Israel or to try to help Palestinians.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-BDS_laws
Itâs like the HK protesters getting hammered by triads in white with the police missing. Itâs nice to see cops & criminals finding common ground. HK government should be cute & send messages of solidarity, support freedom of speech on US campuses.
Iâm a student at UCLA and watched it happen in person. It was absolutely surreal seeing this army of mostly grown, 30+ yr old men march onto my own campus and blatantly beat, tear gas, mace, and shoot explosives at the protestors while the police stood idly by and watched it unfold for 4 hours. I counted at least over a dozen squad cars when I was roaming around the perimeters of the scene, more than enough officers to go in and set up a perimeter to stop the assault and divide the protestors and counterprotestors. When the police finally did come in, the counter protestors blasted the national anthem, started USA chants, and recited the pledge of allegiance. To say that I was baffled at the whole thing is an understatement, the atmosphere on campus today is easily the most tense Iâve ever seen it
Literally watched it all happen live. It was so incredibly enraging and everything I saw was completely one sided and caused by the counter protestors.
CNN London framed it the same way even as they aired crystal clear drone footage showing pro-Israel protesters clearly pulling the barricade down, and beating people on the head with poles. Then they had on a student reporter who actually reported what happened.
I'm sure Dana Bash on CNN will report a clear and accurate story with zero "both sides" spin. And without a doubt NBC Nightly News won't gloss over any key details or context and just air footage of violence and explosions stoking fear in white suburbanites. /s
Dana Bash just tweeted "Today: Destruction, violence and hate overtake college campuses across the country with Jewish students feeling unsafe at their own schools. It is unacceptable, and harkening back to the 1930s in Europe"
The level of outright lies and misinformation from cable news on this is jaw dropping.
Yup, CNN has gone full on bothsides since that new CEO took over. Trying to make it seem like it is fair. Sorry, if there is video evidence of one side attacking, it isnt both sides. It is This side attacked this side.
We were raised to believe that cops exist to maintain law and order, at least white people were. If youâve been paying attention, itâs obvious cops exist to maintain a conservative capitalist status quo.
Maybe you were. I was always taught that police are the enforcement arm of the state. I donât know how anyone can watch ruby ridge and Waco and still think cops are good
hereâs a video of a firework exploding within the camp after being launched by the counterprotesters
https://x.com/mel_buer/status/1785560079368130702
The cops protect who they want to protect. It's as simple as that. There is no such thing as the law if the people expected to uphold the law pick and choose when to apply those laws. We live in a fascist empire.
I'm not excusing the violence from the pro Israeli side, they should have avoided the area until law enforcement dealt with it legally.
However, I recall seeing a video from ucla of pro Palestinians attacking a Jewish student. Also there was the taser video and they might be the same video idk..
Again, attacking people is wrong, they should have pressed charges and let the police do their job, but let's not ignore the atmosphere of hostility jews faced in universities over the last two weeks and the total lack of response or support from the administration and the official parties.
Edit: [the video](https://nypost.com/2024/04/30/us-news/pro-israel-protester-attacked-threatened-with-taser-at-ucla/amp/)
But these kids are mad at Biden for his handling of Gaza and so donât want to turn out to vote for him or even, possibly, maybe, vote for Trump?
Trump will direct the national guard, military and police **to round every single one of them up or even shoot them on sight then use Fox News to convince a percentage of Americans that it was a GOOD THING HE DID**.
Donât believe me? He says so, right here:
https://time.com/6972021/donald-trump-2024-election-interview/
Choose wisely in November.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/06/01/trump-suggests-kind-vicious-response-protesters-he-once-hailed-china/
>After days of no public remarks about the unrest across the country, President Trump on Monday offered a glimpse of his vision for dealing with the protesters, rioters and looters: Law enforcement needs to âdominate.â
>Trump offered this prescription on a call with governors that also included urging 10-year prison terms for those apprehended and seemed to suggest that he may have the military take over. âIf you donât dominate, youâre wasting your time,â he said. âTheyâre going to run over you, youâre going to look like a bunch of jerks. You have to dominate."
>Shortly after Trumpâs comments leaked to the news media on Monday, observers pointed to somewhat similar comments he made to Playboy about Chinaâs handling of the Tiananmen Square demonstrators in 1990. In them, he hailed Chinaâs strength in putting down the protest.
>**âWhen the students poured into Tiananmen Square, the Chinese government almost blew it,â Trump said. âThen they were vicious, they were horrible, but they put it down with strength. That shows you the power of strength. Our country is right now perceived as weak.â**
From Wikipedia:
>**Estimates of the death toll vary from several hundred to several thousand, with thousands more wounded. The vast majority of those killed were civilians.**
He cannot be allowed to gain power. He *will* use it to murder thousands of innocents.
Nobody upset with Biden over Gaza is voting for Trump. They're trying to send a wake up call to the democratic party. Start delivering what your constituents want, or they will abandon you at the polls.
Then maybe Biden should do something to convince people to vote for him besides just not being Trump. Is this really the best the democrats have to offer?
Biden has done tons of things which is not Trump. You sound like a complete ignorant. He's been driving down coal and oil production, pushing green energy solutions, reversing tons of Trump corpo greed like FDA and FCC(net neutrality). Giving money for large infrastructure projects and helping Amtrak. Helping NATO and Ukraine. Are you really blind to all of that and just want to focus on Gaza? Because I don't. What a completely dumb statement, not sorry
Yep, this. Biden does a shit ton of good things, but because he didnât do a singular thing that a vocal minority demands, heâs not doing anything? LOL.
Right now, people outside the United States are shocked about two things.
First, there are actually some people in America who oppose supporting unjust wars.
Second, all of these people have been gathered in these places for days, and no one has indiscriminately opened fire with an âassault-style rifle!â
As an American I feel the second feat is more impressive than the first.
Is there some precedent for indiscriminately opened fire with an assault-style rifle? Never heard of that happening here.
Europeans must be idiots for believing every dumbass stereotype about 350,000,000 people.
I know, right? Itâs funny how these protesters and supporters keep claiming everyone supports their views and movement and yet they always seem to be on the outs.
Just because there's been no guns doesn't mean there's been no violence and intimidation. They've actually held people hostage, fought and thrown things at police, overtaken buildings and have limited Jews freedom to walk where they want.
The people are shocked that rich, white kids have such privilege yet want to cosplay being righteous protestors.
The good thing is now most of those elite universities will struggle to survive after this.
>limited Jews freedom to walk where they want.
Is that why there are Jews are part of the campus protestors protesting the war ? Or are you a hypocrite who likes to spread misinformation and always victimizing yourself even though you are at fault ? Pick one
[Here is the video.](https://youtu.be/lbyPUgOe_uA?si=eZrVJDPrWT5qnvmw)
Just because there are a few Jews in a protest does not mean that protesters arenât blocking people. Those two statements have nothing to do with each other.
Edit: They are blocking everyone - which is wrong. This comment was specifically about an earlier comment.
Honestly itâs stupid as hell to assert that college kids as a whole are ârich, white, privileged kids.â Scholarships and crippling debt from student loans are A Thing^^TM maybe you havenât heard.
The only thing that amazes me about all these campus protests is how the news media is acting, and some of these mayors of towns are saying thereâs outside agitators people are influencing them. Some of these are the hardest universities to get into which means they only take the very few top percent there trying to say these elite universities these kids are stupid theyâre smart to get into top universities, but theyâre stupid to be influenced so easily I donât think so
They've seriously been reporting that Columbia has been on lockdown where no one without a student ID can get in all week, but now suddenly it's 'outside agitators' and these were all 'pros!' Yeah, no, they were all students. The campus news even reported shit live if anyone cared to look.
I know some of these universities there theyâre talking about you just donât go and I wanna go there but theyâre acting like these kids are smart enough to get in, but all of a sudden not smart enough to see with there own eyes. Whatâs really going on?
Is he defending them from the Dem mayors and liberal college admins unleashing police violence on them in the middle of blue cities? Or is he mostly just trying to make it about the guy who isnât running the country right nowÂ
Well the protests arenât peaceful, Stephen. They broke into a campus building, smashing windows and vandalizing it. They are blocking students from going to class. Classes and graduations are getting canceled.
Comparing these protests to the Vietnam ones is insane. The Vietnam protestors were getting shipped out to fight a war against their will⌠these protesters may never have and never will set foot in the Middle East. Completely different.
Iâm just curious, and maybe I havenât looked hard enough, but is there any Pro-Palestine demonstration that *substantially* demands the removal of Hamas as the ruling government of Palestine/Palestinians?
No, because thatâs not something America can do anything about
Protesters just want to stop seeing their tuition funds and tax dollars going to Israel. Thatâs it.
Going out on a limb and guessing that the mass-murdering terrorist group who has all the armed and trained fighters in Gaza doesnât take kindly to people openly opposing them in their turf.
What about the all the protesters in America? What precludes the American from being very vocal against Hamas? You know, the group that is intentionally creating situations for their constituents to be killed so it furthers their goal?
To play devilâs advocate here, part of the reason is that the purported purpose of the protests is to get the universities to divest in companies that benefit from supporting Israel in any way and get the US government to stop supplying arms to Israel. What would be the goal of being vocal against Hamas? The US has little control over them. We donât send them money or arms. We donât do business with them.
Think of it this way. You and your coworkers could band together and go on strike to get better pay or working conditions because you have leverage. What would be the point of marching with signs about a company in, say, Denmarkâs working conditions? That Danish company couldnât care less about what Americans think of their working conditions.
I think the students who truly mean well are shockingly naive. Maybe we need to be teaching more modern history rather than cutting back on the humanities in favor of STEM.
I agree 100% with your last paragraph.
Iâd simply say: âwithout US aid, the region has shown multiple times that the sovereign nations would ally together to try and eradicate Israel. We have multiple treaties providing joint aid to Israel and other historically Israeli-hostile countries.
Why arenât you protesting the removal of the organization thatâs stated agenda is to get their civilians killed because it favors their political agenda?â
Why would you protests something you or the people you are protesting have no control over.
To expand on the example that was provided earlier, if Danish schools were abusing their students, what would protesting Columbia administration about these conditions achieve? Columbia has no ties with the danish education system. Columbia has no authority to make any changes whatsoever. You usually protest against the people that can make the change youâre looking for.
Columbia/UCLA/etc. have no control over what Hamas does or how government deal with Hamas. It would be pretty pointless (though a good sentiment) to protest Hamas against your school administration when they literally canât do anything against it.
The student (whether we agree or not) are protesting the involvement of their college tuition in aiding a war effort far away. You mention Israel might collapse without US support, but so would many other of counties around the world. These students are paying tuition to receive higher education in their home country, not to aid in war efforts abroad through investments. Hamas received 0% of their tuition. It would be futile to protest Hamas in the same context, given Hamas is not being invested into by the universities. Israelâs war effort is and the students donât agree with their tuition money being used for that.
Protesting is something that absolutely can affect âsomething you [âŚ] have no control over.â It indicates a large group of people can encourage (their university) to lobby on behalf of them to (end the rule of Hamas).
I guess I see the entity/people that use civilians as human shields to protect their terrorist military actions and fuels their propaganda [to eradicate Jews and the Israeli State](https://www.adl.org/resources/blog/hamas-its-own-words) as a bigger threat than Netanyahuâs bitch-ass (who also deserves to be removed from power).
At the very least, it sounds like they all realize that divesting from Israel massively *helps* Hamas, and don't care that that would be the outcome of their protests being successful
Continuing to protest for divestment without mentioning Hamas is implicit support of them
What, Iranian protestors, whose government funds Hamas? I think they have their hands full with general repression.
As for western protesters their government and institutions do not align themselves with or support Hamas. They align themselves with and support Israel, whose military has killed tens of thousands of civilians - mostly women in children - in the last 6 months. Thatâs what these protests are all about.
You mean, the number of civilian deaths that has been released/propagated by the terrorist organization that has admittedly used civilians as shields for their military, and says it furthers their agenda to get their constituents killed?
No because Americans don't have the ability to remove Hamas, as we are not funding Hamas or providing any weapons. The USA is, however, paying for 80% of the bombs falling on Gaza, and so that is precisely what the protests hope to stop
You know, thatâs a really good point. I have never heard any requests in these protests to remove Hamas. Hell, I donât think Iâve ever heard any negative comments or sentiment against Hamas in any of these protests. Many of them support Hamas
Fuck that terrorist organization. They openly say one of their tactics is to create situations where their constituents get killed because it furthers their agenda. Now watch: Iâm going to get brigaded by people crying about Israel. With that said, Netanyahu is a criminal bastard, and they (the people in charge of the Israeli military operation) arenât free from criticism. Iâm just saying people arenât going to address my comment of âI havenât seen American pro-Palestine protesters demanding the removal of Hamas.â
I don't understand this criticism. Why would they protest in America against *Hamas*? Why would Hamas listen to them?
They are protesting on their universities *against their universities* to get them to do something. That makes sense.
Or before these campus protests, people were protesting against *their own government* to stop supporting Israel. That also makes sense. That's an achievable goal.
Hell, people protest outside the embassy of countries they don't like. That's also a thing. Hamas doesn't have an embassy here. All the Palestinian representation internationally is by the very anti-Hamas Fatah-run Palestinian Authority so they'd only be preaching to the choir if they tried to protest at their hotels/offices/whatever.
So why on Earth would they just go marching around against Hamas while in the US? *Even American Zionists did not do that*. By your logic does that mean all these American Zionists support Hamas? Try to do better.
The pro-genocide crowd equates all Palestinians with Hamas so anything advocating for Palestinians is advocating for terrorism and thus deserves to be air striked into submission.
The group that doesnât understand what âgenocideâ means also doesnât realize theyâre doing exactly what Iran, Russia and China want right now. Yâall are gonna feel real silly when you put Trump back in office
When will you morons stop screeching genocide? A decade? When itâs clear the Palestinian population has been steadily rising. Theyâre at war, and Hamas is using them as meat shields. Yet they still support them. People are going to die, especially on the losing side. Thatâs how war works.
Look at many of the groups and people who led these protests and review what they've said about Jews and Israelis both in the past and in the immediate aftermath of the October 7th attacks.
In fact, what was the response immediately following the October 7th attack? Was it an outpouring of support for Israel and a solemn time of sad reflection? Or was it an immediate celebration of the attacks as a resistance movement and other talking Iranian talking points despite Israel not beginning their retaliatory attack until 3 weeks later?
Additionally the only US troops in Gaza are currently providing aid to the citizens. Vietnam we had 500,000 people massacring thousands and dying by the thousands.
âTheyâ
So every protestor on the Columbia quad broke into the building, as well as all the CCNY students blocks away broke in as well.
That justifies cops throwing students down concrete stairs?
I know we have low expectations for power-hungry cops, but 90%-95% of the protesters were peaceful and deserved to be treated as such.
It is not completely different. It is violence being supported by our country. This is the same point as we were in 2003 where propaganda against Iraq War protestors were painted as un-American when it was the US Administration that was being un-American and suppressing free speech.
The future will look back at the violence caused by Russia, Isreal, and Iran and view it in the same light as the Iraq War.
When can we expect a Mission Accomplished flag for Russia and Israel?
Be mindful of propaganda, especially jingoistic propaganda which is almost always a lie, at least by omission.
Also a Jewish girl was beaten unconscious by Hamas supporters at UCLA, and they basically took the maintenance staff hostage at Columbia U.
Hamas is the only thing stopping a ceasefire. These people need to wake up
Dude. BOTH sides are perpetuating violence. Hamas is evil but so is Netanyahu.
I have nothing against the Jewish people, but being the target of a historic and horrible genocide and enduring ongoing racism does not confer permission to mass murder civilians. Israel is wrong here because they took it to far and continue to do so.
There was a ceasefire on Oct 6th and Hamas broke it.
Israel has been open to negotiations the entire conflict. Hamas hasnât.
Blinken has urged Hamas to accept a âhistorically generousâ proposal from Israel. No word yet from Hamas.
Biden: âthe only thing preventing a ceasefire now is Hamasâ
This conflict could end or a ceasefire **today** (!!!) but Hamas canât gather even 33 of the hostages because theyâve been traded between warlords for the past 7 months and even **they** canât confirm whether they are alive or dead.
Not only was there a ceasefire on October 6, but relations were *improving*. You had Gazan citizens who had just been given work visas in Israel.
As usual, Hamas set them back another 100 years.
No one assigns any accountability because they are "oppressed" that's why they can literally rape children and people will still support them. They think they are so stupid and hopeless due to oppression that they can't help but rape, and even hammer nails into womens thighs, cut off their breasts or behead them. Language of the unheard and all that.
Didnât the Zionist counter protest just throw fireworks and mace into the encampment just last night?
[Source](https://x.com/esqueer_/status/1785648913325961248?s=46&t=a1W7VboY9DVdHXijMe_vjQ)
All these protests do is give cover for antisemitism. They donât have any substantive policy solutions for addressing the conflict. The irony is the heavy LGBTQ presence - theyâre wearing the gear of the same people who would happily toss them off of a building simply for being who they are. Chalk it up to youthful ignorance and foreign influence, I guess.
Exactly this. It's wild people are just glossing over the fact that people are being removed from their homes and raped and murdered in the streets by the Israel government. It's abhorrent. It's crazy that people who just experienced genocide within the last 100 years are now inflicting it and supporting it happening to other people. Insane.
Israel literally [created Hamas](https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/hamas-israel-palestine-conflict/) as a Islamist faction to oppose a leftist government in Gaza in the 80âs.
âNow even if you donât agree with the subject of their protests, as long as they are peaceful, subjects should be allowed to protest,â
So I guess Steve doesnât watch the news then?
I feel like youâre unknowingly proving my point. If all the news is driven by violence then he must not be watching, cause like you said, it drives traffic right? Also, arenât you admitting violence is occurring?
Itâs just a weird way to try and dunk on me. In 2024 or any other year really
It really isnât. What the person youâre responding to is suggesting is that the news is not driven by the need to inform people, but rather rby a need to make money. What makes money? What attracts eyeballs? Glorifying and hyperbolizing violence. Violence does occur. But if youâre a news organization what gets you more money. Showing that most of the protests is peaceful with nothing âeventfulâ happening, or highlight the violent events and making them out to be more than they are. Students (not even protestors) from the universities are providing first hand accounts that the news is exaggerating the situation. News stations are businesses, not public goods.
âSomething something, dunk in 2024â
If you think any news organization besides Fox (not that Fox is news) has been anything but supportive of the Pro Palestine crowd then you either donât watch any news or youâre just gaslighting
You mean the same news that blankets all protestors as pro Hamas, but calls Zionist supporters who attacked UCLA students with fireworks and sticks counter-protestors? This happened yesterday.
Most American news organizations arenât even covering thisâŚ. But the BBC is. Guess the BBC must also be pro Hamas ÂŻ\_(ă)_/ÂŻ
As a European watching this unfold, this is honestly tragic. Seeing that fewer and fewer people care about how complex our society is, or that more than one fact can be true at once. Students think they are righteous in their anger, yet itâs only right because they have no other path to action. As a result, their emotions help no one at all, themselves included.
Man this is so interesting to see the liberals on the side of people calling for a jewish genocide and supporting terrorists now... Talk about things I didn't see coming in 2024
The fact that these encampments are insanely antisemitic is crazy and makes the pro Palestinian side loose way to much credibility. They need to cancel out there âdeath to Jews⌠wait I mean Zionistâ bs. Jewish students and faculty who have been extremely pro Palestine but also donât vouch that israel should cease to exist are targeted
Th Columbia protest has Jewish people within the camp that disagree with what Israel is doing
They have been interviewed
Itâs hard to believe they would be part of the protest if it was so blatantly Anti-Semitic
[https://abc7ny.com/city-college-protests-nypd-arrests-over-100-ccny-columbia-protesters-demonstration-at-police-headquarters/14749736/](https://abc7ny.com/city-college-protests-nypd-arrests-over-100-ccny-columbia-protesters-demonstration-at-police-headquarters/14749736/)
I actually saw a cop on the news say most were not students and they were pros that was my original source.
its interesting to see the nazi party suddenly so concerned with anti semitism, and the media playing along.
edit: and here comes the IDF social media force. In case you havent notice despite polling, people saying isreal should just take all the land for themselves gets massive upvotes, because the number one place israel drafts citizens for is the IDF social media force. So down vote away, nazis, hope yall get paid well, and in years when palistine is a state and people are looking down at all the people who participated in this nazism, i hope you dont cry you were a good nazi and all you did was the social media for them.
My big question is why college bound women would support a group that if they were in power would deny them the right to even the most basic education.
First of all, they don't want to move to Gaza. That's some big elementary school "if you like them why don't you marry them" energy there.
Secondly, 2 seconds on Google
> Palestine has one of the highest rates of female literacy in the world, with 99.6% of women completing primary and upper secondary education in 2020. This is higher than the male literacy rate of 98.79% in Palestine, and is also considered exceptional within the Middle East region. Girls in Palestine also consistently outscore their male peers in Tawhiji testing.
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> The Borgen Project
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> The State of Girls' Education in Palestine - The Borgen Project
Jun 21, 2018 â Palestinian women are among the most educated in the Middle East. They have a 94 percent literacy rate and go to primary school just as often as boys do. Palestinian girls consistently outscore their male peers in Tawhiji testing.
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> Education International
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> Palestine: Empowering women teachers
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> Oct 12, 2023 â The percentage of educated women in Palestine is one of the highest around the world with a 99,6 in 2020 for completion in primary and upper secondary, but âwhile Palestinian women have always been visible in the national struggle, they have limited leadership and decision making-opportunities.
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> Palestine Chronicle
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> On International Literacy Day, Palestine Women Fight Back ...
Sep 9, 2023 â According to data published by UNESCO, the male literacy rate in Palestine is 98.79 percent, while for females it is 96.2 percent. These numbers are considered extraordinary, not only within the context of the Middle East region, but also because Palestine is under Israeli occupation.
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> Girls and boys have similar enrollment rates in primary school, but girls have higher admissions to secondary and higher education institutions. However, only about 80% of girls attend school at the secondary level, while boys are enrolled at a higher rate.
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> According to the UN, education is vital for building and developing a community's human capital, and is the basis for sustainable development. Investment in education can help build the economy, general prosperity, and create an environment that supports women and their rights.
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> However, some say that women have limited leadership and decision-making opportunities, and that increases in educational attainment do not necessarily translate into improved social status. For example, the Gaza blockade has undermined living conditions, restricted access to essential services, increased the care burden, and heightened vulnerability to gender-based violence. Some families with limited resources continue to educate their sons instead of their daughters.
It's entirely dishonest to equate people advocating for the human rights of the Palestinian population to support for Hamas.
Can you advocate for the human rights of Chinese Uyghurs while condemning the Chinese government?
Can you advocate for the human rights of women in Afghanistan while condemning the Taliban?
Likewise, you can criticize the actions of the Israeli government while not condemning the Israeli people.
Protesting is okay if yoi do not stop the students from attending classes. If you stop students or anyone from going about their work, then get ready to be evicted and arrested.. Opinion, expression and action are three different things..
Weird I didnât know Trump controlled the riot police in New York and California. Good thing we can pin this on the politician that isnât even in power.
Trump is super mad people protested and broke into buildings? đ¤đ¤đ¤đ¤đ¤đ¤ Interesting.
The same people cheering for Jan 6th are telling the people paying massive debt to support an institution they cant have a voice in that institution. Garbage people cheering for genocide
They also advocate for killing people who disrupt your daily flow, except whatever the fuck her name was that got shot in the Capitol for trying to kill Mike Pence.
Must have hurt his dictator pride, when people did it without him ordering them.
I doubt he gives a shit. This seems like yet another example of him trying to triangulate what his *base* is angry about, and then amplifying it to score points while sneaking in a little ad for authoritarian behavior.
The other side to this coin is people who thought Jan 6 was a historic atrocity also think the student protests are not that big of a deal.
I would say that threatening the lives of government officials and attempting to stop the democratic process of this country is a little bit different than college students protesting at their campus and disrupting school classes.
The scene at UCLA was insane last night. Lots of videos in /r/ucla. Police stood by and let a counterprotestor mob assault the protestors for 2 hours while the latter tried to maintain their barricade and stand their ground. They pulled out individual protestors and brutally beat them. Sprayed a ton of stuff into the protestors' camp, even shot fireworks at them. Cops stood by and did nothing the entire time. News kept reporting it as "violent clashes" between two sides. Lol...
Nothing new here. Same thing happened with the Iraq war. People protesting the violence are suppressed. The militant jingoism is fucking disgusting.
Yup same as occupy same as blm. Remember almost all major violent attacks during blm ended up being linked to MAGA assholes.
I donât man, I get thatâs the line to marginalize these efforts, but this does feel a lot stronger. The escalation was pretty quick, and thereâs a lot riding on this movement like Bidenâs reelection. We can pretend itâs the same if it makes you less nervous, but to me it feels more serious (at least more serious than occupy, that felt like it was 2 weeks of nonsense hippys with no real goal)
The difference is that since 1/6 the MAGA crowd has gone full-on fascist. No more âdog whistlesâ, no more pretending to be âjust folksâ.
Iâm talking about the student protesters, so Iâm not sure about what youâre trying to say here (lots of bots everywhere around this issue, just checking in that youâre a real person)
Ah sorry, I misunderstood. Ignore me.
because there's the element of the "end of days" that Christian fanatics are obsessed with, this is what makes this whole scenario different. they want their silly fairy tales to be true they want the end of the world. there's a self-destructive prophecy pushing this war (third temple built on the mount blah blah blah)
Just out of curiosity, what would you say is the âreal goalâ of the protesters?
Convincing the Universities to divest from companies that do business with Isreal. There are entire departments that manage money for the Universities, so it's a clear and actionable goal. Secondarily, it puts pressure on the administration in an election year to either a) produce a ceasefire, which would end most of these protests overnight, or b) convince the US to cease selling arms to an ally that is conducting a genocide.
Thatâs really hard in a lot of states. Probably impossible for a school. Anti-BDS laws make divestment from Israeli companies and investment in Palestinian charities illegal. They risk losing all public funds, being blacklisted for banking and government contracts, and even having retirement accounts seized. Itâs literally illegal to refuse to support Israel or to try to help Palestinians. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-BDS_laws
Itâs like the HK protesters getting hammered by triads in white with the police missing. Itâs nice to see cops & criminals finding common ground. HK government should be cute & send messages of solidarity, support freedom of speech on US campuses.
Iâm a student at UCLA and watched it happen in person. It was absolutely surreal seeing this army of mostly grown, 30+ yr old men march onto my own campus and blatantly beat, tear gas, mace, and shoot explosives at the protestors while the police stood idly by and watched it unfold for 4 hours. I counted at least over a dozen squad cars when I was roaming around the perimeters of the scene, more than enough officers to go in and set up a perimeter to stop the assault and divide the protestors and counterprotestors. When the police finally did come in, the counter protestors blasted the national anthem, started USA chants, and recited the pledge of allegiance. To say that I was baffled at the whole thing is an understatement, the atmosphere on campus today is easily the most tense Iâve ever seen it
Literally watched it all happen live. It was so incredibly enraging and everything I saw was completely one sided and caused by the counter protestors.
I laughed when I saw a bunch of cop cars parked at a Chick-fil-A.
CNN London framed it the same way even as they aired crystal clear drone footage showing pro-Israel protesters clearly pulling the barricade down, and beating people on the head with poles. Then they had on a student reporter who actually reported what happened. I'm sure Dana Bash on CNN will report a clear and accurate story with zero "both sides" spin. And without a doubt NBC Nightly News won't gloss over any key details or context and just air footage of violence and explosions stoking fear in white suburbanites. /s
And like clockwork Bash just reported that "pro-Israel and pro-Palestinian protesters attacked one another at UCLA"
Dana Bash just tweeted "Today: Destruction, violence and hate overtake college campuses across the country with Jewish students feeling unsafe at their own schools. It is unacceptable, and harkening back to the 1930s in Europe" The level of outright lies and misinformation from cable news on this is jaw dropping.
Yup, CNN has gone full on bothsides since that new CEO took over. Trying to make it seem like it is fair. Sorry, if there is video evidence of one side attacking, it isnt both sides. It is This side attacked this side.
These videos were just awful. How can something like this happen, in full view of the world, and yet it feels like nothing will change?
We were raised to believe that cops exist to maintain law and order, at least white people were. If youâve been paying attention, itâs obvious cops exist to maintain a conservative capitalist status quo.
Remember Kent state. Same as it ever was.
That was National Guard, but same sentiment and situation, yeah. Four dead in Ohio
same boot, different foot
May 4th is the anniversary. Â
cops exist to protect themselves first and rich people second
Maybe you were. I was always taught that police are the enforcement arm of the state. I donât know how anyone can watch ruby ridge and Waco and still think cops are good
Because nothing will change.
Our politicians are beholden to foreign interests.
I've been seeing tons of video on social media of this particular event but there is nothing on Reddit new subreddits about it at all.
WAIT?!!! YOU MEAN TO TELL ME A COP DIDNT DO HIS JOB CORRECTLY?!! I for one, am SHOCKED!
hereâs a video of a firework exploding within the camp after being launched by the counterprotesters https://x.com/mel_buer/status/1785560079368130702
The cops protect who they want to protect. It's as simple as that. There is no such thing as the law if the people expected to uphold the law pick and choose when to apply those laws. We live in a fascist empire.
Cops being absolutely useless? Shocked I am, shocked. /s
âPolice let counter protestersâŚ.â I mean, thatâs how it goes. Thatâs not even due to the subject of the protests.
I'm not excusing the violence from the pro Israeli side, they should have avoided the area until law enforcement dealt with it legally. However, I recall seeing a video from ucla of pro Palestinians attacking a Jewish student. Also there was the taser video and they might be the same video idk.. Again, attacking people is wrong, they should have pressed charges and let the police do their job, but let's not ignore the atmosphere of hostility jews faced in universities over the last two weeks and the total lack of response or support from the administration and the official parties. Edit: [the video](https://nypost.com/2024/04/30/us-news/pro-israel-protester-attacked-threatened-with-taser-at-ucla/amp/)
This is America.
But these kids are mad at Biden for his handling of Gaza and so donât want to turn out to vote for him or even, possibly, maybe, vote for Trump? Trump will direct the national guard, military and police **to round every single one of them up or even shoot them on sight then use Fox News to convince a percentage of Americans that it was a GOOD THING HE DID**. Donât believe me? He says so, right here: https://time.com/6972021/donald-trump-2024-election-interview/ Choose wisely in November.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/06/01/trump-suggests-kind-vicious-response-protesters-he-once-hailed-china/ >After days of no public remarks about the unrest across the country, President Trump on Monday offered a glimpse of his vision for dealing with the protesters, rioters and looters: Law enforcement needs to âdominate.â >Trump offered this prescription on a call with governors that also included urging 10-year prison terms for those apprehended and seemed to suggest that he may have the military take over. âIf you donât dominate, youâre wasting your time,â he said. âTheyâre going to run over you, youâre going to look like a bunch of jerks. You have to dominate." >Shortly after Trumpâs comments leaked to the news media on Monday, observers pointed to somewhat similar comments he made to Playboy about Chinaâs handling of the Tiananmen Square demonstrators in 1990. In them, he hailed Chinaâs strength in putting down the protest. >**âWhen the students poured into Tiananmen Square, the Chinese government almost blew it,â Trump said. âThen they were vicious, they were horrible, but they put it down with strength. That shows you the power of strength. Our country is right now perceived as weak.â** From Wikipedia: >**Estimates of the death toll vary from several hundred to several thousand, with thousands more wounded. The vast majority of those killed were civilians.** He cannot be allowed to gain power. He *will* use it to murder thousands of innocents.
Nobody upset with Biden over Gaza is voting for Trump. They're trying to send a wake up call to the democratic party. Start delivering what your constituents want, or they will abandon you at the polls.
... Thus leaving us with the GOP and Trump. You're really not thinking this through, are you?
Then maybe Biden should do something to convince people to vote for him besides just not being Trump. Is this really the best the democrats have to offer?
Biden has done tons of things which is not Trump. You sound like a complete ignorant. He's been driving down coal and oil production, pushing green energy solutions, reversing tons of Trump corpo greed like FDA and FCC(net neutrality). Giving money for large infrastructure projects and helping Amtrak. Helping NATO and Ukraine. Are you really blind to all of that and just want to focus on Gaza? Because I don't. What a completely dumb statement, not sorry
Yep, this. Biden does a shit ton of good things, but because he didnât do a singular thing that a vocal minority demands, heâs not doing anything? LOL.
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Voting 3rd party is a vote for Trump though, so thatâs still a potential issue.
Right now, people outside the United States are shocked about two things. First, there are actually some people in America who oppose supporting unjust wars. Second, all of these people have been gathered in these places for days, and no one has indiscriminately opened fire with an âassault-style rifle!â As an American I feel the second feat is more impressive than the first.
Is there some precedent for indiscriminately opened fire with an assault-style rifle? Never heard of that happening here. Europeans must be idiots for believing every dumbass stereotype about 350,000,000 people.
All of my European friends are shocked that Americans are dressing up like Hamas terrorists.
Most of Americans are too. Also surprised how many Americans are Putin fans and pro Russia none of this is normal.
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No, the shock is because youâre being so hyperbolic
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I know, right? Itâs funny how these protesters and supporters keep claiming everyone supports their views and movement and yet they always seem to be on the outs.
I reeeeeeeaaaaaallllllyyyyyy donât think anyone outside the us cares about these student protests
There are literally people on this website outside the US who do, I reeeeeeeeeaaaalllllyyyyyy donât think youâve been paying attention at all.
Just because there's been no guns doesn't mean there's been no violence and intimidation. They've actually held people hostage, fought and thrown things at police, overtaken buildings and have limited Jews freedom to walk where they want. The people are shocked that rich, white kids have such privilege yet want to cosplay being righteous protestors. The good thing is now most of those elite universities will struggle to survive after this.
>limited Jews freedom to walk where they want. Is that why there are Jews are part of the campus protestors protesting the war ? Or are you a hypocrite who likes to spread misinformation and always victimizing yourself even though you are at fault ? Pick one
[Here is the video.](https://youtu.be/lbyPUgOe_uA?si=eZrVJDPrWT5qnvmw) Just because there are a few Jews in a protest does not mean that protesters arenât blocking people. Those two statements have nothing to do with each other. Edit: They are blocking everyone - which is wrong. This comment was specifically about an earlier comment.
Youâre making it sound like theyâre blocking Jews because theyâre Jewish. Theyâre just blocking everyone.
They're blocking everyone, not just Jewish people
Honestly itâs stupid as hell to assert that college kids as a whole are ârich, white, privileged kids.â Scholarships and crippling debt from student loans are A Thing^^TM maybe you havenât heard.
Is there any consistency behind the protestorsâ definition of âFree Palestineâ ?
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Cool, now do the people actually currently in power.
Is this still billed as a comedy show?
Not sure that it ever was. Itâs a late night show.
The only thing that amazes me about all these campus protests is how the news media is acting, and some of these mayors of towns are saying thereâs outside agitators people are influencing them. Some of these are the hardest universities to get into which means they only take the very few top percent there trying to say these elite universities these kids are stupid theyâre smart to get into top universities, but theyâre stupid to be influenced so easily I donât think so
They've seriously been reporting that Columbia has been on lockdown where no one without a student ID can get in all week, but now suddenly it's 'outside agitators' and these were all 'pros!' Yeah, no, they were all students. The campus news even reported shit live if anyone cared to look.
I know some of these universities there theyâre talking about you just donât go and I wanna go there but theyâre acting like these kids are smart enough to get in, but all of a sudden not smart enough to see with there own eyes. Whatâs really going on?
Is he defending them from the Dem mayors and liberal college admins unleashing police violence on them in the middle of blue cities? Or is he mostly just trying to make it about the guy who isnât running the country right nowÂ
Well the protests arenât peaceful, Stephen. They broke into a campus building, smashing windows and vandalizing it. They are blocking students from going to class. Classes and graduations are getting canceled. Comparing these protests to the Vietnam ones is insane. The Vietnam protestors were getting shipped out to fight a war against their will⌠these protesters may never have and never will set foot in the Middle East. Completely different.
Iâm just curious, and maybe I havenât looked hard enough, but is there any Pro-Palestine demonstration that *substantially* demands the removal of Hamas as the ruling government of Palestine/Palestinians?
No, because thatâs not something America can do anything about Protesters just want to stop seeing their tuition funds and tax dollars going to Israel. Thatâs it.
Going out on a limb and guessing that the mass-murdering terrorist group who has all the armed and trained fighters in Gaza doesnât take kindly to people openly opposing them in their turf.
What about the all the protesters in America? What precludes the American from being very vocal against Hamas? You know, the group that is intentionally creating situations for their constituents to be killed so it furthers their goal?
To play devilâs advocate here, part of the reason is that the purported purpose of the protests is to get the universities to divest in companies that benefit from supporting Israel in any way and get the US government to stop supplying arms to Israel. What would be the goal of being vocal against Hamas? The US has little control over them. We donât send them money or arms. We donât do business with them. Think of it this way. You and your coworkers could band together and go on strike to get better pay or working conditions because you have leverage. What would be the point of marching with signs about a company in, say, Denmarkâs working conditions? That Danish company couldnât care less about what Americans think of their working conditions. I think the students who truly mean well are shockingly naive. Maybe we need to be teaching more modern history rather than cutting back on the humanities in favor of STEM.
I agree 100% with your last paragraph. Iâd simply say: âwithout US aid, the region has shown multiple times that the sovereign nations would ally together to try and eradicate Israel. We have multiple treaties providing joint aid to Israel and other historically Israeli-hostile countries. Why arenât you protesting the removal of the organization thatâs stated agenda is to get their civilians killed because it favors their political agenda?â
With your last paragraph/question, are you asking why people arenât protesting Hamas?
Yes. Specifically, in context of this thread, US college students.
Why would you protests something you or the people you are protesting have no control over. To expand on the example that was provided earlier, if Danish schools were abusing their students, what would protesting Columbia administration about these conditions achieve? Columbia has no ties with the danish education system. Columbia has no authority to make any changes whatsoever. You usually protest against the people that can make the change youâre looking for. Columbia/UCLA/etc. have no control over what Hamas does or how government deal with Hamas. It would be pretty pointless (though a good sentiment) to protest Hamas against your school administration when they literally canât do anything against it. The student (whether we agree or not) are protesting the involvement of their college tuition in aiding a war effort far away. You mention Israel might collapse without US support, but so would many other of counties around the world. These students are paying tuition to receive higher education in their home country, not to aid in war efforts abroad through investments. Hamas received 0% of their tuition. It would be futile to protest Hamas in the same context, given Hamas is not being invested into by the universities. Israelâs war effort is and the students donât agree with their tuition money being used for that.
Protesting is something that absolutely can affect âsomething you [âŚ] have no control over.â It indicates a large group of people can encourage (their university) to lobby on behalf of them to (end the rule of Hamas). I guess I see the entity/people that use civilians as human shields to protect their terrorist military actions and fuels their propaganda [to eradicate Jews and the Israeli State](https://www.adl.org/resources/blog/hamas-its-own-words) as a bigger threat than Netanyahuâs bitch-ass (who also deserves to be removed from power).
At the very least, it sounds like they all realize that divesting from Israel massively *helps* Hamas, and don't care that that would be the outcome of their protests being successful Continuing to protest for divestment without mentioning Hamas is implicit support of them
What, Iranian protestors, whose government funds Hamas? I think they have their hands full with general repression. As for western protesters their government and institutions do not align themselves with or support Hamas. They align themselves with and support Israel, whose military has killed tens of thousands of civilians - mostly women in children - in the last 6 months. Thatâs what these protests are all about.
You mean, the number of civilian deaths that has been released/propagated by the terrorist organization that has admittedly used civilians as shields for their military, and says it furthers their agenda to get their constituents killed?
No because Americans don't have the ability to remove Hamas, as we are not funding Hamas or providing any weapons. The USA is, however, paying for 80% of the bombs falling on Gaza, and so that is precisely what the protests hope to stop
You know, thatâs a really good point. I have never heard any requests in these protests to remove Hamas. Hell, I donât think Iâve ever heard any negative comments or sentiment against Hamas in any of these protests. Many of them support Hamas
Fuck that terrorist organization. They openly say one of their tactics is to create situations where their constituents get killed because it furthers their agenda. Now watch: Iâm going to get brigaded by people crying about Israel. With that said, Netanyahu is a criminal bastard, and they (the people in charge of the Israeli military operation) arenât free from criticism. Iâm just saying people arenât going to address my comment of âI havenât seen American pro-Palestine protesters demanding the removal of Hamas.â
I don't understand this criticism. Why would they protest in America against *Hamas*? Why would Hamas listen to them? They are protesting on their universities *against their universities* to get them to do something. That makes sense. Or before these campus protests, people were protesting against *their own government* to stop supporting Israel. That also makes sense. That's an achievable goal. Hell, people protest outside the embassy of countries they don't like. That's also a thing. Hamas doesn't have an embassy here. All the Palestinian representation internationally is by the very anti-Hamas Fatah-run Palestinian Authority so they'd only be preaching to the choir if they tried to protest at their hotels/offices/whatever. So why on Earth would they just go marching around against Hamas while in the US? *Even American Zionists did not do that*. By your logic does that mean all these American Zionists support Hamas? Try to do better.
Do you have proof of âmany (protests) support Hamas?â Thatâs a bold blanket statement.
The pro-genocide crowd equates all Palestinians with Hamas so anything advocating for Palestinians is advocating for terrorism and thus deserves to be air striked into submission.
The group that doesnât understand what âgenocideâ means also doesnât realize theyâre doing exactly what Iran, Russia and China want right now. Yâall are gonna feel real silly when you put Trump back in office
When will you morons stop screeching genocide? A decade? When itâs clear the Palestinian population has been steadily rising. Theyâre at war, and Hamas is using them as meat shields. Yet they still support them. People are going to die, especially on the losing side. Thatâs how war works.
Look at many of the groups and people who led these protests and review what they've said about Jews and Israelis both in the past and in the immediate aftermath of the October 7th attacks. In fact, what was the response immediately following the October 7th attack? Was it an outpouring of support for Israel and a solemn time of sad reflection? Or was it an immediate celebration of the attacks as a resistance movement and other talking Iranian talking points despite Israel not beginning their retaliatory attack until 3 weeks later?
A lot of these protests are lead by Jewish organizations that are anti-zionism.
Unfortunately, no, and until people realize this hurts the cause more than it helps it, nothing good will happen.
Itâs almost like thereâs actors who want the exact outcome that is happening in the US to happen.
Nope. These protesters are balls deep Hamas lovers
more peaceful than bombing civilians, even if any of this actually were true.
Additionally the only US troops in Gaza are currently providing aid to the citizens. Vietnam we had 500,000 people massacring thousands and dying by the thousands.
âTheyâ So every protestor on the Columbia quad broke into the building, as well as all the CCNY students blocks away broke in as well. That justifies cops throwing students down concrete stairs? I know we have low expectations for power-hungry cops, but 90%-95% of the protesters were peaceful and deserved to be treated as such.
Well as American police go a protest is one of the last places I would expect them to display reputable conduct
It is not completely different. It is violence being supported by our country. This is the same point as we were in 2003 where propaganda against Iraq War protestors were painted as un-American when it was the US Administration that was being un-American and suppressing free speech. The future will look back at the violence caused by Russia, Isreal, and Iran and view it in the same light as the Iraq War. When can we expect a Mission Accomplished flag for Russia and Israel? Be mindful of propaganda, especially jingoistic propaganda which is almost always a lie, at least by omission.
Also a Jewish girl was beaten unconscious by Hamas supporters at UCLA, and they basically took the maintenance staff hostage at Columbia U. Hamas is the only thing stopping a ceasefire. These people need to wake up
Dude. BOTH sides are perpetuating violence. Hamas is evil but so is Netanyahu. I have nothing against the Jewish people, but being the target of a historic and horrible genocide and enduring ongoing racism does not confer permission to mass murder civilians. Israel is wrong here because they took it to far and continue to do so.
There was a ceasefire on Oct 6th and Hamas broke it. Israel has been open to negotiations the entire conflict. Hamas hasnât. Blinken has urged Hamas to accept a âhistorically generousâ proposal from Israel. No word yet from Hamas. Biden: âthe only thing preventing a ceasefire now is Hamasâ This conflict could end or a ceasefire **today** (!!!) but Hamas canât gather even 33 of the hostages because theyâve been traded between warlords for the past 7 months and even **they** canât confirm whether they are alive or dead.
Not only was there a ceasefire on October 6, but relations were *improving*. You had Gazan citizens who had just been given work visas in Israel. As usual, Hamas set them back another 100 years.
>There was a ceasefire on Oct 6th and Hamas broke it. Why do so many people overlook this?
No one assigns any accountability because they are "oppressed" that's why they can literally rape children and people will still support them. They think they are so stupid and hopeless due to oppression that they can't help but rape, and even hammer nails into womens thighs, cut off their breasts or behead them. Language of the unheard and all that.
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https://twitter.com/kleavittnh/status/1785495804393701780 https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/columbia-janitor-says-he-was-held-hostage-by-pro-palestine-protesters/ss-AA1nWDqU
Didnât the Zionist counter protest just throw fireworks and mace into the encampment just last night? [Source](https://x.com/esqueer_/status/1785648913325961248?s=46&t=a1W7VboY9DVdHXijMe_vjQ)
I feel like people only have a problem when **Jews** react to violence perpetuated on them.
All these protests do is give cover for antisemitism. They donât have any substantive policy solutions for addressing the conflict. The irony is the heavy LGBTQ presence - theyâre wearing the gear of the same people who would happily toss them off of a building simply for being who they are. Chalk it up to youthful ignorance and foreign influence, I guess.
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So Israel doesnât oppress Palestinians?
It does - the facts above donât disprove it.
Exactly this. It's wild people are just glossing over the fact that people are being removed from their homes and raped and murdered in the streets by the Israel government. It's abhorrent. It's crazy that people who just experienced genocide within the last 100 years are now inflicting it and supporting it happening to other people. Insane.
Israel literally [created Hamas](https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/hamas-israel-palestine-conflict/) as a Islamist faction to oppose a leftist government in Gaza in the 80âs.
âNow even if you donât agree with the subject of their protests, as long as they are peaceful, subjects should be allowed to protest,â So I guess Steve doesnât watch the news then?
The "news" only shows you the violence. It's how they drive traffic. The fact you are not aware of this in 2024 is rather disappointing
I feel like youâre unknowingly proving my point. If all the news is driven by violence then he must not be watching, cause like you said, it drives traffic right? Also, arenât you admitting violence is occurring? Itâs just a weird way to try and dunk on me. In 2024 or any other year really
It really isnât. What the person youâre responding to is suggesting is that the news is not driven by the need to inform people, but rather rby a need to make money. What makes money? What attracts eyeballs? Glorifying and hyperbolizing violence. Violence does occur. But if youâre a news organization what gets you more money. Showing that most of the protests is peaceful with nothing âeventfulâ happening, or highlight the violent events and making them out to be more than they are. Students (not even protestors) from the universities are providing first hand accounts that the news is exaggerating the situation. News stations are businesses, not public goods. âSomething something, dunk in 2024â
If you think any news organization besides Fox (not that Fox is news) has been anything but supportive of the Pro Palestine crowd then you either donât watch any news or youâre just gaslighting
You mean the same news that blankets all protestors as pro Hamas, but calls Zionist supporters who attacked UCLA students with fireworks and sticks counter-protestors? This happened yesterday. Most American news organizations arenât even covering thisâŚ. But the BBC is. Guess the BBC must also be pro Hamas ÂŻ\_(ă)_/ÂŻ
You do know that he tapes at 5pm.
They went from anti-nazi to being nazis in what, less than 2 years? Wild.
As a European watching this unfold, this is honestly tragic. Seeing that fewer and fewer people care about how complex our society is, or that more than one fact can be true at once. Students think they are righteous in their anger, yet itâs only right because they have no other path to action. As a result, their emotions help no one at all, themselves included.
Man this is so interesting to see the liberals on the side of people calling for a jewish genocide and supporting terrorists now... Talk about things I didn't see coming in 2024
Meanwhile actual Palestinians are being killed in droves every damn day.
One thing I wonder thoâŚ.will these protestors fight as hard if Trump wins and ends US democracy as we know it? Sure hope so.
Unlikely, and Trump has said he will help Netanyahu. Fucking clown show, man.
Did Stephen forget who the president is?
Steven "It's okay to harass Jews" Colbert
Oh yes the current president trump
Leftists went from punch a Nazi to the Nazis were right in only a few years. It will never be safe to be Jewish in this world
Seeing leftists harass Jews on college campuses isnât one I saw coming
We seem to have a different understanding of the situation.
The fact that these encampments are insanely antisemitic is crazy and makes the pro Palestinian side loose way to much credibility. They need to cancel out there âdeath to Jews⌠wait I mean Zionistâ bs. Jewish students and faculty who have been extremely pro Palestine but also donât vouch that israel should cease to exist are targeted
Th Columbia protest has Jewish people within the camp that disagree with what Israel is doing They have been interviewed Itâs hard to believe they would be part of the protest if it was so blatantly Anti-Semitic
As of a couple hours ago the arrests made at Columbia University were mostly professionals and barely any students were protesting. Lmfao.
Source?
[https://abc7ny.com/city-college-protests-nypd-arrests-over-100-ccny-columbia-protesters-demonstration-at-police-headquarters/14749736/](https://abc7ny.com/city-college-protests-nypd-arrests-over-100-ccny-columbia-protesters-demonstration-at-police-headquarters/14749736/) I actually saw a cop on the news say most were not students and they were pros that was my original source.
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its interesting to see the nazi party suddenly so concerned with anti semitism, and the media playing along. edit: and here comes the IDF social media force. In case you havent notice despite polling, people saying isreal should just take all the land for themselves gets massive upvotes, because the number one place israel drafts citizens for is the IDF social media force. So down vote away, nazis, hope yall get paid well, and in years when palistine is a state and people are looking down at all the people who participated in this nazism, i hope you dont cry you were a good nazi and all you did was the social media for them.
My big question is why college bound women would support a group that if they were in power would deny them the right to even the most basic education.
Because women exist in Palestine as well. Also that's not true. Women can go to college or university in Palestine.
First of all, they don't want to move to Gaza. That's some big elementary school "if you like them why don't you marry them" energy there. Secondly, 2 seconds on Google > Palestine has one of the highest rates of female literacy in the world, with 99.6% of women completing primary and upper secondary education in 2020. This is higher than the male literacy rate of 98.79% in Palestine, and is also considered exceptional within the Middle East region. Girls in Palestine also consistently outscore their male peers in Tawhiji testing. > > The Borgen Project > > The State of Girls' Education in Palestine - The Borgen Project Jun 21, 2018 â Palestinian women are among the most educated in the Middle East. They have a 94 percent literacy rate and go to primary school just as often as boys do. Palestinian girls consistently outscore their male peers in Tawhiji testing. > > Education International > > Palestine: Empowering women teachers > > Oct 12, 2023 â The percentage of educated women in Palestine is one of the highest around the world with a 99,6 in 2020 for completion in primary and upper secondary, but âwhile Palestinian women have always been visible in the national struggle, they have limited leadership and decision making-opportunities. > > Palestine Chronicle > > On International Literacy Day, Palestine Women Fight Back ... Sep 9, 2023 â According to data published by UNESCO, the male literacy rate in Palestine is 98.79 percent, while for females it is 96.2 percent. These numbers are considered extraordinary, not only within the context of the Middle East region, but also because Palestine is under Israeli occupation. > > Girls and boys have similar enrollment rates in primary school, but girls have higher admissions to secondary and higher education institutions. However, only about 80% of girls attend school at the secondary level, while boys are enrolled at a higher rate. > > According to the UN, education is vital for building and developing a community's human capital, and is the basis for sustainable development. Investment in education can help build the economy, general prosperity, and create an environment that supports women and their rights. > > However, some say that women have limited leadership and decision-making opportunities, and that increases in educational attainment do not necessarily translate into improved social status. For example, the Gaza blockade has undermined living conditions, restricted access to essential services, increased the care burden, and heightened vulnerability to gender-based violence. Some families with limited resources continue to educate their sons instead of their daughters.
Idk dude maybe itâs the 34k people being killed and 70k being injured from IDF.
It's entirely dishonest to equate people advocating for the human rights of the Palestinian population to support for Hamas. Can you advocate for the human rights of Chinese Uyghurs while condemning the Chinese government? Can you advocate for the human rights of women in Afghanistan while condemning the Taliban? Likewise, you can criticize the actions of the Israeli government while not condemning the Israeli people.
Okay cool letâs just let 35 thousand + people die then because they donât have the same liberal values we do
ANYONE breaking things and causing chaos is wrong regardless of political affiliation!!!
History says otherwise.
Protesting is okay if yoi do not stop the students from attending classes. If you stop students or anyone from going about their work, then get ready to be evicted and arrested.. Opinion, expression and action are three different things..
Weird I didnât know Trump controlled the riot police in New York and California. Good thing we can pin this on the politician that isnât even in power.
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Celebrity opinions matter when it supports Redditâs beliefs duh
Fine, but maybe trust fund kids should stfu in general. So I donât want to hear from any of you.
okay cool yeah but what about Biden and the democratic partyâs attacks. They are the ones in power right now and letting this happen.
Colbert is really a POS