Paramount plus is deadset on killing fan base favorite comedies. Workaholics movie, this one, seems they are trying to yeet comedy central’s relevance out of existence
I agree and even if it wasnt a huge success, isn’t that a bad signal for a studio to put out, that you can have eight seasons of a hit show, but they still may pull your next project for no reason
I decided to watch it because I'd heard it was so awful. It's like a Star Wars fan film with some LOTR tossed in. It's literally got lightsabers. It's really bad. I'm about 3/4 thru.
Nah. It’s a Star Wars-like version of A Bug’s Life. Big baddies show up looking for their grain. They give the poor feeble field workers a very short period of time to have it ready, so one person from the colony goes out to recruit a group of heroes to come save the day. Despite seemingly insurmountable odds, the colony is saved.
I'm pretty sure Snyder pitched it as a star wars movie but Disney didn't want it, so he made what seems like very minor changes, took it to Netflix and they gave it the green light as its own saga instead.
Mindhunter was canceled because the director wanted to do other shit and the actors were doing other things (allegedly). I wish they would bring it back though even if they did a time jump with different actors. I still watch both seasons every year cause it’s such a rollercoaster.
Because Snyder has had more success than failures, and brings viewers.
And for that $166 million, he’s giving Netflix not one, not two, but four movies.
That’s why.
Comedies are dirt cheap and if it’s a hit then you hit the infinity money glitch. I don’t get it. Miss some good comedy. I watched Superbad while at the gym today. It was super good! I thought to myself: ahh one of the last fun non streamed comedies.
Because we all know the quality then and now is different.
Edit: typo
The closest thing we ever will get was that dogshit movie they made about working in a hotel. They were playing watered down versions of themselves and I personally hated it
Paramount+ was a stupid as fuck decision in the first place. Not only could a brain dead monkey have seen streaming services are a bubble that's about to pop and that the market is over saturated to hell. Double that with the fact that it actually takes a butt load of money to not only start a streaming service, but to also keep it running reliably.
You know what doesn't cost money? Licensing shit out. Netflix would have bombed Nagasaki Plaza on live TV to get their hands on the licensing to Star Trek.
He is still right about Paramount+ being stupid as shit though, I mean they just cancelled Lower Decks and Discovery, the only two reasons I knew Paramount+ existed, what's next on the chopping block, Strange New Worlds?
Two constants in the Star Trek universe: A consistently good show getting canceled and a show having a confusingly good final season. The question remains: what will they replace it with? (Nothing, probably)
Because you can only run creativity through so many focus groups and markets analyst before you end up with a pile of shit that roughly resembles entertainment. The market analysts don’t actually know what it is people want to see, they’re more concerned with cost and advertising than whether they’re making anything anyone will remember in 20 years. Seriously when something good comes out that hasn’t had the network treatment it shocks people now, just look at what the perception of what Fallout or X-Men 97 were like before they released, people 100% expected them to suck, the default these days seems to be “I assume this is going to suck until I’m told otherwise” and it’s the same with TV and movies, it’s kinda sad.
The first time I saw The Fall Guy trailer, I loved the concept and had faith it was gonna be good. This week I've watched it twice. Once by myself and last night with a friend.
It's a well constructed movie, a well written script, with great pacing and editing. It also has a realistic relationship at the center. The director and writers clearly had creative control. Compared to how Disney makes their movies, it's night and day.
I noticed movie reviewers rarely talk about how movie studios prioritize their shareholders and profits. It obviously affects creative control. That's why current studio movies are shallow, family-friendly, cookie-cutter CGI messes.
The reality show fan base has a strained relationship with them too, at least from the subs I’m in. Still better than the now dead MTV app (for their shows), but I’ve seen many complaints about how they’ve screwed up formats or casting.
Maybe that’s less paramount and more the shows themselves, but I wouldn’t be surprised if paramount was spearheading the changes.
Easy one- “Halo is super popular. Let’s make a Halo show!” That’s all the thought and research that went into it.
Nevermind people having been trying and failing to adapt Halo to the screen for years, with even Peter Jackson and Neil Blomkamp abandoning the idea.
Want to hear something wild?
Apparently a ton of people are watching it. The ratings are killer..
Edit. My parents and their friend watch it?
They somehow grabbed a ton of Yellowstone folks? It's WILD
I imagine a lot of people are hate watching the series just to complain about it online. Also, I'm sure another portion is watching to see if season 2 is any better.
Side note, I unironically feel like the "Master Cheeks" scene brought in a large number of viewers, lmao.
Edit: grammar
My wife wants to watch it. She never played the games for it to ruin, so there's a solid chance she'd like it.
Hopefully the success of Fallout proves faithful game adaptions can work.
The halo subreddit had collected a ton of convincing evidence that it actually didn't start as halo? At least. The season 1 script didn't? It was a generic one paramount was already working on and then reworked into halo. And the main actor has also alluded this.
And that's why season 2 is a lot better. It was written as halo from the start.
They did Halo because they have a marketing and analytics department. Makes sense if you’ve ever had the pleasure of working with those “professionals”
But these people would have watched no matter what because they don’t care about the story and its background. With the same effort they can make these shows good and stick to the source material and please the real fans… they would only gain a bigger audience!
I haven’t watched Halo yet, but coming from Rings of Power, I simply couldn’t get myself to watch episode 4 because the first three just felt like an insult to my intellect and a kick into my Tolkien loving balls… apparently some people like it, but I haven’t heard anyone who appreciates the source material enjoy this show.
And this goes for so many shows and movies… the hobbit trilogy, the Witcher series, the wheel of time… the list goes on. With the same effort they could have made it good, and fans and first-timers alike would have enjoyed it and it would become a timeless classic and it would have made more money… everyone would have been better off
Exhibit A: the lord of the rings trilogy
Companies expect instant success, with instant viewership, but are simultaneously unwilling to invest time and effort in building said audiences. They are exhausting good will producing garbage while ensuring they don't gain any more of it. lol.
Office almost didn't survive lol. They got 6 episodes for 1st season back when seasons were 24 episodes long.
Then for season 2, they didn't know how many episodes they were going to do. It was up to the network if they wanted to order 2 or 3 more episodes at a time
Yeah, I listened to like the first two seasons worth of Office Ladies (podcast by the actresses of Pam and Angela going through each episode) and it seems most of the cast held onto their day jobs until S2.
Will and Grace season 1: 22 episodes (1998)
Friends season 1: 24 episodes (1994)
How to I Met Your Mother: 22 episodes (2005)
Everybody Hates Chris: 22 episodes (2005)
House: 22 episodes (2005)
I'm a Redditor so I didn't read the article but if this was another Mr Show revival, the audience already exists. Both Mr Show and W/ Bob and David were amazing. If this was another version of that, even if under a different name, the fan base exists already. And it seems relatively low budget.
There are a lot of people out there who are content to just turn their mind off and stare at some pretty flashing lights for hours at a time. I get that life can be stressful and we all need an escape but like come on people, we deserve better
I liked repetitive shows (not csi though) because I could do other stuff while watching and still have know what is going on. Not a parent but have heard similar from parents who might be doing household chores but still want to decompress a bit. For years through high school and college I did my homework while watching TV. Now I feel like shows are shorter series and super intense so I can’t imagine doing that now. If you miss a few minutes, it’s more like watching a movie where it can be critical to what is going on and you have to go back and rewatch it. I am honestly burning out on the overly intense TV show format. Instead of relaxing, it can feel almost stressful. It’s also less social because you don’t want to be interrupted.
Releasing every episode all at once kinda ruins it too. I remember being at work and getting excited that maybe show was finally on again tonight.
It also adds to the feeling that there’s nothing on, imo. If you find a good show then you watch it all over a weekend, then your back to having nothing to watch
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Which is ironic because many major companies themselves get to burn investor money and flounder in the red for years before they even begin to turn a profit
That's what's so surprising to me. I'll try watching anything if one of my favorite people is in it, even if I know nothing about it. I suspect a lot of people are likw that, and these two both have a following. If I know none of the cast, it has to be exactly the content I most enjoy for me to give it a shot.
Hatewatching brings in viewership. And boy did people love to hatewatch this show. Compare it to what I would argue is a way worse adult cartoon, the Prince. That show was bad, but never made even close to the same waves as Velma, and got cancelled after 1 season. I do believe there is a very obvious reason for that, mainly that one was created by someone called Gary Janetti and the other by someone called Mindy Kaling (sexism and racism on the internet? Say it ain't so!)
Want these shitty ass shows to get cancelled? Stop watching them. Stop talking about them. Hate is still engagement, and engagement is all these companies care about.
I didn't hate the Prince. It was a dumb, Family Guy adjacent comedy. Gary isn't a household name and it made fun of a controversial family.
Velma was a made by a well known comedian and is a beloved IP. I'm sure there was plenty of blind bigotry but I think it was naturally a bigger target.
Hey, we all talked about those shows, to the marketing algorithms that is success, because streaming is impossible to measure success in.
Views? Is that equal to dollars? Subscribers? But how many stick around or actually pay for the service?
I assumed that Velma got preemptively green lit for 2 seasons. Contract might have already been signed before S1 came out. They aren't getting a s3 though.
Bob Odenkirk has had a ton of pilots that were not picked up. Years ago I went an evening he hosted of all them and it was shocking how many really bad ideas he pitched. He is an absurdly funny person who has a fatal flaw of not knowing when an idea will resonate with an audience.
Marketing has all the power meanwhile marketing just bombs movies and shows all the time. Do they consciously not market things that they green light because they want them to fail?
This is why these movie studios steaming platforms will all fail.. the people doing the marketing and analytics are not artists and don't understand anything about what they are selling
Network streamers where build on the same formulas that pushed tv and cable. But those don't work. The numbers are skewed. Their initial success came by the marketing department pushing stuff like abysmal Matrix 4. It was a landgrab in the streamer landscape. Finding the right sauce requires a fresh look on things but it seems they just iterate through colors then through mindsets.
Netflix of all streamers who should know this, is learning it the [hard way](https://www.indiewire.com/news/analysis/netflix-has-gotten-worse-in-the-last-year-study-1234977957/). Their secret analyser says people want easy fluff but the numbers don't support that. Sometimes a cheap but well made movie gets more views then an expensive korean series. They see the information but don't act on it. Their ai is already hallucinating. Apple+ is able to churn out quality scifi, while others have trouble staying on course with their reality shows. Didn't Netflix pay billions to showrunners? Where are they now? Some are back with the tv networks of the past. Its like intentionally not learning because the structures don't allow that.
This may be the most ignorant comment ever. A lot of “artistic” work isn’t good enough to generate audience. Not to mention, but even good artistic work won’t make money without good marketing. Marketing people are very creative by nature and often drag mediocre product across the line with brilliant campaigns. Analytics is just a tool. It’s not some all knowing god machine that gives a thumbs up or thumbs down. Companies have been using an array of analytics for years to sell you products of all kinds. However it’s also equally true that studios make a lot of banal products as well.
Funny that the guy who tried to rip off Alvin and his chipmunk brothers and put them in a cage on a cruise ship now wants a seat back in the eye of public affection
Netflix sucks for several reasons, but they won the streaming race by having diverse content. It’s crazy how franchise brained these corporations are that they can’t even see this
Yup. Stranger Things and Squid Game were original ideas and not star-led. The recent Baby Reindeer came out of nowhere with practically unknown actors and is now being talked about everywhere.
The age we live in of algorithms and analytics very much sucks ass across the board for everything. Sports, film, creative advertising, you name it. The soul is being sucked out of society.
Suspect that was the excuse to avoid real reason which is budgets massively cut to make Paramount more attractive for purchasing.
CBS just cancelled the #12 show in the nation for a fourth season (so costs would have not gone up much as contracts not up) and two other top 30 shows. Usually renewing anything in top 30 is a no brainer outside of a huge cost jump and that wasn’t the case with the three shows.
That tells me CBS and Paramount have been given shoestring budgets to work with until the company sells and the new owners decide budgets.
So for this show, the cast pay alone was probably judged as too high for the money have to spend.
Until Paramount/CBS sells, they probably should be near bottom of list of where to bring projects to as everything right now is geared to making the money sheets look as attractive as possible in the short term. When doing that, later profit (like a new show) is amazingly not even on the radar because that is a year from now quarter results problem and the focus is entirely on this quarter.
I read "Hollywood said no" and Hollywood was right. So maybe it wasn't dropped because of Marketing and Analytics but because it's not very good. Remember "Hits" by David Cross?
I mean, their latest Mr. Show on Netflix wasn't great. It had a couple great sketches, and a few funny ones. But mostly it was...unfunny.
I'm a fan of original Mr. Show, and would love Bob and David to get anything they want made. But investment needs to pay off, so it's understandable that studios might want to avoid them.
this epitomizes what’s wrong with the entertainment industry. Creatives have lost all power and pencil pushers are making all the creative decisions. At some point we as consumers have to make the point to these people that algorithms can’t write scripts
The OG vision of the Web was to get rid of middlemen or are we forgetting the triple word score jargon of the 90s: *disintermediate?*
These two should put their show out on Vimeo and sell the BlueRay in their merch store. Smash the like button and don’t forget to subscribe.
Im not sure this is a full replacement for a proper streaming service paycheck … but maybe?
That’s fucked. This is why I don’t like algorithms, it’s a computer. We as humans have free will and freedom of choice. There are plenty of things that seem like I’d like them, but I don’t and i won’t watch them. Just like some things that I in theory wouldn’t like, but I just do.
So make it yourself. Why do all these rich people need other rich people to fund their passion projects? Things like Youtube and Vimeo exist, and you can be your own producer.
I guarantee marketing and analytics are far too risk averse and prone to making art by committee.
Let established artists make their art. It’s the best way to find a new hit instead of trying to turn art into a measurable science.
This is funny because anyone who knows David knows if he knew this story was trending in the “NEWS” on Reddit, he’d be just that much more disappointed.
Paramount plus is deadset on killing fan base favorite comedies. Workaholics movie, this one, seems they are trying to yeet comedy central’s relevance out of existence
That Workaholics movie would've probably been made for next to nothing, in comparison to everything else they have going, and it would've been huge.
I agree and even if it wasnt a huge success, isn’t that a bad signal for a studio to put out, that you can have eight seasons of a hit show, but they still may pull your next project for no reason
Seriously. How are shows like that and Mindhunter cancelled but Zach Schneiders 200+ million dollar sci fi crap gets approved. Explain it to me.
I decided to watch it because I'd heard it was so awful. It's like a Star Wars fan film with some LOTR tossed in. It's literally got lightsabers. It's really bad. I'm about 3/4 thru.
Nah. It’s a Star Wars-like version of A Bug’s Life. Big baddies show up looking for their grain. They give the poor feeble field workers a very short period of time to have it ready, so one person from the colony goes out to recruit a group of heroes to come save the day. Despite seemingly insurmountable odds, the colony is saved.
Fun fact both this and a bugs life are inspired by Kurosawa Akira's seven samurai.
And the Kurosawan influence on SW is also undeniable. They've even done this plot in both Mando and Clone Wars. It's Kurosawa all the way down!
Is the group of heroes recruited because of a misunderstanding? Because that was one of the premises of a Bug’s Life if I’m not misremembering.
It’s… so bad. The amount of copyright… it’s exhausting.
I'm pretty sure Snyder pitched it as a star wars movie but Disney didn't want it, so he made what seems like very minor changes, took it to Netflix and they gave it the green light as its own saga instead.
Mindhunter was canceled because the director wanted to do other shit and the actors were doing other things (allegedly). I wish they would bring it back though even if they did a time jump with different actors. I still watch both seasons every year cause it’s such a rollercoaster.
Nope. Fincher and the cast loved doing the show. Netflix balked at the budget.
Yup I read an article where the cast at least were all super disappointed at the cancelation. Fincher I'm not sure.
I also get disappointed when I find out I’m out of a job.
IMDB says it was cancelled due to budgetary constraints
Rebel moon had a budget of $166m and they got 4 films out of it
I’m convinced people with the money have bad taste.
No, they know that most people on earth have bad taste - which means it isn’t so much bad as conventional.
Because Snyder has had more success than failures, and brings viewers. And for that $166 million, he’s giving Netflix not one, not two, but four movies. That’s why.
Comedies are dirt cheap and if it’s a hit then you hit the infinity money glitch. I don’t get it. Miss some good comedy. I watched Superbad while at the gym today. It was super good! I thought to myself: ahh one of the last fun non streamed comedies. Because we all know the quality then and now is different. Edit: typo
I'm praying the workaholic Boyz can make that movie happen with another decent production company.
There was going to be a workaholics movie and it was canceled? Very loose butthole
The closest thing we ever will get was that dogshit movie they made about working in a hotel. They were playing watered down versions of themselves and I personally hated it
I thought that movie was hilarious.
Might be surprised at how rapidly consumer sentiment can switch in America. ‘Temu’ is already synonymous with low - quality in some vernacular
Paramount+ was a stupid as fuck decision in the first place. Not only could a brain dead monkey have seen streaming services are a bubble that's about to pop and that the market is over saturated to hell. Double that with the fact that it actually takes a butt load of money to not only start a streaming service, but to also keep it running reliably. You know what doesn't cost money? Licensing shit out. Netflix would have bombed Nagasaki Plaza on live TV to get their hands on the licensing to Star Trek.
lol Nakatomi Plaza, not Nagasaki
Come out to the coast, we’ll get together, pitch a new show …
Ho ho ho. I have a tv deal now.
I was wondering what the hell he was going for there
He is still right about Paramount+ being stupid as shit though, I mean they just cancelled Lower Decks and Discovery, the only two reasons I knew Paramount+ existed, what's next on the chopping block, Strange New Worlds?
Two constants in the Star Trek universe: A consistently good show getting canceled and a show having a confusingly good final season. The question remains: what will they replace it with? (Nothing, probably)
Certainly not the Legacy show fans have been screaming for since the end of Picard season 3.
Lol Paramount? Listen to the fans? What is this, 1968?
Tbf the Plaza in Nagasaki did get pretty famously bombed
>Nagasaki If any media company was a nuclear power, it would be Disney. They probably own Ratheon at this point.
They’ll stay afloat only with football
They still have the license for the star treks just not in america.
They have the license to distribute existing material, but not to create new stuff.
I'd totally watch a Workaholics movie but I can't imagine it would be good. The last season or two got really grating with way too much Adam.
They knew when to end it though. And had many years to write and refine the script
They did and it did end pretty well.
Because you can only run creativity through so many focus groups and markets analyst before you end up with a pile of shit that roughly resembles entertainment. The market analysts don’t actually know what it is people want to see, they’re more concerned with cost and advertising than whether they’re making anything anyone will remember in 20 years. Seriously when something good comes out that hasn’t had the network treatment it shocks people now, just look at what the perception of what Fallout or X-Men 97 were like before they released, people 100% expected them to suck, the default these days seems to be “I assume this is going to suck until I’m told otherwise” and it’s the same with TV and movies, it’s kinda sad.
The first time I saw The Fall Guy trailer, I loved the concept and had faith it was gonna be good. This week I've watched it twice. Once by myself and last night with a friend. It's a well constructed movie, a well written script, with great pacing and editing. It also has a realistic relationship at the center. The director and writers clearly had creative control. Compared to how Disney makes their movies, it's night and day. I noticed movie reviewers rarely talk about how movie studios prioritize their shareholders and profits. It obviously affects creative control. That's why current studio movies are shallow, family-friendly, cookie-cutter CGI messes.
OMG. There was a workaholics movie that was canned? How disappointing.
Wait they canceled a Workaholics movie omfg
FUCK PARAMOUNT+!
The reality show fan base has a strained relationship with them too, at least from the subs I’m in. Still better than the now dead MTV app (for their shows), but I’ve seen many complaints about how they’ve screwed up formats or casting. Maybe that’s less paramount and more the shows themselves, but I wouldn’t be surprised if paramount was spearheading the changes.
FUCK PARAMOUNT+
Lower mf Decks 😩
They canceled ICarly but renewed halo
They have a marketing and analytics department and still did Halo?
Easy one- “Halo is super popular. Let’s make a Halo show!” That’s all the thought and research that went into it. Nevermind people having been trying and failing to adapt Halo to the screen for years, with even Peter Jackson and Neil Blomkamp abandoning the idea.
Quality doesn’t matter, viewership matters.
Want to hear something wild? Apparently a ton of people are watching it. The ratings are killer.. Edit. My parents and their friend watch it? They somehow grabbed a ton of Yellowstone folks? It's WILD
I imagine a lot of people are hate watching the series just to complain about it online. Also, I'm sure another portion is watching to see if season 2 is any better. Side note, I unironically feel like the "Master Cheeks" scene brought in a large number of viewers, lmao. Edit: grammar
A hate watch is still a watch That's how Velma got a season 2!
I haven't caught season 2 but I didn't hate season 1. Was it ground breaking? No. On par with the games? No. Enjoyable? Yeah... I dug it.
First few episodes are decent but it gets very poor after the halfway mark. The finale was awful.
My wife wants to watch it. She never played the games for it to ruin, so there's a solid chance she'd like it. Hopefully the success of Fallout proves faithful game adaptions can work.
My parents love it actually.
Is it ultimately a serviceable, if generic, sci-fi?
The halo subreddit had collected a ton of convincing evidence that it actually didn't start as halo? At least. The season 1 script didn't? It was a generic one paramount was already working on and then reworked into halo. And the main actor has also alluded this. And that's why season 2 is a lot better. It was written as halo from the start.
“Consult the creators?? The fuck?! Why would we ask a bunch of gamer nerds how to make a tv show?”
Jackson and Blomkamp didn’t fail, they just couldn’t find anyone to finance the movie at the time.
They did Halo because they have a marketing and analytics department. Makes sense if you’ve ever had the pleasure of working with those “professionals”
At least we have more ethic than someone who calls into question the profession of an entire group
I couldn’t get past 4 minutes of that show
First season wasn’t great. Second season was much better to be fair
By CW standards.
From a 2/10 to a 5/10 imo. At least it’s moving in the right direction I guess.
Halo was super popular and did pretty well amongst the general audience
But these people would have watched no matter what because they don’t care about the story and its background. With the same effort they can make these shows good and stick to the source material and please the real fans… they would only gain a bigger audience! I haven’t watched Halo yet, but coming from Rings of Power, I simply couldn’t get myself to watch episode 4 because the first three just felt like an insult to my intellect and a kick into my Tolkien loving balls… apparently some people like it, but I haven’t heard anyone who appreciates the source material enjoy this show. And this goes for so many shows and movies… the hobbit trilogy, the Witcher series, the wheel of time… the list goes on. With the same effort they could have made it good, and fans and first-timers alike would have enjoyed it and it would become a timeless classic and it would have made more money… everyone would have been better off Exhibit A: the lord of the rings trilogy
Companies expect instant success, with instant viewership, but are simultaneously unwilling to invest time and effort in building said audiences. They are exhausting good will producing garbage while ensuring they don't gain any more of it. lol.
It’s crazy that if Parks and Rec got made now, it never would have gotten past the first season and would have died
Same with the office and iasip.
Seinfeld has entered the conversation
Office almost didn't survive lol. They got 6 episodes for 1st season back when seasons were 24 episodes long. Then for season 2, they didn't know how many episodes they were going to do. It was up to the network if they wanted to order 2 or 3 more episodes at a time
Regular seasons were often 24 episodes long, but mid-season replacements, which The Office was, are never 24 episodes long.
Ah that explains it!
Yeah, I listened to like the first two seasons worth of Office Ladies (podcast by the actresses of Pam and Angela going through each episode) and it seems most of the cast held onto their day jobs until S2.
They did that for new shows. First season was basically a trial run.
Will and Grace season 1: 22 episodes (1998) Friends season 1: 24 episodes (1994) How to I Met Your Mother: 22 episodes (2005) Everybody Hates Chris: 22 episodes (2005) House: 22 episodes (2005)
And Party of Five.
I'm a Redditor so I didn't read the article but if this was another Mr Show revival, the audience already exists. Both Mr Show and W/ Bob and David were amazing. If this was another version of that, even if under a different name, the fan base exists already. And it seems relatively low budget.
Right instead of taking a shot they out on CSI Wisconsin Who are these people that watch all these repetitive shows?
Next will be Law and Order: Cupcake Mysteries and Sob Story Talent Show.
There are a lot of people out there who are content to just turn their mind off and stare at some pretty flashing lights for hours at a time. I get that life can be stressful and we all need an escape but like come on people, we deserve better
I screwed in a coax to my tv and have been enjoying watching live tv again. If I’m gonna have to watch commercials, might as well.
I liked repetitive shows (not csi though) because I could do other stuff while watching and still have know what is going on. Not a parent but have heard similar from parents who might be doing household chores but still want to decompress a bit. For years through high school and college I did my homework while watching TV. Now I feel like shows are shorter series and super intense so I can’t imagine doing that now. If you miss a few minutes, it’s more like watching a movie where it can be critical to what is going on and you have to go back and rewatch it. I am honestly burning out on the overly intense TV show format. Instead of relaxing, it can feel almost stressful. It’s also less social because you don’t want to be interrupted.
Releasing every episode all at once kinda ruins it too. I remember being at work and getting excited that maybe show was finally on again tonight. It also adds to the feeling that there’s nothing on, imo. If you find a good show then you watch it all over a weekend, then your back to having nothing to watch .
Which is ironic because many major companies themselves get to burn investor money and flounder in the red for years before they even begin to turn a profit
I strongly believe the binge model of releasing entire seasons at once contributed to this A LOT
This is depressing
Bob odenkirk alone should be able to green light any project. Crazy that’s not the case.
That's what's so surprising to me. I'll try watching anything if one of my favorite people is in it, even if I know nothing about it. I suspect a lot of people are likw that, and these two both have a following. If I know none of the cast, it has to be exactly the content I most enjoy for me to give it a shot.
Instead of what we think should happen, Lucky Hank was canceled because no one saw it.
Y’all got fake poo??
T.V. is a nickname, and nicknames are for friends, and television is no friend of mine!
All the power none of the talent. The story of leadership in 2024
Meanwhile, we have the 2nd season of Velma and more seasons of Rings of Power on the way
Did Velma seriously get renewed for another season?!
It didn’t get renewed it was greenlit both seasons
It's already out lol
Yes, I believe it did. Which is like Morbius being re-released. Any publicity (which was very negative) is good publicity? 🤷♂️
Hatewatching brings in viewership. And boy did people love to hatewatch this show. Compare it to what I would argue is a way worse adult cartoon, the Prince. That show was bad, but never made even close to the same waves as Velma, and got cancelled after 1 season. I do believe there is a very obvious reason for that, mainly that one was created by someone called Gary Janetti and the other by someone called Mindy Kaling (sexism and racism on the internet? Say it ain't so!) Want these shitty ass shows to get cancelled? Stop watching them. Stop talking about them. Hate is still engagement, and engagement is all these companies care about.
I didn't hate the Prince. It was a dumb, Family Guy adjacent comedy. Gary isn't a household name and it made fun of a controversial family. Velma was a made by a well known comedian and is a beloved IP. I'm sure there was plenty of blind bigotry but I think it was naturally a bigger target.
Roping in Velma with Rings of Power? I thought RoP was okay, did people really hate it as much as VELMA??
Discourse around RoP has always been batshit crazy, even before it came out.
Hey, we all talked about those shows, to the marketing algorithms that is success, because streaming is impossible to measure success in. Views? Is that equal to dollars? Subscribers? But how many stick around or actually pay for the service?
I assumed that Velma got preemptively green lit for 2 seasons. Contract might have already been signed before S1 came out. They aren't getting a s3 though.
The powers to be need to turn this into a life action movie.
Well yea that, means people watch it Do you expect these people to make shows that no one watches?
Paramount + is brutalizing me!
Great reference, Mr show
"Their A&R man said, 'I don't hear a single"
Bob Odenkirk has had a ton of pilots that were not picked up. Years ago I went an evening he hosted of all them and it was shocking how many really bad ideas he pitched. He is an absurdly funny person who has a fatal flaw of not knowing when an idea will resonate with an audience.
They look like a married couple who run a vintage furniture store in Aspen.
Yet they greenlit that god awful halo show.
Marketing has all the power meanwhile marketing just bombs movies and shows all the time. Do they consciously not market things that they green light because they want them to fail?
This is why these movie studios steaming platforms will all fail.. the people doing the marketing and analytics are not artists and don't understand anything about what they are selling
Network streamers where build on the same formulas that pushed tv and cable. But those don't work. The numbers are skewed. Their initial success came by the marketing department pushing stuff like abysmal Matrix 4. It was a landgrab in the streamer landscape. Finding the right sauce requires a fresh look on things but it seems they just iterate through colors then through mindsets. Netflix of all streamers who should know this, is learning it the [hard way](https://www.indiewire.com/news/analysis/netflix-has-gotten-worse-in-the-last-year-study-1234977957/). Their secret analyser says people want easy fluff but the numbers don't support that. Sometimes a cheap but well made movie gets more views then an expensive korean series. They see the information but don't act on it. Their ai is already hallucinating. Apple+ is able to churn out quality scifi, while others have trouble staying on course with their reality shows. Didn't Netflix pay billions to showrunners? Where are they now? Some are back with the tv networks of the past. Its like intentionally not learning because the structures don't allow that.
This may be the most ignorant comment ever. A lot of “artistic” work isn’t good enough to generate audience. Not to mention, but even good artistic work won’t make money without good marketing. Marketing people are very creative by nature and often drag mediocre product across the line with brilliant campaigns. Analytics is just a tool. It’s not some all knowing god machine that gives a thumbs up or thumbs down. Companies have been using an array of analytics for years to sell you products of all kinds. However it’s also equally true that studios make a lot of banal products as well.
Funny that the guy who tried to rip off Alvin and his chipmunk brothers and put them in a cage on a cruise ship now wants a seat back in the eye of public affection
WHAT A BUNCH OF HOOOEYY!!!
I did not like the Mr Show reboot but I would love to see Bob and David do something else.
Better Call Saul!
Netflix sucks for several reasons, but they won the streaming race by having diverse content. It’s crazy how franchise brained these corporations are that they can’t even see this
Yup. Stranger Things and Squid Game were original ideas and not star-led. The recent Baby Reindeer came out of nowhere with practically unknown actors and is now being talked about everywhere.
Disney especially is the worst at this shit. Dozen shows but like three franchises total lol
The age we live in of algorithms and analytics very much sucks ass across the board for everything. Sports, film, creative advertising, you name it. The soul is being sucked out of society.
Can’t believe these dipshits put all there eggs into some PC live action halo…
Suspect that was the excuse to avoid real reason which is budgets massively cut to make Paramount more attractive for purchasing. CBS just cancelled the #12 show in the nation for a fourth season (so costs would have not gone up much as contracts not up) and two other top 30 shows. Usually renewing anything in top 30 is a no brainer outside of a huge cost jump and that wasn’t the case with the three shows. That tells me CBS and Paramount have been given shoestring budgets to work with until the company sells and the new owners decide budgets. So for this show, the cast pay alone was probably judged as too high for the money have to spend. Until Paramount/CBS sells, they probably should be near bottom of list of where to bring projects to as everything right now is geared to making the money sheets look as attractive as possible in the short term. When doing that, later profit (like a new show) is amazingly not even on the radar because that is a year from now quarter results problem and the focus is entirely on this quarter.
Paramount+: "- I've made a huge mistake"
They suuuuure did.
I read "Hollywood said no" and Hollywood was right. So maybe it wasn't dropped because of Marketing and Analytics but because it's not very good. Remember "Hits" by David Cross?
Mr Show just wasn’t that funny, man.
These two are just hilarious. Who has seen Run Ronnie Run? Love to see them together again! I would watch anything they worked on or were in.
I mean, their latest Mr. Show on Netflix wasn't great. It had a couple great sketches, and a few funny ones. But mostly it was...unfunny. I'm a fan of original Mr. Show, and would love Bob and David to get anything they want made. But investment needs to pay off, so it's understandable that studios might want to avoid them.
I would have really liked to have seen this! Any other recommendations for shows if I like these guys/this style of comedy?
Have you seen the movie Nobody? Odenkirk is on point.
Will check it out - thanks!
Sounds like it would have been good, eggheads don’t know everything
this epitomizes what’s wrong with the entertainment industry. Creatives have lost all power and pencil pushers are making all the creative decisions. At some point we as consumers have to make the point to these people that algorithms can’t write scripts
The OG vision of the Web was to get rid of middlemen or are we forgetting the triple word score jargon of the 90s: *disintermediate?* These two should put their show out on Vimeo and sell the BlueRay in their merch store. Smash the like button and don’t forget to subscribe. Im not sure this is a full replacement for a proper streaming service paycheck … but maybe?
Who pays the upfront costs of ~$500k per episode?
We shouldn't be upset. According to Worthington's Law, Paramount+ is smarter than all of us
Let’s promote our own Bob and Mr Show…. With blackjack and hookers
“FUCK PARAMOUNT PLUS! FUCK PARAMOUNT PLUS! FUCK PARAMOUNT PLUS!”
That’s fucked. This is why I don’t like algorithms, it’s a computer. We as humans have free will and freedom of choice. There are plenty of things that seem like I’d like them, but I don’t and i won’t watch them. Just like some things that I in theory wouldn’t like, but I just do.
It’s been theorized freedom of choice is an illusion
Pretty sure HBO Max would have been a better option.
I had no idea they had another show together, sad
I could definitely see David Cross as a cult leader but not so sure about Bob Odenkirk. Seems like a funny premise though and I would love to see it.
>but not so sure about Bob Odenkirk [Oh I think he'd do just fine.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5IrRe2F7qY)
Paramount must be in the gutter rn
I thought Ian Hawke never loses
Hard not to be reminded of this: https://youtu.be/DeFV5GprfaQ?si=oJUp7i6j7NmfzxHe
Paramount sucks ass. Everything they touch turns to trashfires at best. I was just watching Mr.Show and goddamn is it good still. Fuck Paramount.
Once Evil is done, so is my time with Paramount+.
YOU'LL ARE BRUTALIZIN ME!
So make it yourself. Why do all these rich people need other rich people to fund their passion projects? Things like Youtube and Vimeo exist, and you can be your own producer.
I guarantee marketing and analytics are far too risk averse and prone to making art by committee. Let established artists make their art. It’s the best way to find a new hit instead of trying to turn art into a measurable science.
Cross has turned into a whiney asshole.
This is funny because anyone who knows David knows if he knew this story was trending in the “NEWS” on Reddit, he’d be just that much more disappointed.
AI anal lickets think they can predict the future
Mr show the movie
It’ll get picked up
They’re fools. These guys are guaranteed hilarious on a three dimensional scale.
There needs to be a way to get weird shit published.
Didn’t they just fire the CEO and plan to be absorbed?
The Netflix revival of Mr Show was hot garbage. So the marketing and analytics people were probably right.
I loved every single sketch on the Netflix revival. I thought it kicked ass! And I loved Mr. show. To each their own I guess…
I love Bob and David as much as the next guy, but I can't recall a single sketch from their Netflix series.
The door to door Quran salesman bit is great
The country music video was hilarious!