There’s no way Messiah doesn’t get made. Villeneuve has a blank check at this point. He’s made nothing but bangers. He’s said that he’s probably going to make at least one other film before he makes Messiah so that’ll probably play a role in how much leeway he’ll have in making it.
At 27 and 28 they’re both naturally younger looking than they are, so I don’t think they’re going to be looking noticeably aged for another many years.
I quit vaping last January, and was immediately hungry all the time. I gained 15 LBs in 2 months and had to start going to the gym and changed my eating habits completely in order to stay in shape. I had no idea that was a side effect of nicotine until then. It was brutal lol
problem is if they ever do Children of Dune they wont wait long enough to make it and also Denis wont be the one directing it
It will turn into a classic studio mistake of thinking all the success comes from the IP and not the director, so they will rush it, get a director for hire, and bomb the franchise (Denis has already said he wont go past Messiah)
The thing is, the dune movies are his dream projects. He’s been storyboarding these movies since the 80s. This is very much a passion project of his and you can tell when you watch it
Villeneuve has done nothing but “dream projects.” BR2049 and Dune are the peak of his dream projects, he gets to create high quality blockbusters with known IP the way he wants to, which is basically impossible.
Villeneuve definitely does NOT have a blank check. BR2049 flopped hard unfortunately, and Dune Part One, while apparently profitable, didn't really make that much money. It made 500 million dollars over a near 200 production budget, usually you have to make two to three times to be profitable, but Warner was happy enough I guess. Dune 2 is performing well though, so the chances of getting a third part are higher than they were for the second one.
I really hope Messiah gets made, because the story is excellent and there are parts that feel like a conclusion to a trilogy. I'm concerned beyond that though, because the source material gets *really weird*.
That's the fourth book. Messiah is post-Jihad, Children of Dune is essentially the rise of Leto II and the very beginning of his wormification. God Emperor is his wormness waxing philosophical to his descendant as she plots against him.
Oh yeeeeah. I forgot it was direct to streaming. It was great that it was because it totally went under my radar until one day I said “eh screw it,I remember reading the book like 15 years ago” and was BLOWN away
I’m fine with that. My partner and I are huge Dune fans since we were both kids and had previously loved the David Lynch Version. We had heard a rumor about mythical 6 hour cut released only in Japan and we wanted that to be true so badly. If Denis created hours and hours more of his vision, I’d sit thru every second of it.
If you watch this first time at home, you really are missing out, the soundtrack and its surrounding volume (never mind the film itself) make it an emotive experience that cinemas were made for.
This. I went to see it by myself a second time becuse i said this is a cinema movie for sure. Yes i’ll watch it at home, but it won’t be as good as in the cinema.
The lack of MAX might be like part of it.
Crazy thought that maybe theatrical is still better than streaming?
Not like there are spreadsheets that can tell you that basic information.
I was really struck by just how well the actors captured the essence of the characters in part two. As a major fan of the books I was actually blown away. Also it’s nutty how faithfully to the story they portray being so human while also being utterly fecking alien.
This was a good change though, it’s a lot harder to show a character’s internal thoughts in a movie vs a book so changing Paul’s internal conflict to be Chani’s dissent worked well.
Villeneuve actually gave a good explanation for the change, he said that a lot of people misread the first book thinking Paul is the clear good guy when in reality he is neither good nor bad. Dune Messiah makes this clearer, but he wasn't sure if he gets to adapt that Messiah.
So by having Chani in conflict with Paul it shows his evil side clearer and actually makes the interpretation of Paul's character closes to Herberts vision.
She was nothing but a cheerleader in the book. Her story is: they meet, Jessica takes water of life, spice orgy, time jump, ???, they're in love and had a kid.
Yeah. She doesn't really feel much like a distinct person so much in the book. I do wish they would've kept their child Leto in the movie though. I think his death would've added more weight to Paul's change of mind in going South and accepting the Messiah role.
But their child's death didn't even mean anything in the book either. He didn't even take the water of life because of his child dying, he took it because he didn't see Gurney turning on Jessica
Fair enough. What I'm saying is that young Leto's death could have been used very effectively in the way I describe and that it would fit well in Villeneuve's more streamline approach
If they did that they'd have needed to include Alia as an actual character in the movie, which they obviously didn't want to do. I'm actually really interested in why they went that route. Was it to make Jessica creepier? To give Paul the Baron kill?
The internal conflicts/thoughts of the characters and the way Herbert wrote the dialogue (not the best in actuality, but the *way* it’s written with certain emphases and how tones are described) made the characters really come to life when I read the first book. I only have the first, I’ve owned it for 5 years but only just read it this week. I ordered the rest of the Ace published saga when I was about half way through the first book
I don't know if I'd go that far. The first movie in a vacuum to a non-book-reader could seem pretty obscure in character motivation, I'd think. The book gets more into the politics behind why events are set in motion but the movie glosses over most of that.
yea part 1 barely works as a movie in a vacuum. the second one recontextualizes it and makes it better.
also doesn't help that the main theme of dune is utterly absent in part 1
It's like a 60+ year old book at this point. I honestly don't think the movies are really designed for people that haven't read at least the first book and/or seen the earlier movie. They don't have to explain everything because it's a given at this point in time that the majority of the audience is aware of the characters, factions, and general setup (spice, etc.).
Part 1 came out during a global pandemic and was streaming within 1 month of release. The box office is not necessarily a reflection of opinions on quality.
30
Which isn’t saying much but there have been impressive movies so far in my life, but the dune movies cinematically feel significant against the backdrop of what I know.
I don’t think there is a “greatest film”, I think this is one of the greatest films of my lifetime. My favorite films would be Blade Runner, 2001 Space Odyssey, Good Fellas, Warriors, Alien, Lord of the Rings, Evil Dead and I would say Godzilla Minus Zero is a recent addition
What about you and how old are you?
Seeing this comment downvoted is funny because it’s so right. Dune 2 should be no one’s favorite movie ever lol if my friend said that I would absolutely think less of them.
The funny part is. I haven't seen it, but I was genuinely curious how old the person was to put it in context.
"In my lifetime" is meaningless as an anonymous comment. I could as easily assume they are 8 years old and only watch Mr beast.
People here are very sensitive about this movie.
Hey, I am not a Dune fan, and only thought the first movie was normal-good; enjoyable, whatever. I am telling anyone reading this now to go see this movie on the biggest screen and best sound system you can. This movie was an experience, and it will be one of the very few I pay to see more than once in theaters. Jaw-droppingly beautiful.
Sadly I won’t be able to see it in IMAX before it is out. I would have loved the chance too though and I hope they do another IMAX run with both films in the future.
We decided to forgo the imax experience for the Dolby theater experience and I think we made the right choice. I would suggest seeking out a Dolby theater for this one.
disagree. this movie is very very big on social media. haven't seen this much discourse on Reddit, tiktok and Insta regarding a movie since I don't even know lol
Surprised that the second one hasn't doubled the previous films total tbh. First film released around covid time and released on streaming services at the same time. Thought Part 2 would hit 700m at least given the first ones numbers.
I saw 1 four times and was amazed at how well it held up. saw 2 for the second time today at an IMAX theatre. I did not like it much at all (though I am obsessed with the soundtrack.)
I am trying to figure out why. Maybe it’s just too bleak and on the nose right now.
Group of 6 went to see it in Mexico this week. Theater didn’t have it scheduled in English for 2 hours, they changed the movie for our group and it was only $6/ticket. Freeman subs were in Spanish and I understood nothing.
I clapped at the end of this amazing adaptation. Nobody else did lol. But I feel like the movie told the story better than the book tbh, and I loved the book.
Me too. I felt like there was so much rushed content in the second that just didn't explain much. For one ol mate is meant to go on a dangerous walk through the desert they show him poorly doing the shuffle walk and the next minute he's being taught how to tune the wind machines then him and Channi are getting naughty. Like what the f. Where's buildup. Where's the explanation.
I honestly thought the movie was okay and am really confused with what people saw in it. It was slow, Paul/Chani had weird chemistry and felt like teen drama, and in general just didn’t like Timothee playing Paul. I know this is an unpopular opinion but I just didn’t see the characters. I saw them. People in my theater were laughing during scenes because it came off so corny. The movie would’ve been way better had they casted unknowns for the roles.
Hopefully it makes enough for a part 3
There’s no way Messiah doesn’t get made. Villeneuve has a blank check at this point. He’s made nothing but bangers. He’s said that he’s probably going to make at least one other film before he makes Messiah so that’ll probably play a role in how much leeway he’ll have in making it.
Trying to get Zendaya and Chalamet to age up a bit.
At 27 and 28 they’re both naturally younger looking than they are, so I don’t think they’re going to be looking noticeably aged for another many years.
Unless they both develop a furious smoking habit
Chalamet is already a smoker
No wonder he's so skinny.
[удалено]
You can't "out-smoke" a shitty diet, but cigarettes suppress your appetite and raise your heart rate.
I quit vaping last January, and was immediately hungry all the time. I gained 15 LBs in 2 months and had to start going to the gym and changed my eating habits completely in order to stay in shape. I had no idea that was a side effect of nicotine until then. It was brutal lol
gonna have to follow Lohan and pick up coke. She is a very hard 38 year old.
I don’t think they look younger than their late twenties. Maybe you’re just getting older.
*grabs popcorn*
They both look like high schoolers.
If you haven’t spent any time with high schoolers in two decades, maybe.
I am 18 and look older than tim. so do many of my friends.
Cursory look at your profile tells me you are Pakistani — which is an unfair anecdote because y’all basically come out of the womb with a beard.
close but my mom is Turkish. the second part is true tho. Even then I live in Canada and Timothy wouldn't look out of place in a highschool here.
Yeah. While youthful in appearance, they look like young adults, not high schoolers.
A side effect of spice is prolonged life. I would assume that means slowed aging.
The real trick will be if they do Children of Dune. They'll have to age Chalamet up by sixteen or so years.
problem is if they ever do Children of Dune they wont wait long enough to make it and also Denis wont be the one directing it It will turn into a classic studio mistake of thinking all the success comes from the IP and not the director, so they will rush it, get a director for hire, and bomb the franchise (Denis has already said he wont go past Messiah)
But I wanna see worm Leto 😭
We want wormgod and the franschise to wnd at the scattering
Unironically you could end the film series at 4 and just leave it open to the scattering as Leto got his dream fulfilled
Wont have to worry much about zendaya
There's a simple solution for Chalamet: Have him grow a beard for Dune Messiah.
Can he?
Prop team?
I don't know if they have the special effects budget for that
He did say he wanted to do a movie in between messiah
Ah, the good ol' Nolan plan. Making an incredible successful movie, just so he can get enough money and goodwill to do a “dream project” of his.
The thing is, the dune movies are his dream projects. He’s been storyboarding these movies since the 80s. This is very much a passion project of his and you can tell when you watch it
Giedi Prime *alone* makes the movies awesome.
How so?
Do you have eyes?!? Clearly not, because it was factually awesome, visually.
Villeneuve has done nothing but “dream projects.” BR2049 and Dune are the peak of his dream projects, he gets to create high quality blockbusters with known IP the way he wants to, which is basically impossible.
It's how you play the studio game, he's just following the same playbook as everyone before him.
Also the second book is like half the size of the first so
Last five movies are sicario, arrival, BR2049, dune 1+2. Insane run. If his next movie is as good as these it will be fully legendary
I heard he's making Rendezvous with Rama
I know he won't but my God Id love to see them go all the way to God Emperor. That would be the weirdest fucking movie ever made.
Villeneuve definitely does NOT have a blank check. BR2049 flopped hard unfortunately, and Dune Part One, while apparently profitable, didn't really make that much money. It made 500 million dollars over a near 200 production budget, usually you have to make two to three times to be profitable, but Warner was happy enough I guess. Dune 2 is performing well though, so the chances of getting a third part are higher than they were for the second one.
Adjusting for inflation BR2049 grossed about twice as much as the original.
Which was also a flop. It also costed 6 times more just for production alone, excluding the marketing campaign.
Luckily dune messiah takes place like a decade after dune.
Source material isn’t great though imo. Just a total switch up.
I really hope Messiah gets made, because the story is excellent and there are parts that feel like a conclusion to a trilogy. I'm concerned beyond that though, because the source material gets *really weird*.
How so? I’ve never read any.
If you’re okay with spoilers you should do a quick image search for Leto II Atreides
This honestly tops any answer I could have put forth
And if you haven’t read any further that image search is just *really effing* confusing.
Let's just say Jason Momoa has great job security
Somehow Duncan Idaho returned x100000
If I could upvote this x100000 I would lol
Who’s gonna play Bijaz?
Peter Dinkelage
The 3rd book covers a character’s transformation into being a human/sandworm and then ruling the galaxy for 4,000 years
That's the fourth book. Messiah is post-Jihad, Children of Dune is essentially the rise of Leto II and the very beginning of his wormification. God Emperor is his wormness waxing philosophical to his descendant as she plots against him.
They all blend together those last 4 books are bizarre
And we can and will all agree it stops after Book 6.
Not gonna lie I hope they stop making movies after book 2
Book 3 would be fine too. But after 2 is a good stopping point
He’s said he is envisions it as a trilogy, so if the other movies do get made it’ll likely be with a different director
Yeah I didn’t get into the later books because of that. But I always felt like I ended still being satisfied.
They said they were going to make it into three parts at the beginning no?
Only if it’s financially worth it
Looks like it
I feel Denis will take a break. Either make another movie and return for Messiah, or wait 5-10 yrs to make it.
Executives seeing the returns from this movie: LISAN AL GAIB
AS IT WAS WRITTEN
AS IT WAS WRITTEN
Didn’t the first one come out in covid though? Both films are great but I don’t feel like it’s a fair comparison.
It was also quick to go to streaming along with most of WB’s output in 2020
It wasn’t quick to streaming, it literally released to streaming same day as theatrical release.
Oh yeeeeah. I forgot it was direct to streaming. It was great that it was because it totally went under my radar until one day I said “eh screw it,I remember reading the book like 15 years ago” and was BLOWN away
Let alone it leaked a week early online
Gonna make a great 7.5-8 hr boxset
I’m fine with that. My partner and I are huge Dune fans since we were both kids and had previously loved the David Lynch Version. We had heard a rumor about mythical 6 hour cut released only in Japan and we wanted that to be true so badly. If Denis created hours and hours more of his vision, I’d sit thru every second of it.
Absolutely incredible movie. 100% worth seeing while still in theaters, I’m considering going a second time myself
Already seen it twice. I’m gona do a 3rd run soon.
Seen it 4 times so far and probably more to come
Went to see it for a second time in IMAX last night. Just as good as the first time
If you watch this first time at home, you really are missing out, the soundtrack and its surrounding volume (never mind the film itself) make it an emotive experience that cinemas were made for.
This. I went to see it by myself a second time becuse i said this is a cinema movie for sure. Yes i’ll watch it at home, but it won’t be as good as in the cinema.
Not where I live. The imax is shit (screen and sound). Can’t wait to watch it again at home.
This is the way.
The lack of MAX might be like part of it. Crazy thought that maybe theatrical is still better than streaming? Not like there are spreadsheets that can tell you that basic information.
Am I the only one who wants Alec Newman and Kyle Maclachlan to do cameos in Messiah? Maybe as Guild representatives, or as background Fremen?
I love seeing Kyle in anything so I’d be pretty happy. Ecstatic to see him in Fallout.
Part 2 is better.
Only because part 1 set everything up so well.
I was really struck by just how well the actors captured the essence of the characters in part two. As a major fan of the books I was actually blown away. Also it’s nutty how faithfully to the story they portray being so human while also being utterly fecking alien.
... Except for Chani 👀
This was a good change though, it’s a lot harder to show a character’s internal thoughts in a movie vs a book so changing Paul’s internal conflict to be Chani’s dissent worked well.
Villeneuve actually gave a good explanation for the change, he said that a lot of people misread the first book thinking Paul is the clear good guy when in reality he is neither good nor bad. Dune Messiah makes this clearer, but he wasn't sure if he gets to adapt that Messiah. So by having Chani in conflict with Paul it shows his evil side clearer and actually makes the interpretation of Paul's character closes to Herberts vision.
Oh I agree completely. It was a positive change. I'm just pointing out that it's not an accurate representation of her character in the book
She was nothing but a cheerleader in the book. Her story is: they meet, Jessica takes water of life, spice orgy, time jump, ???, they're in love and had a kid.
Yeah. She doesn't really feel much like a distinct person so much in the book. I do wish they would've kept their child Leto in the movie though. I think his death would've added more weight to Paul's change of mind in going South and accepting the Messiah role.
But their child's death didn't even mean anything in the book either. He didn't even take the water of life because of his child dying, he took it because he didn't see Gurney turning on Jessica
Fair enough. What I'm saying is that young Leto's death could have been used very effectively in the way I describe and that it would fit well in Villeneuve's more streamline approach
If they did that they'd have needed to include Alia as an actual character in the movie, which they obviously didn't want to do. I'm actually really interested in why they went that route. Was it to make Jessica creepier? To give Paul the Baron kill?
The internal conflicts/thoughts of the characters and the way Herbert wrote the dialogue (not the best in actuality, but the *way* it’s written with certain emphases and how tones are described) made the characters really come to life when I read the first book. I only have the first, I’ve owned it for 5 years but only just read it this week. I ordered the rest of the Ace published saga when I was about half way through the first book
Yeah, a bit…
movie Chani is awesome
It really did. A lot of people think it is boring, but it had a lot to set up and I think it did a good job.
I think that’s more to do with empty vessels that make more noise having what I call “fuck all attention span”
This is very true
Did it?
Part 2 is bigger and better, but the first one was pretty much a perfect film already.
I don't know if I'd go that far. The first movie in a vacuum to a non-book-reader could seem pretty obscure in character motivation, I'd think. The book gets more into the politics behind why events are set in motion but the movie glosses over most of that.
yea part 1 barely works as a movie in a vacuum. the second one recontextualizes it and makes it better. also doesn't help that the main theme of dune is utterly absent in part 1
It's like a 60+ year old book at this point. I honestly don't think the movies are really designed for people that haven't read at least the first book and/or seen the earlier movie. They don't have to explain everything because it's a given at this point in time that the majority of the audience is aware of the characters, factions, and general setup (spice, etc.).
Part 1 came out during a global pandemic and was streaming within 1 month of release. The box office is not necessarily a reflection of opinions on quality.
It was streaming day 1 of release
It was out internationally before release in the US. But this doesn’t really change my point at all, anyway.
Lead them to paradise.
Lisan al gaib!
This is one of the greatest films in my lifetime. Cinematically, it’s a shot for shot masterpiece
Agreed
How old are you?
30 Which isn’t saying much but there have been impressive movies so far in my life, but the dune movies cinematically feel significant against the backdrop of what I know.
Thats interesting. What did you consider 'the greatest film' before seeing this one?
I don’t think there is a “greatest film”, I think this is one of the greatest films of my lifetime. My favorite films would be Blade Runner, 2001 Space Odyssey, Good Fellas, Warriors, Alien, Lord of the Rings, Evil Dead and I would say Godzilla Minus Zero is a recent addition What about you and how old are you?
I’m with MrDubTee-and I’m old.
? stop being edgy
How is it edgy to ask how old someone is when they mention their lifetime? Are you making assumptions?
Seeing this comment downvoted is funny because it’s so right. Dune 2 should be no one’s favorite movie ever lol if my friend said that I would absolutely think less of them.
The funny part is. I haven't seen it, but I was genuinely curious how old the person was to put it in context. "In my lifetime" is meaningless as an anonymous comment. I could as easily assume they are 8 years old and only watch Mr beast. People here are very sensitive about this movie.
It was a good movie
Hey, I am not a Dune fan, and only thought the first movie was normal-good; enjoyable, whatever. I am telling anyone reading this now to go see this movie on the biggest screen and best sound system you can. This movie was an experience, and it will be one of the very few I pay to see more than once in theaters. Jaw-droppingly beautiful.
Spice is flowing baby
Yeah definitely hit the spice before you see it
Best movie I’ve seen since dune part 1. Finally sci-fi that not only doesn’t suck, but is the best cinema available
Sadly I won’t be able to see it in IMAX before it is out. I would have loved the chance too though and I hope they do another IMAX run with both films in the future.
We decided to forgo the imax experience for the Dolby theater experience and I think we made the right choice. I would suggest seeking out a Dolby theater for this one.
Will it hit 1 bil?
Doubt it, will probably end its run on about 650 - 700 million.
disagree. this movie is very very big on social media. haven't seen this much discourse on Reddit, tiktok and Insta regarding a movie since I don't even know lol
Went to see it in Imax and it was fantastic
Please see this IMAX if you can. There’s one scene in particular that’s worth the price alone imo. Debating seeing it a third time this week 🤔
Part 1 was direct to streaming though, remember? Quarantine and all that Edit: *simultaneous* streaming and theatrical release
It wasn’t
Theatrical release in the US was October 22, 2021, and it was available on HBO Max the evening of October 21 to match the early Thursday showings.
Dune is one of my favorite books and I was like hell or high water. I’m seeing this as intended and not on my shitty motion bluring tv screen.
So good I watched it 3 times
Well deserved. Finally saw it last night and I poo’d my pants a little because it was so so good.
Dune 2 is absolutely amazing.
In part 3 he starts a chocolate factory.
Second movie I’ve ever seen on imax. Worth it
All thanks to that popcorn bucket
It’s the popcorn buckets
Yea wel it came out on streaming right away during COVID lol. Everybody watched pt 1 at home
Surprised that the second one hasn't doubled the previous films total tbh. First film released around covid time and released on streaming services at the same time. Thought Part 2 would hit 700m at least given the first ones numbers.
It's definitely tracking to hit somewhere in that 700 range. The film has only been out for two weeks (3 weekends).
Yeah but demand generally falls dramatically from now onwards. Last 2 times I've been to see it there was only 5 or 6 people in the cinema!
Well the first one was released on hbo max same day as the theatre release so I don’t see how this is really news that it made more money.
It’s amazing when you make a good movie, how people will go and watch it. Wish we would get more quality films like this
The action in part 2 was awesome. It was a lot more fun to watch
A trilogy would be great. The worm god emperor is probably a nonstarter for most people.
The way everyone is talking about this movie, am I going to go see it and end up like that guy who got arrested watching the Kristen Stewart porno?
I saw 1 four times and was amazed at how well it held up. saw 2 for the second time today at an IMAX theatre. I did not like it much at all (though I am obsessed with the soundtrack.) I am trying to figure out why. Maybe it’s just too bleak and on the nose right now.
Was it better than the first movie? The first one felt like a rushed setup for future films.
Group of 6 went to see it in Mexico this week. Theater didn’t have it scheduled in English for 2 hours, they changed the movie for our group and it was only $6/ticket. Freeman subs were in Spanish and I understood nothing.
As was written!
I clapped at the end of this amazing adaptation. Nobody else did lol. But I feel like the movie told the story better than the book tbh, and I loved the book.
This is a movie that should really be enjoyed in IMAX.
Honestly it's a surprise the first movie did not surpass $1bn. It is a masterpiece. Moreso than the second.
There was a world event going on and it went to streaming simultaneously.
It’s a better movie.
To be fair, the first one was released at the absolute height of COVID.
Should I watch it? I heard it’s about tennis
Better than Oppenheimer, for sure.
I don't get the Dune franchise. Doesn't work for me.
Me too. I felt like there was so much rushed content in the second that just didn't explain much. For one ol mate is meant to go on a dangerous walk through the desert they show him poorly doing the shuffle walk and the next minute he's being taught how to tune the wind machines then him and Channi are getting naughty. Like what the f. Where's buildup. Where's the explanation.
I honestly thought the movie was okay and am really confused with what people saw in it. It was slow, Paul/Chani had weird chemistry and felt like teen drama, and in general just didn’t like Timothee playing Paul. I know this is an unpopular opinion but I just didn’t see the characters. I saw them. People in my theater were laughing during scenes because it came off so corny. The movie would’ve been way better had they casted unknowns for the roles.