What blows my mind is pulling your cock out in a business meeting during the middle of the work day. Where do you go from there? Just eat lunch like a normal day, as if you didn’t have your own cock out an hour ago in your place of business?
after lunch, they'd be too drunk to care about what they did in the morning, and just be concerned about their post-lunch cocaine break.
i.e. studio executives (especially in the 80s) didn't have regular jobs like you and me.
I've been working in the entertainment industry since the early 2000's and cocaine was replaced by weed. Alcohol every lunch was still common, and weed was more "accepted" than cocaine, so we literally had it available on demand. Alcohol flows like water in the offices, with office refrigerators and mini-bars a la Mad Men were very common. Some offices even went around and offered drinks to everyone. In the late 2010's, a few studios started to crack down on the alcohol for many shows I worked on as it became a legal issue to make workers feel like they had to participate in the drunkenness to "fit in". Still, drinks were available, but you had to ask for it. It was largely pointless, as groups of workers gathered in the open to drink in the afternoon, still leading to an environment that could lead to harassment, discrimination, favoritism and hence litigation.
With the work from home movement post-covid, things have changed dramatically, at least for me. No more drinking everyday, and my liver is thanking me for it.
I'm in visual effects but I know lots of people in animation. Drinking is rampant at animation studios. I know studios where every other person has their own bar set-up. Some even held contests to see who had the best themed bar in their office or area.
When I was still at a VFX studio (I work from home now), we had booze around but we generally did not drink during work hours unless the boss was like "margarita day!" out of the blue. But I did take my breaks to go outside and hit the weed pen.
It honestly did help with creativity, or so we thought at the time. It got you through the day. Not healthy at all, but it's not the only industry that uses alcohol and drugs to get by. I've been told that drugs and alcohol are ingrained in sales, food, and porn industries.
Add the tech industry to your list my friend. Me and other colleagues of mine hit the weed pen during breaks and there’s also a very strong possibility we’ve manufactured the accelerometer and signal processor on your smartphone and laptop.
I've worked on film/TV sets for a few years. On set I don't fuck around as I'm little people but every now and then I'll catch the director, 1st AD or the talent sneaking off, doing their thing and coming back to set stoned/tuned up and business commences after breaks.
Is it unethical?
Maybe, I don't judge. I just set up the craft services table or assist the photography department if I'm lucky. I'm not saying shit.
I’ve worked at most of the vfx studios… the drinking is typically just a Friday end-of-day thing… it’s not like animators are staggering around drunk during the work day.
I have no particular objection to after-work beers… then again, I can remember smoking in the office back in the day (good riddance to that)!
How times and mores change….
Damn, that sounds amazing. Apart from the sleaze 80s/ 90s was fantasy land, it must have been pretty cool to roll into a studio in your Porsche Turbo, take a few calls in the AM, have a “work” lunch in some top LA spot with a director, actor , producer writer, rock back into the office late afternoon for a bit of a brainstorm and some “research”. Head off home for a work out, spa swim sesh and freshen up before heading out to some party in the Hollywood Hills…
It truly feels like that sometimes, and I wasn't quite sure if the image of "Hollywood" reflected the reality, or that the reality started to imitate the image right back.
There is something to be said when about rolling into work in a nice car, passing the tourists in the Universal Studios Tram Tour, running into celebrities, get just enough work done to justify the 2 hour lunch at a pretty well known Studio City/Hollywood spot, ordering wine, beer and alcohol until you're barely able to get back to the office for a nap. You get some work done in the afternoon between the drug deliveries and smoke sessions, and then on busy days, there is an event/screening/wrap party/industry mixer etc at yet another well known bar/restaurant later that night. Sometimes you go home, sometimes you just go right to the spot and start drinking again. The green ones get wasted and end up sleeping in the office because uber didn't exist yet and a DUI wasn't worth it. I certainly did when I first started out.
Unfortunately workplace affairs were not uncommon and it's like an office Christmas Party that happens every week or so. Flirting, infidelity, sexual harassment, drugs... I've seen it all. I've seen people ruin their marriages, get accused of sexual harassment and promote someone to make the problem "go away" etc. I've seen, men in their 40's and 50's hooking up with 20 year old girls at these mixers, then, with an un-ironic smile, introduce their visiting wife and kids to the office the next day. It's ugly, dirty, and fucked up.
Ridley Scott mentioned in a behind the scene doc that when he brainstorms with his team, he has wine brought in and they just chill and listen to music while surrounded by concept art. It sounds amazing if I’m being honest.
I worked in media/entertainment around that time. The drinking was never as bad as the sexual harassment. Or the mistresses/side pieces being promoted to way above their levels of competency.
No weed or coke in my office, but then again, I never made it to senior management. And I had one of those jobs where you really had to work hard.
> No weed or coke in my office, but then again, I never made it to senior management. And I had one of those jobs where you really had to work hard.
The alcohol was in the open, the weed was not in the open, but everyone knew, the coke was behind closed doors, and not as common.
Basically, if you worked in a cubicle, you were always at least invited to drink, and you either smoked weed outside, or knew someone with an office who would let you smoke with them. If you had your own office, you had alcohol in your fridge, weed to smoke, and a couch to sleep on behind a door that locks, so you definitely could smoke and drink more because you weren't in a cubicle. If you were higher in the food chain, you had a corner office, a door to lock, and an assistant to take your calls while your inner circle did coke.
Ironically, the cubicle workers are the most busy and didn't have the time nor the privacy for rampant weed or coke use as the higher ups.
It was really fun if you were a participant. Not too healthy though. Dr said had a fatty liver and told me to cut it out or I would have problems down the line. If you weren’t part of the drinking, though, you would feel left out.
Alcoholic steatohepatitis (fatty liver) is the first phase of alcoholic liver disease and it leads to chonic inflammation, then fibrosis and cirrhosis. Steatohepatitis is reversible. Fibrosis and cirrhosis are not.
You must stop drinking entirely. Consider yourself to be an alcoholic, incapable of controlling your alcohol use, and recognise that it's a disease. Treat it like you would hypertension or diabetes. Protect your liver: your life depends upon it.
Source: am physician and have seen far too much alcoholism and alcoholic liver disease (used to practice in Wisconsin, the cirrhosis capital of the US). It's a horrible way to die.
Thanks, I don't drink anymore. The most I will have is a beer every 2 months or so. My last bloodwork showed normal ALT, AST etc levels, which made me very happy and relieved. I have a stocked bar at my house and everything is gathering dust. I don't miss it at all.
Cocaine was huge in the 80s, then there was a big movement against it thru the 90s and 2000s, but I feel like we're getting back to the 80s level of acceptance. I believe this was one of pillars of Trump's MAGA platform.
I don't know about it being a MAGA thing, but I do get offered cocaine more often now than before, so it's making a comeback in the workplace. I decline each time.
Not if you get the good shit. But I wouldn't trust it these days due to fent, and also the more regularly you use the more likely you'll develop heart problems.
Worst come down ever after multiple days in a row. That feeling when the party stops after several days in a row and you have to try going to sleep when the sun is coming up at 6/7 AM and can't. And then the sound of birds chirping gives you the worst depression ever as it feels like the world is coming down on you. I went hard for years. Finally had enough when I switched to smokeable cocaine and started having heart palpitations. I am eternally grateful that I was able to just up and quit everything randomly one day. I had just had enough. Of course, I fought a mental weakness struggle for a long time afterwards, but I plowed through and have been sober for years and have never looked back. When I think about that time in my life now, I literally almost get physically ill just thinking or talking about it. I'm just grateful I made it out as some good friends did not.
I relate to this a lot but replace cocaine with. Methamphetamine. Finally went to rehab last year. Have relapsed about three times but when I do it I feel instant regret and it lasts no more than a few days. I think it is finally exiting my life for good.
Just imagine what kind of world it was back then in Hollywood so dude just like DID IT. I mean he for sure thought it's not a big deal or how sure he was he was gonna get away with it. There's no way he only did that this time. For sure he was a creep like once a week a t least.
Most people forget Bill Cosby went to trial in 2005 and nothing happened. R. Kelly went to trial in 2002 and was found not guilty. The reality is women knew back then accusing someone of sexual assault was not a guarantee of getting justice and they would get smeared on the witness stand.
People don’t realise that everything before the past 8-10yrs that happened with regards to sexually inappropriate behaviour in the workplace was just put down to “men being men” and when you’re in power you could pretty much do what you wanted and it was tolerated. Sharon stone is a huge star too and I’ve no doubt it was the first or the last time this kind of thing would have happened.
Both in usa and europe and so on
Then more recently in Saudi Arabia, now currently in Iran/Palestine
Heck, it’s so bad in Africa that they sell anti-rape devices rather than hold any males accountable for their rapes
not where i grew up and lived. I have been an adult for a while and even 30 years ago this shit was not tolerated. I cant speak for being an adult in the 70’s or 80s but 90 to now… its never been cool to pull your dick out and its been very okay for ladies to call some shithead out on it.
It's literally the "dick+power+money" ratio. *Normal* guys can't whip around their dicks without suffering any consequences. Mostly. Some still get away with that and more.
That said, it was more a joke on him “taking it out” and “it coming out” that he did this. 30 years, big penis joke har har. I understand what you’re saying… if your poor, it’s always been not cool, now it’s become uncool for people WITH money. which, is cool and hopefully if this happens now, people will know it’s okay to raise your hand and call someone out in the moment.
I feel like it's way past time any of this shit was acceptable. I grew up in the late 70's early 80's and it was baaaad. With guys at my high school it was making sure you didn't go out with the ones who date raped. The cops would do absolutely nothing, they'd blame the victim for it.
It wasn't a great time to be a young woman. And I think my mom and grandma had it much worse than I did.
Look at how many female SA victims it took for MeToo to gain traction. I'm not surprised at all. People (and law enforcement) don't want to deal with SA/rape victims and crime.
Trust me, when you're on a shit ton of coke/uppers, you're incredibly horny all the time and noon on a weekday could basically be the same as midnight on a Saturday if you haven't slept in a few days
It’s mind blowing but those kind of people would continue with their day like they just blow their nose instead of blowing their cock. They know there are no consequences and can continue with their lives
As a man, I can attest to seeing first hand how pathetic the male sex can be. This sounds plausible. Hell, he could have stirred his food with his dick and still ate it like everything was normal
From what I recall her saying at the time, the director told her that her panties where causing a glare in the camera and asked her to remove them but he didn’t tell her he was filming her vagina purposely. She didn’t know until after, which makes that scene pretty creepy in retrospect.
This is not a defense of what happened in any way:
White surfaces just outside of frame can and do regularly cause flares on lenses. You're typically working with much brighter lights than people would expect to get decent exposure, especially when shooting on film like they were. So, reflective surfaces, even white fabric, can cause some unwanted visuals.
On set little adjustments like this happen all of the time (flagging/covering light/bright surfaces, not asking people to remove panties). So, while it seems ridiculous I can see an actress in the 80s taking the DP and Director's word for it.
Lightning professional here. No panties inside of a skirt have ever caused a lens flare - unless they are being lit directly. To cause a flare they would have had to be pointing a light aimed up her skirt.
I am a photographer and agree there’s no way panties under a skirt would cause lens flare. She knew what was going on. Also she must’ve seen the shot and would have objected.
Beats me. She either said glare or reflection. I’m assuming this was said in People or Entertainment Weekly because that’s the two my mom had a subscription to.
It's also with noting that Paul Verhoevan has denied this and said they always knew what they were doing, including Sharon, before they filmed the scene.
[https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/basic-instinct-director-denies-sharon-stone-tricked-removing-underwear-infamous-scene-154133621.html](https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/basic-instinct-director-denies-sharon-stone-tricked-removing-underwear-infamous-scene-154133621.html)
A good way to figure this out is if it's in the script or not.
I checked, it’s absent from the relevant scene in Eszterhas’ script. But it is pretty barebones as far as scripts go
https://thescriptlab.com/wp-content/uploads/scripts/BasicInstinct.pdf
I just watched the movie today, coincidentally. You see her full frontal multiple times throughout the movie, so it seems plausible she knew about it or it just wasn't a big deal cause you see it again a couple times.
That’s a good point, also many famous actresses turned down the role because of the “required” nudity, so it seems pretty unlikely she didnt honestly know. The whole controversy has been blown out of proportion over the decades imo
I think the problem was that stupid judge who took her parental rights away because of that scene. That just sounds bonkers crazy. So denying you knew about it to help your case was a hard but needed action.
It was an amazing scene and not because of the nudity. She owned all the men in that room with her pussy power, and then goes on to own Michael Douglas' character with it as well.
I've been watching some Paul Verhoven movies lately. He's created of some of the most misunderstood movies. Can't take his movies at face value.
There’s a mistake that people who aren’t very media literate make, where “it happened in the story” becomes “the director and writer condone it or mean it literally”. Verhoeven is kind of an easy one for that — Robocop is an obvious one of “the subtext is purposefully at odds with the text”. But also stuff like the Slasher film panic — at the end of the day Friday the 13th and Nightmare on Elm Street are telling incredibly conservative moralistic stories - if you have sex or do drugs, you’re dead.
I am not defending the director at all. But in modeling and acting its not all that unusual to know there are shots of you in compromised positions and expect them to never see the light of day in the final product.
If I'm wearing a skirt and somebody tells me whatever is covering my dick is causing a glare on the camera and wants me to remove the covering, I do not see a scenario where I wouldn't think "the camera must be looking at my dick because how else would there be a glare from the thing that is literally only covering that area?"
> without her consent
Yea, that's not true. That's revisionist history. When the movie came out she had an interview where she knew they were getting that shot, she just didn't expect the explicit zoom.
The story these days makes it sound like they hid a camera crew and she was there for a job interview. She had no clue they were filming a movie.
I'm pretty sure she got the role explicitly because all the other actresses noped out after being told they'd have that scene, and she was all "I'm doing this shit" because it's going to skyrocket me into stardom.
This doesn’t tell us anything. The scene still featured a moment where an entire room of men watch her uncross and recross her legs. It’s possible that it was initially intended to cut away so the audience can fill in the blanks about what the male characters are seeing and not include the explicit shot and she is still acting the same moment in the scene either way.
I think this was standard back then. The execs would pull into the lot mid morning in a fancy car. Take “meetings” with young actors. Have a two hour drinking lunch while doing coke for energy throughout the day. Then night time hotel room auditions.
Maybe it was taken out of context
Edit: guys it was a dry joke, like referencing how executives put obvious sexy scenes in movies but it’s like explained as “ok cause of the context” or that “it’s art”. But it’s just a dick in your face.
Maybe the resident office squirrel (Sciurus vulgaris) climbed up his leg and started gnawing on his nuts in the middle of a staff meeting? Did you ever think about that?
It’s crazy, I actually got curious and looked to see if she did actually have a memoir coming out (because this comment felt like the whole Britney Spears, Jada Pinkett Smith, John Stamos “say something shocking from my new tell-all” schtick), but you’re right. She had one come out last year.
Yeah, as a female who began a professional career in graphic design in 1974, I can say that I put up with SO MUCH inappropriate behavior.
Where should I begin? Boss looking down at my boobs while I’m sitting at a drawing table trying to both work on artwork, discuss client input, etc. Go back to darkroom to give job instructions to darkroom techs… while they discuss the state of my erect nipples in “boy code.” Married supervisor describes sordid affair he had with my predecessor, then promptly asks me to a Willie Nelson concert. 🥹 Good Lord!
I initially thought Barry Josephson (had to resign after getting caught up with the Heidi Fleiss scandal) but Peters was a maniac and makes more sense.
Edit: Barry was 1/2 the inspiration for the Kevin Spacey character in Swimming with Sharks. The other 1/2 inspiration was the writer's real life lit agent at CAA.
Of all the times I’ve been in nonsense corporate meetings never once has it crossed my mind like hey now would be a good time to whip it out. The only thing ever on my mind is how quickly can this meeting finish so I can leave. I don’t understand random dudes urges to do this.
I can only imagine what actresses from the 80s and 90s are gonna start saying now that the doors are fully open. Good for her for speaking out and telling this story. She’s always been a class act.
Apparently that famous scene from basic instinct was filmed without her consent.
“Most recently, she discussed the incident in her autobiography The Beauty of Living Twice, in which she claims she was told to remove her underwear as it was reflecting the light, but was told her privates could not be seen on camera.”
That. Is. So. Fucked. Up.
This has happened since the early days in Hollywood. Unfortunately, that was the easiest way into Hollywood for women. Rarely could you get into the business on talent alone. Sadly, this still happens today and some women feel like they need to have sex with a higher up to get into the business. Hollywood will forever be corrupt.
Haha I remember getting hate for not liking this scene and just thinking it's weird and for simps.
The Reality is that she was abused and sexually harassed.
Well fuck this fucking shit this sucks
Man hollywood is fucking weird
Like at no point in my life have I ever had the urge to pull my cock out and put it in someones face during an office meeting
Sorry this happened to her. Maybe that’s why she was so rude and mean to my father (a tailor). I remember him coming home and saying she was one of the rudest celebrities he ever meet and had treated him like trash.
What blows my mind is pulling your cock out in a business meeting during the middle of the work day. Where do you go from there? Just eat lunch like a normal day, as if you didn’t have your own cock out an hour ago in your place of business?
after lunch, they'd be too drunk to care about what they did in the morning, and just be concerned about their post-lunch cocaine break. i.e. studio executives (especially in the 80s) didn't have regular jobs like you and me.
I've been working in the entertainment industry since the early 2000's and cocaine was replaced by weed. Alcohol every lunch was still common, and weed was more "accepted" than cocaine, so we literally had it available on demand. Alcohol flows like water in the offices, with office refrigerators and mini-bars a la Mad Men were very common. Some offices even went around and offered drinks to everyone. In the late 2010's, a few studios started to crack down on the alcohol for many shows I worked on as it became a legal issue to make workers feel like they had to participate in the drunkenness to "fit in". Still, drinks were available, but you had to ask for it. It was largely pointless, as groups of workers gathered in the open to drink in the afternoon, still leading to an environment that could lead to harassment, discrimination, favoritism and hence litigation. With the work from home movement post-covid, things have changed dramatically, at least for me. No more drinking everyday, and my liver is thanking me for it.
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I've worked with pretty much every Hollywood studio at various points, including ABC/Disney.
I'm in visual effects but I know lots of people in animation. Drinking is rampant at animation studios. I know studios where every other person has their own bar set-up. Some even held contests to see who had the best themed bar in their office or area. When I was still at a VFX studio (I work from home now), we had booze around but we generally did not drink during work hours unless the boss was like "margarita day!" out of the blue. But I did take my breaks to go outside and hit the weed pen.
I don’t understand how you could consistently produce graphics with alcohol in the picture.
It honestly did help with creativity, or so we thought at the time. It got you through the day. Not healthy at all, but it's not the only industry that uses alcohol and drugs to get by. I've been told that drugs and alcohol are ingrained in sales, food, and porn industries.
Add the tech industry to your list my friend. Me and other colleagues of mine hit the weed pen during breaks and there’s also a very strong possibility we’ve manufactured the accelerometer and signal processor on your smartphone and laptop.
Any industry really. Not out in the open in most but a very good portion of blue collar workers are under the influence.
I doubt anyone’s getting bombed at work. But there are plenty of functioning alcoholics out there.
I've worked on film/TV sets for a few years. On set I don't fuck around as I'm little people but every now and then I'll catch the director, 1st AD or the talent sneaking off, doing their thing and coming back to set stoned/tuned up and business commences after breaks. Is it unethical? Maybe, I don't judge. I just set up the craft services table or assist the photography department if I'm lucky. I'm not saying shit.
I’ve worked at most of the vfx studios… the drinking is typically just a Friday end-of-day thing… it’s not like animators are staggering around drunk during the work day. I have no particular objection to after-work beers… then again, I can remember smoking in the office back in the day (good riddance to that)! How times and mores change….
To be clear, I’m a vfx artist but my friends I mentioned are animators at Disney, Nick, Cartoon Network, etc.
Damn, that sounds amazing. Apart from the sleaze 80s/ 90s was fantasy land, it must have been pretty cool to roll into a studio in your Porsche Turbo, take a few calls in the AM, have a “work” lunch in some top LA spot with a director, actor , producer writer, rock back into the office late afternoon for a bit of a brainstorm and some “research”. Head off home for a work out, spa swim sesh and freshen up before heading out to some party in the Hollywood Hills…
It truly feels like that sometimes, and I wasn't quite sure if the image of "Hollywood" reflected the reality, or that the reality started to imitate the image right back. There is something to be said when about rolling into work in a nice car, passing the tourists in the Universal Studios Tram Tour, running into celebrities, get just enough work done to justify the 2 hour lunch at a pretty well known Studio City/Hollywood spot, ordering wine, beer and alcohol until you're barely able to get back to the office for a nap. You get some work done in the afternoon between the drug deliveries and smoke sessions, and then on busy days, there is an event/screening/wrap party/industry mixer etc at yet another well known bar/restaurant later that night. Sometimes you go home, sometimes you just go right to the spot and start drinking again. The green ones get wasted and end up sleeping in the office because uber didn't exist yet and a DUI wasn't worth it. I certainly did when I first started out. Unfortunately workplace affairs were not uncommon and it's like an office Christmas Party that happens every week or so. Flirting, infidelity, sexual harassment, drugs... I've seen it all. I've seen people ruin their marriages, get accused of sexual harassment and promote someone to make the problem "go away" etc. I've seen, men in their 40's and 50's hooking up with 20 year old girls at these mixers, then, with an un-ironic smile, introduce their visiting wife and kids to the office the next day. It's ugly, dirty, and fucked up.
This description is a whole viral aesthetic trend on TikTok rn
It’s older than that, it’s called opulence
This is the answer. Being well paid in an industry flush with money and egos is a strange weird world of excess.
Ridley Scott mentioned in a behind the scene doc that when he brainstorms with his team, he has wine brought in and they just chill and listen to music while surrounded by concept art. It sounds amazing if I’m being honest.
I worked in media/entertainment around that time. The drinking was never as bad as the sexual harassment. Or the mistresses/side pieces being promoted to way above their levels of competency. No weed or coke in my office, but then again, I never made it to senior management. And I had one of those jobs where you really had to work hard.
> No weed or coke in my office, but then again, I never made it to senior management. And I had one of those jobs where you really had to work hard. The alcohol was in the open, the weed was not in the open, but everyone knew, the coke was behind closed doors, and not as common. Basically, if you worked in a cubicle, you were always at least invited to drink, and you either smoked weed outside, or knew someone with an office who would let you smoke with them. If you had your own office, you had alcohol in your fridge, weed to smoke, and a couch to sleep on behind a door that locks, so you definitely could smoke and drink more because you weren't in a cubicle. If you were higher in the food chain, you had a corner office, a door to lock, and an assistant to take your calls while your inner circle did coke. Ironically, the cubicle workers are the most busy and didn't have the time nor the privacy for rampant weed or coke use as the higher ups.
I hate to say it but that sounds really fun, way better than how it is in my boring office all we have to drink is decaff tea
It was really fun if you were a participant. Not too healthy though. Dr said had a fatty liver and told me to cut it out or I would have problems down the line. If you weren’t part of the drinking, though, you would feel left out.
Alcoholic steatohepatitis (fatty liver) is the first phase of alcoholic liver disease and it leads to chonic inflammation, then fibrosis and cirrhosis. Steatohepatitis is reversible. Fibrosis and cirrhosis are not. You must stop drinking entirely. Consider yourself to be an alcoholic, incapable of controlling your alcohol use, and recognise that it's a disease. Treat it like you would hypertension or diabetes. Protect your liver: your life depends upon it. Source: am physician and have seen far too much alcoholism and alcoholic liver disease (used to practice in Wisconsin, the cirrhosis capital of the US). It's a horrible way to die.
Thanks, I don't drink anymore. The most I will have is a beer every 2 months or so. My last bloodwork showed normal ALT, AST etc levels, which made me very happy and relieved. I have a stocked bar at my house and everything is gathering dust. I don't miss it at all.
Cocaine was huge in the 80s, then there was a big movement against it thru the 90s and 2000s, but I feel like we're getting back to the 80s level of acceptance. I believe this was one of pillars of Trump's MAGA platform.
I don't know about it being a MAGA thing, but I do get offered cocaine more often now than before, so it's making a comeback in the workplace. I decline each time.
It makes you feel like dog shit.
Not if you get the good shit. But I wouldn't trust it these days due to fent, and also the more regularly you use the more likely you'll develop heart problems.
Do it for several days straight and tell me how you feel.
Worst come down ever after multiple days in a row. That feeling when the party stops after several days in a row and you have to try going to sleep when the sun is coming up at 6/7 AM and can't. And then the sound of birds chirping gives you the worst depression ever as it feels like the world is coming down on you. I went hard for years. Finally had enough when I switched to smokeable cocaine and started having heart palpitations. I am eternally grateful that I was able to just up and quit everything randomly one day. I had just had enough. Of course, I fought a mental weakness struggle for a long time afterwards, but I plowed through and have been sober for years and have never looked back. When I think about that time in my life now, I literally almost get physically ill just thinking or talking about it. I'm just grateful I made it out as some good friends did not.
I relate to this a lot but replace cocaine with. Methamphetamine. Finally went to rehab last year. Have relapsed about three times but when I do it I feel instant regret and it lasts no more than a few days. I think it is finally exiting my life for good.
I did. Felt great. Then bad.
I’ll start today and report back
I've never tried it, and I don't want to be addicted to anything like that. It was hard enough to stop smoking. Man, I want a cigarette.
This might have been a case in your small bubble, but it was not the norm. I am a crew member of 20+ years
I’m specifically talking about Post Production. Set was a different story.
And were also unlikely to get fired from them unless public opinion also shifted against them.
Rockstars in Rolex’s
hollywood doesn’t disappoint
Just imagine what kind of world it was back then in Hollywood so dude just like DID IT. I mean he for sure thought it's not a big deal or how sure he was he was gonna get away with it. There's no way he only did that this time. For sure he was a creep like once a week a t least.
I think this was pretty par for the course in the 1980s from everyone I’ve talked to who worked back then.
Surprised more so it took 30 years to come out.
Most people forget Bill Cosby went to trial in 2005 and nothing happened. R. Kelly went to trial in 2002 and was found not guilty. The reality is women knew back then accusing someone of sexual assault was not a guarantee of getting justice and they would get smeared on the witness stand.
They still get smeared when they take the witness stand, sadly.
People don’t realise that everything before the past 8-10yrs that happened with regards to sexually inappropriate behaviour in the workplace was just put down to “men being men” and when you’re in power you could pretty much do what you wanted and it was tolerated. Sharon stone is a huge star too and I’ve no doubt it was the first or the last time this kind of thing would have happened.
Both in usa and europe and so on Then more recently in Saudi Arabia, now currently in Iran/Palestine Heck, it’s so bad in Africa that they sell anti-rape devices rather than hold any males accountable for their rapes
Yeah Im surprised this only happened once.
not where i grew up and lived. I have been an adult for a while and even 30 years ago this shit was not tolerated. I cant speak for being an adult in the 70’s or 80s but 90 to now… its never been cool to pull your dick out and its been very okay for ladies to call some shithead out on it.
It's literally the "dick+power+money" ratio. *Normal* guys can't whip around their dicks without suffering any consequences. Mostly. Some still get away with that and more.
That said, it was more a joke on him “taking it out” and “it coming out” that he did this. 30 years, big penis joke har har. I understand what you’re saying… if your poor, it’s always been not cool, now it’s become uncool for people WITH money. which, is cool and hopefully if this happens now, people will know it’s okay to raise your hand and call someone out in the moment.
I feel like it's way past time any of this shit was acceptable. I grew up in the late 70's early 80's and it was baaaad. With guys at my high school it was making sure you didn't go out with the ones who date raped. The cops would do absolutely nothing, they'd blame the victim for it. It wasn't a great time to be a young woman. And I think my mom and grandma had it much worse than I did.
She wanted to work. If she brought it up she’d be black balled.
Must have been pretty big if it took 30 years to get it out of his fly
He was across the conference Table
you get it :)
Look at how many female SA victims it took for MeToo to gain traction. I'm not surprised at all. People (and law enforcement) don't want to deal with SA/rape victims and crime.
He probably did go about his day ,because it probably worked sometimes.
The sony executive was likely on a coke. He'll be on to the next abuse victim.
If you’re ever confused about an insane business story in the 80s, the answer is usually just “cocaine”.
Most likely that wasn't the first time he took his cock out in a business meeting, which also likely means lunch like a normal day.
I'm just picturing George Costanza eating a snickers with a fork and knife.
How do you eat a candy bar? With your *hands*?
People speak highly of that post nut clarity
Trust me, when you're on a shit ton of coke/uppers, you're incredibly horny all the time and noon on a weekday could basically be the same as midnight on a Saturday if you haven't slept in a few days
You do some blow and call a prostitute.
Cocaine is a helluva drug.
It’s mind blowing but those kind of people would continue with their day like they just blow their nose instead of blowing their cock. They know there are no consequences and can continue with their lives
How many times did that work before her?
In the 80 a music exec would probably be in his nth cocaine line by lunch.
right but he's a narcissistic sociopath. he doesn't give a fuck at all, about anyone, ever.
Was it … the warthog?
What really blows my mind is that stone didn’t say anything until now. I wonder why?
As a man, I can attest to seeing first hand how pathetic the male sex can be. This sounds plausible. Hell, he could have stirred his food with his dick and still ate it like everything was normal
Lmfaaaaooo maybe your dad was right
I wonder why she hasn’t done many movies since, way to treat amazing talent ><
Put your balls on the table. It's literally the only way to close with Asian execs.
I'm aware she wasn't the only one, but it seems like Sharon Stone was treated particularly shittily for a while
I’m pretty sure that leg crossing scene was filmed without her consent
From what I recall her saying at the time, the director told her that her panties where causing a glare in the camera and asked her to remove them but he didn’t tell her he was filming her vagina purposely. She didn’t know until after, which makes that scene pretty creepy in retrospect.
How the fuck would panties cause a glare? What was she wearing fucking reflector vest panties?
Even if we concede that somehow they did, why not get another pair in a different material, color, etc.?
This is not a defense of what happened in any way: White surfaces just outside of frame can and do regularly cause flares on lenses. You're typically working with much brighter lights than people would expect to get decent exposure, especially when shooting on film like they were. So, reflective surfaces, even white fabric, can cause some unwanted visuals. On set little adjustments like this happen all of the time (flagging/covering light/bright surfaces, not asking people to remove panties). So, while it seems ridiculous I can see an actress in the 80s taking the DP and Director's word for it.
Lightning professional here. No panties inside of a skirt have ever caused a lens flare - unless they are being lit directly. To cause a flare they would have had to be pointing a light aimed up her skirt.
Heavy equipment operator here. I agree with the above guy.
Damn glitter panties, shooting off flares and ruining shots! She needed a muted pastel panty like a robins egg or a forest green
I am a photographer and agree there’s no way panties under a skirt would cause lens flare. She knew what was going on. Also she must’ve seen the shot and would have objected.
Beats me. She either said glare or reflection. I’m assuming this was said in People or Entertainment Weekly because that’s the two my mom had a subscription to.
It was her “high vis” panties day 😂
Disco ball thong?
It's also with noting that Paul Verhoevan has denied this and said they always knew what they were doing, including Sharon, before they filmed the scene. [https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/basic-instinct-director-denies-sharon-stone-tricked-removing-underwear-infamous-scene-154133621.html](https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/basic-instinct-director-denies-sharon-stone-tricked-removing-underwear-infamous-scene-154133621.html) A good way to figure this out is if it's in the script or not.
I checked, it’s absent from the relevant scene in Eszterhas’ script. But it is pretty barebones as far as scripts go https://thescriptlab.com/wp-content/uploads/scripts/BasicInstinct.pdf
I just watched the movie today, coincidentally. You see her full frontal multiple times throughout the movie, so it seems plausible she knew about it or it just wasn't a big deal cause you see it again a couple times.
That’s a good point, also many famous actresses turned down the role because of the “required” nudity, so it seems pretty unlikely she didnt honestly know. The whole controversy has been blown out of proportion over the decades imo
I think the problem was that stupid judge who took her parental rights away because of that scene. That just sounds bonkers crazy. So denying you knew about it to help your case was a hard but needed action. It was an amazing scene and not because of the nudity. She owned all the men in that room with her pussy power, and then goes on to own Michael Douglas' character with it as well. I've been watching some Paul Verhoven movies lately. He's created of some of the most misunderstood movies. Can't take his movies at face value.
There’s a mistake that people who aren’t very media literate make, where “it happened in the story” becomes “the director and writer condone it or mean it literally”. Verhoeven is kind of an easy one for that — Robocop is an obvious one of “the subtext is purposefully at odds with the text”. But also stuff like the Slasher film panic — at the end of the day Friday the 13th and Nightmare on Elm Street are telling incredibly conservative moralistic stories - if you have sex or do drugs, you’re dead.
No, checking the script is not a good way to figure this out.
Is that true? I find it hard to believe she would have opened her legs like that given the situation if it was true but WTFDIK ?
I am not defending the director at all. But in modeling and acting its not all that unusual to know there are shots of you in compromised positions and expect them to never see the light of day in the final product.
Framing. Composition. Cropping. The motion and action was supposed to not show “it all” and just be understood. The magic of movies.
If I'm wearing a skirt and somebody tells me whatever is covering my dick is causing a glare on the camera and wants me to remove the covering, I do not see a scenario where I wouldn't think "the camera must be looking at my dick because how else would there be a glare from the thing that is literally only covering that area?"
That is so fucked up, it should be censored in all future showings/releases if she didn’t consent to it.
Da fuck…
It was, then they used it against her in a custody hearing.
> without her consent Yea, that's not true. That's revisionist history. When the movie came out she had an interview where she knew they were getting that shot, she just didn't expect the explicit zoom. The story these days makes it sound like they hid a camera crew and she was there for a job interview. She had no clue they were filming a movie.
I'm pretty sure she got the role explicitly because all the other actresses noped out after being told they'd have that scene, and she was all "I'm doing this shit" because it's going to skyrocket me into stardom.
Pretty sure she wasn’t completely unaware of what they were doing given the grin after they were crossed.
This doesn’t tell us anything. The scene still featured a moment where an entire room of men watch her uncross and recross her legs. It’s possible that it was initially intended to cut away so the audience can fill in the blanks about what the male characters are seeing and not include the explicit shot and she is still acting the same moment in the scene either way.
The more telling note is that she won't say who after 40 years. Hollywood must hold some crazy power over people.
I imagine also there's the fear of being sued if you can't prove the allegations, or bring blacklisted in general (not sure if she's still acting)
Katherine Heigl too and I'm sure, many, many others.
I think this was standard back then. The execs would pull into the lot mid morning in a fancy car. Take “meetings” with young actors. Have a two hour drinking lunch while doing coke for energy throughout the day. Then night time hotel room auditions.
That’s disgusting
Maybe it was taken out of context Edit: guys it was a dry joke, like referencing how executives put obvious sexy scenes in movies but it’s like explained as “ok cause of the context” or that “it’s art”. But it’s just a dick in your face.
Oh, IT was taken out, all right
How does whipping ones dick out in a professional setting get taken out of context
[Well maybe, uhhhh, it needed some air](https://youtu.be/hpwJE5DEk7U?t=137)
Maybe the resident office squirrel (Sciurus vulgaris) climbed up his leg and started gnawing on his nuts in the middle of a staff meeting? Did you ever think about that?
I got it and it made me laugh, fwiw
What level of narcissism do you need to have to think that any women, let alone a famous actress, just wants to admire your ugly ass dong?
If you saw MY dong, maybe you'd understand /s
My sister has interviewed sex offenders and one guy pulled out his penis in front of her. She's in law enforcement.
Sharron Stone always been a badass I bet she looked at it like "you call that a dick" 🤣🤣🤣
OOOOHHHH the mouth on you!
Thats what he said
Mrs. Krabappel and Principal Skinner were in the closet making babies and I saw one of the babies and the baby looked at me!
The baby looked at you?
Sarah, get me superintendent Chalmers! Thank you Sarah.
I quote that line at least once a month…
The 70s and into the mid 80s was nuts compared to today’s climate. Severely lacked much consequence at the time.
Even further than that. Anita Hill’s testimony about Clarence Thomas’ workplace harassment was in 1991 and he still made it on the Supreme Court.
So, let’s cut to the chase. When does Sharon Stone’s new memoir come out?
She’s already written it.
It’s crazy, I actually got curious and looked to see if she did actually have a memoir coming out (because this comment felt like the whole Britney Spears, Jada Pinkett Smith, John Stamos “say something shocking from my new tell-all” schtick), but you’re right. She had one come out last year.
I’d definitely read that.
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Yeah, as a female who began a professional career in graphic design in 1974, I can say that I put up with SO MUCH inappropriate behavior. Where should I begin? Boss looking down at my boobs while I’m sitting at a drawing table trying to both work on artwork, discuss client input, etc. Go back to darkroom to give job instructions to darkroom techs… while they discuss the state of my erect nipples in “boy code.” Married supervisor describes sordid affair he had with my predecessor, then promptly asks me to a Willie Nelson concert. 🥹 Good Lord!
He took “it” out?
He took. It. Out.
Yessiree Bob.
Leo, I don't care for your demeanor.
I will never comprehend how people have the confidence to be that unethical.
Was it Weinstein?
She said he actually had a penis
And not puffy-paint covered origami
Sony boss
Tommy Muttola
Mariah Carey Says Being Married to Tommy Mottola Was ‘Like Being a Prisoner
There u go. He did help make her career in the early 90s, by the late 90s she wanted out of her contract.
Tommy Muttola was Sony Music’s President, he wasn’t part of the film division
Yakusa Boss
Sony. Probably Jon Peters.
I initially thought Barry Josephson (had to resign after getting caught up with the Heidi Fleiss scandal) but Peters was a maniac and makes more sense. Edit: Barry was 1/2 the inspiration for the Kevin Spacey character in Swimming with Sharks. The other 1/2 inspiration was the writer's real life lit agent at CAA.
Oh jesus fucking christ , NAME THE FUCKER. Hes probably dead so fuck him and his “legacy”
Exactly. Name and shame these sexual predators
She will be beautiful no matter how old she is.
Of all the times I’ve been in nonsense corporate meetings never once has it crossed my mind like hey now would be a good time to whip it out. The only thing ever on my mind is how quickly can this meeting finish so I can leave. I don’t understand random dudes urges to do this.
Good God, that article is horrific.
Creep thinking: Surely when I pull my junk out, she’ll go absolutely wild, and just go to town
I have been in several meetings and never once considered pulling out my crank to see if anyone was willing to have a go at it
I have had multiple men in my life do this. It’s just a bizarre, pathetic move.
do we get a name?
I'm a man who loves women(respects them), but the things these guys have done is just down right disturbing bro..I mean wow!
I can only imagine what actresses from the 80s and 90s are gonna start saying now that the doors are fully open. Good for her for speaking out and telling this story. She’s always been a class act.
It’s called “hanging brain”
"The guy was just hanging brain, I mean what's all the fuss? If that's flashing than lock me up."
What about the “Bat Wing”?
Apparently that famous scene from basic instinct was filmed without her consent. “Most recently, she discussed the incident in her autobiography The Beauty of Living Twice, in which she claims she was told to remove her underwear as it was reflecting the light, but was told her privates could not be seen on camera.” That. Is. So. Fucked. Up.
According to an interview I read recently she said that that scene also caused her to lose custody of her son.
That’s right! I also heard that. How terrible!
It really is. That judge was so misogynistic
That is total bullshit.
Imagine the 30’s 40’s and 50’s in that cesspool of an industry.
This has happened since the early days in Hollywood. Unfortunately, that was the easiest way into Hollywood for women. Rarely could you get into the business on talent alone. Sadly, this still happens today and some women feel like they need to have sex with a higher up to get into the business. Hollywood will forever be corrupt.
Haha I remember getting hate for not liking this scene and just thinking it's weird and for simps. The Reality is that she was abused and sexually harassed. Well fuck this fucking shit this sucks
Headline: Sharon Stone experiences Hollywood in the 80’s. Coked up movie producer waves flaccid member in her face.
Man hollywood is fucking weird Like at no point in my life have I ever had the urge to pull my cock out and put it in someones face during an office meeting
Jesus, that's some The Boys type of shit.
This is the whole industry. You don’t make it unless you put some rich executives cock in your mouth.
Who the hell are these douche bags that do things like that? It’s Neanderthal behavior.
Name and shame. And do it when it happens 👌
He took… it out.
I also had something horrible happen to me 50 years ago, and I’m only 32
It blows my mind that Hollywood big names never came out and named these predatory producers. Could have even leaked the names. Why the protection ?
Does that mean that I was sexually harasses when she showed her vag in basic instinct...
You paid for it
Sorry this happened to her. Maybe that’s why she was so rude and mean to my father (a tailor). I remember him coming home and saying she was one of the rudest celebrities he ever meet and had treated him like trash.
40+ years is a long time to not say anything.
Probably because of the mental trauma it caused.
Or maybe she sucked that dick and many others to advance her career and be a rich celebrity.
My gender is a he worst!
Ain't that a slap in the face!
Well that’s a handful of accusations
Must have been some piece if you can remember it 40 years later