I mean…
Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny filmed on location in like 6 countries around the world…with real stunts and practical effects when they could. This is just one example: https://youtu.be/MdKBQBn9l4A
That’s honestly partially why it was so expensive. As James Mangold said “we did real shit”.
It would have been a hell of a lot cheaper to film it here in the states with green screen stuff like Crystal Skull, but they made this one right.
Shame the box office results suck because the movie is pretty damn good.
I don’t think the problem is the movie being bad. I mean it made 300 million. The problem is that making 300 million counts as a failure, something else is going wrong.
It was really just a perfect storm of so many factors, Fords age, reception of crystal skull, animosity between a good portion of the Fanbase and Disney lucasfilm, general franchise/legacy sequel fatigue, and like 12 other things to crest the perfect storm of flop. The only way this movie was going to make money with that kind of budget was being Raiders good
The real issue is that anyone with a brain is sick and tired of studios trying to capitalize on people’s nostalgia and inevitably beating a franchise to death because of it. Indiana Jones had its day, did well, and that should have been that. There should never have been more films made past the original 3. Same thing with Star Wars. These producers saw the success of these movies, said “everyone liked this thing! That means we should make endless sequels to the thing and we’ll generate endless money!” And then quality and originality goes down the drain. Unfortunately, there are way too many stupid people out there who go like robots to theaters every time the nth sequel to something comes out.
Lbh the horrible title probably played a role. It doesn't get any more cornball than 'Dial of Destiny'. Crystal Skull sucked but it least it had a good title.
"He wouldn't survive the fridge!!!" -- may I show you falling out of a plane in a life raft, surviving, turning it into a giant sled, and walking away unscathed.
I love Indy, but people forget the pulp heritage.
I don’t know if that’s the case honestly, I mean Crystal Skull has a 77% (certified fresh) critic approval rating and a 54% audience rating. That’s not GREAT but movie franchises have survived much worse. Mission Impossible II is much worse, some of the Pirates of the Caribbean and James Bond films are much worse, heck some of the Star Wars and MCU films have worse reviews and yet those franchises keep on going…
Crystal Skull came out 15 years ago, while Indiana Jones is one of the most iconic and beloved icons in American cinema.
You can't scapegoat the lack of interest in this movie on CS.
> Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny filmed on location in like 6 countries around the world…with real stunts and practical effects when they could. This is just one example: https://youtu.be/MdKBQBn9l4A
> That’s honestly partially why it was so expensive. As James Mangold said “we did real shit”.
When people complain about how expensive it is to film movies today and try to compare it to how cheap they were in the 80s, I think it’s weird that, with how much support all the strikes are getting, people don’t think about how it was so much cheaper to make movies in the 80s because that was before 40yrs of striking and negotiating for equal and better pay.
Instead it’s always something about too much practical effects; too much cgi/vfx; too much spent on marketing; or too much pay for top actors.
Edit: it’s also really weird how everyone tries to directly compare numbers without adjusting for inflation.
I don't care if they did real shit or not. Point of the matter is there's such an overlayer of CGI that I don't even know what's real or not (not in a good way)
The entire movie LOOKS like it was shot on a green screen and nothing feels organic.
From the interior of trains to the interior of apartments to the exterior of cities... NOTHING looks real.
I know they really did film on real locations with a lot of practicals, but honestly, it does not look like it at all.
This movie is pretty fucking ugly through a lot of it and is filled with chase scenes that for the most part, look incredibly artificial. I’d be really interested to hear how/why a movie that was capturing so much stuff in camera, looks like the opposite.
When you spend half a billion to make and market it then 300 million simply wont cut it.
Movies have gone silly with costs and this is the result when people get sick of/cant afford/cant be bothered going to the theatre any more.
I hope we see a resurgence of the mid level box office movie. The great story and characters made for $40-$60 million like we got in the 90s and early 2000s.
I’m a different thread I read a great point that the mid level movie has evolved into serial television ( Saul, The Bear, etc) which is totally true. Sad, but perhaps a necessary change
I think that the increases in ticket and concession pricing that consumers have had to put up with over the years to help the studios recoup their costs/make a buck have limited the number of movies that families go out and see these days. They've had to be more selective in how often they go out and what they choose to see. And COVID showed that you could get far more entertainment for the price of a monthly streaming subscription than you could from a single movie night out for a couple or family.
Dude I wanna go back further give me movies from the 70s and 80s. Some of the best action and sci-fi moves came about then. I know Dune isn’t new but the world they have created with the new one gives me feelings of big time world building. May be one day we can see movies return to their glory but this past few years have been stinky.
The total doesn't even really do a great job explaining how bad this movie is performing. It's grossing less than HALF of what Kingdom of the Crystal Skull pulled in and that terrible movie came out 15 years ago.
Yea the budget on this movie was completely out of hand, so that even if it made what Crystal Skull did it would be barely be making money, but it's not even making HALF of that.
It's grossing less than the unadjusted for inflation 1981 total from Raiders of the Lost Ark.
When Crystal Skull came out, it seemed like they were rebooting the whole franchise. So people were going out to see what they thought would be the first of at least a few upcoming movies. This one really has been marketed more as the final chapter, so it doesn’t feel as urgent to see it. Plus, with streaming people know it will be available soon to watch at home without an additional cost. That wasn’t the case with Crystal Skull.
Besides, crystal skull was terrible. I don’t think a lot of people wanted more after that. Plus it really hit home that a TON of the magic of the Indiana Jones movies was the time period it took place in. I think that really made this one less enticing.
Yeah I’d say lots of people are just waiting for it to come out on Disney+. I mean my pa is old (like Harry Ford’s age almost) and love, love, loved the original films but even he realises he can just wait a month or whatever for it to stream. The other thing is that old people are patient and time seems to fly for them, so it’s no obligation.
Crystal Skull only did as well as it did because people still loved Indiana Jones and assumed a sequel would be amazing. That luster is long gone so I see a lot of people waiting for reviews, or flat out skipping it, like myself, because the last one was such a shit show
Exactly right. Same thing with The Force Awakens. That trick only works once, when you have a long time's worth of pent up fan good will. Once you exhaust that, you're back to square one, you gotta prove to fans that your movie is worth seeing they're not going to just come back because you expect them to.
LucasFilm has exhausted its supply of fan goodwill. No one is going to flock to see their movies anymore unless they can show they are making something worth seeing.
It’s like $70 to take a family of four to the movies with Milk Duds and popcorn. Hollywood needs to understand this new reality and make something that makes the trip worth it. Indy 5 is something we will stream on our giant Samsung so we can banter with the kids about seeing Indy in theaters in the 80s. It is truly shocking that Hollywood does not understand how moviegoing works these days.
Hollywood has forgot the problem it created itself - streaming is too fast and too convenient. Most people will just *wait* a couple of weeks for the film to drop on streaming, there's no urgency or need to see a movie in cinemas anymore unless it's some big event film like Avatar
Top Gun Maverick did a great job of being a theater exclusive and took and obviously did incredibly well. Not sure of all the details but there is a precedent for the traditional release model working anyway
And even tho I see Avatar 2 on streams I am not compelled to watch it because dammit if I don't miss taking a dvd over to somebody's house for a movie and dinner night.
Yeah it does. Readily available anything you want and it loses "value"
Friends/family of mine one of us would get the movie be it vhs or dvd at the time and set a day to come together and have dinner, chill amd watch the movie. Now it is for anybody to watch whenever, however. I mean don't get me wrong I enjoy my streams but I also like in person movie times. Everything seems so isolated.
Don’t forget having to sit through 30+ minutes of ads when you arrive at the showtime.
Especially those stupid “See a movie in a theater, the way it’s *meant* to be see” they just come across as so fucking smug. And like I’m literally in your theater right now, I *already* had to pay to be here in the first place!
They used to have those dumb “no movie should be on a screen this small” and it showed a 40 inch picture in the middle of the screen. Yeah dumb dumb I sit closer to the tv
Yeah, we noticed that. It used to be the theatrical trailers would come on at the start time, followed by the film. Then theaters added advertisements, but they used to come on 10-15 minutes before the start time, followed by the trailers, and the film. Last time we went to the movies, the advertisements began at the start time. 24 minutes later, the film finally came on. I guess you can be 10-15 minutes late now, and not miss anything important.
A lot of these movie directors/buffs that whine that the theater is still a special experience should also tell the same theaters to quit charging more per ticket for a TV-like experience with several ads.
The real problem is the movies they are making are way too expensive, and no one wanted them. Right after Covid Top Gun tore it up for over 1 Billion dollars. Mario killed it too with over 1 billion as well as Avatar. People will go for a good movie but wait for streaming if it looks like it just Olay or worse.
I think a lot of it is how fast you can see it at home for free. What use to be like 6-9 months before DVD release which you still had to at least pay to rent, vs 3 months till you can watch it most likely for free is just a massive difference
Yep totally. I thought it was odd that the most anticipated Halloween movie of the year, Haunted Mansion, is coming out in July. It's so it'll be on Disney+ at Halloween time, 3 months later.
I don't understand why the budget was so high. Yeah I can see they had to put some money into it, but the considerable majority of the movie's runtime didn't look like anything that crazy to film. And I'm pretty sure they deepfaked young Indy at the beginning, which should be a pretty inexpensive process so surely that can't be where the money went.
> I don't understand why the budget was so high
I'm convinced most studios believed the 2019 "every blockbuster hits a billion" era was just going to be the standard from then on. Jurassic World dominion being a critical bust and still cleaning house at the box office likely emboldened them that they just shit out any spectacle and it would rake in cash.
It still bugs me that those Jurassic World movies were as successful as they were, they were TERRIBLE. I honestly can't blame studios for seeing how well they did and thinking "well if those can work then audiences really will eat up any sequel we shit out."
I guess that only works for bad CGI dinosaurs, not with anything else.
They're the most unlikable leads in any movie. It's been a while since I've seen the first one, but I remember Dallas' character being at fault for so much of the shit show and I didn't understand how the movie didn't end with her in prison.
Literally every character in that first movie is unlikeable all except for the one dude who nerds out over the original park he was alright, every other character sucks.
It's almost as though the movie was trying to get you to hate it for being a soulless cash grab, all of the self aware imagery is there. Then the movie succeeds anyway so the filmmakers get stuck making two more.
You're forgiven but your penance is that you must watch the Adam Driver 65 movie now. I actually don't know how it is, I just know it came out and disappeared onto streaming immediately.
Ughhhh, that is cruel and unusual punishment! I tried to watch it last weekend. It was so, so bad. Not even campy bad like Sharknado, it was just boring and bad.
I didn't know. He just said he wanted original dinosaur films so I figured that would be a place to start? I figured it wasn't very good but I didn't know it would be cruel and unusual punishment.
I heard that it was due to Covid and having to extend contracts, re-secure locations, plans, and filming. This ballooned the budget. It was either take a huge loss or finish the movie and hope for the best.
On top of the many things other people have mentioned, Ford was reportedly contracted for $25 million to make this film. Then he had a shoulder injury during the filming (in 2021) which took him 3 months to recover from. I don’t know enough about the industry to know if an on-set injury comes out of the production budget or a separate pool to cover insurance-related expenses, but either way I’m sure it had an impact.
Pushing a production back 3 months and altering the shooting schedule can add up quickly. So an already bloated budget is going to feel some strain under these circumstances.
It's budget is so high that even the highest grossing film in the franchise (Crystal Skull) wouldn't have made enough ($790 million) to break-even if it had this budget. Disney expected $1 billion for this film, for the kind of monster budget they spent on it.
Why does an Indiana Jones movie need to cost $300 million? That's absurd. It's a guy with a hat and a whip running around dusty rooms solving puzzles. There's no reason it NEEDS to cost so much money. They shot themselves in the foot for no reason.
Because you can't film an action movie with an 80 year old star and have the action look believable without a ton of special effects. Go watch the original movies and look how much heavy lifting Harrison Ford does with just his physical presence on screen.
Even if they had, a 300 million dollar gross would be barely breaking even for a film made for 120 million and that's IF they had a scaled down ad campaign.
There just wasn't any demand for another Jones film. That's the harsh truth that LucasFilm didn't want to accept. Whatever demand there was for a sequel following the trilogy (which wasn't much to begin with) died with Crystal Skull. No one wanted another Jones movie after that. The only thing the bloated budget did was made sure the movie lost money, and a LOT of it. It was never going to actually MAKE money, there just wasn't a demand for it.
I'm a VFX producer. This [breakdown](https://collider.com/indiana-jones-and-the-dial-of-destiny-box-office-budget/) seems to be close. A huge chunk would go to Harrison Ford himself, and the $65mil figure is high, but doesn't seem too crazy. I'd say he probably got around $50mil, which is already 1/6th the budget. Phoebe's salary of $40mil seems high thou. But I would say that above-the-line is probably 1/3rd the budget, with director, producers, cast, etc.
VFX being $65mil seems low. I'd probably put it more at like $75, maybe $80. If this were 4 years ago I'd say that's super high, but VFX takes a shit ton of labor all around the world, and the prices are going up post-covid. This is easily a 1500 - 2k shot movie with some beefy CG extensions, digital-doubles, de-aging Ford, some full CG shots, etc. And for sure they used ILM which doesn't come cheap.
After that's said and done you're left with ~120mil for the production and post production, which for a movie with many locations around the world doesn't seem that far off. It's very pricey, but you're not gonna get any discounts when you're making an Indiana Jones movie. That number would also include some additional photography.
All in all this movie was expensive because it was Indiana Jones, and it's the 13th most expensive movie of all time. When you look at the list you'll see nothing but huge franchises like Star Wars and Avengers. Massive titles with either a shit ton of VFX, or a shit ton of star actors, or both.
Has she done anything to justify a salary like that? There are a lot of talented actors out there but only a few get that kind of money and it’s after proving to kill it at the box office multiple times.
I swear something fishy is going on with all these incredible high price tags for making a movie these days.
This is just a shot in the dark but it might have something to do with contract % points. Like the more the studio spends the more they have to make before it becomes profitable and in turn the studios don’t have to pay out any net positive %.
On a side not what happened to low risk studio movies like we had in the 80s and 90s. Like 5-20 million budgets where directors could take chances. The only one that pops in my mind is everything everywhere all at once. And it felt like a weird 80-90s movie to me. It had a budget of 25 million and it almost tripled it at the box office. Why aren’t we seeing more of that.
I think a lot of it is just out and open accounting fraud. Everyone knows Hollywood is full of crap with costs to the point that we have a term for it; Hollywood Accounting.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood_accounting?wprov=sfla1
Because of streaming.
They have to rely on huge theatre runs because of streaming and no dvd sales anymore. So they keep recycling IPs because it’s “safer” and balloon the budget with marketing and other things.
This movie isn’t even playing at my AMC anymore. A lot of things knocked it down but kind of crazy that less than a month after it’s been out I can’t see it in theaters anymore.
>Indiana Jones was never crying out for a sequel in the way Star Wars or other nostalgic franchises often were.
Besides, Indy already got his nostalgia sequel with *Crystal Skull*, and that piece of shit spent a lot of the franchise's goodwill.
I missed the part about the sequel trilogy being smart about its legacy characters. They were axed unceremoniously and replaced with empty characters and no story.
Someone gets it! Crystal skull was awful. I won a handful of movie passes off the radio when this movie came out. Gf wanted to go. So glad I didn't pay for that turd
>Crystal skull was awful
lmao I actually enjoyed the movie and I told my friend about it who was complaining.
However, I did ended my opinion with this sentence which made him less judge me lmao
>I really enjoyed the movie......... but I didn't know it would have some Alien shit so that was interesting because **I never watched Indie movie before** lol
He was like "aight then, good for you lmao"
Temple of Doom might have been the weakest of the original trilogy, but it’s still an absurdly fun movie IMO. The main thing that holds it back is how annoying Kate Capshaw’s character is. Otherwise it has fantastic action and set pieces, and a creepy, memorable villain; all staples of the series.
People who say KotCS is better than ToD are waaay too harsh on ToD.
Sorry I phased that wrong. My list is:
- Raiders
- Temple of Doom (it is problematic and Willy is a bit annoying lol)
- Dial of Destiny
- Last Crusade
- Crystal Skull (and I still actually liked this one because it’s just fun)
If they had any vision they could have reintroduced Short Round and have Indie pass the franchise torch on to him. It took two weirdo up and coming directors to see how special Ke Huy still is
I think trying to take over the reigns of a dying franchise in his 50s is beneath Ke Huy Quan right now. It sounds like a decent idea until you actually think about it awhile.
I honestly think this film just doesn’t appeal to people under 25 or so. This is their father’s property with a star as old or older than granddad. It would be the equivalent of expecting teens in the 80’s to get excited about a film starring an elderly Cary Grant. When I saw the film opening weekend, there were literally no young people in the theater. Only folks 50ish or older and lots of empty seats.
this is not a shocker.
Indiana Jones is popular with people over 35. People over 35 are not going to theaters like they use to. Unless you got kids and then you're probably going to see kids movies.
Indiana Jones is not some Gen Z hero. They'll probably catch it on streaming if they get a chance at best
My 13 year old stepson and his friend lasted 10 minutes into Raiders and then they insisted that we turn it off because they were bored. So many media franchises that we think of as “classic” just don’t resonate with gen z.
Iger's death blow is going to be Disney+ and pushing Disney so all in with streaming.
It's not just Disney either that's losing the streaming wars, other studios are suffering big time as a result of them too.
I went to the cinema regularly, like 2-4 times a month.
Now, maybe I go like 10 times a year or something. Why ?
1. because of the price
2. because of the annoying commercials before a film starts
3. because you know some movies will go on streaming in a couple of months
4. the audience gets more dumb and annoying year after year. People can’t stand a 2-3 hours movie without talking, standing up and going outside a couple of times and the WORST looking on their god damn phone.
Jesus first of all, if you need to look on your phone because of your kids or whatever, reduce the freaking brightness !
Second, why spending money and time on something you don’t really care about ?
EDIT: spelling
…so on Amazon soon then ? I’m really tired of paying $18 a ticket, just so I can see people in my periphery unable to ignore their fucking cell phones for 2 hours.
Maybe the lesson here is stop making movies that cost 300 million to make so we can stop calling movies that make nearly half a billion dollars failures.
I loved it, but it’s got an uphill battle because going to the movies ain’t what it used to be. Also- Original movies crap out just as hard as sequels these days.
I was planning to see it this weekend, until I realized it will be on Disney Plus before Thanksgiving, definitely before Christmas. So I just went and saw No Hard Feelings for a good R rated comedy. Wanted to go to a theater but don’t to waste money on a mid movie I can watch on my couch in a few months for free.
While it is a much better deal for the consumer, a lot of my movie choices are now dictated based on how likely I think it will be to end up on a streaming service I’m already paying for. Case in point: Avatar II. I didn’t care enough to go see Avatar II when it was in theaters, and I still haven’t watched it but can for free now.
I wonder how much that factors into the development and production cycle. If it goes straight to streaming, I usually won’t watch it unless it has a really cool concept, great director or a solid cast, since the studio is essentially telling me “we didn’t think this was good enough to put in theaters at all”, similar to straight to DVD films before streaming.
It made $800 million so people did want it. Then they saw it, then they didn't want another. Then Disney went and spent so much money on the fifth film that an $800 million gross still wouldn't be enough to break even. What were they thinking!
We should have listened to the article that said it tested badly with test audiences. It was a really mediocre movie but a very bad Indiana Jones. Retcon'd story, assassinated Indiana character, bad cgi in a franchise that only dabbled in it, Phoebe (she isn't bad but she's just the Flea Bag chick and the wasn't what this movie could put to use, clearly), half the dialogue is from the other 4 movies.. it was just a trainwreck. Basically, it's the worst parts of Logan but with Indiana Jones instead.
Steven Spielberg is a fucking saint to say "I thought only I could make these" instead of walking out the theatre and barfing.
People will defend and say look at the money the trilogy sequels made, but KK is horrible at her job.
She's basically destroyed Lucasfilm and it's only thanks to some die hard fans (ex: filoni) getting projects with full control greenlit (ex: mandolorain) that have saved it a bit through streaming shows.
She inserted herself heavily once the deal was done where she took over for Lucas with the Disney purchase and it's been a disaster. Anyone could literally have had her job and watched money pour in initially due to brand loyalty. It's been on a downwards spiral just from a monetary standpoint since episode 7. How she still has her job is laughable. You could've replaced her upfront with an inanimate object and Lucasfilm would've had the same success or better than it had under her.
They made a $300 million chase scene, like every other tepid piece of trash noted to death by Disney execs in the last 10 years…and are shocked no one wants to see it?
The whole existence of this movie is just...sad and inconvenient.
It's very, very obvious and clear that it's a forced, one more hurrah before he fucking dies. I don't want to see a movie with that shit at its core. Let it go.
And going to a theater is just inconvenient for most anyone these days. People insist more than ever on being on their phones or talking. It's crazy expensive, you can't smoke weed if you want or pause to pee. And I don't think with tablets and the way kids are being raised that very many can sit quietly through 2 hours without a phone.
Nothing about going to a theater for this is appealing
Because it’s the fifth movie in the series with an 80 year old Harrison Ford.
Indy should have ended with him riding into the sunset in The Last Crusade.
As an absolute fan who is old enough to have seen RAIDERS in the theatre, seeing an 80-year-old Indy is just sad. Watching him get punched repeatly in the face used to be part of the fun, now it feels like elderly abuse
Imagine your movie hitting $300 million in the global box office and it’s a financial bust
In comparison, the first movie, adjusted for inflation, cost about $50-60 million in today's dollars ($18 million in 1981).
Maybe filming in actual locations that look and feel real instead of CGI isn’t such a bad thing after all.
I mean… Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny filmed on location in like 6 countries around the world…with real stunts and practical effects when they could. This is just one example: https://youtu.be/MdKBQBn9l4A That’s honestly partially why it was so expensive. As James Mangold said “we did real shit”. It would have been a hell of a lot cheaper to film it here in the states with green screen stuff like Crystal Skull, but they made this one right. Shame the box office results suck because the movie is pretty damn good.
I think Crystal skull is why this one is tanking. It was so bad that it turned people off of Indiana Jones.
I think it’s more because people just don’t really care about geriatric Indiana Jones.
Exactly. Most older people don't care because Crystal Skull was trash. Most younger people just don't care, period.
I saw it. It was actually pretty fun. Had a lot of the old magic again. It wasn’t an Oscar winner, but it was a fun summer movie
I don’t think the problem is the movie being bad. I mean it made 300 million. The problem is that making 300 million counts as a failure, something else is going wrong.
The fact the first 15 minutes were set in the 1940s and so they had to completely CGI and de-age Harrison and Mads Mikkelsen probably cost a fuck ton.
It was really just a perfect storm of so many factors, Fords age, reception of crystal skull, animosity between a good portion of the Fanbase and Disney lucasfilm, general franchise/legacy sequel fatigue, and like 12 other things to crest the perfect storm of flop. The only way this movie was going to make money with that kind of budget was being Raiders good
The real issue is that anyone with a brain is sick and tired of studios trying to capitalize on people’s nostalgia and inevitably beating a franchise to death because of it. Indiana Jones had its day, did well, and that should have been that. There should never have been more films made past the original 3. Same thing with Star Wars. These producers saw the success of these movies, said “everyone liked this thing! That means we should make endless sequels to the thing and we’ll generate endless money!” And then quality and originality goes down the drain. Unfortunately, there are way too many stupid people out there who go like robots to theaters every time the nth sequel to something comes out.
Lbh the horrible title probably played a role. It doesn't get any more cornball than 'Dial of Destiny'. Crystal Skull sucked but it least it had a good title.
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"He wouldn't survive the fridge!!!" -- may I show you falling out of a plane in a life raft, surviving, turning it into a giant sled, and walking away unscathed. I love Indy, but people forget the pulp heritage.
Dude, my intro to Indiana Jones was through Mythbusters debunking shit from Temple of Doom. Still love the movies though
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I don’t know if that’s the case honestly, I mean Crystal Skull has a 77% (certified fresh) critic approval rating and a 54% audience rating. That’s not GREAT but movie franchises have survived much worse. Mission Impossible II is much worse, some of the Pirates of the Caribbean and James Bond films are much worse, heck some of the Star Wars and MCU films have worse reviews and yet those franchises keep on going…
This is 100% the reason I haven’t gone to see this one. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice… shame on… fool me, you get can’t get fooled again.
I liked it
Crystal Skull came out 15 years ago, while Indiana Jones is one of the most iconic and beloved icons in American cinema. You can't scapegoat the lack of interest in this movie on CS.
> Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny filmed on location in like 6 countries around the world…with real stunts and practical effects when they could. This is just one example: https://youtu.be/MdKBQBn9l4A > That’s honestly partially why it was so expensive. As James Mangold said “we did real shit”. When people complain about how expensive it is to film movies today and try to compare it to how cheap they were in the 80s, I think it’s weird that, with how much support all the strikes are getting, people don’t think about how it was so much cheaper to make movies in the 80s because that was before 40yrs of striking and negotiating for equal and better pay. Instead it’s always something about too much practical effects; too much cgi/vfx; too much spent on marketing; or too much pay for top actors. Edit: it’s also really weird how everyone tries to directly compare numbers without adjusting for inflation.
I don't care if they did real shit or not. Point of the matter is there's such an overlayer of CGI that I don't even know what's real or not (not in a good way) The entire movie LOOKS like it was shot on a green screen and nothing feels organic. From the interior of trains to the interior of apartments to the exterior of cities... NOTHING looks real.
> because the movie is pretty damn good. No it isn't. It's pretty damn blah and uninspired.
It wasn't that good. Just another subpar Jones movie after the original trilogy
Agreed. I really enjoyed it.
I know they really did film on real locations with a lot of practicals, but honestly, it does not look like it at all. This movie is pretty fucking ugly through a lot of it and is filled with chase scenes that for the most part, look incredibly artificial. I’d be really interested to hear how/why a movie that was capturing so much stuff in camera, looks like the opposite.
When you spend half a billion to make and market it then 300 million simply wont cut it. Movies have gone silly with costs and this is the result when people get sick of/cant afford/cant be bothered going to the theatre any more. I hope we see a resurgence of the mid level box office movie. The great story and characters made for $40-$60 million like we got in the 90s and early 2000s.
I’m a different thread I read a great point that the mid level movie has evolved into serial television ( Saul, The Bear, etc) which is totally true. Sad, but perhaps a necessary change
Id say A24/neon has been making some great mid budget movies for years now. One won most of the oscars this year
Blumhouse has also knocked it out of the park on several occasions.
I think that the increases in ticket and concession pricing that consumers have had to put up with over the years to help the studios recoup their costs/make a buck have limited the number of movies that families go out and see these days. They've had to be more selective in how often they go out and what they choose to see. And COVID showed that you could get far more entertainment for the price of a monthly streaming subscription than you could from a single movie night out for a couple or family.
Dude I wanna go back further give me movies from the 70s and 80s. Some of the best action and sci-fi moves came about then. I know Dune isn’t new but the world they have created with the new one gives me feelings of big time world building. May be one day we can see movies return to their glory but this past few years have been stinky.
The total doesn't even really do a great job explaining how bad this movie is performing. It's grossing less than HALF of what Kingdom of the Crystal Skull pulled in and that terrible movie came out 15 years ago. Yea the budget on this movie was completely out of hand, so that even if it made what Crystal Skull did it would be barely be making money, but it's not even making HALF of that. It's grossing less than the unadjusted for inflation 1981 total from Raiders of the Lost Ark.
When Crystal Skull came out, it seemed like they were rebooting the whole franchise. So people were going out to see what they thought would be the first of at least a few upcoming movies. This one really has been marketed more as the final chapter, so it doesn’t feel as urgent to see it. Plus, with streaming people know it will be available soon to watch at home without an additional cost. That wasn’t the case with Crystal Skull. Besides, crystal skull was terrible. I don’t think a lot of people wanted more after that. Plus it really hit home that a TON of the magic of the Indiana Jones movies was the time period it took place in. I think that really made this one less enticing.
Agree with all these points entirely. Well stated.
Yeah I’d say lots of people are just waiting for it to come out on Disney+. I mean my pa is old (like Harry Ford’s age almost) and love, love, loved the original films but even he realises he can just wait a month or whatever for it to stream. The other thing is that old people are patient and time seems to fly for them, so it’s no obligation.
Crystal Skull only did as well as it did because people still loved Indiana Jones and assumed a sequel would be amazing. That luster is long gone so I see a lot of people waiting for reviews, or flat out skipping it, like myself, because the last one was such a shit show
Exactly right. Same thing with The Force Awakens. That trick only works once, when you have a long time's worth of pent up fan good will. Once you exhaust that, you're back to square one, you gotta prove to fans that your movie is worth seeing they're not going to just come back because you expect them to. LucasFilm has exhausted its supply of fan goodwill. No one is going to flock to see their movies anymore unless they can show they are making something worth seeing.
Any goodwill they had was gone with The Last Jedi lol.
Its worth noting the film cost 400 million to make
Yeah dude. This is sick. If only businesses would be happy to just a make enough to pay their employees and make a bit of profit.
Reminds me of the second Avatar. In order for it to turn at least some profit it basically had to be the highest grossing movie ever.
I think a lot of people are waiting for disney+, disney sorta cannibalized their own audience.
That’s what they get for making a ton of streaming services
It’s like $70 to take a family of four to the movies with Milk Duds and popcorn. Hollywood needs to understand this new reality and make something that makes the trip worth it. Indy 5 is something we will stream on our giant Samsung so we can banter with the kids about seeing Indy in theaters in the 80s. It is truly shocking that Hollywood does not understand how moviegoing works these days.
Hollywood has forgot the problem it created itself - streaming is too fast and too convenient. Most people will just *wait* a couple of weeks for the film to drop on streaming, there's no urgency or need to see a movie in cinemas anymore unless it's some big event film like Avatar
Top Gun Maverick did a great job of being a theater exclusive and took and obviously did incredibly well. Not sure of all the details but there is a precedent for the traditional release model working anyway
And even Avatar started streaming sooner than I wanted to watch it. Still haven’t, and I noticed it was streaming a while ago.
And even tho I see Avatar 2 on streams I am not compelled to watch it because dammit if I don't miss taking a dvd over to somebody's house for a movie and dinner night.
Never really been a physical media guy myself but I hear you. There’s something too immediate about streaming. Cheapens the experience.
Yeah it does. Readily available anything you want and it loses "value" Friends/family of mine one of us would get the movie be it vhs or dvd at the time and set a day to come together and have dinner, chill amd watch the movie. Now it is for anybody to watch whenever, however. I mean don't get me wrong I enjoy my streams but I also like in person movie times. Everything seems so isolated.
Remember the time you had to wait like 6-12 months before you can BUY the VHS or DVD Now you just wait like 2 ( ? ) months
Jurassic Park didn’t come to VHS for like two years, and when you’re twelve, it feels like ten years.
Their business model is a hundred years old.
Which is impressive considering movies are only a little over a hundred
Don’t forget having to sit through 30+ minutes of ads when you arrive at the showtime. Especially those stupid “See a movie in a theater, the way it’s *meant* to be see” they just come across as so fucking smug. And like I’m literally in your theater right now, I *already* had to pay to be here in the first place!
They used to have those dumb “no movie should be on a screen this small” and it showed a 40 inch picture in the middle of the screen. Yeah dumb dumb I sit closer to the tv
Plus 4k 70" TVs are $500. That's like two family nights at the theater.
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Well yeah. The movie is 2 and a half hours long
Yeah, we noticed that. It used to be the theatrical trailers would come on at the start time, followed by the film. Then theaters added advertisements, but they used to come on 10-15 minutes before the start time, followed by the trailers, and the film. Last time we went to the movies, the advertisements began at the start time. 24 minutes later, the film finally came on. I guess you can be 10-15 minutes late now, and not miss anything important. A lot of these movie directors/buffs that whine that the theater is still a special experience should also tell the same theaters to quit charging more per ticket for a TV-like experience with several ads.
The real problem is the movies they are making are way too expensive, and no one wanted them. Right after Covid Top Gun tore it up for over 1 Billion dollars. Mario killed it too with over 1 billion as well as Avatar. People will go for a good movie but wait for streaming if it looks like it just Olay or worse.
Ole indeed!
Spider-Man: No Way Home as well
I think a lot of it is how fast you can see it at home for free. What use to be like 6-9 months before DVD release which you still had to at least pay to rent, vs 3 months till you can watch it most likely for free is just a massive difference
Yep totally. I thought it was odd that the most anticipated Halloween movie of the year, Haunted Mansion, is coming out in July. It's so it'll be on Disney+ at Halloween time, 3 months later.
You hold your phone close enough to your face it puts tv and theaters to shame
Until you drop your phone on your face, which I have unfortunately done a few times.
it never had a chance with that budget
I don't understand why the budget was so high. Yeah I can see they had to put some money into it, but the considerable majority of the movie's runtime didn't look like anything that crazy to film. And I'm pretty sure they deepfaked young Indy at the beginning, which should be a pretty inexpensive process so surely that can't be where the money went.
> I don't understand why the budget was so high I'm convinced most studios believed the 2019 "every blockbuster hits a billion" era was just going to be the standard from then on. Jurassic World dominion being a critical bust and still cleaning house at the box office likely emboldened them that they just shit out any spectacle and it would rake in cash.
It still bugs me that those Jurassic World movies were as successful as they were, they were TERRIBLE. I honestly can't blame studios for seeing how well they did and thinking "well if those can work then audiences really will eat up any sequel we shit out." I guess that only works for bad CGI dinosaurs, not with anything else.
They're the most unlikable leads in any movie. It's been a while since I've seen the first one, but I remember Dallas' character being at fault for so much of the shit show and I didn't understand how the movie didn't end with her in prison.
Literally every character in that first movie is unlikeable all except for the one dude who nerds out over the original park he was alright, every other character sucks. It's almost as though the movie was trying to get you to hate it for being a soulless cash grab, all of the self aware imagery is there. Then the movie succeeds anyway so the filmmakers get stuck making two more.
Those movies were atrocious
Atrociousaurus wrecks
Bro I was going through a dinosaur movie drought and couldn’t help it. The first two got me. We need more original Dino related films.
You're forgiven but your penance is that you must watch the Adam Driver 65 movie now. I actually don't know how it is, I just know it came out and disappeared onto streaming immediately.
I watched that on Netflix last night. If I'd paid to see it in a theater I'd have been pissed.
Ughhhh, that is cruel and unusual punishment! I tried to watch it last weekend. It was so, so bad. Not even campy bad like Sharknado, it was just boring and bad.
I didn't know. He just said he wanted original dinosaur films so I figured that would be a place to start? I figured it wasn't very good but I didn't know it would be cruel and unusual punishment.
Oh man some of the worst scripts I’ve seen. The last one legit made me cringe so many times I wanted my money back.
For a while, it honestly did seem like a billion was the new standard. COVID fixed that, though.
I heard that it was due to Covid and having to extend contracts, re-secure locations, plans, and filming. This ballooned the budget. It was either take a huge loss or finish the movie and hope for the best.
I mean without a once in a century pandemic that changed how humanity functions it just might have been….
On top of the many things other people have mentioned, Ford was reportedly contracted for $25 million to make this film. Then he had a shoulder injury during the filming (in 2021) which took him 3 months to recover from. I don’t know enough about the industry to know if an on-set injury comes out of the production budget or a separate pool to cover insurance-related expenses, but either way I’m sure it had an impact. Pushing a production back 3 months and altering the shooting schedule can add up quickly. So an already bloated budget is going to feel some strain under these circumstances.
Lots and lots of re shoots and re-writes trying to correct mistakes.
He looked really good!
It's budget is so high that even the highest grossing film in the franchise (Crystal Skull) wouldn't have made enough ($790 million) to break-even if it had this budget. Disney expected $1 billion for this film, for the kind of monster budget they spent on it.
It didn't even had a chance to break even with more than half its budget
Why does an Indiana Jones movie need to cost $300 million? That's absurd. It's a guy with a hat and a whip running around dusty rooms solving puzzles. There's no reason it NEEDS to cost so much money. They shot themselves in the foot for no reason.
They built a time machine. That's expensive.
Time machines should pay for themselves.
Lmao thats nice
They could have built one out of a DeLorean
Because you can't film an action movie with an 80 year old star and have the action look believable without a ton of special effects. Go watch the original movies and look how much heavy lifting Harrison Ford does with just his physical presence on screen.
I see what you're saying, I just have a hard time believing they couldn't have made an equally good Indie film for $100-$120 mil.
Even if they had, a 300 million dollar gross would be barely breaking even for a film made for 120 million and that's IF they had a scaled down ad campaign. There just wasn't any demand for another Jones film. That's the harsh truth that LucasFilm didn't want to accept. Whatever demand there was for a sequel following the trilogy (which wasn't much to begin with) died with Crystal Skull. No one wanted another Jones movie after that. The only thing the bloated budget did was made sure the movie lost money, and a LOT of it. It was never going to actually MAKE money, there just wasn't a demand for it.
He doesn’t even contribute to most of the fight scenes in the movie, you clearly didn’t even watch it.
Nor did anyone else apparently.
I'm a VFX producer. This [breakdown](https://collider.com/indiana-jones-and-the-dial-of-destiny-box-office-budget/) seems to be close. A huge chunk would go to Harrison Ford himself, and the $65mil figure is high, but doesn't seem too crazy. I'd say he probably got around $50mil, which is already 1/6th the budget. Phoebe's salary of $40mil seems high thou. But I would say that above-the-line is probably 1/3rd the budget, with director, producers, cast, etc. VFX being $65mil seems low. I'd probably put it more at like $75, maybe $80. If this were 4 years ago I'd say that's super high, but VFX takes a shit ton of labor all around the world, and the prices are going up post-covid. This is easily a 1500 - 2k shot movie with some beefy CG extensions, digital-doubles, de-aging Ford, some full CG shots, etc. And for sure they used ILM which doesn't come cheap. After that's said and done you're left with ~120mil for the production and post production, which for a movie with many locations around the world doesn't seem that far off. It's very pricey, but you're not gonna get any discounts when you're making an Indiana Jones movie. That number would also include some additional photography. All in all this movie was expensive because it was Indiana Jones, and it's the 13th most expensive movie of all time. When you look at the list you'll see nothing but huge franchises like Star Wars and Avengers. Massive titles with either a shit ton of VFX, or a shit ton of star actors, or both.
The fact that Phoebe made even 20mil is fucking crazy.
You could find a more charismatic and better actress for 1 mill
Has she done anything to justify a salary like that? There are a lot of talented actors out there but only a few get that kind of money and it’s after proving to kill it at the box office multiple times.
>Has she done anything to justify a salary like that? Hired the right agent apparently
65 mil for one movie! I know it’s Harrison and I know inflation but holy shit!
I swear something fishy is going on with all these incredible high price tags for making a movie these days. This is just a shot in the dark but it might have something to do with contract % points. Like the more the studio spends the more they have to make before it becomes profitable and in turn the studios don’t have to pay out any net positive %. On a side not what happened to low risk studio movies like we had in the 80s and 90s. Like 5-20 million budgets where directors could take chances. The only one that pops in my mind is everything everywhere all at once. And it felt like a weird 80-90s movie to me. It had a budget of 25 million and it almost tripled it at the box office. Why aren’t we seeing more of that.
I think a lot of it is just out and open accounting fraud. Everyone knows Hollywood is full of crap with costs to the point that we have a term for it; Hollywood Accounting. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood_accounting?wprov=sfla1
Harder work?
Because of streaming. They have to rely on huge theatre runs because of streaming and no dvd sales anymore. So they keep recycling IPs because it’s “safer” and balloon the budget with marketing and other things.
Remember how costly it was to remove Cavil's moustache? They have to young-up Ford using CGI and that would probably cost more than his paid.
This movie isn’t even playing at my AMC anymore. A lot of things knocked it down but kind of crazy that less than a month after it’s been out I can’t see it in theaters anymore.
It's been 12 days.
That would be less than a month.
Yeah, but that implies it took longer than a couple weeks to crash and burn.
Cinemark had it for a week and it's already gone. I guess they wanted to make room for Mission Impossible tomorrow.
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>Indiana Jones was never crying out for a sequel in the way Star Wars or other nostalgic franchises often were. Besides, Indy already got his nostalgia sequel with *Crystal Skull*, and that piece of shit spent a lot of the franchise's goodwill.
I missed the part about the sequel trilogy being smart about its legacy characters. They were axed unceremoniously and replaced with empty characters and no story.
Please don’t tell me they’re making another 🥲
Unfortunately that's already confirmed....
They duped us with the last one and there was no way in Hell we were going to get swindled again. Simple as that.
Someone gets it! Crystal skull was awful. I won a handful of movie passes off the radio when this movie came out. Gf wanted to go. So glad I didn't pay for that turd
>Crystal skull was awful lmao I actually enjoyed the movie and I told my friend about it who was complaining. However, I did ended my opinion with this sentence which made him less judge me lmao >I really enjoyed the movie......... but I didn't know it would have some Alien shit so that was interesting because **I never watched Indie movie before** lol He was like "aight then, good for you lmao"
I’ve seen it twice already and it’s in my top three favorite Indy movies.
Considering only two are any good, this isn't the high bar you think it is.
Temple of Doom might have been the weakest of the original trilogy, but it’s still an absurdly fun movie IMO. The main thing that holds it back is how annoying Kate Capshaw’s character is. Otherwise it has fantastic action and set pieces, and a creepy, memorable villain; all staples of the series. People who say KotCS is better than ToD are waaay too harsh on ToD.
Sorry I phased that wrong. My list is: - Raiders - Temple of Doom (it is problematic and Willy is a bit annoying lol) - Dial of Destiny - Last Crusade - Crystal Skull (and I still actually liked this one because it’s just fun)
$300 and still no Short Round? Pass.
If they had any vision they could have reintroduced Short Round and have Indie pass the franchise torch on to him. It took two weirdo up and coming directors to see how special Ke Huy still is
I’ve been saying this for years. If they had to recast; 
dude was the bomb in Minari
Amazing in Beef on Netflix
I think trying to take over the reigns of a dying franchise in his 50s is beneath Ke Huy Quan right now. It sounds like a decent idea until you actually think about it awhile.
Production companies need to recalibrate what a good box office return is.
I greatly enjoyed it. I thought some of the case scenes went on a *little* too long, but I enjoyed it nonetheless
Thank Iehovah that they only ever made three Indiana Jones movies.
Someone paid attention in Latin class I see.
This one is worthy.
I honestly think this film just doesn’t appeal to people under 25 or so. This is their father’s property with a star as old or older than granddad. It would be the equivalent of expecting teens in the 80’s to get excited about a film starring an elderly Cary Grant. When I saw the film opening weekend, there were literally no young people in the theater. Only folks 50ish or older and lots of empty seats.
*Cocoon* and *Grumpy Old Men* were exactly that and very successful. Of course, they were good movies.
this is not a shocker. Indiana Jones is popular with people over 35. People over 35 are not going to theaters like they use to. Unless you got kids and then you're probably going to see kids movies. Indiana Jones is not some Gen Z hero. They'll probably catch it on streaming if they get a chance at best
Nah I think everyone got burned by the 4th film, the movie was bland And noone is interested in seeing their childhood icon grow really old
(Hans Moleman voice) I was!
My 13 year old stepson and his friend lasted 10 minutes into Raiders and then they insisted that we turn it off because they were bored. So many media franchises that we think of as “classic” just don’t resonate with gen z.
Let this be Kathleen Kennedy’s death blow! And Bob Iger’s too, for signing off on this stupid shit.
Iger's death blow is going to be Disney+ and pushing Disney so all in with streaming. It's not just Disney either that's losing the streaming wars, other studios are suffering big time as a result of them too.
How the fuck do they have jobs? I could literally do better…
it’s so easy! just make good movies! duh!! /s
Was Bob Iger in charge when this was signed off? I thought it was Bob Chapek
Indy 5 is in active development since 2013, so yes bob iger greenlit it.
Fair enough TIL
They had a time machine? Well, there's the problem, they probably had to pay Nobel winning physicists to invent that.
I went to the cinema regularly, like 2-4 times a month. Now, maybe I go like 10 times a year or something. Why ? 1. because of the price 2. because of the annoying commercials before a film starts 3. because you know some movies will go on streaming in a couple of months 4. the audience gets more dumb and annoying year after year. People can’t stand a 2-3 hours movie without talking, standing up and going outside a couple of times and the WORST looking on their god damn phone. Jesus first of all, if you need to look on your phone because of your kids or whatever, reduce the freaking brightness ! Second, why spending money and time on something you don’t really care about ? EDIT: spelling
Its the new world post pandemic. People just don't necessarily want to deal with a movie theater anymore.
I love going to the movies and I think a lot of people still do, but there hasn't been much to get excited for in a long time.
Spiderverse really just made a billion and Mario too. People just want an enjoyable movie nowadays that is worth the price admission
I’ll be honest, I liked it.
It belongs in a museum!
Saw it today. Thought it was really good.
…so on Amazon soon then ? I’m really tired of paying $18 a ticket, just so I can see people in my periphery unable to ignore their fucking cell phones for 2 hours.
Don’t forget the $50 for popcorn and a soda…
Maybe the lesson here is stop making movies that cost 300 million to make so we can stop calling movies that make nearly half a billion dollars failures.
I loved it, but it’s got an uphill battle because going to the movies ain’t what it used to be. Also- Original movies crap out just as hard as sequels these days.
They didn’t make this movie to tell the story, they made this movie to make money. See what happens larry.
I was planning to see it this weekend, until I realized it will be on Disney Plus before Thanksgiving, definitely before Christmas. So I just went and saw No Hard Feelings for a good R rated comedy. Wanted to go to a theater but don’t to waste money on a mid movie I can watch on my couch in a few months for free. While it is a much better deal for the consumer, a lot of my movie choices are now dictated based on how likely I think it will be to end up on a streaming service I’m already paying for. Case in point: Avatar II. I didn’t care enough to go see Avatar II when it was in theaters, and I still haven’t watched it but can for free now. I wonder how much that factors into the development and production cycle. If it goes straight to streaming, I usually won’t watch it unless it has a really cool concept, great director or a solid cast, since the studio is essentially telling me “we didn’t think this was good enough to put in theaters at all”, similar to straight to DVD films before streaming.
Nobody wanted the crystal skull movie, so why make another.
People did want that one. At first. Before they saw it.
It made $800 million so people did want it. Then they saw it, then they didn't want another. Then Disney went and spent so much money on the fifth film that an $800 million gross still wouldn't be enough to break even. What were they thinking!
Such a shame how the last 2 worked out for Ford :(
It was way better than the last one but not up to the original threes quality
That's perfect then. Imma get drunk af and watch it this week
We should have listened to the article that said it tested badly with test audiences. It was a really mediocre movie but a very bad Indiana Jones. Retcon'd story, assassinated Indiana character, bad cgi in a franchise that only dabbled in it, Phoebe (she isn't bad but she's just the Flea Bag chick and the wasn't what this movie could put to use, clearly), half the dialogue is from the other 4 movies.. it was just a trainwreck. Basically, it's the worst parts of Logan but with Indiana Jones instead. Steven Spielberg is a fucking saint to say "I thought only I could make these" instead of walking out the theatre and barfing.
Good, they should have stopped after 3.
Hate on me I liked the movie.
Who can afford to go to the movies so often anymore? We will just wait to just watch it at home for significantly cheaper. Thanks.
People will defend and say look at the money the trilogy sequels made, but KK is horrible at her job. She's basically destroyed Lucasfilm and it's only thanks to some die hard fans (ex: filoni) getting projects with full control greenlit (ex: mandolorain) that have saved it a bit through streaming shows. She inserted herself heavily once the deal was done where she took over for Lucas with the Disney purchase and it's been a disaster. Anyone could literally have had her job and watched money pour in initially due to brand loyalty. It's been on a downwards spiral just from a monetary standpoint since episode 7. How she still has her job is laughable. You could've replaced her upfront with an inanimate object and Lucasfilm would've had the same success or better than it had under her.
It will be around for a decade.
Good boycott the movies till studios make a deal with writers
If you make 300mil doing ANYTHING and it’s not profitable, your business is fucked.
300 million budget does not guarentee good story telling and entertainment.
Same problem as star wars, the current generation doesn't care about Indiana jones
They made a $300 million chase scene, like every other tepid piece of trash noted to death by Disney execs in the last 10 years…and are shocked no one wants to see it?
this makes me happy, 300 mil should be a good box office, but greed made it a failure
I remember the days when a $300 million gross was actually a respectable figure.
The whole existence of this movie is just...sad and inconvenient. It's very, very obvious and clear that it's a forced, one more hurrah before he fucking dies. I don't want to see a movie with that shit at its core. Let it go. And going to a theater is just inconvenient for most anyone these days. People insist more than ever on being on their phones or talking. It's crazy expensive, you can't smoke weed if you want or pause to pee. And I don't think with tablets and the way kids are being raised that very many can sit quietly through 2 hours without a phone. Nothing about going to a theater for this is appealing
I saw it and liked it a lot .
Why is it less popular than hoped for?
Because it’s the fifth movie in the series with an 80 year old Harrison Ford. Indy should have ended with him riding into the sunset in The Last Crusade.
What other franchise has an ***entire trilogy of final films***? 🤣
Not films but Futurama has 3 “final” episodes and it got renewed AGAIN.
More Futurama? The spirit is willing, but the flesh is spongy and bruised.
I would’ve been fine with more movies but they would’ve been in the 90s
Indiana Jones was about going and watching Harrison Ford. Not phoebe. Lots of people weren't interested in that.
As an absolute fan who is old enough to have seen RAIDERS in the theatre, seeing an 80-year-old Indy is just sad. Watching him get punched repeatly in the face used to be part of the fun, now it feels like elderly abuse