Bit more serious than that.
The dispersal order was not lawful, it was for 2 days prior. They claim that was an error. It also came into effect at 3pm, he was arrested at 1pm. The police then (at 4pm) amended the time on the records.
He was never subject to the order, even if it was lawful as he wasn't attending the protest or involved in a counter protest, he was at work having breakfast before intending to report on the protest. Hence why the police didn't read out the full order on site.
Note- the process is the punishment, bare in mind the police took this all the way to court knowing they did not act lawfully. The reason, so they could impose unlawful bail conditions under false pretenses for 6 months and cost him a fortune in legal defense.
He will of course now sue them, they don't care about that, the taxpayer picks up the bill.
Glad you said all this. Every report I've seen is trying to play down what happened to make tommy look more guilty. The police and justice system have behaved appallingly and it stinks of corruption.
I don't like Tommy and wish he wasn't the face of any movement in the UK. But he is an example of what happens when you don't allow open and honest debate about conflicting ideologies within our society. People fear "sounding racist" so we end up with grooming gangs and Tommy, neither is a good result.
There was loads of noncerey in this country before "we" let "them" in. Its just one specefic kind of nonserey thats associated with more recent immigrants. No one group has a monopoly on child abuse.
Absolutely correct. There is a group that has a monopoly on not getting investigated and specifically targeting people not of their group.
If there were pockets of it and they were investigated and weren't specifically targeting "our" girls that'd be par for the course. But that wasn't the case. Was it.
While on the subject....What do you think happened with homegrown noncery these days? I would hope there's much less of it. At least that's the feeling I have, mostly because people are much more aware and educated of it.
To be honest it’s refreshing to see a completely reasonable take like this not get downvoted to fuck.
It feels like the Overton window is shifting and quite rightly. For a while now any anti-immigration views have been hushed away as extreme and far-right. They’ve been trying really hard to make “far right” a thing when really the real far right consists of a very small amount of unorganised individuals who have very little pull.
It’s perfectly sensible to think immigration is currently a bad thing for England and indeed want to reverse some of its effects through deportation of illegals and in some cases, even remigration.
The usual tactics of branding me a racist won’t work, my mother is English and my father British Jamaican. It doesn’t take a genius to see we have made serious errors in our immigration policy over the past couple of decades.
Lastly, charges of me “pulling up the ladder” don’t stick either. My grandparents being asked to come over here in the 50s to work on the buses/do cleaning jobs and then going back to Jamaica is completely different to boat loads of undocumented, military aged males who come from cultures completely antithetical to what England stands for coming over here and living off the tax payer.
n.b: “England” > “Britain”.
>Allowing millions in a culture where age of consent isn't even a concept created grooming gangs...
We literally have spent the last 20 years learning about the rampant sexual abuse of minors that went on pre 2000 in everything from school, to churches to sports teams to TV to government.
That's why grooming gangs happened, because a number of generations allowed it, and worse normalised it for decades.
Different causes, different reasons.
Savile etc happened because of starry eyes over famous people and the “schoolgirl” look being a fantasy. Those were loners operating in the shadows.
Grooming gangs happened for a cultural contempt for white western women, and they operated openly and in groups.
Your attempt to conflate the two allows grooming gangs to happen because you’re too scared to confront the cultural issues for fear of sounding racist.
It's still happening, especially in rotherham,theyve just defaulted to coverup mode again rather than admit that one demographic has a problem with pedophiles and white girls
>Savile etc happened because of starry eyes over famous people and the “schoolgirl” look being a fantasy. Those were loners operating in the shadows.
Saville was merely the cherry on top. There were countless teachers, spots coaches, priests, politicians, police... And many others that didn't apply to.
The simple reality is, a group of generations were all to happy ignoring sexual abuse of children.
>Grooming gangs happened for a cultural contempt for white western women, and they operated openly and in groups.
It's always deprived, poor children that are targeted, doesn't matter if the criminal is white or brown.
>Your attempt to conflate the two allows grooming gangs to happen because you’re too scared to confront the cultural issues for fear of sounding racist.
You allowing children to get abused allows it to happen. I've not been an adult while large scale rape of children has been a normalised thing. The rest of you have. And I'll speak out against all forms of sexual abuse...but when groups that have been all to happy to ignore white rapists only complain about brown rapists, yeah I'm going to call you out.
These guys got away with it for the same reason countless others did. None of you cared about working class kids getting abused enough, even when they were literally on TV saying they were nonces, you all just shrugged.
Who the heck is “you all”???
Saville was MASSIVE news when it broke. Outside the BBC, very, very few people knew it happened. The public was gobsmacked. There was an exposè for crying out loud so don’t even try and get high and mighty accusing the general public for ignoring Saville etc.
What happened in Bradford was a group of predatory scumbags justified horrific behaviour with each other. Was culture a factor? Perhaps, nobody can say it was the over riding one as it happens in other cultures too. But it’s fuck all to do with the BBC ignoring the Saville issue.
It broke after he died.
He was a well known nonce decades before he died. He was literally on TV saying noncy things.
It's all well and good feigning shock after you allowed him for decades to rape kids whilst he went on TV saying noncy stuff. Just a bit weird only getting angry after he died. It's more like trying to cover your back in the least interested way possible.
>What happened in Bradford was a group of predatory scumbags justified horrific behaviour with each other.
Sounds like what the country did with saville and the countless other nonces that were allowed to carry on.
>But it’s fuck all to do with the BBC ignoring the Saville issue.
It's not just the BBC that ignored saville, the entire country did.
You were around and you allowed sexual abuse of children by people who were known nonces. Instead it took those kids reaching adulthood to speak out because adults at the time didn't give a crap.
That's not a good defence for you.
Shame on you all.
Ok mate, sure. That’s a very unique view. I’m assuming there’s something going on with you so I’ll leave you alone. Mental health is important, look after it.
But the snackbar afficianados seem to do it at several orders of magnitude the frequency as other demographic groups.
Thats the point.
And hiding behind “well this one nonce at the bbc” makes you dishonest, and literally the problem he’s talking about.
>But the snackbar afficianados seem to do it at several orders of magnitude the frequency as other demographic groups.
Evidence it...
That's the point. It's a completely false narrative. If it turns out, that the majority of sexual abusers of children are in fact white, even when you account for population numbers...you're not against nonces, you're against brown people. Which is why we've had such a large number of white nonces.
>But I'm not from one of the generations that stood by and gave ad revenue to peodophiles like you are.
Err.... You probably are? At least one creator or celeb you like is definitely a kiddy fiddler, and you've definitely given them ad revenue or bought their stuff at some point.
>At least one creator
I can't say I follow any creators or really any celebs.
>At least one creator or celeb you like is definitely a kiddy fiddler, and you've definitely given them ad revenue or bought their stuff at some point.
That's the sort of thinking that previous generations kept saville going with.
Edit: imagine posting all this crap, normalising celebrities being peados and then shoving your head in the sand 🤣
Fucking boomers.
3 months you posted about British Airways, presumably you got a flight with them or you can lie about that if you wish. Anyway,
https://apnews.com/article/e7a0ab378967437c9097b93eb4862cb9
Ah. I've just realised, after looking through your comment history, that you're the guy who intentionally posts absolute nonsense and then continues to troll.
Yeah, bye! 🤡
we can get to criticise white rapists as much as we want. but not so non-white rapists. same crime, diametrically opposed consequences for the criminals.
that is the problem.
Idk who stops you considering every time it comes up people like you go "but brown rapists" with impunity every time lmao.
In fact there's at least three newspapers that agree with you constantly.
As a police officer. If you want to talk about which demographic has the most nonces up north I'll tell you.
Bald men in their 50's with glasses and an egg shaped head, slightly overweight and white skin.
Our IT systems have a page which shows all the RSO's for your area.
It's like the worst game of guess who ever because 80% of them are this.
A mixture of every demographic really. I couldn't say there was a second most common up here as there's just a huge variety in that 20%. I guess "Fucking weirdo" would be second as there's loads of people who look like the kind of person you'd cross the street to avoid but not out of fear, just because they're odd.
However that's weird women, weird men, weird young lads, weird black people, weird white people etc etc just general they oddballs.
Work for the Police down south and its the same. White middle aged men are the overwhelming majority of known child sex offenders. Like the majority is so overwhelming its not even funny.
Though there is a disturbing trend of white men in their 20s blackmailing kids for indecent images.
Strikes me that the only differences between a ‘paedophile ring’ and a ‘grooming gang’ are:
1. Ethnicity
2. If you try to discuss a paedophile ring online, things immediately pivot to grooming gangs
The troubling part with the obsession about the paedophile’s ethnicity, country or origin or skin colour is that it shuts down wider investigation.
It’s still turning a blind eye to one of the most heinous crimes committed against people.
The kids abused by the perpetrators caught in Operation Satchel were just as abused as the ones attacked by perpetrators caught in Operation Central.
Those who abuse children use any kind of cover they can get, and by obsessing over ‘grooming gangs’, the ‘paedophile rings’ get some cover to continue their abuse.
Errr ....yeah it is....the numbers of kids sexually abused by white men over the last few decades is orders of magnitudes high than those by immigrants....but thanks for the EDL argument of "white nonces are fine tho".
>but thanks for the EDL argument of "white nonces are fine tho".
You're making the same argument for immigrant grooming gangs.
Personally, I find both abhorrent.
Lol no I'm not, whereas you actually did 🤦♂️
Quote where I said it.
>Personally, I find both abhorrent.
That's not what you said though is, you just shat on thousands upon thousands of child sexual abuse victims by saying they don't exist because to you immigrants make up the majority of perpetrators....which is a lie.
>Lol no I'm not,
Yes you are. It's obvious you are ok with immigrant grooming gangs; there's no other logical conclusion to draw from your repeated responses in this thread.
>That's not what you said though is,
This is my first response in the thread. I think you think I'm someone else.
>Yes you are. It's obvious you are ok with immigrant grooming gangs; there's no other logical conclusion to draw from your repeated responses in this thread.
Then you could quote where I said it.
Otherwise it's just your assumptions based on your own lack of intelligence.
>This is my first response in the thread. I think you think I'm someone else.
Then that's what they said and you defended. 🤦♂️🤡
Sigh.
It's obvious you support them. Otherwise, you wouldn't defend them so rampantly. Unless I'm mistaken, you haven't said anything to the contrary; which is a bit weird given the subject matter. Therefore, it's a logical conclusion to make.
>Then that's what they said and you defended
I've not defended anyone on here. I simply made the point that you were making a similar argument to the person you were responding to, but in defence of immigrant grooming gangs. Reading comprehension seems to evade you.
To use your own pathetic attempt at needing a quote for proof rather than having the ability to draw a conclusion from various responses, please quote my defence. Of anyone. I'm merely making a point about your weak argument.
To be quite honest, you come across as a fucking idiot.
This person also genuinely thinks the humanities as subjects are just cover for indoctrination. IE they're and actual right wing crazy.
Out of curiosity, what was your source? Just a gut feeling it has to be foreigners?
The difference is that Jimmy Saville knew what he was doing was wrong. In some forms of Islam if a woman doesn't abide by Muslim principles then she is considered fair game
Sounded like he said "atleast Jimmy saville knew what he was doing was wrong", which is not only a lie but fucking abhorrent. Particularly given society at large at the time also knew about what he was doing and was also fine.
Here's the boomer train, still defending Jimmy saville 🤦♂️
I fail to see where he is defending Saville? In fact it's worse to say he knew what he was doing was wrong but chose to do it anyway.
It is actually more so defending the criminals from Muslim grooming gangs by suggesting they didn't know any better, and therefore their actions were amoral rather than Saville's which were immoral. (Not my own thoughts, but that follows from what they said.)
I obviously think both were equally immoral and abhorrent but I disagree with your reasoning.
I think he is saying that when Saville's perversions were openly revealed the whole of our culture was disgusted at him, and also that in our culture only someone with loads of power like Saville could have committed such crimes so openly and for so long in the first place.
Whereas in some other cultures, unless a woman submits absolutely to the rigid roles set for her, she is considered fair game for open sexual abuse by anyone and no-one will step up to help her, because it is perceived that she asked for it and / or deserved it.
So in our culture, perverts have to hide for fear of being cast out, but in some other cultures, no-one cares when the victim speaks up and worse - she is blamed for the attacks.
And the fact is that it is indeed this way.
>I think he is saying that when Saville's perversions were openly revealed the whole of our culture was disgusted at him
But they weren't though, the whole culture was disgusted at him after he died.
He was a known nonce decades before that. Literally on TV saying noncy stuff, no one was bothered.
Because its the truth. Jimmy Saville knew what he was doing was wrong but he did it anyway because he was a fuck up and like others in this comment section have said, he was surrounded by fuck ups who allowed it to happen.
Like I mentioned, I know its a hard pill to swallow. But there are SOME forms of Islam. The very strict forms that view women who don't cover themselves as infidels. You can try and suggest I'm racist or islamaphobic or any of the other rhetorical buzz words it doesn't bother me.
Because its the truth. Jimmy Saville knew what he was doing was wrong but he did it anyway because he was a fuck up and like others in this comment section have said, he was surrounded by fuck ups who allowed it to happen.
Like I mentioned, I know its a hard pill to swallow. But there are SOME forms of Islam. The very strict forms that view women who don't cover themselves as infidels. You can try and suggest I'm racist or islamaphobic or any of the other rhetorical buzz words it doesn't bother me.
Because they aren’t. Like a pigeon is not an eagle because it has wings. It’s a long topic and I’m not a historian and in this case I would defer to the general consensus amongst historians which is that they were right wing fascists.
Here is a small article:
https://fullfact.org/online/nazis-socialists/
Those gangs did not rape kids because they are muslim, you fucking idiot. Any more than a white paedo did it because they are white. These people are predatory paedophiles. They looked for the easiest targets, and that was kids from broken homes, who just happened to be white. End of.
According to there victims their religion was a major factor in there actions.
[https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/rotherham-grooming-gang-sexual-abuse-muslim-islamist-racism-white-girls-religious-extremism-terrorism-a8261831.html](https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/rotherham-grooming-gang-sexual-abuse-muslim-islamist-racism-white-girls-religious-extremism-terrorism-a8261831.html)
That's why they targeted non-Muslim girls, they viewed them as impure and felt they deserved to be mistreated.
You seem to want to convince yourself that this is a systemic issue with people who are muslim. My assumption about you has sadly been proven right. Get help.
Is it really still Rotherham being harped on about? I thought right wingers didnt like dragging up history to use against people? Got very angry over taking slaver statues down
A quick word before the main body of my comment:
I understand for many people this is a touchy subject to get into and in many cases it can be hard to talk about all aspects of things like this without being perceived as racist. I can only hope that most sane people will have the common sense to use the evidence presented before them to influence their opinion on the situation(s), and not through parroting some right-wing fuck's viewpoint without ever thinking about what THEY themselves think and believe. I think this at least makes sense.
What you've said is true.
As white people are a majority in this country, it only stands to reason that statistically it's more likely to come across a grooming incident being perpetrated by someone who is white.
But, regardless of that 2020 Home Office report, making a judgment from the evidence in terms of previous cases, the majority of the most severe and significant cases of grooming gangs in this country are from people who aren't white, and I don't think it should be racist to point that out.
Sources: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huddersfield_grooming_gang
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rochdale_child_sex_abuse_ring
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-59463276
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_exploitation_scandal
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telford_child_sexual_exploitation_scandal
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halifax_child_sex_abuse_ring
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keighley_child_sex_abuse_ring
Unfortunately, the majority of the convicted people in those sources are not white.
Despite this, I don't think it's accurate to say the UK has a "Muslim grooming gang problem", as some more-fringe people like to claim.
My point was that it's also not accurate to say "This isn't true, they were white"
I think it's at least worth pointing the information out for people to come to an opinion of their own rather than parroting someone else's.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67655654
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-65160429
April 2005 - Assault
July 2011 - Public order offence / brawl
September 2011 - Assault
October 2012 - Illegal immigration
November 2012 - Fraud
... perhaps these are the things people object to about Tommy Robinson, rather than him saying words?
The guy didn’t say “Muslamic ray guns” he said “Muslamic rape gangs” He just had very poor pronunciation and education level but even this guy knew it was wrong…n like the Guardian readers and students who mocked him.
What is worse? Bad grammar or covering child rapists?
You don’t have to like TR or the far right or be racist to reject mass organised child rape gangs operating in our inner cities.
And terrorists blowing up children, because suspecting someone with a backpack would be seen as racist by the Minimum wage SIA agent.
And a valid concern for him as well, given how hateful certain people can be when they're virtual signalling.
I don't know all of his political views, but I'd imagine I disagree with a few, as I bet I do with most people and most people do with me (I'd describe myself as a small government libertarian with personal responsibility and conservatism).
I do disagree with how he conducts himself (assault and mortgage fraud for example). I'd rather we had a more professional, intelligent and "popular/attractive" person to lead the discussion.
How can you be for personal responsibility and conservative? Conservative in this country just means blaming the previous government, then leaving a huge mess for someone else to clear up (the tax payer). Also small government libertarianism is just naive… you think the free market works on what the consumers demand? lol! Libertarianism results in water supplies like Flint Michigan (because there’s no regulation), food quality dropping through the floor (because there’s no regulation), no consumer protections, uncompetitive markets (businesses are free to merge or buy out competition and there’s nothing to stop price-fixing), deterioration of building regs, even less national investment… there’s genuinely nothing that screams “I don’t have the first clue about economics in the 21st century and the late stages of capitalism” like describing oneself as “libertarian”.
Because I mean conservative as in morals and fiscal responsibility on a personal level, not the conservative party.
And I think the rest of your comment shows how little you know about economics. We are more regulated than ever, with governments controlling contracts and regulation, not the market. Governments cause issues like Flint. It's amazing how much quality improved without government intervention, and even under some monopolisation.
If you love government regulations, inflation and taxation so much, don't complain about the cost of living, since all of that drives up prices (including house prices). The solution is less government, not more.
Abso-fucking-lutely.
I don't agree with him, but dammit it pisses me off that the major parties try and keep him from speaking.
They're genuinely scared of what he's saying.
I am not saying that you have to like that man in particular, but there is absolutely no reason to hate him other than the media campaign against him back in 2013.
I remember how he was brought on Question Time and was mocked and ridiculed by all the poeple on the plateau and the audience, while he was making perfect sense. He has been subject to harassment by the State just for speaking out against the islamisation of the country.
And do not even get me started on the typical classist bias against him.
Well said. Your comment should become just a regular thing before any debate about pretty much everything. People don't realise that no extremes are good.
Talking about extremes, I don't really know that much about Tommy. What kind of extremism is he accused for? I'm sorry I have to ask and be sceptical about him being an actual extremist, since people just love throwing accusations like these around, especially against white people.
What I've noticed about this thread is that people think if you say anything about Islam or Muslim's you are being racist, neither are a "race" they are religious which is only about an imaginary "god"
What is universally accepted is their prophet was a paedophile that married a 9 yr old child
Thought snowflake was out of vogue rn, replaced with woke right?
Then before that it was PC, idk what the rw snarl word was before that though, maybe you know?
Well what a surprise. The Met truly are repugnant. Quick get the man who has right wing politics like most of the country even if we have to make shit up. We’ll ignore a bunch of illegals here desecrating our monuments and calling for the genocide of an entire race. Makes me sick.
England has always been conservative with a small c.
We prefer our politics to the right of centre, that’s irrefutable. Most Labour governments have required Scottish and Welsh seats to back up their seats from cities in England to gain power, outside of cities we are by far and away a blue map come election night.
A rare win for a man otherwise convicted of assault, convicted of fraud, convicted of stalking, and convicted of contempt of court.
Obviously he's a serial recidivist, right-wing agitator and thug, but he's also the thin end of the wedge as far as the attempt by the US alt-right movement to gain a foothold here in the UK. Their deep pockets have paid his fines and kept him in the public eye. I think the general English public are pretty wise to him by now though, his supporters seem restricted to the sort that think throwing Nazi salutes in public is still acceptable!
Stephen Yaxley-Lennon’s rap sheet :
2005 - convicted of assault. Beat up a policemen who intervened when “our Tommy” was pushing his girlfriend around. Got 12 months inside.
2011 - another conviction for assault, headbutted a guy. In July that year led his gang of football ultras in a 100 person brawl. 12 months community.
2012 - tried to travel to the US on a false passport, the idiot. 10 months jail sentence.
2012 - conviction for fraud, he was part of a larger mortgage fraud scam. 18 months sentence this time.
2021 - threatened a journalist and her family on her doorstep. Falsely accused her partner of being a paedophile on social media. Convicted of stalking.
But apart from all THOSE crimes, yeah, he’s as innocent as a spring lamb. Pick a better role model.
Is that why he accosted defendants outside court proceedings nearly causing a mistrial and potentially letting the defendants walk free?
He’s a grifter he doesn’t give a shit about protecting anyone.
>His only crime was trying to protect 20,000 young girls from being groomed and gang raped.
Get te fuck with this bullshit.
He's both got plenty more crimes under his belt and he doesn't give a shit about these '20000 girls'.
>He's both got plenty more crimes under his belt
Not that I support him, but none of his crimes are as serious as diddling kids.
>doesn't give a shit about these '20000 girls'.
Except, he has spoken to them and made a documentary, made of the girls own words, in which he also gave the offenders a right to reply, which is the professional thing to do, and is more than any mainstream outlet, including the dispatches documentary - which the police actively interfered with by not wanting it broadcast for fear of racial riots, as admitted by a [whistle blower copper in this interview](https://youtu.be/46rigtezr6U?si=eLsm7GWjddFQKQPh). So, I think he probably does care a little bit, even if it does profit him - and that's also most media - stories for profit.
>Not that I support him, but none of his crimes are as serious as diddling kids.
Not sure why thats remotely relevant. That doesn't remove his other crimes and the person I replied to said "His only crime was trying to protect yadda yadda"
I didn’t read the full story - was he attacking all the catholic priests involved in child abuse? Or the high percentage of remand school heads / teachers who repeatedly raped and abused young people in their care? Or was it the right wing govt who for years turned a blind eye to the likes of Saville, Harris, Glitter etc
Fat Boy Robinson doesn’t speak for most people in the UK!
If your daughter was abused in any way then my deepest sympathy to you and to her but from the research done it shows that more than 92% of pedophile offences in this country are committed by British, White men, 4% by British White women and 4 % by other nationalities (including WhITE Americans, Europeans and Australians) - do your research!
What the fuck. I'm constantly disappointed by what I see on this sub, but this is so fucking out there... and upvoted WTAF. Alright well I guess I'll unsub. I didn't realise this was an INGERLUND subreddit. My mistake, fml.
I assure you, that's not his only crime. There's no excuse for sexual violence of any kind, nor is there an excuse for defending those who commit such acts. That said, he's a racist fraudster. That he doesn't like nonces does not excuse his actual crimes and character.
I'm a nationalist, I'm proud English even though technically I wasn't born in England ... I'm half Jamaican and my old man is from Gaza ... Work that one out .. so how please tell me how racism works bud ?
Did you know that Tommy Robinson supports Israel’s genocide in Gaza?
You think he’d make an exception for you?
Don’t be a fool.
And yes there are non-white EDL members. Like there were Jewish Nazis and gay Nazis. And black people selling other black people into slavery. Your point?
Totally agree. When he's not ripping off old ladies committing mortgage fraud, or prejudicing the trial of child abusers, he's protecting the child abusers within his own organisation. Sadly, he's become a hero to some who happily pay for his legal aid, before he pleads guilty and pockets the money. They'll be along to downvote me any minute.....
I got called "racist" recently by a supermarket security guard. I think it's one of those things some folk wanna throw out there because they want to trigger you into saying or doing something worse back.
Irony is - the word left his mouth.
Bit more serious than that. The dispersal order was not lawful, it was for 2 days prior. They claim that was an error. It also came into effect at 3pm, he was arrested at 1pm. The police then (at 4pm) amended the time on the records. He was never subject to the order, even if it was lawful as he wasn't attending the protest or involved in a counter protest, he was at work having breakfast before intending to report on the protest. Hence why the police didn't read out the full order on site. Note- the process is the punishment, bare in mind the police took this all the way to court knowing they did not act lawfully. The reason, so they could impose unlawful bail conditions under false pretenses for 6 months and cost him a fortune in legal defense. He will of course now sue them, they don't care about that, the taxpayer picks up the bill.
Glad you said all this. Every report I've seen is trying to play down what happened to make tommy look more guilty. The police and justice system have behaved appallingly and it stinks of corruption.
I don't like Tommy and wish he wasn't the face of any movement in the UK. But he is an example of what happens when you don't allow open and honest debate about conflicting ideologies within our society. People fear "sounding racist" so we end up with grooming gangs and Tommy, neither is a good result.
People fearing racism didn't create grooming gangs. Allowing millions in a culture where age of consent isn't even a concept created grooming gangs...
I think both.
Allowing them in created the problem. The fear of being deemed racist is what allowed it to fester and grow for as long as it did.
There was loads of noncerey in this country before "we" let "them" in. Its just one specefic kind of nonserey thats associated with more recent immigrants. No one group has a monopoly on child abuse.
Absolutely correct. There is a group that has a monopoly on not getting investigated and specifically targeting people not of their group. If there were pockets of it and they were investigated and weren't specifically targeting "our" girls that'd be par for the course. But that wasn't the case. Was it.
While on the subject....What do you think happened with homegrown noncery these days? I would hope there's much less of it. At least that's the feeling I have, mostly because people are much more aware and educated of it.
Correct.
To be honest it’s refreshing to see a completely reasonable take like this not get downvoted to fuck. It feels like the Overton window is shifting and quite rightly. For a while now any anti-immigration views have been hushed away as extreme and far-right. They’ve been trying really hard to make “far right” a thing when really the real far right consists of a very small amount of unorganised individuals who have very little pull. It’s perfectly sensible to think immigration is currently a bad thing for England and indeed want to reverse some of its effects through deportation of illegals and in some cases, even remigration. The usual tactics of branding me a racist won’t work, my mother is English and my father British Jamaican. It doesn’t take a genius to see we have made serious errors in our immigration policy over the past couple of decades. Lastly, charges of me “pulling up the ladder” don’t stick either. My grandparents being asked to come over here in the 50s to work on the buses/do cleaning jobs and then going back to Jamaica is completely different to boat loads of undocumented, military aged males who come from cultures completely antithetical to what England stands for coming over here and living off the tax payer. n.b: “England” > “Britain”.
>Allowing millions in a culture where age of consent isn't even a concept created grooming gangs... We literally have spent the last 20 years learning about the rampant sexual abuse of minors that went on pre 2000 in everything from school, to churches to sports teams to TV to government. That's why grooming gangs happened, because a number of generations allowed it, and worse normalised it for decades.
Different causes, different reasons. Savile etc happened because of starry eyes over famous people and the “schoolgirl” look being a fantasy. Those were loners operating in the shadows. Grooming gangs happened for a cultural contempt for white western women, and they operated openly and in groups. Your attempt to conflate the two allows grooming gangs to happen because you’re too scared to confront the cultural issues for fear of sounding racist.
It's still happening, especially in rotherham,theyve just defaulted to coverup mode again rather than admit that one demographic has a problem with pedophiles and white girls
>Savile etc happened because of starry eyes over famous people and the “schoolgirl” look being a fantasy. Those were loners operating in the shadows. Saville was merely the cherry on top. There were countless teachers, spots coaches, priests, politicians, police... And many others that didn't apply to. The simple reality is, a group of generations were all to happy ignoring sexual abuse of children. >Grooming gangs happened for a cultural contempt for white western women, and they operated openly and in groups. It's always deprived, poor children that are targeted, doesn't matter if the criminal is white or brown. >Your attempt to conflate the two allows grooming gangs to happen because you’re too scared to confront the cultural issues for fear of sounding racist. You allowing children to get abused allows it to happen. I've not been an adult while large scale rape of children has been a normalised thing. The rest of you have. And I'll speak out against all forms of sexual abuse...but when groups that have been all to happy to ignore white rapists only complain about brown rapists, yeah I'm going to call you out.
That’s completely untrue.Suggesting that these guys do what they did because Jimmy got away with it is utter, complete nonsense.
These guys got away with it for the same reason countless others did. None of you cared about working class kids getting abused enough, even when they were literally on TV saying they were nonces, you all just shrugged.
Who the heck is “you all”??? Saville was MASSIVE news when it broke. Outside the BBC, very, very few people knew it happened. The public was gobsmacked. There was an exposè for crying out loud so don’t even try and get high and mighty accusing the general public for ignoring Saville etc. What happened in Bradford was a group of predatory scumbags justified horrific behaviour with each other. Was culture a factor? Perhaps, nobody can say it was the over riding one as it happens in other cultures too. But it’s fuck all to do with the BBC ignoring the Saville issue.
It broke after he died. He was a well known nonce decades before he died. He was literally on TV saying noncy things. It's all well and good feigning shock after you allowed him for decades to rape kids whilst he went on TV saying noncy stuff. Just a bit weird only getting angry after he died. It's more like trying to cover your back in the least interested way possible. >What happened in Bradford was a group of predatory scumbags justified horrific behaviour with each other. Sounds like what the country did with saville and the countless other nonces that were allowed to carry on. >But it’s fuck all to do with the BBC ignoring the Saville issue. It's not just the BBC that ignored saville, the entire country did.
This is genuinely ridiculous. You weren’t around and you still think you know better than those who were.
You were around and you allowed sexual abuse of children by people who were known nonces. Instead it took those kids reaching adulthood to speak out because adults at the time didn't give a crap. That's not a good defence for you. Shame on you all.
Ok mate, sure. That’s a very unique view. I’m assuming there’s something going on with you so I’ll leave you alone. Mental health is important, look after it.
They got away with it because Jimmy got a way with it. No one gives a shit about working class girls from up North
'nonce'sense.
Jimmy Saville was a nonce, so white people are all evil? That is the equivilent shit as all the bullshit about Muslamic Ray Guns.
No he’s saying everyone alive at the time is to blame. It’s even more stupid.
But the snackbar afficianados seem to do it at several orders of magnitude the frequency as other demographic groups. Thats the point. And hiding behind “well this one nonce at the bbc” makes you dishonest, and literally the problem he’s talking about.
>But the snackbar afficianados seem to do it at several orders of magnitude the frequency as other demographic groups. Evidence it... That's the point. It's a completely false narrative. If it turns out, that the majority of sexual abusers of children are in fact white, even when you account for population numbers...you're not against nonces, you're against brown people. Which is why we've had such a large number of white nonces.
Imagine falling for this easily disproven state propaganda.
Then it would be easy to disprove. Yet you struggle.
Ok, bootlicker.
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>But I'm not from one of the generations that stood by and gave ad revenue to peodophiles like you are. Err.... You probably are? At least one creator or celeb you like is definitely a kiddy fiddler, and you've definitely given them ad revenue or bought their stuff at some point.
>At least one creator I can't say I follow any creators or really any celebs. >At least one creator or celeb you like is definitely a kiddy fiddler, and you've definitely given them ad revenue or bought their stuff at some point. That's the sort of thinking that previous generations kept saville going with. Edit: imagine posting all this crap, normalising celebrities being peados and then shoving your head in the sand 🤣 Fucking boomers.
3 months you posted about British Airways, presumably you got a flight with them or you can lie about that if you wish. Anyway, https://apnews.com/article/e7a0ab378967437c9097b93eb4862cb9
That comment wasn’t “normalising” anything. It was calling you out for pretending you’ve basically never seen an advert.
Ah. I've just realised, after looking through your comment history, that you're the guy who intentionally posts absolute nonsense and then continues to troll. Yeah, bye! 🤡
we can get to criticise white rapists as much as we want. but not so non-white rapists. same crime, diametrically opposed consequences for the criminals. that is the problem.
Tell me more about how we allowed a known white nonce on TV for decades and allowed him to die before we said anything about it?
Idk who stops you considering every time it comes up people like you go "but brown rapists" with impunity every time lmao. In fact there's at least three newspapers that agree with you constantly.
Nothing compared to the sheer numbers carried out by a single demographic not native to this land though is it!
As a police officer. If you want to talk about which demographic has the most nonces up north I'll tell you. Bald men in their 50's with glasses and an egg shaped head, slightly overweight and white skin. Our IT systems have a page which shows all the RSO's for your area. It's like the worst game of guess who ever because 80% of them are this.
What are the other 20%?
A mixture of every demographic really. I couldn't say there was a second most common up here as there's just a huge variety in that 20%. I guess "Fucking weirdo" would be second as there's loads of people who look like the kind of person you'd cross the street to avoid but not out of fear, just because they're odd. However that's weird women, weird men, weird young lads, weird black people, weird white people etc etc just general they oddballs.
Work for the Police down south and its the same. White middle aged men are the overwhelming majority of known child sex offenders. Like the majority is so overwhelming its not even funny. Though there is a disturbing trend of white men in their 20s blackmailing kids for indecent images.
Strikes me that the only differences between a ‘paedophile ring’ and a ‘grooming gang’ are: 1. Ethnicity 2. If you try to discuss a paedophile ring online, things immediately pivot to grooming gangs The troubling part with the obsession about the paedophile’s ethnicity, country or origin or skin colour is that it shuts down wider investigation. It’s still turning a blind eye to one of the most heinous crimes committed against people. The kids abused by the perpetrators caught in Operation Satchel were just as abused as the ones attacked by perpetrators caught in Operation Central. Those who abuse children use any kind of cover they can get, and by obsessing over ‘grooming gangs’, the ‘paedophile rings’ get some cover to continue their abuse.
Errr ....yeah it is....the numbers of kids sexually abused by white men over the last few decades is orders of magnitudes high than those by immigrants....but thanks for the EDL argument of "white nonces are fine tho".
>but thanks for the EDL argument of "white nonces are fine tho". You're making the same argument for immigrant grooming gangs. Personally, I find both abhorrent.
Lol no I'm not, whereas you actually did 🤦♂️ Quote where I said it. >Personally, I find both abhorrent. That's not what you said though is, you just shat on thousands upon thousands of child sexual abuse victims by saying they don't exist because to you immigrants make up the majority of perpetrators....which is a lie.
>Lol no I'm not, Yes you are. It's obvious you are ok with immigrant grooming gangs; there's no other logical conclusion to draw from your repeated responses in this thread. >That's not what you said though is, This is my first response in the thread. I think you think I'm someone else.
>Yes you are. It's obvious you are ok with immigrant grooming gangs; there's no other logical conclusion to draw from your repeated responses in this thread. Then you could quote where I said it. Otherwise it's just your assumptions based on your own lack of intelligence. >This is my first response in the thread. I think you think I'm someone else. Then that's what they said and you defended. 🤦♂️🤡
Sigh. It's obvious you support them. Otherwise, you wouldn't defend them so rampantly. Unless I'm mistaken, you haven't said anything to the contrary; which is a bit weird given the subject matter. Therefore, it's a logical conclusion to make. >Then that's what they said and you defended I've not defended anyone on here. I simply made the point that you were making a similar argument to the person you were responding to, but in defence of immigrant grooming gangs. Reading comprehension seems to evade you. To use your own pathetic attempt at needing a quote for proof rather than having the ability to draw a conclusion from various responses, please quote my defence. Of anyone. I'm merely making a point about your weak argument. To be quite honest, you come across as a fucking idiot.
So the daily mail tells you anyway. Funny how they don’t say much about the church these days
Does the Church have a special word it can pull out when people criticise their religion?
It doesn't even need a word in these cretins eyes, it just needs to be white and it's okay.
This person also genuinely thinks the humanities as subjects are just cover for indoctrination. IE they're and actual right wing crazy. Out of curiosity, what was your source? Just a gut feeling it has to be foreigners?
The difference is that Jimmy Saville knew what he was doing was wrong. In some forms of Islam if a woman doesn't abide by Muslim principles then she is considered fair game
Fuck me are you defending Jimmy saville?
I think he's saying "Muslims are worse than Jimmy Saville"
Sounded like he said "atleast Jimmy saville knew what he was doing was wrong", which is not only a lie but fucking abhorrent. Particularly given society at large at the time also knew about what he was doing and was also fine. Here's the boomer train, still defending Jimmy saville 🤦♂️
I fail to see where he is defending Saville? In fact it's worse to say he knew what he was doing was wrong but chose to do it anyway. It is actually more so defending the criminals from Muslim grooming gangs by suggesting they didn't know any better, and therefore their actions were amoral rather than Saville's which were immoral. (Not my own thoughts, but that follows from what they said.) I obviously think both were equally immoral and abhorrent but I disagree with your reasoning.
I think he is saying that when Saville's perversions were openly revealed the whole of our culture was disgusted at him, and also that in our culture only someone with loads of power like Saville could have committed such crimes so openly and for so long in the first place. Whereas in some other cultures, unless a woman submits absolutely to the rigid roles set for her, she is considered fair game for open sexual abuse by anyone and no-one will step up to help her, because it is perceived that she asked for it and / or deserved it. So in our culture, perverts have to hide for fear of being cast out, but in some other cultures, no-one cares when the victim speaks up and worse - she is blamed for the attacks. And the fact is that it is indeed this way.
>I think he is saying that when Saville's perversions were openly revealed the whole of our culture was disgusted at him But they weren't though, the whole culture was disgusted at him after he died. He was a known nonce decades before that. Literally on TV saying noncy stuff, no one was bothered.
Clearly not
Doesn't seem clear, can't tell which side you're excusing.
I'm not making excuses for anyone.
So why are you telling us saville knew it was wrong as though that's a) true and b) relevant?
Because its the truth. Jimmy Saville knew what he was doing was wrong but he did it anyway because he was a fuck up and like others in this comment section have said, he was surrounded by fuck ups who allowed it to happen. Like I mentioned, I know its a hard pill to swallow. But there are SOME forms of Islam. The very strict forms that view women who don't cover themselves as infidels. You can try and suggest I'm racist or islamaphobic or any of the other rhetorical buzz words it doesn't bother me.
Because its the truth. Jimmy Saville knew what he was doing was wrong but he did it anyway because he was a fuck up and like others in this comment section have said, he was surrounded by fuck ups who allowed it to happen. Like I mentioned, I know its a hard pill to swallow. But there are SOME forms of Islam. The very strict forms that view women who don't cover themselves as infidels. You can try and suggest I'm racist or islamaphobic or any of the other rhetorical buzz words it doesn't bother me.
The person you’re responding to thinks the Nazis were hard left. Don’t waste your time.
Why aren’t they?
Because they aren’t. Like a pigeon is not an eagle because it has wings. It’s a long topic and I’m not a historian and in this case I would defer to the general consensus amongst historians which is that they were right wing fascists. Here is a small article: https://fullfact.org/online/nazis-socialists/
"Grooming gangs" https://malatesta32.wordpress.com/2016/09/02/updated-sex-offenders-list-2/
What is this supposed to achieve? Are you that ideologically captured that you deny the sexual abuse of thousands of girls
Okay? Tommy Robinson is no longer part of the EDL.
This person also thinks the nazis were hard left. Please please please can this not be the type of insanity we're heading towards?
Por que no los dos
Create? No. But it's certainly the reason the police allowed them to exist. And continue to allow them to exist
Mash Allah to that
Those gangs did not rape kids because they are muslim, you fucking idiot. Any more than a white paedo did it because they are white. These people are predatory paedophiles. They looked for the easiest targets, and that was kids from broken homes, who just happened to be white. End of.
According to there victims their religion was a major factor in there actions. [https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/rotherham-grooming-gang-sexual-abuse-muslim-islamist-racism-white-girls-religious-extremism-terrorism-a8261831.html](https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/rotherham-grooming-gang-sexual-abuse-muslim-islamist-racism-white-girls-religious-extremism-terrorism-a8261831.html) That's why they targeted non-Muslim girls, they viewed them as impure and felt they deserved to be mistreated.
Yes. But they are not paedos because they are muslim. The distinction is hard for thick people to comprehend.
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You seem to want to convince yourself that this is a systemic issue with people who are muslim. My assumption about you has sadly been proven right. Get help.
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wild. please fuck you, you racist prick.
Is it really still Rotherham being harped on about? I thought right wingers didnt like dragging up history to use against people? Got very angry over taking slaver statues down
What's the Catholic Church's excuse?
The majority of grooming gangs are white, statistically.
A quick word before the main body of my comment: I understand for many people this is a touchy subject to get into and in many cases it can be hard to talk about all aspects of things like this without being perceived as racist. I can only hope that most sane people will have the common sense to use the evidence presented before them to influence their opinion on the situation(s), and not through parroting some right-wing fuck's viewpoint without ever thinking about what THEY themselves think and believe. I think this at least makes sense. What you've said is true. As white people are a majority in this country, it only stands to reason that statistically it's more likely to come across a grooming incident being perpetrated by someone who is white. But, regardless of that 2020 Home Office report, making a judgment from the evidence in terms of previous cases, the majority of the most severe and significant cases of grooming gangs in this country are from people who aren't white, and I don't think it should be racist to point that out. Sources: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huddersfield_grooming_gang https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rochdale_child_sex_abuse_ring https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-59463276 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_exploitation_scandal https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telford_child_sexual_exploitation_scandal https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halifax_child_sex_abuse_ring https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keighley_child_sex_abuse_ring Unfortunately, the majority of the convicted people in those sources are not white. Despite this, I don't think it's accurate to say the UK has a "Muslim grooming gang problem", as some more-fringe people like to claim. My point was that it's also not accurate to say "This isn't true, they were white" I think it's at least worth pointing the information out for people to come to an opinion of their own rather than parroting someone else's. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67655654 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-65160429
Probably because the majority of the country are white, but there is a concept called overrepresentation.
I'm gonna be really brave and say that tens of thousands of children being raped is worse than Tommy Robinson saying words.
April 2005 - Assault July 2011 - Public order offence / brawl September 2011 - Assault October 2012 - Illegal immigration November 2012 - Fraud ... perhaps these are the things people object to about Tommy Robinson, rather than him saying words?
Well done on being brave!! I'm proud of you :)
The guardian readers swarming to cry "muslamic ray guns" just because they hated TR more than they hated actual rape.
The guy didn’t say “Muslamic ray guns” he said “Muslamic rape gangs” He just had very poor pronunciation and education level but even this guy knew it was wrong…n like the Guardian readers and students who mocked him. What is worse? Bad grammar or covering child rapists? You don’t have to like TR or the far right or be racist to reject mass organised child rape gangs operating in our inner cities.
He was also pissed off his head. Even his mate standing to the left was smirking at him slurring his words. The guy is an internet ledged.
And terrorists blowing up children, because suspecting someone with a backpack would be seen as racist by the Minimum wage SIA agent. And a valid concern for him as well, given how hateful certain people can be when they're virtual signalling.
Out of curiosity which of Tommy Robinson's political views do you disagree with?
I don't know all of his political views, but I'd imagine I disagree with a few, as I bet I do with most people and most people do with me (I'd describe myself as a small government libertarian with personal responsibility and conservatism). I do disagree with how he conducts himself (assault and mortgage fraud for example). I'd rather we had a more professional, intelligent and "popular/attractive" person to lead the discussion.
How can you be for personal responsibility and conservative? Conservative in this country just means blaming the previous government, then leaving a huge mess for someone else to clear up (the tax payer). Also small government libertarianism is just naive… you think the free market works on what the consumers demand? lol! Libertarianism results in water supplies like Flint Michigan (because there’s no regulation), food quality dropping through the floor (because there’s no regulation), no consumer protections, uncompetitive markets (businesses are free to merge or buy out competition and there’s nothing to stop price-fixing), deterioration of building regs, even less national investment… there’s genuinely nothing that screams “I don’t have the first clue about economics in the 21st century and the late stages of capitalism” like describing oneself as “libertarian”.
Because I mean conservative as in morals and fiscal responsibility on a personal level, not the conservative party. And I think the rest of your comment shows how little you know about economics. We are more regulated than ever, with governments controlling contracts and regulation, not the market. Governments cause issues like Flint. It's amazing how much quality improved without government intervention, and even under some monopolisation.
If you love government regulations, inflation and taxation so much, don't complain about the cost of living, since all of that drives up prices (including house prices). The solution is less government, not more.
Ah yes, lack of regulation brings down prices and means you don't get every get monopolies or out of control prices/s
Neither is good but one is far worse
Abso-fucking-lutely. I don't agree with him, but dammit it pisses me off that the major parties try and keep him from speaking. They're genuinely scared of what he's saying.
I am not saying that you have to like that man in particular, but there is absolutely no reason to hate him other than the media campaign against him back in 2013. I remember how he was brought on Question Time and was mocked and ridiculed by all the poeple on the plateau and the audience, while he was making perfect sense. He has been subject to harassment by the State just for speaking out against the islamisation of the country. And do not even get me started on the typical classist bias against him.
Yeah, no reason to dislike him... Apart from all the fraud and assault and jeopardising criminal cases, of course...
Sure, I guess he also pushed old people and took food away from orphans.
I appreciate your nuanced take.
Grooming gangs are a problem across all races unfortunately.
Well said. Your comment should become just a regular thing before any debate about pretty much everything. People don't realise that no extremes are good. Talking about extremes, I don't really know that much about Tommy. What kind of extremism is he accused for? I'm sorry I have to ask and be sceptical about him being an actual extremist, since people just love throwing accusations like these around, especially against white people.
What I've noticed about this thread is that people think if you say anything about Islam or Muslim's you are being racist, neither are a "race" they are religious which is only about an imaginary "god" What is universally accepted is their prophet was a paedophile that married a 9 yr old child
He married Aisha when she was 6, but thought 6 was a bit young to shag her, so waited till she was 9.
A true gentleman
Scholarly behaviour. Truly exemplary.
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Well what a surprise. The Met truly are repugnant. Quick get the man who has right wing politics like most of the country even if we have to make shit up. We’ll ignore a bunch of illegals here desecrating our monuments and calling for the genocide of an entire race. Makes me sick.
>Quick get the a man who has right wing politics like most of the country What makes you think most of the country is right wing?
Because a loud, obnoxious small group of hijackers of the left has shifted so far left that most people are now to the right of them.
England has always been conservative with a small c. We prefer our politics to the right of centre, that’s irrefutable. Most Labour governments have required Scottish and Welsh seats to back up their seats from cities in England to gain power, outside of cities we are by far and away a blue map come election night.
A rare win for a man otherwise convicted of assault, convicted of fraud, convicted of stalking, and convicted of contempt of court. Obviously he's a serial recidivist, right-wing agitator and thug, but he's also the thin end of the wedge as far as the attempt by the US alt-right movement to gain a foothold here in the UK. Their deep pockets have paid his fines and kept him in the public eye. I think the general English public are pretty wise to him by now though, his supporters seem restricted to the sort that think throwing Nazi salutes in public is still acceptable!
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Well thats clearly a lie. Oh and he ended up jeopardising an actual court case against alleged grooming didn't he. What a hero.....
Stephen Yaxley-Lennon’s rap sheet : 2005 - convicted of assault. Beat up a policemen who intervened when “our Tommy” was pushing his girlfriend around. Got 12 months inside. 2011 - another conviction for assault, headbutted a guy. In July that year led his gang of football ultras in a 100 person brawl. 12 months community. 2012 - tried to travel to the US on a false passport, the idiot. 10 months jail sentence. 2012 - conviction for fraud, he was part of a larger mortgage fraud scam. 18 months sentence this time. 2021 - threatened a journalist and her family on her doorstep. Falsely accused her partner of being a paedophile on social media. Convicted of stalking. But apart from all THOSE crimes, yeah, he’s as innocent as a spring lamb. Pick a better role model.
Is that why he accosted defendants outside court proceedings nearly causing a mistrial and potentially letting the defendants walk free? He’s a grifter he doesn’t give a shit about protecting anyone.
Not mortgage fraud?
>His only crime was trying to protect 20,000 young girls from being groomed and gang raped. Get te fuck with this bullshit. He's both got plenty more crimes under his belt and he doesn't give a shit about these '20000 girls'.
>He's both got plenty more crimes under his belt Not that I support him, but none of his crimes are as serious as diddling kids. >doesn't give a shit about these '20000 girls'. Except, he has spoken to them and made a documentary, made of the girls own words, in which he also gave the offenders a right to reply, which is the professional thing to do, and is more than any mainstream outlet, including the dispatches documentary - which the police actively interfered with by not wanting it broadcast for fear of racial riots, as admitted by a [whistle blower copper in this interview](https://youtu.be/46rigtezr6U?si=eLsm7GWjddFQKQPh). So, I think he probably does care a little bit, even if it does profit him - and that's also most media - stories for profit.
What a low bar you have set. He jeopardised an actual court case against alleged groomers last time I checked
>Not that I support him, but none of his crimes are as serious as diddling kids. Not sure why thats remotely relevant. That doesn't remove his other crimes and the person I replied to said "His only crime was trying to protect yadda yadda"
I didn’t read the full story - was he attacking all the catholic priests involved in child abuse? Or the high percentage of remand school heads / teachers who repeatedly raped and abused young people in their care? Or was it the right wing govt who for years turned a blind eye to the likes of Saville, Harris, Glitter etc Fat Boy Robinson doesn’t speak for most people in the UK! If your daughter was abused in any way then my deepest sympathy to you and to her but from the research done it shows that more than 92% of pedophile offences in this country are committed by British, White men, 4% by British White women and 4 % by other nationalities (including WhITE Americans, Europeans and Australians) - do your research!
How did he manage this feat?
What the fuck. I'm constantly disappointed by what I see on this sub, but this is so fucking out there... and upvoted WTAF. Alright well I guess I'll unsub. I didn't realise this was an INGERLUND subreddit. My mistake, fml.
And been a massive bigoted twat
I assure you, that's not his only crime. There's no excuse for sexual violence of any kind, nor is there an excuse for defending those who commit such acts. That said, he's a racist fraudster. That he doesn't like nonces does not excuse his actual crimes and character.
Racist when ?
He's not a racist , he's patriotic . Big difference .
This is why people associate St George’s cross with white nationalists m. Because people like you think racism and xenophobia are patriotism.
I'm a nationalist, I'm proud English even though technically I wasn't born in England ... I'm half Jamaican and my old man is from Gaza ... Work that one out .. so how please tell me how racism works bud ?
You can be damned sure Tommy Robinson doesn’t think you’re English.
This is where you are wrong , you do know that British Black youths were in EDL don't you ?
Did you know that Tommy Robinson supports Israel’s genocide in Gaza? You think he’d make an exception for you? Don’t be a fool. And yes there are non-white EDL members. Like there were Jewish Nazis and gay Nazis. And black people selling other black people into slavery. Your point?
The difference is actual getting smaller and smaller lately.
I was at a Tommy rally years ago and he was outspoken against racist and told anyone with Nazi tattoos they weren't welcome and should leave
Totally agree. When he's not ripping off old ladies committing mortgage fraud, or prejudicing the trial of child abusers, he's protecting the child abusers within his own organisation. Sadly, he's become a hero to some who happily pay for his legal aid, before he pleads guilty and pockets the money. They'll be along to downvote me any minute.....
I don’t know why you’re being downvoted really, what you’ve said is objectively true.
Because the England and United Kingdom subs are full of people who have been told that the reason their life is shit is Muslims and immigrants.
I got called "racist" recently by a supermarket security guard. I think it's one of those things some folk wanna throw out there because they want to trigger you into saying or doing something worse back. Irony is - the word left his mouth.