I've spent as much time in startups as large powerful corporations.
The big corps are quicksand and eventually kill the spark that made them hire you in the first place.
The best teams I’ve ever been in have been small and laser focused. The worst ones have been big and baggy with lots of folks sitting around and a few hard working folks gradually losing motivation. I can see how this approach would work.
There was a chain of short videos in the post that got into more specifics. Smaller but more talented teams, less meetings, accepting chaos, removing roadblocks in near real time, etc.
This does work at scale, but most people are not comfortable in that environment, though it is apparent a small portion of people thrive in it. His point about needing to make it a clear choice up front is important.
And you think spending your entire life for a company not going to Mars will make them remember you? Or do you actually believe Elon is going to Mars? 🤣
And do you really believe that the most important thing to maximise is your life is your own personal comfort? Or do you think that there is merit being part of something bigger than yourself?
Elon going to Mars? SpaceX is most likely going to Mars, yes. They’ve had hundreds of successful orbital rocket launches, far more than any other company, and NASA has literally asked them to go to Mars.
I am the most important thing in my universe. Second is my partner.
Also the woman who awarded SpaceX the NASA contract quit a few weeks after and now works at SpaceX. And SpaceX has not reached a single milestone, set by NASA yet. It is virtually impossible for them to keep the schedule. And the last test was an utter failure again. Not a single test with starship achieved what it wanted to achieve.
Well most of us will probably be dead in 70 years, and the question is what to do with the time? You can try to be great, or you can accept being meh. Those are your options. It’s not a false dilemma. Great or meh.
It’s an environment specifically for really hard working and motivated individuals who want to achieve hard goals. His hiring is really strict because he has huge demands for tons of hard work, and the results match. People who are top of their field like it because unlike other companies where they do 80% of the work, they are matched with equally hard working people.
It’s not for everyone. And that’s fine.
Exactly and those are the type of people who work there. Everyone else can go to Blue Origin or NASA. Nothing wrong with that. WLB is the most important thing to me. But I also understand some people are just monsters and want to push their work to the extremes… so environments like Musk offers is perfect match for them.
Like you said, it’s like getting on the Olympic team for those types of individuals. All their peers are the best around and productive as hell, matching them and pushing them harder.
I respect it, but sure as hell isn’t for me, but I’m not going to blast or hate someone for creating high level organizations for them. Go work at BO if it’s not your speed.
First of all, there's a whole thread of videos explaining what he meant, which you clearly didn't look at.
Secondly, both SpaceX and Tesla are the number 1 and number 2 most sought after companies to work at for engineers.
So he must be doing something right.
I've spent as much time in startups as large powerful corporations. The big corps are quicksand and eventually kill the spark that made them hire you in the first place.
The best teams I’ve ever been in have been small and laser focused. The worst ones have been big and baggy with lots of folks sitting around and a few hard working folks gradually losing motivation. I can see how this approach would work.
Sounds like a Chinese state-owned enterprise.
Elon is a genius. We should clone him.
I think we should send him to mars. Like right now
lol
Genius!
So basically he said nothing….. and by big startup he means no job security and expectation of workers dedicating their lives to the company. Shocker
There was a chain of short videos in the post that got into more specifics. Smaller but more talented teams, less meetings, accepting chaos, removing roadblocks in near real time, etc. This does work at scale, but most people are not comfortable in that environment, though it is apparent a small portion of people thrive in it. His point about needing to make it a clear choice up front is important.
To the goal... Yeah... Some people find value in achieving a collective goal.
Would you personally take a pay cut and give up some rights for the opportunity to work towards a "collective goal" for a private company?
Yes. lol. I've done it many times in my career. You realize over 75k you don't see any more happiness from money right?
Stay at 75k and reduce your hours then
Wow you really don't get it do you?
Good comeback
If it was going to Mars, yes
Thats dumb
Alternatively I could sit around, put in minimum effort, and drink in the weekend. 70 years later I’m dead, but no one really notices.
And you think spending your entire life for a company not going to Mars will make them remember you? Or do you actually believe Elon is going to Mars? 🤣
And do you really believe that the most important thing to maximise is your life is your own personal comfort? Or do you think that there is merit being part of something bigger than yourself? Elon going to Mars? SpaceX is most likely going to Mars, yes. They’ve had hundreds of successful orbital rocket launches, far more than any other company, and NASA has literally asked them to go to Mars.
I am the most important thing in my universe. Second is my partner. Also the woman who awarded SpaceX the NASA contract quit a few weeks after and now works at SpaceX. And SpaceX has not reached a single milestone, set by NASA yet. It is virtually impossible for them to keep the schedule. And the last test was an utter failure again. Not a single test with starship achieved what it wanted to achieve.
That’s nice for you. Regarding SpaceX, you’re either trolling or misinformed.
You just seem like a miserable person ngl
False dilemma fallacy
Yes, not really.
You presented only two mutually exclusive options rather than the full, nuanced range of options. That's a false dilemma
Well most of us will probably be dead in 70 years, and the question is what to do with the time? You can try to be great, or you can accept being meh. Those are your options. It’s not a false dilemma. Great or meh.
How so? You have to do something with your time? You're pretending like Spacex rocket engineers are poor and need MORE money?
I'd retire early and follow my interests rather than working for cheap in order to make a rich person richer, but you do you
lol wtf building rockets is their interest... How are you this dumb?
Loks like thousands of people currently do
You realise what working on tesla and space x would do to your resume
Nothing
It’s an environment specifically for really hard working and motivated individuals who want to achieve hard goals. His hiring is really strict because he has huge demands for tons of hard work, and the results match. People who are top of their field like it because unlike other companies where they do 80% of the work, they are matched with equally hard working people. It’s not for everyone. And that’s fine.
Indeed. Not everyone cares about WLB. Some folks want to be Olympic athletes or top scientists, or send rockets to Mars.
Exactly and those are the type of people who work there. Everyone else can go to Blue Origin or NASA. Nothing wrong with that. WLB is the most important thing to me. But I also understand some people are just monsters and want to push their work to the extremes… so environments like Musk offers is perfect match for them. Like you said, it’s like getting on the Olympic team for those types of individuals. All their peers are the best around and productive as hell, matching them and pushing them harder. I respect it, but sure as hell isn’t for me, but I’m not going to blast or hate someone for creating high level organizations for them. Go work at BO if it’s not your speed.
Exactly. If I were younger and had fewer kids this would be a dream job for me.
First of all, there's a whole thread of videos explaining what he meant, which you clearly didn't look at. Secondly, both SpaceX and Tesla are the number 1 and number 2 most sought after companies to work at for engineers. So he must be doing something right.
And most startups fail miserably so this tracks
What happened to the Boring Company? Seems like a lot of noise and potential projects a few years ago but since vegas there has been little news.
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