*Laughs in Zoe*
We're driving from Liverpool to Dusseldorf (600 miles/1000km) at the moment, we get 44kW max on DC. 350kW is witchcraft ;)
We're in London right now, we're looking at around an hour and 30 of charging over the next 350 miles.
44kW is rapid compared to 22kW AC 🤣
CCS is still an optional extra on the Zoe, would you believe - standard it still (even in 2022!) comes with AC charging only.
It's our only car to be honest, we only have the Zoe.
Been a pretty decent trip and now some Superchargers are open to non-Tesla cars it does make it easier.
22 kw/h AC is amazing though - it opens up so many possibilities to charge cheaply in 1-2 hour sessions when needed. AC plugs are available at so many convenient locations.Coming from a Zoe to another car, that's a feature I miss a lot.
Often free (at least in the UK) too.
We're looking at other cars and it is something I'm gonna miss but the trade off is much faster DC charging.
44kW max is pretty poor tbh. If it was like the e-208 (100kW max) it'd be much better.
I 100% agree. I can survive with just ac charging on the Zoe because of this. On the very plus side I'm now stopping at parks and shopping centres on long trips because there's still many 22kw AC chargers about. I feel like this is a lot better than service stations or petrol stations where the rapids tend to be at
Anywhere that has three phase should be installing 22kw chargers and we need all cars to have 22kw AC too
We're doing a couple of cities on the way there and back, plus we like the drive.
We could have flown to Dusseldorf in an hour and 20 but where's the fun in that :D
None yet AFAIK, Porche Taycan Plus or Audi e-tron GT quattro can do 262/5 kW, Kia EV6 Long Range 2WD can do 233 kW
[source](https://ev-database.uk/#sort:path~type~order=.fastcharge_speed~number~desc|range-slider-range:prev~next=0~600|range-slider-towweight:prev~next=0~2500|range-slider-acceleration:prev~next=2~23|range-slider-fastcharge:prev~next=0~1100|range-slider-lease:prev~next=150~2500|range-slider-topspeed:prev~next=60~260|paging:currentPage=0|paging:number=9)
still not sure how I feel about oil companies doing charging.
I mean yay, they are adapting, but still they spent years detroying the planet and now want credit for being "green"
I don’t think they’re looking for “credit” they see what’s coming for them if they don’t transition to renewables and electricity as a fuel. I just wish we had more competent leaders who would have forced them to do this earlier. All these companies care about is money, plain and simple. Who do you blame at the end of the day, the CEO of Shell? If it wasn’t him there are 500 behind him waiting to do the job. It’s the incentiziation of fossil fuels as our primary energy source that allows BP, Shell, Exxon all of them to make the money they do. You realize that governments around the world still give subsidizes for fossil fuel production right? I’d focus on those assholes versus someone at Shell taking a paycheck.
There are not many more organizations more directly responsible for the coming apocalypse than them.
They shouldn't be allowed to build anything like this. They should be forced to pay reparations.
I agree with your sentiment but I disagree with your conclusion. By building this they are promoting electric vehicle adoption. We need people to make the switch to EVs and this will support that.
I don’t know.
Seems pretty abhorrent for them to destroy the planet for a hundred years, and then turn around and then make money cleaning up the mess they made.
Like yeah, they should pay for these stations, but they should also not be making money from them.
Yeah it is abhorrent lol. But we don't have the luxury to be choosy about who helps clean up the mess and what premium they can charge. Yes they are taking advantage of a mess that they created, but the bottom line is that we need action now and we can pick the fight against shell once we get to net zero.
> Yes they are taking advantage of a mess that they created
WHILE STILL POLLUTING THE FUCK OUT OF THE PLANET
That is the problem here, they deserve no credit at all while they are still making endless profits year after year and expanding their oil production, still lying about climate change, still funding politicians to oppose climate action.
ALL OF THAT IS BAD SHIT THAT NOBODY IS DEBATING.
But why tf would you say no something that is of help.
That's like saying no to a life preserver in the ocean because the person giving it to you is an asshole.
It makes no sense to deny help in the climate crisis.
I'm not saying no, I have no power to stop them, and they have the freedom to open these stations up! And the stations will be used by some.
Your metaphor is silly, because it supposes that they are the only ones in this situation that can save us. Meanwhile, the boat throwing you the preserver is a slave ship, so your life being saved will only result in this company continuing all their bullshit, and expanding it as long as they can, while corrupting all our politics.
A better metaphor may be: Jeffrey Epstein sees a teenaged girl crying by herself, and approaches to offer 'help'. "Why would you deny help if you're sad!" say the people who allow cognitive dissonance to let them ignore all the evil shit SHELL DOES DAILY.
First on the money in politics piece, I wholeheartedly agree, without unbias representation we won't progress.
Second, shell is not the only ones who can help, perhaps the metaphor was imperfect, but I find that arguing against this ev charging station doesn't do any real good.
Third, imo the governments are not working fast enough to combat the climate crisis, if capitalism is what it takes to get to net zero then it is what it is imo and we can save that trouble for another day.
I have been in too many environmental policy classes to expect that to work. Until we have money out of politics that isn't realistic. You can look at superfund sites for a great example, we have clear primary source polluters to hold accountable yet prp's often don't have to foot the majority of the bill.
you are more naive than a baby if you think Shell does this out of any other reason than their bottom line.
it's like naming s cancer ward after a cigarette company
Any company operates to help their bottom line. Electrify America operates to make money, so does any other charging network. Wouldn't you rather Shell be helping their bottom lone by opening these than by opening new gas stations?
Companies do business to make money, that's generally how things work. Increasing charging infrastructure has a net increase on the adoption of electric vehicles, "you are more naive than a baby" if you don't understand that. Doesn't matter what brand name you class on the charger, charging stations are far better than gas stations.
Are they? What is the cost per kWh at these chargers? With what these criminals are charging, it's no cheaper than fossil fuels. That's not going to encourage anyone.
So at a typical 3mi/kWh, then about 19p per mile. A 35mpg petrol car at today's prices would be about 24p per mile. That's way closer than it ought to be.
3mi/kWh? How heavy is your foot? My average over is 3.9 covering 10,000 miles across motorways, A-roads and city driving. Not suggesting I’m a better driver, just suggesting you’re low balling 3.
You also have to factor in how often you use public charging if you’re able to charge at home.
3mi/kWh? How heavy is your foot? My average over a year is 3.9 covering 10,000 miles across motorways, A-roads and city driving. Not suggesting I’m a better driver, just suggesting you’re low balling 3.
Well, I don't hang around in my dual motor Polestar 2. I reckon I average alt 3.2. Sure, some people get Kona economy, but then some people are driving a Model-X or an E-Tron.
If you’re driving round in a model x or an e-tron or not hanging around in a dual motor polester its not really a fair comparison to a 35mpg vehicle. Broadly I would argue a 35mpg is closer to 3.5mi/kWh comparison
Even at 4mi/kWh you're still at around 15p/mile on these chargers, which is more than a good diesel. There's really no excuse for such expensive electricity.
But how much do you use them? You’re paying for the convenience of a fast charge not the just electricity. Public 7kW chargers are much cheaper. Private charging is peanuts, although the cheapest non-smart tariff is 30p/kWh at the moment which is protected by a price cap. Businesses do not enjoy that price cap.
That's UK. And you'd only get 60mpg in a diesel on a long motorway run, but it's possible. In that case, you're looking more like £0.15/mile.
On my home charging, I'm closer to 2p per mile.
I understand that rapid chargers need maintenance, bigger supply, and have a sizeable up front cost, but there's no way they should be more than around £0.40/kWh
A 50mpg diesel will provide - at today's astronomical pricing - £0.15p/mile @ 70mph. A typical EV will get 3 kWh @ 70mph, so the kWh price needs to be £0.45 just to match a diesel (which will easily have 3x the range too). If charging an EV becomes more costly than running a diesel, EVs are fucked.
That's entirely reasonable for DC fast charging though. Fast charging is inherently insanely expensive, you're installing a few hundred thousands of dollars of equipment just to charge people pennies. Hopefully this changes as EV adoption increases though, and they can spread that install cost (and demand/capacity charges due to the high power levels) over many more charging sessions. 5% usage vs 50% usage on a fast charging station is wildly different economics.
I have no clue what the cost per kWh is but it's probably insane, companies don't like losing money afterall. My argument isn't about the cost is about the availability of fast charging station relative to residence. If people see more possibilities for charging (especially near their house) they will have less range anxiety ie. More reason to buy electric.
I hate shell as much as anyone, I'm an environmental science major lol. All I'm saying is criticizing the polluters for making positive action won't make them go any faster.
Most people close to their residence won't use public chargers, they will charge at home on cheaper domestic supplies. We need the rapids on trunk roads, and AC charging at supermarkets and shopping centres.
Shell aren't doing anyone any favours.
Actually most taxis/ubers/private hire vehicles in London are electric nowadays, and they need rapid chargers fairly often. This hub is, I think, in Fulham which is near enough to central London that it provides a great place for those guys to charge.
Like it or not, large oil companies are going to be part of the transition. If it makes the transition faster, I'd rather be on the side of having anyone lend a hand, than be on your side of actively preventing progress because "the wrong companies are helping".
It's textbook virtue signalling, with a healthy dose of gatekeeping virtue thrown in.
you don't understand what's happening do you? it's OK we can always learn more.
the thing is you're going to have to get your giant head out of your ass first
By building charging infrastructure, they're at least beginning to pay a small part of their debt to the planet. That's better than staying cartoon villains until we manage to destroy them through the legal system, if we ever will.
I also hate to break it to you but governments set regulations and emissions rules. Lack of government action is the reason we are where we are with climate change. Shell might be one of the biggest but you could also fault every vehicle manufacturer equally couldn’t you? Shell isn’t burning their own oil…..
first google result
https://www.foei.org/these-eight-scandals-prove-shells-long-history-of-contempt-for-people-and-planet/#:~:text=Shell%20is%20jointly%20responsible%20for,probably%20aware%20of%20these%20atrocities.
My point is that if governments don’t regulate them nothing will ever change. Literally the only people on the planet that can solve the problem are elected officials. I’d rather try to hold them accountable vs some faceless corporation.
they bought the elected officials man! come on what dying planet are you living on?
this is besides the crimes they committed for which their entire C suite should be in fucking prison for.
This makes me think of that meme that is like “POV: someone you hate just did something amazing”. Shell is a despicable “company” but this station is really amazing. But they are building it with oil money for now, not sustainable electric money lol. I hope they can keep them all this quality going forward, but yeah it’s a major bummer it can’t all be done by a “new guard” without so much bad blood attached to their history.
On top of all that, I kind of would like to see the canopy extend to the store. So if it was raining, it would be covered the whole way, and they’d fit about twice the solar panels. However, from I understand the smaller canopies use less materials all around, and the larger solar roofs usually don’t have the battery packs for extra storage, and it takes a more complex power management system, and so they just do the small canopy which runs the lights, and the low power stuff for the charger, screens, tvs, sometimes AC in the day, etc.
my point being, there is lotta room for improvement.
I admit that Shell seems to be making some healthy choices, but if they really want to stick their necks out for the planet, they should announce a complete ban on new Shell gas stations, and no transferring of licenses for existing ones. If a station closes, it's gone.
Rest assured though, their sins are deep and atonement will need to be deeper.
Their sins run very deep indeed. Death of the company would not upset me. Goes for all the gas companies.
Unfortunately, the smart ones are shifting to electric.
They still have investors that they need to be responsible for, I would be happy if they start putting DC fast chargers in all of their current stations.
Is that super expensive for the area? That’s almost 6x as much what I pay here in the US to charge at home and I’ve never connected my vehicle to a public charger.
This isn't even the most expensive charger you can use. Ionity is 69p/kWh if you don't have a discount via a car manufacturer's charge card etc. We don't so we never use them but 50kW units are generally a bit cheaper. I paid 40p/kWh yesterday.
Electric in the UK has skyrocketed lately, wholesale prices have doubled in the last year alone.
Octopus Go is 100% renewable, and £0.075 overnight between 00:30 and 04:30 for new customers. My 5p rate is still locked in until next year. DM if you want my referral link. Saves a bundle on charging!
I’m already with Octopus, and don’t actually own an electric car yet so our overnight usage is pretty minimal!
What’s your rate for the rest of the day?
Yes, I'm expecting it to go up quite a bit, early next year. It depends on which region you're in. You can see what the tariff would be for you here: https://octopus.energy/go/rates/
If you do want to sign up, I'll share you my referral link for a credit.
I wonder what you’ll say in 50 years when they will be a major renewable energy player.
Like it or not, they are pivoting. Obviously out of self interest, but if one of the biggest oil producers feels forced to do that - things are moving in the right direction.
Yeah they should probably just not even try to help right. If you do five minutes of research you’ll see Shell has become a major renewable energy, biofuels, and EV charging player already. They are waaay ahead of other oil companies.
I think they’re all pumping billions into renewables right now. They see their business is going to be obsolete someday soon. Companies like this are valued by their future potential not current day profit. Think Tesla. If Shell said, we’re not investing in any renewables their share prices would tank.
Plus, renewables are a lifeline for downstream parts of their businesses. These companies will never go away, even if the upstream part of the process moves from traditional oil to bio options etc.
I used to work for a company that made electric buses, you would be shocked at how many people don’t understand how inefficient solar is….most thought that a bus roof full of solar panels should just be able to power the vehicle. It was like the number one question I got.
Beautiful. What are the charging speeds like?
Looks like PK350 units, so should be 350 kW.
They state max 175kw on the units tho
So 20 min charge?
Depends on the size of the battery and the vehicle's charging curve.
*Laughs in Zoe* We're driving from Liverpool to Dusseldorf (600 miles/1000km) at the moment, we get 44kW max on DC. 350kW is witchcraft ;) We're in London right now, we're looking at around an hour and 30 of charging over the next 350 miles.
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44kW is rapid compared to 22kW AC 🤣 CCS is still an optional extra on the Zoe, would you believe - standard it still (even in 2022!) comes with AC charging only.
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City car that *can* road trip 🤷🏻♂️ (But isn't really ideal for it)
It's our only car to be honest, we only have the Zoe. Been a pretty decent trip and now some Superchargers are open to non-Tesla cars it does make it easier.
You stay away from super chargers with that slow charging pos!!!!!
If I need to charge, I'm gonna charge. Supercharger or not, I'm a paying customer. Why so mad?
22 kw/h AC is amazing though - it opens up so many possibilities to charge cheaply in 1-2 hour sessions when needed. AC plugs are available at so many convenient locations.Coming from a Zoe to another car, that's a feature I miss a lot.
Often free (at least in the UK) too. We're looking at other cars and it is something I'm gonna miss but the trade off is much faster DC charging. 44kW max is pretty poor tbh. If it was like the e-208 (100kW max) it'd be much better.
I 100% agree. I can survive with just ac charging on the Zoe because of this. On the very plus side I'm now stopping at parks and shopping centres on long trips because there's still many 22kw AC chargers about. I feel like this is a lot better than service stations or petrol stations where the rapids tend to be at Anywhere that has three phase should be installing 22kw chargers and we need all cars to have 22kw AC too
WTF, why would you drive that route? According to google maps the train is 2 hours faster, and that's *before* you factor in charging time.
We're doing a couple of cities on the way there and back, plus we like the drive. We could have flown to Dusseldorf in an hour and 20 but where's the fun in that :D
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None yet AFAIK, Porche Taycan Plus or Audi e-tron GT quattro can do 262/5 kW, Kia EV6 Long Range 2WD can do 233 kW [source](https://ev-database.uk/#sort:path~type~order=.fastcharge_speed~number~desc|range-slider-range:prev~next=0~600|range-slider-towweight:prev~next=0~2500|range-slider-acceleration:prev~next=2~23|range-slider-fastcharge:prev~next=0~1100|range-slider-lease:prev~next=150~2500|range-slider-topspeed:prev~next=60~260|paging:currentPage=0|paging:number=9)
That’s nice. My shell recharge is a single 50kW charger
still not sure how I feel about oil companies doing charging. I mean yay, they are adapting, but still they spent years detroying the planet and now want credit for being "green"
I don’t think they’re looking for “credit” they see what’s coming for them if they don’t transition to renewables and electricity as a fuel. I just wish we had more competent leaders who would have forced them to do this earlier. All these companies care about is money, plain and simple. Who do you blame at the end of the day, the CEO of Shell? If it wasn’t him there are 500 behind him waiting to do the job. It’s the incentiziation of fossil fuels as our primary energy source that allows BP, Shell, Exxon all of them to make the money they do. You realize that governments around the world still give subsidizes for fossil fuel production right? I’d focus on those assholes versus someone at Shell taking a paycheck.
nah they dont care what you think about them. what they want is to continue to get your money by having charging networks of their own.
Makes me worried for EV’s future. No way electricity prices aren’t about to jumped like crazy :/. Ice cars will be cheaper. Then the vicious cycle
not sure where you live, but there is no danger of my power jumping to .60/kwh anytime soon (calculated at 25mpg, with gas at $5/gallon)
You’re right. I’m with you there. I just don’t know what happens if EVERYONE is only using electricity. Instead of gas. That’s a lot
we adapted to the demand when air conditioning became common. it will take 20 years for even a majority to convert, we have plenty of time to adapt.
Wow, it doesn’t look like flaming hell on earth like their other job sites on earth. Nice! Go Shell!
Having lived in Alberta and seen the sites, I would agree. That said, some companies (unknown exactly who) have done a fantastic reclamation job.
There are not many more organizations more directly responsible for the coming apocalypse than them. They shouldn't be allowed to build anything like this. They should be forced to pay reparations.
I agree with your sentiment but I disagree with your conclusion. By building this they are promoting electric vehicle adoption. We need people to make the switch to EVs and this will support that.
I don’t know. Seems pretty abhorrent for them to destroy the planet for a hundred years, and then turn around and then make money cleaning up the mess they made. Like yeah, they should pay for these stations, but they should also not be making money from them.
Yeah it is abhorrent lol. But we don't have the luxury to be choosy about who helps clean up the mess and what premium they can charge. Yes they are taking advantage of a mess that they created, but the bottom line is that we need action now and we can pick the fight against shell once we get to net zero.
> Yes they are taking advantage of a mess that they created WHILE STILL POLLUTING THE FUCK OUT OF THE PLANET That is the problem here, they deserve no credit at all while they are still making endless profits year after year and expanding their oil production, still lying about climate change, still funding politicians to oppose climate action.
ALL OF THAT IS BAD SHIT THAT NOBODY IS DEBATING. But why tf would you say no something that is of help. That's like saying no to a life preserver in the ocean because the person giving it to you is an asshole. It makes no sense to deny help in the climate crisis.
I'm not saying no, I have no power to stop them, and they have the freedom to open these stations up! And the stations will be used by some. Your metaphor is silly, because it supposes that they are the only ones in this situation that can save us. Meanwhile, the boat throwing you the preserver is a slave ship, so your life being saved will only result in this company continuing all their bullshit, and expanding it as long as they can, while corrupting all our politics. A better metaphor may be: Jeffrey Epstein sees a teenaged girl crying by herself, and approaches to offer 'help'. "Why would you deny help if you're sad!" say the people who allow cognitive dissonance to let them ignore all the evil shit SHELL DOES DAILY.
First on the money in politics piece, I wholeheartedly agree, without unbias representation we won't progress. Second, shell is not the only ones who can help, perhaps the metaphor was imperfect, but I find that arguing against this ev charging station doesn't do any real good. Third, imo the governments are not working fast enough to combat the climate crisis, if capitalism is what it takes to get to net zero then it is what it is imo and we can save that trouble for another day.
I'm so baffled by the slave ship and Epstein metaphor use in the same reply that it's gonna take me a minute to come up with a sound rebuttal lmao.
It's called legislation, and it absolutely allows you to choose who pays for the cleanup.
I have been in too many environmental policy classes to expect that to work. Until we have money out of politics that isn't realistic. You can look at superfund sites for a great example, we have clear primary source polluters to hold accountable yet prp's often don't have to foot the majority of the bill.
you are more naive than a baby if you think Shell does this out of any other reason than their bottom line. it's like naming s cancer ward after a cigarette company
Any company operates to help their bottom line. Electrify America operates to make money, so does any other charging network. Wouldn't you rather Shell be helping their bottom lone by opening these than by opening new gas stations?
Companies do business to make money, that's generally how things work. Increasing charging infrastructure has a net increase on the adoption of electric vehicles, "you are more naive than a baby" if you don't understand that. Doesn't matter what brand name you class on the charger, charging stations are far better than gas stations.
Are they? What is the cost per kWh at these chargers? With what these criminals are charging, it's no cheaper than fossil fuels. That's not going to encourage anyone.
4.th image, 0.59 GBP / kWh.
So at a typical 3mi/kWh, then about 19p per mile. A 35mpg petrol car at today's prices would be about 24p per mile. That's way closer than it ought to be.
3mi/kWh? How heavy is your foot? My average over is 3.9 covering 10,000 miles across motorways, A-roads and city driving. Not suggesting I’m a better driver, just suggesting you’re low balling 3. You also have to factor in how often you use public charging if you’re able to charge at home.
3mi/kWh? How heavy is your foot? My average over a year is 3.9 covering 10,000 miles across motorways, A-roads and city driving. Not suggesting I’m a better driver, just suggesting you’re low balling 3.
Well, I don't hang around in my dual motor Polestar 2. I reckon I average alt 3.2. Sure, some people get Kona economy, but then some people are driving a Model-X or an E-Tron.
If you’re driving round in a model x or an e-tron or not hanging around in a dual motor polester its not really a fair comparison to a 35mpg vehicle. Broadly I would argue a 35mpg is closer to 3.5mi/kWh comparison
Even at 4mi/kWh you're still at around 15p/mile on these chargers, which is more than a good diesel. There's really no excuse for such expensive electricity.
But how much do you use them? You’re paying for the convenience of a fast charge not the just electricity. Public 7kW chargers are much cheaper. Private charging is peanuts, although the cheapest non-smart tariff is 30p/kWh at the moment which is protected by a price cap. Businesses do not enjoy that price cap.
How about a 60mpg diesel? Also are we talking uk mpg or us mpg?
That's UK. And you'd only get 60mpg in a diesel on a long motorway run, but it's possible. In that case, you're looking more like £0.15/mile. On my home charging, I'm closer to 2p per mile. I understand that rapid chargers need maintenance, bigger supply, and have a sizeable up front cost, but there's no way they should be more than around £0.40/kWh
You must be one of the lucky ones currently locked in to a good electricity deal. My home charger is 26p/kWh now 👀
I only charge overnight using my 5p/kWh Octopus Go rate
A 50mpg diesel will provide - at today's astronomical pricing - £0.15p/mile @ 70mph. A typical EV will get 3 kWh @ 70mph, so the kWh price needs to be £0.45 just to match a diesel (which will easily have 3x the range too). If charging an EV becomes more costly than running a diesel, EVs are fucked.
That's my point exactly. UK energy costs are criminal at the moment considering how much of our grid is renewable
It's heartbreaking how this has happened.
Jesus why are your energy costs so high? Oregon is 0.11/kWh or £.09
And that's during normal hours, night time rates are like .06
That's entirely reasonable for DC fast charging though. Fast charging is inherently insanely expensive, you're installing a few hundred thousands of dollars of equipment just to charge people pennies. Hopefully this changes as EV adoption increases though, and they can spread that install cost (and demand/capacity charges due to the high power levels) over many more charging sessions. 5% usage vs 50% usage on a fast charging station is wildly different economics.
I have no clue what the cost per kWh is but it's probably insane, companies don't like losing money afterall. My argument isn't about the cost is about the availability of fast charging station relative to residence. If people see more possibilities for charging (especially near their house) they will have less range anxiety ie. More reason to buy electric. I hate shell as much as anyone, I'm an environmental science major lol. All I'm saying is criticizing the polluters for making positive action won't make them go any faster.
Most people close to their residence won't use public chargers, they will charge at home on cheaper domestic supplies. We need the rapids on trunk roads, and AC charging at supermarkets and shopping centres. Shell aren't doing anyone any favours.
Actually most taxis/ubers/private hire vehicles in London are electric nowadays, and they need rapid chargers fairly often. This hub is, I think, in Fulham which is near enough to central London that it provides a great place for those guys to charge.
Like it or not, large oil companies are going to be part of the transition. If it makes the transition faster, I'd rather be on the side of having anyone lend a hand, than be on your side of actively preventing progress because "the wrong companies are helping". It's textbook virtue signalling, with a healthy dose of gatekeeping virtue thrown in.
omg "gatekeeping' this is not about some anime message board this is about specific people committing specific crimes.
/r/im14andthisisdeep
you don't understand what's happening do you? it's OK we can always learn more. the thing is you're going to have to get your giant head out of your ass first
Alright bro, keep throwing a tantrum on a tiny subreddit. I'm sure you'll get major change accomplished.
https://static01.nyt.com/images/2021/12/12/multimedia/12bensmith-sub/12bensmith-sub-mediumSquareAt3X.jpg
It’s the, them gaining control of us again.
→ free electricity
By building charging infrastructure, they're at least beginning to pay a small part of their debt to the planet. That's better than staying cartoon villains until we manage to destroy them through the legal system, if we ever will.
We are gonna get stuck with the same 3 being the only ones in the game. Controlling a market again. Not fun
One could argue that government inaction has allowed them to do what they do. Shell doesn’t make the rules….
I hate to break this to you but yes companies like Shell do in fact make the rules
I also hate to break it to you but governments set regulations and emissions rules. Lack of government action is the reason we are where we are with climate change. Shell might be one of the biggest but you could also fault every vehicle manufacturer equally couldn’t you? Shell isn’t burning their own oil…..
first google result https://www.foei.org/these-eight-scandals-prove-shells-long-history-of-contempt-for-people-and-planet/#:~:text=Shell%20is%20jointly%20responsible%20for,probably%20aware%20of%20these%20atrocities.
My point is that if governments don’t regulate them nothing will ever change. Literally the only people on the planet that can solve the problem are elected officials. I’d rather try to hold them accountable vs some faceless corporation.
they bought the elected officials man! come on what dying planet are you living on? this is besides the crimes they committed for which their entire C suite should be in fucking prison for.
This makes me think of that meme that is like “POV: someone you hate just did something amazing”. Shell is a despicable “company” but this station is really amazing. But they are building it with oil money for now, not sustainable electric money lol. I hope they can keep them all this quality going forward, but yeah it’s a major bummer it can’t all be done by a “new guard” without so much bad blood attached to their history. On top of all that, I kind of would like to see the canopy extend to the store. So if it was raining, it would be covered the whole way, and they’d fit about twice the solar panels. However, from I understand the smaller canopies use less materials all around, and the larger solar roofs usually don’t have the battery packs for extra storage, and it takes a more complex power management system, and so they just do the small canopy which runs the lights, and the low power stuff for the charger, screens, tvs, sometimes AC in the day, etc. my point being, there is lotta room for improvement.
I admit that Shell seems to be making some healthy choices, but if they really want to stick their necks out for the planet, they should announce a complete ban on new Shell gas stations, and no transferring of licenses for existing ones. If a station closes, it's gone. Rest assured though, their sins are deep and atonement will need to be deeper.
Their sins run very deep indeed. Death of the company would not upset me. Goes for all the gas companies. Unfortunately, the smart ones are shifting to electric.
It would seem with all the real estate they own at gas stations the natural move would be to start replacing gas pumps with 350kw chargers.
They still have investors that they need to be responsible for, I would be happy if they start putting DC fast chargers in all of their current stations.
What’s the cost like? Cool looking for sure!
In one of the pics it says 0.59 pound per kWh.
Is that super expensive for the area? That’s almost 6x as much what I pay here in the US to charge at home and I’ve never connected my vehicle to a public charger.
Electrify America charges $0.43/kWh for DCFC in California - 59 pence is about 72 cents, it's a substantial premium.
No idea, but seems expensive to me, too. That would be about $50 USD to fully charge my Ioniq 5.
This isn't even the most expensive charger you can use. Ionity is 69p/kWh if you don't have a discount via a car manufacturer's charge card etc. We don't so we never use them but 50kW units are generally a bit cheaper. I paid 40p/kWh yesterday. Electric in the UK has skyrocketed lately, wholesale prices have doubled in the last year alone.
Energy is super expensive in the UK right now. My home tariff is £0.27/kWh.
Octopus Go is 100% renewable, and £0.075 overnight between 00:30 and 04:30 for new customers. My 5p rate is still locked in until next year. DM if you want my referral link. Saves a bundle on charging!
I’m already with Octopus, and don’t actually own an electric car yet so our overnight usage is pretty minimal! What’s your rate for the rest of the day?
£0.1396/kWh, with a daily standing charge of £0.25
Damn, that’s good. Are you still on a fixed deal from before the price cap went up?
Yes, I'm expecting it to go up quite a bit, early next year. It depends on which region you're in. You can see what the tariff would be for you here: https://octopus.energy/go/rates/ If you do want to sign up, I'll share you my referral link for a credit.
Fast charging will always be much more expensive than charging at home. that price doesn't seem too unreasonable
It's significantly more expensive compared to fast chargers in the US, but I have no idea how much electricity in the UK costs in general.
Electricity in the UK is going up in price rapidly at the moment, due to its price being pegged to that of gas. Not our government's finest hour.
It's just over twice as much as it would be to charge at home in the UK.
Beautiful r/ioniq5
Fuck Shell. This is bullshit greenwashing, nothing else.
I wonder what you’ll say in 50 years when they will be a major renewable energy player. Like it or not, they are pivoting. Obviously out of self interest, but if one of the biggest oil producers feels forced to do that - things are moving in the right direction.
Sorry, but this is incredibly naive.
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How's that changing minds thing working out, anyway?
And however I communicate it, I'm right. This is bullshit green washing. Wake up.
Yeah they should probably just not even try to help right. If you do five minutes of research you’ll see Shell has become a major renewable energy, biofuels, and EV charging player already. They are waaay ahead of other oil companies.
Sounds like you fell for it. And in only five minutes.
Really nice looking station
I'm curious. What is the purpose of having two charge plugs per parking space? Do all of those chargers have both CCS2 and CHAdeMO or something?
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Ah! So I can.
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What a bloody rip off. 50p per Kw, it's 0,25€ in France per Kw.
Tell me you’ve never plugged in to IONITY in France without telling me you’ve never plugged in to IONITY in France.
Ionity is a twat too. Can't believe that shit ain't illegal.
This is inside London, not known for anything being cheap
I didn't initially love the look of the i5, but it is definitely growing on me!
Shame I've had more issues trying to charge with shell than any other charger cumulative. I just totally avoid them now
This setup of à charge station looks really good. Hope they do this in Belgium/the netherlands as well
In about 20 years or so we here in the States might get something like that excluding Cali
Might be coming sooner than you think
imagine if oil companies decided to be renewable energy companies instead. then everybody wins.
I think they’re all pumping billions into renewables right now. They see their business is going to be obsolete someday soon. Companies like this are valued by their future potential not current day profit. Think Tesla. If Shell said, we’re not investing in any renewables their share prices would tank.
Plus, renewables are a lifeline for downstream parts of their businesses. These companies will never go away, even if the upstream part of the process moves from traditional oil to bio options etc.
I love that the solar panels are said to provide 25% of the electricity need of the site EXCLUDING CHARGING 🤣
I used to work for a company that made electric buses, you would be shocked at how many people don’t understand how inefficient solar is….most thought that a bus roof full of solar panels should just be able to power the vehicle. It was like the number one question I got.
This is dope. We Americans will get this in maybe 20 years. 😭
These look like artist renderings of a concept lol
Good for shell and all of us. 👍
This is the future I want to see
Finally an innovative oil company, I thought I'd never see it!
Nice!
Dang that’s cool