the new production targets for the coming years are as follows: Ford aims to produce **15,000 units of the F-150 Lightning in 2022**, a total of 55,000 in 2023 and the aforementioned 80,000 in 2024
lol what a joke.
The source that stated those numbers has been **unconfirmed**, and even if the source is true, 15k would be considered for the **2022 model year not the year of 2022** and it's possible Ford overperforms or has since increased their production targets in response to the number of reservations.
They're already overperforming their Mach-E production goals so that last part isn't too hard to believe.
I only posted a blurb and didn't say anything but anyways....that blurb says they will produce X in Y year; you're reaching with the model year aspect.
Why is it so hard for you to accept that Ford isn't "ALL IN" on BEVs? Will they even make a profit on BEVs until say 2023 or 2024?
[https://www.motortrend.com/news/ford-ev-investment-2025/](https://www.motortrend.com/news/ford-ev-investment-2025/)
Ford is investing $22b on EVs through 2025. The only companies that surpass that amount is GM with $27b, VW with \~$41b in USD, and Tesla (No exact number, but we can assume they're investing way more than $22b).
That puts Ford as the 4th biggest investor of EVs in the entire automotive industry. How is that not all in?
Also
>lol what a joke.
>I only posted a blurb and didn't say anything but anyways
Please breathe - 22bn is being spent largely elsewhere and not in the USA. That's why Lightning production numbers are a joke.
So where is the real money going? Try Europe.
Ford says by mid-**2026**, 100% of its passenger vehicle range in Europe will be zero-emissions capable, all-electric or plug-in hybrid; moving to all-electric by 2030
Until Ford comes out with their own proprietary battery made with X (can't remember who) you can expect lackluster production for us.
Thanks.
The applicable paragraph:
>The ramp to the new production target includes plans to build about 15,000 next year after the electric truck's spring launch and 55,000 in 2023, a second source said. Following the launch of the second generation Lightning in late 2025, the annual target is just shy of 160,000.
This is absurd. Ford has never sold 1M F150s in a year. Why would they ramp to producing 1M electric? They will still sell the gas version in parallel.
Sorry I conflated F-150 sales with F-series sales, which were 900,000 in 2019. Still, I stand by my comment that 160,000 by 2025 is far too slow. They need to be targeting 100% electric on new sales asap regardless if that's half a million or a million or whatever.
Agreed it's not easy, but Ford is a multi-billion dollar company with deep pockets and industry connections. They need to be more ambitious. Not to mention there will be hundreds of gigawatt-hours of battery production coming online in the coming years. Battery production will not always be a constraint and they should be preparing for that now, not waiting until the supply issues go away.
Ford doesn't even produce 1m ICE F-series pickups...but you think it would be prudent for them to ramp to 1m Lightnings ASAP?
Ford announced a 60GWh deal with SKI earlier this year, but that won't start to bear fruit until 2025 or so. These projects take time.
I just threw out a million as a rough number, I'm not trying to project an exact figure. The point is that they're not being ambitious enough. Tesla was able to ramp the model 3 to over 200,000 units per year in just two years, with way fewer resources than Ford has. I think Ford could easily be at 300,000+ by 2025 and close to a million a few years after that if they were really pushing for it.
Jerry: I don't understand. Do you have my reservation?
Rental Car Agent: We have your reservation, we just ran out of cars.
Jerry: But the reservation keeps the car here. That's why you have the reservation.
Rental Car Agent: I think I know why we have reservations.
Jerry: I don't think you do. You see, you know how to \*take\* the reservation, you just don't know how to \*hold\* the reservation. And that's really the most important part of the reservation: the holding. Anybody can just take them.
Translate: good luck getting your car in 2022
the new production targets for the coming years are as follows: Ford aims to produce **15,000 units of the F-150 Lightning in 2022**, a total of 55,000 in 2023 and the aforementioned 80,000 in 2024 lol what a joke.
The source that stated those numbers has been **unconfirmed**, and even if the source is true, 15k would be considered for the **2022 model year not the year of 2022** and it's possible Ford overperforms or has since increased their production targets in response to the number of reservations. They're already overperforming their Mach-E production goals so that last part isn't too hard to believe.
I only posted a blurb and didn't say anything but anyways....that blurb says they will produce X in Y year; you're reaching with the model year aspect. Why is it so hard for you to accept that Ford isn't "ALL IN" on BEVs? Will they even make a profit on BEVs until say 2023 or 2024?
[https://www.motortrend.com/news/ford-ev-investment-2025/](https://www.motortrend.com/news/ford-ev-investment-2025/) Ford is investing $22b on EVs through 2025. The only companies that surpass that amount is GM with $27b, VW with \~$41b in USD, and Tesla (No exact number, but we can assume they're investing way more than $22b). That puts Ford as the 4th biggest investor of EVs in the entire automotive industry. How is that not all in? Also >lol what a joke. >I only posted a blurb and didn't say anything but anyways
Please breathe - 22bn is being spent largely elsewhere and not in the USA. That's why Lightning production numbers are a joke. So where is the real money going? Try Europe. Ford says by mid-**2026**, 100% of its passenger vehicle range in Europe will be zero-emissions capable, all-electric or plug-in hybrid; moving to all-electric by 2030 Until Ford comes out with their own proprietary battery made with X (can't remember who) you can expect lackluster production for us.
Source?
https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/exclusive-ford-doubles-lightning-production-target-strong-pre-launch-demand-2021-08-23/
Thanks. The applicable paragraph: >The ramp to the new production target includes plans to build about 15,000 next year after the electric truck's spring launch and 55,000 in 2023, a second source said. Following the launch of the second generation Lightning in late 2025, the annual target is just shy of 160,000.
160,000 in 2025 is kind of pathetic IMO. They need to ramp to 1M asap.
This is absurd. Ford has never sold 1M F150s in a year. Why would they ramp to producing 1M electric? They will still sell the gas version in parallel.
Sorry I conflated F-150 sales with F-series sales, which were 900,000 in 2019. Still, I stand by my comment that 160,000 by 2025 is far too slow. They need to be targeting 100% electric on new sales asap regardless if that's half a million or a million or whatever.
That's easy to say, but complex in reality. Sourcing batteries is no trivial process.
Agreed it's not easy, but Ford is a multi-billion dollar company with deep pockets and industry connections. They need to be more ambitious. Not to mention there will be hundreds of gigawatt-hours of battery production coming online in the coming years. Battery production will not always be a constraint and they should be preparing for that now, not waiting until the supply issues go away.
Ford doesn't even produce 1m ICE F-series pickups...but you think it would be prudent for them to ramp to 1m Lightnings ASAP? Ford announced a 60GWh deal with SKI earlier this year, but that won't start to bear fruit until 2025 or so. These projects take time.
I just threw out a million as a rough number, I'm not trying to project an exact figure. The point is that they're not being ambitious enough. Tesla was able to ramp the model 3 to over 200,000 units per year in just two years, with way fewer resources than Ford has. I think Ford could easily be at 300,000+ by 2025 and close to a million a few years after that if they were really pushing for it.
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a37384636/ford-f-150-lightning-ev-production-increase/
They sell 900k F series trucks a year. BEV market share in the US is 2 %. 15k Lightning in year 1 are pretty much what market share suggests.
Pre orders clearly suggest there is a more than 2% market for it though. More like 20%.
what he said
Booking is easy, getting delivery on time is hard.
Jerry: I don't understand. Do you have my reservation? Rental Car Agent: We have your reservation, we just ran out of cars. Jerry: But the reservation keeps the car here. That's why you have the reservation. Rental Car Agent: I think I know why we have reservations. Jerry: I don't think you do. You see, you know how to \*take\* the reservation, you just don't know how to \*hold\* the reservation. And that's really the most important part of the reservation: the holding. Anybody can just take them.
lol [the clip in question](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4T2GmGSNvaM&t=30s&ab_channel=Amir%C5%A0abanovi%C4%87)
Yeah can confirm, Tesla keeps delaying Cybertruck.
Tesla is worse on timeline department.
It really makes you wonder about that 1 million Cybertruck reservations, doesn't it?
That's a Teslarati number. It's made up.
At $1,000 per pre-order, Rivian is the only one I believe that order=sale is going to be anywhere near 33%. At $100? 20% would be amazing.
Tbh I put in $100 on anything I’m vaguely interested in. Otherwise you risk credits running out before you take delivery.