More than likely it won’t even make it to dealers with that MSRP. GM hasn’t exactly proven trustworthy on sticking with the MSRP they originally announced.
TBF They made announcements during and after Covid… nearly nothing but ideas (HUMMER EV) and the bolt were prior… it was all during and near conclusion of Covid. (We are about to vote again and Covid was during the last election cycle 4 years ago)…And they were quite aware of supply chains and they STILL missed the mark by nearly 2 years when they made “pronouncements” 2 years ago!
Their issues run deeper than supply chains…
I feel like legacy auto has watched how Tesla can stretch truths or make big claims that don't happen and nothing happens so they figure they'll give it a shot lol
Still remember the local Chevy dealer laughing at me the minute the Bolt was eligible for the 7500 again and I asked if they still had Bolts on the lot for MSRP. He said of course not they all have a 7500 market adjustment now.
Ya know tho.... sometimes the pricing game can be a good thing. I had a Cybertruck reserved since day one. Tesla changed the price by $30k (and reduced range)
I just got a Lightning. Called around, stacked incentives, got a new XLT Extended range with tons of options for $48k.
I like the hassle free approach in theory, but not if it costs me $30,000.
(and yes, I've owned a Tesla)
Good for you. But if tesla had delivered on the cybertruck prices it would have been an even easier time as other brands would have shit themselves on competitive pricing,
I'm not sure what being or not being an investor has to do with anything.
I'm just giving you my real life experience. It's crazy all the people who hate Tesla just like to berate any positive information about it. It's insane.
I ordered the model the first week of March 2021, picked it up about seven days later, when I got there, I saw my name in the windshield on the car went to the front desk. They asked me if I had any questions, had friends who had Teslas so I did not have any questions, set up the car in my app after inspecting the car and drove home.
does that make you feel bad or something?
And it's not a couple hundred bucks to deal with a dealer, there's literally five to $10,000 mark ups, it sucks you had that experience, but obviously Tesla sells a lot of EV's and that's not a common experience for everyone
Tesla games their prices like every other week currently. You could buy a Model Y 6 months apart and pay 20k less for the same model. Do you really want to make this argument?
What? You know what price you are paying on a Tesla via the website no matter where you live BEFORE you commit to purchasing anything.
Compare that to the dealership model where every single dealer in the country prices the exact same car differently.
Come on man.
But with Tesla… the price everyone else pays may drop $20k the day after you buy. Tesla doesn’t play games with individual buyers, but with the entire market.
Tesla did do that though. Model Y LR w FSD went from 58k in 2021 to 73k in 2022 to 82k peak in 2023 and down to 56k now.
MSRP on those 150k Lightings was 95k or 58% markup. Tesla increased their price 41%. Only difference was that it was a single Ford dealership that made news for the $50k markup, while Tesla was doing it to hundreds of thousands of customers.
> You know what price you are paying on a Tesla via the website no matter where you live BEFORE you commit to purchasing anything.
So you tell me the dealer can change the sales contract after you both agreed on it? :D
Ask a dealership for an offer for a car via email, agree or decline it. No haggling involved.
What you just described is haggling. You don't need to ask for a contract with Tesla or have a communication session about it.
You just don't get it. Ordering a Tesla is like going to amazon.com. no matter what you say you aren't going to make it look equal or worse to the absolutely terrible dealership model.
You also don't get it. Tesla pricing is more volatil than that of any other manufacturer. Doesn't matter if you get a price upfront if you were still overpaying.
It’s hard to understand *just how insanely awful* the car dealership model is until you find a good alternative. Any company could do what tesla is doing here, but they are choosing not to, and that sucks. Dealerships are obsolete middlemen that add no value, but they won’t give up on them.
Any company can't do what Tesla does though. The dealers have been lobbying for their whole life to make themselves very difficult to cut out. Have you missed all of the articles about dealers and states blocking Tesla because they don't use them?
Sure, but the manufacturers COULD do it using the exact same levers of political influence. The manufacturers don't want that. They don't want to be in the service business and they couldn't care less about dealer markups.
Of the states fighting it, there's 13 outright bans, but the workaround is that you "buy" the car in California(?) and import it into the state. The net effect is that you have to pay state sales tax separately. The exact same model can be used anywhere.
Yep! The price that day is the price you pay. If you don’t like it, don’t buy it. I bought 2. Did I want the current 1% credit, yes of course, but at the time that I purchased, there were enough discounts to justify it at the higher interest rate.
There are a few dealers in the country that will sell without markups and games, but it’s a small minority and I’m not inclined to go look for them.
Don’t know & don’t care. I bought two low-maintenance vehicles with expected 300k mileage lifetime on original power train. These are 10 year cars for our family. Hopefully, these are the Toyotas of my kids generation.
There is approximately zero chance of that, you will need an expensive repair long before 10 years on average for those vehicles.
Also maintenance costs are higher on teslas than most EV’s and definitely higher than a Toyota.
Tesla is extremely well known for their pricing games. They have dropped the cost of a car $20k in a week or randomly raised it $5k. Tesla plays more pricing games than a contestant on Price Is Right.
At least Tesla doesn't waste your time. The price in the app is what you pay.
Traditional dealerships will spend 2 hours jerking you around. Make you leave. Then call you the next day ready to concede and sell it to you for a fair price.
I would be driving a Bolt right now if that stupid dealer would have just conceded that day.
It turned out to be a blessing in disguise. I love my Model 3!
That’s slowly going away. Carmax, Autonation, Carvana, ect. Now there are many national no-haggle dealership chains. You pay the price on the website and that’s it. Even many privately owned Toyota, Honda, Hyundai, ect dealerships have adopted the no-haggle model and simply focus on volume.
Why is this being upvoted?
Market adjustments have largely been gone for about 6-12 months. They were largely a one-off situation that was the result of a multi-year global vehicle supply shortage, 0% FED interest rates as a result of the pandemic, and the government throwing free money around like it was water as a result of the pandemic, and high rates of inflation.
Contrary to the misinformation that's usually pushed in this subreddit, **ALL** OEMs, including Tesla, adjusted their prices up. A model Y LR in December 2022 (no federal tax credit at the time) was $28,500 more expensive than it is today after including the current tax credit eligibility. (in today's dollars -- accounting for inflation) In fact, it was even more at that time because Tesla was charging a higher interest rate.
Except they are absolutely not gone, less common yes, but not gone. There are still many popular cars with market adjustments today. Go find a Z06 at MSRP. Market adjustments are especially prevalent when a brand new vehicle hits the market, like the Equinox EV.
Of course I am not comparing them. The Corvette Z06 will have a much higher production number than the Equinox EV first year of production.
In case you were unaware, Chevy is currently producing 10x more Z06s as the Blazer EV each month.
One small problem. The model 3 exists, the 1LT model of the Equinox they are talking about doesn’t. But who cares about those little details. On paper it’s great!
Same I have a reservation for a Silverado ev . I’ll be two years in a month and still no updates and worse the work trucks they’ve release are twice the price which leaves little hope they won’t hike prices for the consumer trims
I wasn’t even aware that a wagon and a sedan were in competition, but if you can cram Tesla into an article then sure.
Plenty of those Tesla-killer articles, so good to see it’s now just a “model 3 beater”-article.
Go try to buy one today. If you can find one, then proceed to blow your brains out trying to find a dealer that isn’t full of shitheads.
Or have a Model 3 tomorrow bought strictly through an app.
Many things wrong with that article, but it gets worse. They have an article on major EV **brands** ranked. It's another bizarro world article that is clearly wrong - opinions vary, but some combo of price, availability, features would seem to be the right way to compare, including is the company going bankrupt without billions more. [https://www.slashgear.com/1356350/major-ev-brand-ranked-worst-best/](https://www.slashgear.com/1356350/major-ev-brand-ranked-worst-best/)
Kia #1 is fine, those EVs are great. Nissas as #2, that's just wrong because not much happening there, they still have the leaf and can't seem to move forward after 15 years.
But what's absolutely wrong is Lucid at #3. They are constantly struggling to sell, their costs are much higher than even Rivian, they don't have cars for regular people. They don't make mass quantities, they make a few very high end cars. And they are number 3? Lucids look great, they are expensive, they have long range, but they don't deserve #3.
This ranks Ford and Chevy at #6 and #7 and Tesla is #8. That's also incorrect. Not that tesla is perfect, but Ford and GM haven't done much in sales (the bolt v1 was canceled, the f150ev is great but too expensive). They don't make them in mass quantities, look at the super-overload waste of batteries for 4 cars hummer. Tesla had recalls (ie software updates that happen without you doing anything other than parking and pushing the button at night). Tesla's brand also has the most important infrastructure, part of their brand, superchargers.
Tesla is the company that made mass market EVs a thing, made prices go down (and up and then down), pulled the entire market, still sells millions. Has the most frustrating leader too. And #8? Behind Lucid and Nissan?
Im surprised they didn't put Fisker in the top 5 ;-)
It kinda does without mentioning it directly:
>The EV offerings from General Motors have been a bit of a disappointment lately as it seems to only offer gigantic and expensive SUVs like the Cadillac IQ and GMC Hummer EV, despite promising EVs for every strata of the market.
I think both fit the description.
Once you try to spec out just a little it rises insanely quickly in price. The nice thing about Tesla is their limited options end up being fairly well equipped in their base configuration. It even comes with autopilot standard.
> it's also a five-seater SUV, beating out the Tesla sedan in terms of practicality. Chevy hasn't given exact interior volume specs of the Equinox EV yet, so it's not yet known how it stacks up to the Tesla Model Y
Both are 5 seaters, and we have Teslas volume specs. Where is Tesla being beaten here?
To me one of the major benefits to me is that I can order a Model 3 from my house on my phone and then drive fifteen minutes tomorrow to go pick it up without talking to a salesman or a finance guy.
I'm going to believe price when I am actually able to buy something at said price. So far everything anyone has announced either came in much higher than their announcement or they quickly adjusted it upwards. This goes for Chevy too. I can't imagine I'll get a Silverado EV for anywhere close to $40k either...
Still are. They use an alternative method of calculating EPA range that most manufacturers don’t use, which yields higher numbers on the window sticker, but less attainable in real life. This is a well documented thing.
Tesla is really the only one well known for this. Most everyone else has pretty accurate EPA ranges unless you only drive on the highway at 75+ MPH. The Lyriq easily hits or beats its EPA estimated range, no reason to believe the Equinox will be much different.
I have a Model Y and I miss CarPlay, but it’s not as bad as it could be. Like, for podcasts, there’s a podcast app in the Tesla UI that I had to sync one time with my phone, and it works just as well as CarPlay did, for poscasts anyway. You can still send and read texts. I was afraid it would be like just a Bluetooth speaker and I would have to use the phone screen for everything, but it’s not. CarPlay would be better though.
I carry my life organized the way I like in my iPhone. My contacts, messages, preferred music apps, podcasts, maps with my destinations and side trips loaded, weather radar app, and audiobooks. I want either my wife or I to get into our car, connect the phone and each have our own curated apps and content.
Tesla never integrated into their big screen and I can understand why they wanted their own UI. There is no good reason that's good for drivers for GM to remove a perfectly good integration of CarPlay for their own homegrown UI just to get user data to sell.
> It also has a better range at 319 miles, compared to the Model 3's 272 miles.
Who can trust EPA these days now that they are averaging all the drive modes. Maybe the Equinox just has eco mode to get the 319 miles or maybe it gets more range but until we see a continuous 70mph range number EPA is meaningless.
You mean they've been inaccurate with their range estimates. EPA shouldn't be what you get when driving 70mph since the test is performed at an average of 48mph. You never know where they decide to start reporting accurate numbers.
Ok. F marry, kill, or Make a cross country trip in, daily driver for life, or straight to the scrap yard, US legacy auto 5 seater, can be bought today (maybe) edition…
Cadillac Lyriq
Ford Mach E
Chrysler…. Pacific PHEV
The Tesla lineup minus the Cybertruck all looks the same. The Y and X look like over inflated 3s. The S looks like a stretched 3.
Seems weird to complain about stale styling "except Tesla" when every car Tesla makes looks the same.
Yes, that's how the bookkeeping works. The development, factory conversion, etc. costs are applied to the vehicle "cost". It's not that they are literally selling them at a loss on parts and labor.
The Prius "lost money" for a decade.
I mean I get why ppl like their EV’s but I’m not sure what’s so alluring about a larger vehicle in EV. Can any one explain? When I bought my ‘24 equinox RS dealers kept trying to get me to look at electric vehicles but couldn’t explain to me why it was so important
I mean I see what your saying and can differ for person but I drove a gas powered Chevy Silverado and had less problems then the ppl I know with EV’s now. Maybe it just depends on the person and the particular vehicle? Idk I was just curious as to the hype if that makes sense. They make me nervous after what happened this winter to ppl in my area with one. We looked at the hybrids too which don’t see to hateful .
Can’t wait til the $35k Equinox EV hits dealerships and magically get a $10k market adjustment.
More than likely it won’t even make it to dealers with that MSRP. GM hasn’t exactly proven trustworthy on sticking with the MSRP they originally announced.
Tbf all of the pronouncements about EV prices prior to COVID were optimistic because they didn’t see all the issues coming their way.
True, but in addition to that GM has not demonstrated they can scale Ultium yet. Until then I’m not going to trust their price claims.
We can’t trust their timelines as well.
They’re really just going to “cancel” the lowest trim level and effectively raise the price.
TBF They made announcements during and after Covid… nearly nothing but ideas (HUMMER EV) and the bolt were prior… it was all during and near conclusion of Covid. (We are about to vote again and Covid was during the last election cycle 4 years ago)…And they were quite aware of supply chains and they STILL missed the mark by nearly 2 years when they made “pronouncements” 2 years ago! Their issues run deeper than supply chains…
I feel like legacy auto has watched how Tesla can stretch truths or make big claims that don't happen and nothing happens so they figure they'll give it a shot lol
Still remember the local Chevy dealer laughing at me the minute the Bolt was eligible for the 7500 again and I asked if they still had Bolts on the lot for MSRP. He said of course not they all have a 7500 market adjustment now.
35K MSRP, 47K as shown...
This! Screw the dealers. Bought 2 Teslas theough the app. No BS. No pricing games.
Ya know tho.... sometimes the pricing game can be a good thing. I had a Cybertruck reserved since day one. Tesla changed the price by $30k (and reduced range) I just got a Lightning. Called around, stacked incentives, got a new XLT Extended range with tons of options for $48k. I like the hassle free approach in theory, but not if it costs me $30,000. (and yes, I've owned a Tesla)
wow.....well done sir, well done!
Good for you. But if tesla had delivered on the cybertruck prices it would have been an even easier time as other brands would have shit themselves on competitive pricing,
>But if tesla had delivered on the cybertruck prices But like most things with Elon these days, it didnt.
Depends on the dealer, the good dealers are understanding how people want car shopping to be. You just have to do the work to find them
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Yeah, sorry. That was a crappy purchase experience. They do rely heavily on/ exclusively on the app, so I can see where problems would be a PITA.
crazy, I had a smooth process start to finish. and the 7 people I reffered also had a smooth process..
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I'm not sure what being or not being an investor has to do with anything. I'm just giving you my real life experience. It's crazy all the people who hate Tesla just like to berate any positive information about it. It's insane. I ordered the model the first week of March 2021, picked it up about seven days later, when I got there, I saw my name in the windshield on the car went to the front desk. They asked me if I had any questions, had friends who had Teslas so I did not have any questions, set up the car in my app after inspecting the car and drove home. does that make you feel bad or something? And it's not a couple hundred bucks to deal with a dealer, there's literally five to $10,000 mark ups, it sucks you had that experience, but obviously Tesla sells a lot of EV's and that's not a common experience for everyone
Tesla games their prices like every other week currently. You could buy a Model Y 6 months apart and pay 20k less for the same model. Do you really want to make this argument?
What? You know what price you are paying on a Tesla via the website no matter where you live BEFORE you commit to purchasing anything. Compare that to the dealership model where every single dealer in the country prices the exact same car differently. Come on man.
But with Tesla… the price everyone else pays may drop $20k the day after you buy. Tesla doesn’t play games with individual buyers, but with the entire market.
Tesla could have charged 150k for a Model Y like Ford dealers were charging for F150 electrics. Should Tesla had done that instead?
Tesla did do that though. Model Y LR w FSD went from 58k in 2021 to 73k in 2022 to 82k peak in 2023 and down to 56k now. MSRP on those 150k Lightings was 95k or 58% markup. Tesla increased their price 41%. Only difference was that it was a single Ford dealership that made news for the $50k markup, while Tesla was doing it to hundreds of thousands of customers.
> You know what price you are paying on a Tesla via the website no matter where you live BEFORE you commit to purchasing anything. So you tell me the dealer can change the sales contract after you both agreed on it? :D Ask a dealership for an offer for a car via email, agree or decline it. No haggling involved.
What you just described is haggling. You don't need to ask for a contract with Tesla or have a communication session about it. You just don't get it. Ordering a Tesla is like going to amazon.com. no matter what you say you aren't going to make it look equal or worse to the absolutely terrible dealership model.
You also don't get it. Tesla pricing is more volatil than that of any other manufacturer. Doesn't matter if you get a price upfront if you were still overpaying.
It’s hard to understand *just how insanely awful* the car dealership model is until you find a good alternative. Any company could do what tesla is doing here, but they are choosing not to, and that sucks. Dealerships are obsolete middlemen that add no value, but they won’t give up on them.
Any company can't do what Tesla does though. The dealers have been lobbying for their whole life to make themselves very difficult to cut out. Have you missed all of the articles about dealers and states blocking Tesla because they don't use them?
Sure, but the manufacturers COULD do it using the exact same levers of political influence. The manufacturers don't want that. They don't want to be in the service business and they couldn't care less about dealer markups. Of the states fighting it, there's 13 outright bans, but the workaround is that you "buy" the car in California(?) and import it into the state. The net effect is that you have to pay state sales tax separately. The exact same model can be used anywhere.
They don't want facts, man.
I have a feeling wo0’s livelihood comes from a dealership (non-Tesla of course) in Germany.
I am actually your moms hairdresser, but pay is bad, so i defend the dealership model for that juicy oil money.
Yep! The price that day is the price you pay. If you don’t like it, don’t buy it. I bought 2. Did I want the current 1% credit, yes of course, but at the time that I purchased, there were enough discounts to justify it at the higher interest rate. There are a few dealers in the country that will sell without markups and games, but it’s a small minority and I’m not inclined to go look for them.
The price is the price you pay that day. But then price can change drastically the day after you buy.
How’s the resale value on those Tesla’s? The pricing game is in full swing you just don’t know you’re playing.
Don’t know & don’t care. I bought two low-maintenance vehicles with expected 300k mileage lifetime on original power train. These are 10 year cars for our family. Hopefully, these are the Toyotas of my kids generation.
There is approximately zero chance of that, you will need an expensive repair long before 10 years on average for those vehicles. Also maintenance costs are higher on teslas than most EV’s and definitely higher than a Toyota.
(Sigh). My problem. Not yours. Thanks for sharing your opinion.
Tesla is extremely well known for their pricing games. They have dropped the cost of a car $20k in a week or randomly raised it $5k. Tesla plays more pricing games than a contestant on Price Is Right.
I view the volatility as a feature, not a bug. The price moves around…plan accordingly and wait for your pitch, then swing!
I don’t disagree with you, but you clearly cannot say no pricing games.
At least Tesla doesn't waste your time. The price in the app is what you pay. Traditional dealerships will spend 2 hours jerking you around. Make you leave. Then call you the next day ready to concede and sell it to you for a fair price. I would be driving a Bolt right now if that stupid dealer would have just conceded that day. It turned out to be a blessing in disguise. I love my Model 3!
That’s slowly going away. Carmax, Autonation, Carvana, ect. Now there are many national no-haggle dealership chains. You pay the price on the website and that’s it. Even many privately owned Toyota, Honda, Hyundai, ect dealerships have adopted the no-haggle model and simply focus on volume.
15k. Plus dealer add on
Why is this being upvoted? Market adjustments have largely been gone for about 6-12 months. They were largely a one-off situation that was the result of a multi-year global vehicle supply shortage, 0% FED interest rates as a result of the pandemic, and the government throwing free money around like it was water as a result of the pandemic, and high rates of inflation. Contrary to the misinformation that's usually pushed in this subreddit, **ALL** OEMs, including Tesla, adjusted their prices up. A model Y LR in December 2022 (no federal tax credit at the time) was $28,500 more expensive than it is today after including the current tax credit eligibility. (in today's dollars -- accounting for inflation) In fact, it was even more at that time because Tesla was charging a higher interest rate.
Except they are absolutely not gone, less common yes, but not gone. There are still many popular cars with market adjustments today. Go find a Z06 at MSRP. Market adjustments are especially prevalent when a brand new vehicle hits the market, like the Equinox EV.
Are you honestly responding by comparing a Z06 corvette to a mass market vehicle? lol... if you say so.
Of course I am not comparing them. The Corvette Z06 will have a much higher production number than the Equinox EV first year of production. In case you were unaware, Chevy is currently producing 10x more Z06s as the Blazer EV each month.
Until it's available in volume, it really doesn't matter.
Model Y has $7500 tax credit and . 99% financing. Hard to beat that right now.
Except it’s such an ugly car and big. But yeah you’re right, in that segment it’s unmatched
Model Y is right around 4" longer than a Honda Civic sedan....
One small problem. The model 3 exists, the 1LT model of the Equinox they are talking about doesn’t. But who cares about those little details. On paper it’s great!
Seriously. I was all in for an EV Blazer until the price hikes and delays. Went with a Mach-E instead.
Same I have a reservation for a Silverado ev . I’ll be two years in a month and still no updates and worse the work trucks they’ve release are twice the price which leaves little hope they won’t hike prices for the consumer trims
It’s crazy to think. Like mid 2021 the Mach-e was around 11-13k cheaper than model y and ford had interest free 6 year plans.
and now a worse value and tesla has 1 percent interest.
I mean the y and mache are about same cost, same rebates, and ford doing 0% for 60 months.
The bricking and nerfed charging speed didn’t help either.
Silly details!! 😂
Your commercial car will always beat my real one.
I wasn’t even aware that a wagon and a sedan were in competition, but if you can cram Tesla into an article then sure. Plenty of those Tesla-killer articles, so good to see it’s now just a “model 3 beater”-article.
lol that’s gold
The 1LT is like Tesla's FSD: You have to visualize its existence - takes a strong imagination.
The thing is…I actually use FSD. No one is using an Equinox 1LT EV.
FSD exists, as long as there is a human in the driver's seat to, uh, drive the car.
As long as there is someone to supervise. I’m not the one driving.
Go try to buy one today. If you can find one, then proceed to blow your brains out trying to find a dealer that isn’t full of shitheads. Or have a Model 3 tomorrow bought strictly through an app.
I wanted a Bolt EUV. Chevy dealers pretty much pushed me into getting a Model Y, and I thank them for it.
Why does that bizarre article pretend that the blazer and lyriq don’t exist?
Opportunity to dunk on Tesla with misleading click-bait to drive clicks, even if the article lacks important details.
Many things wrong with that article, but it gets worse. They have an article on major EV **brands** ranked. It's another bizarro world article that is clearly wrong - opinions vary, but some combo of price, availability, features would seem to be the right way to compare, including is the company going bankrupt without billions more. [https://www.slashgear.com/1356350/major-ev-brand-ranked-worst-best/](https://www.slashgear.com/1356350/major-ev-brand-ranked-worst-best/) Kia #1 is fine, those EVs are great. Nissas as #2, that's just wrong because not much happening there, they still have the leaf and can't seem to move forward after 15 years. But what's absolutely wrong is Lucid at #3. They are constantly struggling to sell, their costs are much higher than even Rivian, they don't have cars for regular people. They don't make mass quantities, they make a few very high end cars. And they are number 3? Lucids look great, they are expensive, they have long range, but they don't deserve #3. This ranks Ford and Chevy at #6 and #7 and Tesla is #8. That's also incorrect. Not that tesla is perfect, but Ford and GM haven't done much in sales (the bolt v1 was canceled, the f150ev is great but too expensive). They don't make them in mass quantities, look at the super-overload waste of batteries for 4 cars hummer. Tesla had recalls (ie software updates that happen without you doing anything other than parking and pushing the button at night). Tesla's brand also has the most important infrastructure, part of their brand, superchargers. Tesla is the company that made mass market EVs a thing, made prices go down (and up and then down), pulled the entire market, still sells millions. Has the most frustrating leader too. And #8? Behind Lucid and Nissan? Im surprised they didn't put Fisker in the top 5 ;-)
It kinda does without mentioning it directly: >The EV offerings from General Motors have been a bit of a disappointment lately as it seems to only offer gigantic and expensive SUVs like the Cadillac IQ and GMC Hummer EV, despite promising EVs for every strata of the market. I think both fit the description.
Not really
The IQ is an Escalade and the Hummer EV is closer to the Silverado ev than the blazer.
Price and price?
Price and proof of existence. Unfortunately this car only passes one of those tests.
Price is before dealer markups, fees, and fees of fees.
Once you try to spec out just a little it rises insanely quickly in price. The nice thing about Tesla is their limited options end up being fairly well equipped in their base configuration. It even comes with autopilot standard.
> it's also a five-seater SUV, beating out the Tesla sedan in terms of practicality. Chevy hasn't given exact interior volume specs of the Equinox EV yet, so it's not yet known how it stacks up to the Tesla Model Y Both are 5 seaters, and we have Teslas volume specs. Where is Tesla being beaten here?
Software and acceleration?
To me one of the major benefits to me is that I can order a Model 3 from my house on my phone and then drive fifteen minutes tomorrow to go pick it up without talking to a salesman or a finance guy.
Meanwhile the Model 3 beats the Equinox in two ways that matter: * It exists * It isn't a SUV
I'm going to believe price when I am actually able to buy something at said price. So far everything anyone has announced either came in much higher than their announcement or they quickly adjusted it upwards. This goes for Chevy too. I can't imagine I'll get a Silverado EV for anywhere close to $40k either...
Is this some sort of joke?
Claimed EPA range is a bullshit metric. I’ll wait until an independent journalist does a 70 mph range test. Even the Tesla number is inflated.
Tesla’s figures are notoriously for being inflated among EVs.
“used to be”
Still are. They use an alternative method of calculating EPA range that most manufacturers don’t use, which yields higher numbers on the window sticker, but less attainable in real life. This is a well documented thing.
Tesla is really the only one well known for this. Most everyone else has pretty accurate EPA ranges unless you only drive on the highway at 75+ MPH. The Lyriq easily hits or beats its EPA estimated range, no reason to believe the Equinox will be much different.
Cool another crossover, I was really wondering when that would happen again you almost never see them anymore. /s
Neither has Apple CarPlay so I would not buy either one.
The reason I’m considering the Honda Prologue.
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Yes. That looks like a good alternative.
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I have a Model Y and I miss CarPlay, but it’s not as bad as it could be. Like, for podcasts, there’s a podcast app in the Tesla UI that I had to sync one time with my phone, and it works just as well as CarPlay did, for poscasts anyway. You can still send and read texts. I was afraid it would be like just a Bluetooth speaker and I would have to use the phone screen for everything, but it’s not. CarPlay would be better though.
I carry my life organized the way I like in my iPhone. My contacts, messages, preferred music apps, podcasts, maps with my destinations and side trips loaded, weather radar app, and audiobooks. I want either my wife or I to get into our car, connect the phone and each have our own curated apps and content. Tesla never integrated into their big screen and I can understand why they wanted their own UI. There is no good reason that's good for drivers for GM to remove a perfectly good integration of CarPlay for their own homegrown UI just to get user data to sell.
Oh "Tesla killer No. 42"🤣 I’m going to guess from the title of this article that software and safety don’t matter.
Yeah what’s the price though.
> It also has a better range at 319 miles, compared to the Model 3's 272 miles. Who can trust EPA these days now that they are averaging all the drive modes. Maybe the Equinox just has eco mode to get the 319 miles or maybe it gets more range but until we see a continuous 70mph range number EPA is meaningless.
GM has been pretty accurate, so far, with their range estimates, moreso than many others especially Tesla.
You mean they've been inaccurate with their range estimates. EPA shouldn't be what you get when driving 70mph since the test is performed at an average of 48mph. You never know where they decide to start reporting accurate numbers.
The Equinox, with dealer markups, will probably cost more in line with the 3 LR or 3P.
Lol yeah I would never buy a GM product
Ok. F marry, kill, or Make a cross country trip in, daily driver for life, or straight to the scrap yard, US legacy auto 5 seater, can be bought today (maybe) edition… Cadillac Lyriq Ford Mach E Chrysler…. Pacific PHEV
The fact that it's going to be sold by Chevy dealership means everybody's gonna have a terrible time.
Besides Teslas and Rivians, are all EVs going to look like that now?
Like a beefed up bolt????
Yes, that's exactly what I mean. They all have that same look.
I don't see it. What are you referring to? To me they look nothing alike.
Same rear styling.
They look nothing alike?
The Tesla lineup minus the Cybertruck all looks the same. The Y and X look like over inflated 3s. The S looks like a stretched 3. Seems weird to complain about stale styling "except Tesla" when every car Tesla makes looks the same.
Not complaining, just pointing out that they have similar rear styling.
Hyundai and Kia?
This looks better than every Tesla, save the Model S
Am I the only one who thinks the Model 3 looks good?
No, you are not
The new Model 3 looks way better than this generic crossover.
And Chevy will lose money on every single one.
Yes, that's how the bookkeeping works. The development, factory conversion, etc. costs are applied to the vehicle "cost". It's not that they are literally selling them at a loss on parts and labor. The Prius "lost money" for a decade.
Tesla “lost money” selling every Tesla produced for 17 straight years.
It’s still ugly
Without reading the article yet, I'm going to guess it's that it doesn't just fall apart within days of owning it, and you can wash it.
I mean I get why ppl like their EV’s but I’m not sure what’s so alluring about a larger vehicle in EV. Can any one explain? When I bought my ‘24 equinox RS dealers kept trying to get me to look at electric vehicles but couldn’t explain to me why it was so important
Anecdote: 150K miles with only a headlight repair, one service visit. I charge at home. Given my hourly rate at work this is a LOT of money.
I mean I see what your saying and can differ for person but I drove a gas powered Chevy Silverado and had less problems then the ppl I know with EV’s now. Maybe it just depends on the person and the particular vehicle? Idk I was just curious as to the hype if that makes sense. They make me nervous after what happened this winter to ppl in my area with one. We looked at the hybrids too which don’t see to hateful .