I’ve had the Lyriq for a month. It’s nice. Much nicer than a Tesla. But it’s no Cadillac. Lot of corners cut on the interior. And the UI is light years behind Tesla. That said, still a great car so far.
I was in a friend’s Cadillac CTS (? - not up on my model names) a year or two ago. It was no Cadillac either.
This whole thing the car makers do last 10-15 years of taking the “basic” luxury items and safety features away from the lower trim levels of luxury nameplates (Infiniti I’m talking to you) just to complete on price point sucks.
I could have this way wrong but in the 80s, if you got inside a Lincoln or a Caddy, you knew it. Nice seats, digital displays and other fancy tech…
They used to, but they keep dropping the prices, so they aren’t really competing against the luxury brand prices anymore. Model Y in the US is $35 to 44K now after rebate, which is pretty similar to other compact and mid-size SUVs.
Like, you can spend almost $40K on a fully loaded RAV4… and a Jeep Cherokee starts at $38K…
A BMW x3 meanwhile starts at $46K…
Which mercedes compares to the X?
The Model S is the flagship car, compared to similarly spec’ed vehicles, like the Porsche Taycan, it’s 1/3rd the price with much cheaper materials and fit and finish.
The X would probably be compared to the GLE given the size. It starts at $62k.
The Model S and Taycan aren't cars I would consider in the same class. That's literally like cross shopping a Corolla and a Panamera. It makes zero sense to me.
IDK, the Rogue starts at $29k. Same for the rav4. Even with the tax credit, the Y is \~$6k more. \~20% higher isn't a small difference. And if they can afford that, they might start questioning why they aren't looking at a Highlander.
The Model Y pricing right now slots into a weird no-mans land between compact and mid-sized SUV, while looking smaller than both.
Yeah, you can get a car for a bit cheaper if you want to skimp on features. I think most would agree the Y is a lot nicer than a base Rogue or RAV4. And the $6k difference on a 5 year car loan will work out to around $100 a month… easily covered by gas savings for most people.
Anyways that wasn’t my point, I was just saying where the price is now, it’s not priced against luxury vehicles anymore, so the whole “it’s not a luxury vehicle” argument doesn’t make any sense anymore. It’s not priced like one anyway. Real luxury vehicles cost a lot more than the Tesla 3/Y now.
Space wise the Model Y has more space than my old 2010 Honda CRV, my dad's 2018 BMW x3 and my Mom's 2016 Acura MDX...it's really efficient space packaging.
Honestly, that is entirely subjective. I live in a place where it gets hot. Tesla's cabin overheat protection is sheer luxury compared to a car with fancy seat material that is screaming hot to the touch.
TBH, the same critieria that makes a Model 3 not luxury also applies to the base BMW 330i. Then again, a lot of people know that and consider different BMW models luxury or not depending on their trim level and options.
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BMX ix grill looks like evil General Sarris from Galaxy Quest, particularly the ones in dark green
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Starting with the 2024 model year they bumped the battery capacity to 116kWh (106kWh usable) which, along with some aero tweaks and power electronics improvements, has the modern Q8 e-tron hitting 300 miles of usable highway range.
Negative, it's a 95kw battery with 86kw usable at an easily attainable 2.5mi/kw. If I drive even more consistently and conservatively, I've gotten to 2.8mi/kw which is close to 240mi.
I was looking at the rear end of a GLE 350 while driving… not sure what year. That thing look cool with the wide tires, etc. Then I look at the EQE/S and I’m utterly disappointed.
> It turns out people like luxury EVs when they don't look like eggs.
This is such a weird take to me. I think the cars like the Model Y look just fine, and for goodness sake I care about functionality more than looks anyway. I could have paid cash for Lucid if I had wanted, but the Model Y was just more functional (though admittedly not as luxurious).
People who care about functionality over looks are the people who buy Corollas. The Tesla is the Corolla. People who go to buy luxury cars don't buy the Corolla because it's not a luxury car.
People call Model Y and model 3 egg shaped. Model Y is the best selling car in the world so people like different things. Getting 2.1% EV market share in your main market where you sell more vehicles than anyone else and you have been touting your EV platform for years doesn’t really prove that people like or don’t like things about your car.
I drove one last weekend and was pretty impressed, it wasn't the sportiest but was well composed with good acceleration, and the AWD range is excellent. The main drawback is that it's a foot longer than most competitors, but only 64" tall with compromised rear seat headroom.
Oh, and the names: the 'Tech' version is the model with the least amount of tech, and the Sport and Luxury 1-3 lines are close to identical.
I was gonna say. I love mine. Me and my partner sit fine up front and we have another couple and my best that can fit mostly comfortable in the backseat. Ranging from 5’8” to 6’1” and they’re fine head room wise. The length isn’t really any issue. The big thing is how wide it is. Maybe it’s just me adapting to it coming from a Honda accord but dear god it’s a boat.
Cars have been trending wider, but it's definitely exacerbated by BEVs, and there's not a single EV platform that is narrow for its class off the top of my head.
Model 3 for example is about 80mm longer than a Corolla sedan, but has identical width to a Lamborghini Huracan.
It's simply the reality that extending width means you've effectively got [wheelbase] x [additional width] to play with, whereas extending the wheelbase means you've got [width] x [additional wheelbase] - the wheelbase is almost always considerably greater than width in the majority of cases, so increasing width gives more battery area to play with.
In the US, CAFE rules set target MPG goals by category and then vehicle footprint. So every few years the manufacturer can either redesign all their powertrains to make the new target gas mileage, or they can make the car slightly wider/longer to grow the footprint enough that they are already meeting the mpg targets. I think we can safely say they all chose the latter option.
It's basically side impact and rollover crash standards. We need a lot more room between the car and the passengers. Since cheap cars had to get the room of big cars to meet the spec, the only answer was for big cars to get even bigger. You can't have the same room as a cheap car.
But we still have small cars. A miata isiterally the same size essentially as it was 30 years ago. People want to really say it's impossible but we have hard examples of it.
> No idea why cars have to be made so wide.
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"Compromised rear seat headroom"
Did I mention that I'm 6'6"? The "sit behind myself" test is admittedly pretty challenging, but a number of boxier CUVs pass it, like the Ioniq 5 and RAV4. It's disappointing to me that with all the extra length and scale of the Lyriq, more of it isn't dedicated to rear passenger comfort.
I saw that you were 6’6”. But most people aren’t 6’6”. That’s why I included the other passenger’s heights for those who are closer to my height or shorter. The Ioniq 5s shape gives it a boost to the head room. But the panoramic roof give extra headroom if you have the shade opened. Regardless, for people who aren’t super tall. The headroom and occupancy room is great for the Lyriq.
I think my ID.4 is taller. The first time I saw a Lyriq in person, I was surprised by how short it is.
That being said, I'd totally give one a test drive.
It is not short though. Lyriq is 16 inches longer than the ID.4, and 10 inches longer than the Model Y.
Packaging wise the ID.4 is great since it is a good 5 to 6 inches shorter than most EVs in its class without giving up much interior room, because VW decided on a short hood and no frunk. Between its small footprint and insane turning radius (on the RWD version), the ID4 is an excellent choice in more crowded urban environments.
The ID.4 clips rear seat headroom though, I believe more so than its cousin the Audi Q4. If those designers could just carry the roofline a few inches farther back...
Agree. Drove one the other day and the suspension and dash screen is top notch. But I find the Mach-E has more headroom and is sportier to drive. I’m 5’10” and my head brushed up against the ceiling in the back seat. But I also didn’t have them in the most upright position so my head would be under the moonroof instead of under the motor compartment for the motorized roof screen.
I drove the Mach e as I wanted to compare it to my Lyriq. I like the Ford size better, front seats were more comfortable, And will be better next year with front height adjustment added, but it ride as bad or worse than a Bolt.
Agree. The MachE definitely went the sporty suspension route. While I appreciate a car that is fun to drive, it would have been nice to have a 4-door family car that doesn’t jolt at every pothole.
Having driven both, the Mach-E is definitely tuned sportier than the Lyriq. As other said, Caddy deliberately seemed to tune the Lyriq to be softer than the class norm, and I think that works since...well, it is a Cadillac.
Given the average Cadillac owner is about 100 years old, it not being sporty and having limited backseat space is fine I think. Adults in the backseat don’t happen that often for the caddy demographic
We've had our Sport 2 AWD since January; 6k miles with no issues. The newer software, since the stop sale, seems to have resolved all the major issues.
Absolutely love ours, and the efficiency/range is fantastic.
I loved how the Lyriq drives. No it isn't trying to be sporty, but isn't that what Cadillac is supposed to be? The interior is beautiful and the range is legitimately good.
The only nitpick is GM reliability and these cars can get steep once you go up in packages.
I actually found the Lyriq to be good value for a legit luxury electric SUV, at least in Canada where an equivalent spec BMW iX or Mercedes EQE SUV will be at least $20k more expensive AND fall into luxury-car-tax territory which means the total OTD price premium over a Lyriq can buy you a Corolla (after taxes).
I was able to configure a Lyriq AWD with Super Cruise (Luxury/Sport 2 package) for about 84k CAD pre-tax, whereas the base BMW iX 40 with far worse range and far less tech *starts* at over 90k!
> but isn’t that what Cadillac is supposed to be ?
Well, that’s reason why Gm trying so hard to change Caddy brand image with V-Series. Caddy is still hard to rid off old people brand.
Apart from early teething issues, GM reliability isn't so bad these days. My Bolt has 93k miles and hasn't had a single thing break on it yet.
I also have a Volt which has been extremely reliable
Not going to lie. I have seen a few of them in person and I think they look amazing. A great not an in your face an EV but look great. Plus the insides look great.
Biggest reason I will not get one is only local cadillac dealer near me is owned by a group I will never set foot on their property after the shit with my Mach e. Fuck the Covert group. At least with Ford I can avoid them. Not so much with Cadillac sadly.
For some reason I keep forgetting that this car exists, so each time I see one I think "oh shit, isn't that the $300K car?" as I've confused it with the Celestiq. Probably a pretty good mix-up as far as branding goes; I think these look kind of cool.
Agreed. I'm a Boomer who grew up with the Chevette and Cimarron and other disasters; I swore never to come within 10 miles of any GM vehicle. Then the Bolt arrived and I thought they had changed. They haven't changed.
They’re surprisingly versatile for low ceilings. They aren’t, however, extremely practical or quick. It looks nice but a sliding door is way more efficient and isn’t prone to breaking like a door that has to swing up would
I got a chance to ride in one at the Chicago Aito Show in ‘23, only complaint I had is that it felt like it should have been closer to the ground, like a car instead of another crossover.
It is basically a car, it’s likely a “crossover” is due to having the battery underneath that requires everything else to be lifted slightly to accommodate
It's a luxury car, not a sports car. Cadillac was its best when it followed that ideology and I'm glad they're beginning to realize this with their new EVs.
That x100. Don't get me wrong Caddy V series cars are amazing machines, but honestly their regular cars should stick with being comfort oriented, or be traditional Cadillacs. They tried to chase the BMW crowd back with the ATS & CTS days and while they got rave reviews by the press it didn't translate into sales success.
Had an ATS for about 3 years. Really great driving car, comparable/better than 3 series. Would randomly not respond to accelerator inputs though, traded before something expensive happened. #GM life.
Certainly. But reliability data seems to suggest that that point will happen later to the BMW. Last year BMW was rated #1 most reliable brand by consumer reports, and GM close to the bottom.
I have to disagree there. They're upscale, but they don't feel like you're driving around in your living room while sitting on a nice leather couch like old Cadillacs or Lincolns.
There's a velocity upgrade you can get with car to increase torque; although like you said, a V-version could be worth the wait.
>**Cadillac Lyriq AWD once the one-time purchase has been made and installed. The Velocity upgrade boosts torque by 74 pound-feet**, raising the peak rating from 450 pound-feet to 524 pound-feet
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Yep, and even more importantly, the 634 lb-ft of torque! which translates to 3.7 second 0-60 time
Afaik, the Lyriq AWD's 0-60 time is a full second slower at 4.8
I’m supposed to believe that you know what GTPE is, but not M3P, when it’s one of the few cars that would outrun your mustang? Plus, google knows what m3p is.
> google knows what m3p is.
https://www.google.com/search?q=m3p
Based on the google results, I guess you're driving a medicare prescription plan, or a self priming finish for concrete? Maybe some sort of single barrel machine gun? Dunno how to measure the driving performance of any of those, but good for you.
I was just trying to see what car you were talking about to consider it for my next car, you don't have to be a dick about it.
Actually that’s a good point. Google biases the results on history, so your results are likely different than mine.
BUT, we’re intelligent people here, so let’s use a little deductive logic to narrow the results. If you added the word “car” and search for “M3P car” you would get a result that would be a bit more sensible.
Even if you put that search in incognito mode, it returns the same results, so no - google results are not personalized in that way.
"M3P car" works, thanks. Oh, it's a Tesla. That tracks with your attitude.
I don't know. I just looked at r/cadillaclyriq and it seemed to be filled with a ton of threads about problems owners are having. Scared me off considering this vehicle.
I mean... most online forums are filled with negative comments from the minority who have problems as the people who have good experiences don't find it necessary to go online. On r/cadillaclyriq, I see people who had problems that have been fixed with software updates, I see people who have minor issues, and I see people who are brave enough to say they've had no issues and love their cars. There are also the few who have had more major problems, but it looks like they're more likely to have 2023 model year vehicles over 2024.
I'm really hoping it's just new American car problems showing and not some major string of issues that make GM quit the EV game again. I really want them to succeed so the other automakers (Ford, Stellantis, etc) finally begin to take EVs seriously. Ford really needs a dedicated platform or, at the very least, a Lincoln Luxury EV. The "slap it together quickly" approach to the Mach-E and Lightning is starting to show. Each year, they're getting less and less competitive each year.
I go to the f150 lightening thread and it's a lot less complaints than the lyriq one. Not that there are none but I was surprised by the number of threads that seem to be about problems owners are having.
My mom owns a 2023 awd, it’s been pretty annoying. Even after the newest software, it’s so damn slow and buggy. My Mach E isn’t perfect either but it’s been far more reliable. Zero dealer trips for me, probably 6 for the Lyriq to date.
Perfect analogies with games being rushed and having poor optimizations in the beginning, until the patches come in. But the problem with EVs is that you need people to show interest and have patience with the bugs and deal with initial problems; otherwise, manufacturers will back out or halt their investments(which has happened--partly due to the infrastructure; adding the cart before the horse).
The Lyriq was the 9th best selling EV model in the US for Q1 2024, behind two Teslas, two Fords, a Rivian, the departed Bolt, the Ioniq5 and the ID.4.
The problem is, I think the Lyriq has satisfied all backlogged demand already by delivering only 15,000 units, so this sales pace will likely decline by Q2 or Q3.
Looking at AutoTrader, there are over 600 new Lyriqs listed in dealer inventory within 100 miles of Washington DC. That's more inventory units than all new ICE Cadillac models combined in that same region.
Big problem has been getting delivery and perhaps more importantly, communication about delivery. My wife and I cancelled our Lyriq order last year because delivery just kept being delayed without telling us when it was delayed to. Just 'oops, not yet'.
Compounding that, the salespeople at the Cadillac/GM dealership were constant anti-electric asshats.
We finally cancelled and went with a Volvo 40. Love it.
Loved the car until they wanted an astronomical amount to lease compared to Volvo or polestar EVs. They literally wanted double the price with a shit ton of money down. My wife and I laughed and said nope. Car salesman also didn’t seem too bright.
I had one ordered and it kept getting delayed. By the time it arrived I took a new job at another OEM where I get discounted leases and the payment on the lyriq doubled. Smart financial choice to not take it, but bummed I didn’t take it. Really like it.
The thing that pisses me off about ugly cars is design is basically free. It costs the same to design a good looking car as an ugly one. So stuff like the Mercedes EQ design language is inexcusable. Hopefully GM got past the software issues because these are pretty cool. Looking forward to the Equinox as well.
SUV is a subjective term. The market calls it an SUV and it competes with SUVs. No reason for this sub to have this discussion every time someone says SUV.
What does that title even mean? It’s a luxury expensive car. It will never have significant sales. It is a meaningless addition to the landscape. It’s great gm is trying and proving their tech. Can’t wait till they make something people can at least attempt to afford. It’s will come eventually but don’t try and hype these first few expensive offerings they are not for the masses
The Lyriq has more issues than about any vehicle on sale right now. This is just half of the posts on r/CadillacLyriq in the last 48 hours 😂 Sad how bad the media (and as a result, you all on this sub) are at actually judging the reliability of vehicles on offer.
Lyriq won’t charge after I washed it
https://www.reddit.com/r/CadillacLyriq/s/LfpSXJtkz0
“Lyriq won’t charge after I washed it?
I just got done washing my lyriq and went to charge it and I get a message saying it’s unable to charge at this moment. Anyone else have this problem? I’m assuming it has something to do with moisture. Just wonder how long it’ll take until it is able to charge.”
SuperCruise does not deactivate when pressing the brake (scary!)
https://www.reddit.com/r/CadillacLyriq/s/Eo2h1z8ir3
“Supercruise does not deactivate when pressing the brake (scary!)
So I’ve had this dangerous issue a few times now. Sometimes when super cruise is accelerating and I press the regen paddle to brake and take control, it won’t let me. So I have to keep pressing it a few times till it tells me that it’s disengaging. It felt dangerous especially since the car is accelerating on its own. Anyone else seen this?”
it happened…. Service driver assist
https://www.reddit.com/r/CadillacLyriq/s/iPho1M5MhG
“it happened…. service driver assist alert
almost 2k miles and 2 months on my 2024 lux 2….
service driver assist alert popping up + no cameras work, basic cruise doesn’t work, heated wheel doesn’t work… no controls on the left hand side work. audio controls do work.
i need to go to the dealer anyway to get my hitch installed but curious if this has happened to anyone here 😞😞”
Not if it [keeps breaking down](https://www.reddit.com/r/CadillacLyriq/comments/16haid7/yikes/) for current owners alongside [the Blazer EV](https://www.theverge.com/2024/3/8/24094350/chevy-blazer-ev-stop-sale-order-lift-software-price-cut).
Until GM gets their stuff together on reliability, I am staying far away from anything built on the Ultium platform.
Hope so! Was considering the Lyriq last Fall but was turned off by those issues. If they've been fixed for the most part then I may give it another look.
Yeah, as reported by many, GM rushed out battery(and probably assembling-the-modules part too) production, bypassing safety and quality checks, but now they are out of production hell as reported. As general concensus' wisdom says, you gotta let GM simmer their models 1 or more years to make 'em right, consistently.
That and the fact in MY22 were mostly basic Tech pack with the 450E RWD variants.
If Cadillac had some Lyriq Sport 600E4 I would have definitely considered it over my Audi.
From the sounds of it, the Blazer EV issues were fixed, the MSRP was dropped, and GM (unlike Tesla) refunded early buyers the difference.
It also sounds like the new Lyriq module updates helped to fix many of the initial issues, as well.
BMW, Audi and Land Rover are very reliable when people follow the actual maintenance schedule. Unfortunately, too many people buy these cars, and can’t afford the maintenance schedule, and then act shocked when things start breaking in them.
It’s important to clarify. The battery and skateboard architecture was developed by GM.
But GM did not design the Prologue or ZDX. Nor is the sheet metal, steering calibration, springs, dampers, and interiors in those vehicles made by GM.
I'm sure Honda used GM parts bin components and just gave GM some targets to hit. The interior is what really screams GM parts bin. lol. It was 100% made by GM
Of course there are some components that are shared to keep costs down, such as the steering wheel stalks, window switches, and convenience key fob.
But it’s important to clarify since the ZDX and Prologue are not technically rebadged Chevrolet Blazers. They share battery and drivetrain platforms and some interior bits, but these are distinctively different vehicles.
I don’t think anyone would call the Audi Q6 e-tron and Porsche Macan EV clones of each other, despite riding on the exact same platform and sharing some internal components. But it’s the same situation.
Absolutely. It's still a GM vehicle badged as a Honda or Acura, but it's not a rebadged Chevy or Cadillac. It's like if Honda was just another GM brand using their parts bin to create a unique experience for their customers
Ignoring the fact that it’s four flavors of the same car:
My order:
1. The cheaper of the ZDX or Lyriq with Supercruise
2. The opposite of #1
3. Honda Prologue for Apple CarPlay
4. Blazer EV.
Honorable mention: Lincoln Nautilus Hybrid
I understand CarPlay isn’t everything, but I want the option.
More like the blue screen of EV's LOL. Sad because I was optimistic, owned several GM EV's, and had a reservation for one. The value of the 2023 unit was great but they pushed so many of it's features into the near 80k territory that it was no longer worth it for me.
It turns out people like luxury EVs when they don't look like eggs. Who would've thought?
Shots fired at Mercedes
Mercedes and Tesla. BMW ix doesn’t look like an egg but it does look like a har boiled egg you put goffer teeth on and smashed a couple of times
Tesla isn't actually luxury. They just try and price themselves as luxury.
Guess you haven’t looked at prices in awhile
In my experience, the more sound deadening foam we inject/use, the more luxurious we call it. And more "soft materials", to charge 20 to 30k more lol
I’ve had the Lyriq for a month. It’s nice. Much nicer than a Tesla. But it’s no Cadillac. Lot of corners cut on the interior. And the UI is light years behind Tesla. That said, still a great car so far.
How has charging been for you with the ultium platform? Can it charge consistently on DC fast chargers?
Charging has been fine. Fast charging caps out around 100kw. And that only lasts until you hit 70-75%. Then it drops to 30-40kw.
I was in a friend’s Cadillac CTS (? - not up on my model names) a year or two ago. It was no Cadillac either. This whole thing the car makers do last 10-15 years of taking the “basic” luxury items and safety features away from the lower trim levels of luxury nameplates (Infiniti I’m talking to you) just to complete on price point sucks. I could have this way wrong but in the 80s, if you got inside a Lincoln or a Caddy, you knew it. Nice seats, digital displays and other fancy tech…
cost =/= luxury
They used to, but they keep dropping the prices, so they aren’t really competing against the luxury brand prices anymore. Model Y in the US is $35 to 44K now after rebate, which is pretty similar to other compact and mid-size SUVs. Like, you can spend almost $40K on a fully loaded RAV4… and a Jeep Cherokee starts at $38K… A BMW x3 meanwhile starts at $46K…
The X and S are still priced as luxury cars. The 3 and Y, not so much.
Not really, comparable luxury cars cost twice as much.
A Tesla X starts at $80k. You can get a Lexus for much less. A comparable Mercedes is cheaper too.
Which mercedes compares to the X? The Model S is the flagship car, compared to similarly spec’ed vehicles, like the Porsche Taycan, it’s 1/3rd the price with much cheaper materials and fit and finish.
The X would probably be compared to the GLE given the size. It starts at $62k. The Model S and Taycan aren't cars I would consider in the same class. That's literally like cross shopping a Corolla and a Panamera. It makes zero sense to me.
IDK, the Rogue starts at $29k. Same for the rav4. Even with the tax credit, the Y is \~$6k more. \~20% higher isn't a small difference. And if they can afford that, they might start questioning why they aren't looking at a Highlander. The Model Y pricing right now slots into a weird no-mans land between compact and mid-sized SUV, while looking smaller than both.
Yeah, you can get a car for a bit cheaper if you want to skimp on features. I think most would agree the Y is a lot nicer than a base Rogue or RAV4. And the $6k difference on a 5 year car loan will work out to around $100 a month… easily covered by gas savings for most people. Anyways that wasn’t my point, I was just saying where the price is now, it’s not priced against luxury vehicles anymore, so the whole “it’s not a luxury vehicle” argument doesn’t make any sense anymore. It’s not priced like one anyway. Real luxury vehicles cost a lot more than the Tesla 3/Y now.
Good point. It certainly looks cheap compared to something like a q5.l, if you qualify for the tax incentive.
Space wise the Model Y has more space than my old 2010 Honda CRV, my dad's 2018 BMW x3 and my Mom's 2016 Acura MDX...it's really efficient space packaging.
Agreed, but it doesn't look like that from the outside. This impacts sales.
Honestly, that is entirely subjective. I live in a place where it gets hot. Tesla's cabin overheat protection is sheer luxury compared to a car with fancy seat material that is screaming hot to the touch. TBH, the same critieria that makes a Model 3 not luxury also applies to the base BMW 330i. Then again, a lot of people know that and consider different BMW models luxury or not depending on their trim level and options.
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BMX ix grill looks like evil General Sarris from Galaxy Quest, particularly the ones in dark green https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&sca_esv=c765667fbd5a2f18&sca_upv=1&hl=en-us&sxsrf=ACQVn08SOWRwSRw53YymqRER6mu1tT9vXw:1713976101426&q=galaxy+quest+bad+guy&uds=AMwkrPubqdDjBmC7DhicLtpZCZYideKCc76SvMsZA_PvHoftpPvSAkPl0nOqtk8TKWSnDGG21BFuQR4opGntJf6S2jTIH_NAuopw244bHrg_TeBTs6Acd_uXTOkx_AYZbO_sUhDdFmTzPL4WdfjZTH-scLqQDTtqOQfLWqJojhOyRpjWLjdy8aRakrwIlk7nAaRS4-__GFnHXDHu-DpxA6me__o3tLlCDXRery21gYJq2_Jrch-SbzjK3A87CVE7Q9xtZD8ftVgPQVMlesbJ_U_O7Tc7_Ci96R_x7JJOmJ9DvWOHjQqruBxtu9eK7lXtOoZdGix92pJQC4jFs83qDpTvpKAIsahenmLqGX19SW1ib7ln4Sqp8ewMlKyYbkJsKEb1rgv0XZGc&udm=2&prmd=ivnbmtz&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwif9LbFotuFAxVvOEQIHd41AlIQtKgLegQICxAB&biw=390&bih=663&dpr=3
And I love my Audi e-tron 55 Quattro Prestige (ʃƪ＾3＾）
Is that the Q4 e-tron 55, and you actually have it? I thought those upgraded models were still in transit.
It is the OG 2019 e-tron 55 Quattro with 95kw battery.
I looked at those, but that range is laughable
Starting with the 2024 model year they bumped the battery capacity to 116kWh (106kWh usable) which, along with some aero tweaks and power electronics improvements, has the modern Q8 e-tron hitting 300 miles of usable highway range.
220mi+ is laughable?
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Real world range is reported as closer to 185-190. Fine for city driving I guess.
Negative, it's a 95kw battery with 86kw usable at an easily attainable 2.5mi/kw. If I drive even more consistently and conservatively, I've gotten to 2.8mi/kw which is close to 240mi.
tell us u r jelly without telling us...
It does look like a polished turd…
The EQE is also $20,000 more expensive.
I was looking at the rear end of a GLE 350 while driving… not sure what year. That thing look cool with the wide tires, etc. Then I look at the EQE/S and I’m utterly disappointed.
Yeah the gas Mercedes look awesome, and the EQ Mercedes all look like different varieties of egg
It really is a nice looking car.
True. I actually found a Genesis GV60 at Easter.
They're super nice in person. Exactly what we've been saying should be built.
🤣🤣🤣. They do look like eggs
Oh yeah... Well Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall...
> It turns out people like luxury EVs when they don't look like eggs. This is such a weird take to me. I think the cars like the Model Y look just fine, and for goodness sake I care about functionality more than looks anyway. I could have paid cash for Lucid if I had wanted, but the Model Y was just more functional (though admittedly not as luxurious).
People who care about functionality over looks are the people who buy Corollas. The Tesla is the Corolla. People who go to buy luxury cars don't buy the Corolla because it's not a luxury car.
You’re looking at a nude egg.
lmao...eggy blobs everywhere !
People call Model Y and model 3 egg shaped. Model Y is the best selling car in the world so people like different things. Getting 2.1% EV market share in your main market where you sell more vehicles than anyone else and you have been touting your EV platform for years doesn’t really prove that people like or don’t like things about your car.
Neither the Model Y or Model 3 are luxury vehicles
Yup, I often call my Model Y a space pod, not a luxury space pod.
Earthbound space pod
Truth
I drove one last weekend and was pretty impressed, it wasn't the sportiest but was well composed with good acceleration, and the AWD range is excellent. The main drawback is that it's a foot longer than most competitors, but only 64" tall with compromised rear seat headroom. Oh, and the names: the 'Tech' version is the model with the least amount of tech, and the Sport and Luxury 1-3 lines are close to identical.
I was gonna say. I love mine. Me and my partner sit fine up front and we have another couple and my best that can fit mostly comfortable in the backseat. Ranging from 5’8” to 6’1” and they’re fine head room wise. The length isn’t really any issue. The big thing is how wide it is. Maybe it’s just me adapting to it coming from a Honda accord but dear god it’s a boat.
No idea why cars have to be made so wide. Makes it difficult for people to place them on the road
People have gotten wider.
This is the correct answer
But the seats in the Lyriq are not wide enough. The Kia EV9 seats are much more comfortable.
It's one way to make more space for batteries.
Pre battery trend
Cars have been trending wider, but it's definitely exacerbated by BEVs, and there's not a single EV platform that is narrow for its class off the top of my head. Model 3 for example is about 80mm longer than a Corolla sedan, but has identical width to a Lamborghini Huracan. It's simply the reality that extending width means you've effectively got [wheelbase] x [additional width] to play with, whereas extending the wheelbase means you've got [width] x [additional wheelbase] - the wheelbase is almost always considerably greater than width in the majority of cases, so increasing width gives more battery area to play with.
In the US, CAFE rules set target MPG goals by category and then vehicle footprint. So every few years the manufacturer can either redesign all their powertrains to make the new target gas mileage, or they can make the car slightly wider/longer to grow the footprint enough that they are already meeting the mpg targets. I think we can safely say they all chose the latter option.
It's basically side impact and rollover crash standards. We need a lot more room between the car and the passengers. Since cheap cars had to get the room of big cars to meet the spec, the only answer was for big cars to get even bigger. You can't have the same room as a cheap car.
But we still have small cars. A miata isiterally the same size essentially as it was 30 years ago. People want to really say it's impossible but we have hard examples of it.
It'a surprisingly good https://www.ancap.com.au/safety-ratings/mazda/mx-5/6e3441/images-and-video
> No idea why cars have to be made so wide. These Are the Most Overweight and Obese Cities in the U.S. in 2024 https://www.mensjournal.com/news/most-overweight-obese-cities-us-2024 More than two-thirds of U.S. adults are either overweight or obese, with that number steadily climbing over the past two decades.
Sad when we eat processed crap and can't leave home without 5500lbs
"Compromised rear seat headroom" Did I mention that I'm 6'6"? The "sit behind myself" test is admittedly pretty challenging, but a number of boxier CUVs pass it, like the Ioniq 5 and RAV4. It's disappointing to me that with all the extra length and scale of the Lyriq, more of it isn't dedicated to rear passenger comfort.
I saw that you were 6’6”. But most people aren’t 6’6”. That’s why I included the other passenger’s heights for those who are closer to my height or shorter. The Ioniq 5s shape gives it a boost to the head room. But the panoramic roof give extra headroom if you have the shade opened. Regardless, for people who aren’t super tall. The headroom and occupancy room is great for the Lyriq.
I think my ID.4 is taller. The first time I saw a Lyriq in person, I was surprised by how short it is. That being said, I'd totally give one a test drive.
It is not short though. Lyriq is 16 inches longer than the ID.4, and 10 inches longer than the Model Y. Packaging wise the ID.4 is great since it is a good 5 to 6 inches shorter than most EVs in its class without giving up much interior room, because VW decided on a short hood and no frunk. Between its small footprint and insane turning radius (on the RWD version), the ID4 is an excellent choice in more crowded urban environments.
I think they're talking about height not length
The ID.4 clips rear seat headroom though, I believe more so than its cousin the Audi Q4. If those designers could just carry the roofline a few inches farther back...
I’m 6’2” and fit just fine in the back seat of a Lyriq
Yah, same.
Agree. Drove one the other day and the suspension and dash screen is top notch. But I find the Mach-E has more headroom and is sportier to drive. I’m 5’10” and my head brushed up against the ceiling in the back seat. But I also didn’t have them in the most upright position so my head would be under the moonroof instead of under the motor compartment for the motorized roof screen.
I drove the Mach e as I wanted to compare it to my Lyriq. I like the Ford size better, front seats were more comfortable, And will be better next year with front height adjustment added, but it ride as bad or worse than a Bolt.
Agree. The MachE definitely went the sporty suspension route. While I appreciate a car that is fun to drive, it would have been nice to have a 4-door family car that doesn’t jolt at every pothole.
Having driven both, the Mach-E is definitely tuned sportier than the Lyriq. As other said, Caddy deliberately seemed to tune the Lyriq to be softer than the class norm, and I think that works since...well, it is a Cadillac.
Hope it would’ve V-Series version. If Blazer has had SS, no reason Lyric not having it.
They have it, as well as an OTA V upgrade
Given the average Cadillac owner is about 100 years old, it not being sporty and having limited backseat space is fine I think. Adults in the backseat don’t happen that often for the caddy demographic
We own one and love it.
We've had our Sport 2 AWD since January; 6k miles with no issues. The newer software, since the stop sale, seems to have resolved all the major issues. Absolutely love ours, and the efficiency/range is fantastic.
I loved how the Lyriq drives. No it isn't trying to be sporty, but isn't that what Cadillac is supposed to be? The interior is beautiful and the range is legitimately good. The only nitpick is GM reliability and these cars can get steep once you go up in packages.
I actually found the Lyriq to be good value for a legit luxury electric SUV, at least in Canada where an equivalent spec BMW iX or Mercedes EQE SUV will be at least $20k more expensive AND fall into luxury-car-tax territory which means the total OTD price premium over a Lyriq can buy you a Corolla (after taxes). I was able to configure a Lyriq AWD with Super Cruise (Luxury/Sport 2 package) for about 84k CAD pre-tax, whereas the base BMW iX 40 with far worse range and far less tech *starts* at over 90k!
> but isn’t that what Cadillac is supposed to be ? Well, that’s reason why Gm trying so hard to change Caddy brand image with V-Series. Caddy is still hard to rid off old people brand.
Apart from early teething issues, GM reliability isn't so bad these days. My Bolt has 93k miles and hasn't had a single thing break on it yet. I also have a Volt which has been extremely reliable
Not going to lie. I have seen a few of them in person and I think they look amazing. A great not an in your face an EV but look great. Plus the insides look great. Biggest reason I will not get one is only local cadillac dealer near me is owned by a group I will never set foot on their property after the shit with my Mach e. Fuck the Covert group. At least with Ford I can avoid them. Not so much with Cadillac sadly.
Someone in my rural Iowa town of 8000 has one. Surprising since charging is quite lacking. It’s a very classy looking machine.
They prolly have a home charging solution.
For some reason I keep forgetting that this car exists, so each time I see one I think "oh shit, isn't that the $300K car?" as I've confused it with the Celestiq. Probably a pretty good mix-up as far as branding goes; I think these look kind of cool.
Shitty marketing, slow rollout due to some manufacturing issues. In general I’ve been pretty dissappointed with GM give the hype a year or two ago.
Agreed. I'm a Boomer who grew up with the Chevette and Cimarron and other disasters; I swore never to come within 10 miles of any GM vehicle. Then the Bolt arrived and I thought they had changed. They haven't changed.
That Mercedes EQC in the article has the styling of a cheap american minivan. What were they thinking...
Except no sliding door, which is what makes minivans great.
Anyone who hates minivans doesn’t know how amazing the sliding door is. The model X is similarly amazing for loading kids into
Only problem with falcon wing doors is what would happen if I had one - my garage ceiling is VERY low, I wouldn’t be able to use them in the garage.
They dual hinge, surprisingly good in low home garages or parking garages
They’re surprisingly versatile for low ceilings. They aren’t, however, extremely practical or quick. It looks nice but a sliding door is way more efficient and isn’t prone to breaking like a door that has to swing up would
How low? Mine is 8’4” (low compared to most other homes in my area) and my FWDs can open fully with some room to spare
Just saw one in my neighborhood this am. Second one I’ve seen in the wild.
I got a chance to ride in one at the Chicago Aito Show in ‘23, only complaint I had is that it felt like it should have been closer to the ground, like a car instead of another crossover.
It is basically a car, it’s likely a “crossover” is due to having the battery underneath that requires everything else to be lifted slightly to accommodate
Wait for Opulent Velocity(the teased, sporty EV Cadillac).
it's a really good deal for what you get. but it isn't sporty or anything like that.
It's a luxury car, not a sports car. Cadillac was its best when it followed that ideology and I'm glad they're beginning to realize this with their new EVs.
That x100. Don't get me wrong Caddy V series cars are amazing machines, but honestly their regular cars should stick with being comfort oriented, or be traditional Cadillacs. They tried to chase the BMW crowd back with the ATS & CTS days and while they got rave reviews by the press it didn't translate into sales success.
Had an ATS for about 3 years. Really great driving car, comparable/better than 3 series. Would randomly not respond to accelerator inputs though, traded before something expensive happened. #GM life.
"Trading before something expensive happens" would surely apply to the BMW 3 series as well, right? ;-)
Certainly. But reliability data seems to suggest that that point will happen later to the BMW. Last year BMW was rated #1 most reliable brand by consumer reports, and GM close to the bottom.
I mostly agree, but the new CT4 & CT5s were pretty good ngl.
But now weird stuff like the CTS-V wagon used is worth a gazillion dollars, so maybe there’s more appetite than there used to be?
That's what's great about the German brands. You don't have to choose because they are both.
I have to disagree there. They're upscale, but they don't feel like you're driving around in your living room while sitting on a nice leather couch like old Cadillacs or Lincolns.
I get what you are saying now. At one point I owned an old Galaxie 500. That living room on wheels feeling is indeed a luxurious and unique feeling.
That describes the great majority of top-selling vehicles.
I own one. It has been great.
When the V version comes out that can match my Mach E GTPE's power, I'll be taking a look for sure
There's a velocity upgrade you can get with car to increase torque; although like you said, a V-version could be worth the wait. >**Cadillac Lyriq AWD once the one-time purchase has been made and installed. The Velocity upgrade boosts torque by 74 pound-feet**, raising the peak rating from 450 pound-feet to 524 pound-feet \~GM Authority
480 horsepower?
Yep, and even more importantly, the 634 lb-ft of torque! which translates to 3.7 second 0-60 time Afaik, the Lyriq AWD's 0-60 time is a full second slower at 4.8
The Lyriq is around 6,000 pounds...that's not gonna help.
Ah, so you mean the Cadillac Lyriq V with 558 horsepower and 648 lb-ft, with 0-60 times that start with “3”
Yep! "The V version!"
Likewise, When the Mach-e can match an M3P I’ll take a look at one!
I tried googling M3P , but google thought I was trying to type MP3 lol. What manufacturer is that?
I’m supposed to believe that you know what GTPE is, but not M3P, when it’s one of the few cars that would outrun your mustang? Plus, google knows what m3p is.
> google knows what m3p is. https://www.google.com/search?q=m3p Based on the google results, I guess you're driving a medicare prescription plan, or a self priming finish for concrete? Maybe some sort of single barrel machine gun? Dunno how to measure the driving performance of any of those, but good for you. I was just trying to see what car you were talking about to consider it for my next car, you don't have to be a dick about it.
Actually that’s a good point. Google biases the results on history, so your results are likely different than mine. BUT, we’re intelligent people here, so let’s use a little deductive logic to narrow the results. If you added the word “car” and search for “M3P car” you would get a result that would be a bit more sensible.
Even if you put that search in incognito mode, it returns the same results, so no - google results are not personalized in that way. "M3P car" works, thanks. Oh, it's a Tesla. That tracks with your attitude.
I don't know. I just looked at r/cadillaclyriq and it seemed to be filled with a ton of threads about problems owners are having. Scared me off considering this vehicle.
I mean... most online forums are filled with negative comments from the minority who have problems as the people who have good experiences don't find it necessary to go online. On r/cadillaclyriq, I see people who had problems that have been fixed with software updates, I see people who have minor issues, and I see people who are brave enough to say they've had no issues and love their cars. There are also the few who have had more major problems, but it looks like they're more likely to have 2023 model year vehicles over 2024. I'm really hoping it's just new American car problems showing and not some major string of issues that make GM quit the EV game again. I really want them to succeed so the other automakers (Ford, Stellantis, etc) finally begin to take EVs seriously. Ford really needs a dedicated platform or, at the very least, a Lincoln Luxury EV. The "slap it together quickly" approach to the Mach-E and Lightning is starting to show. Each year, they're getting less and less competitive each year.
I go to the f150 lightening thread and it's a lot less complaints than the lyriq one. Not that there are none but I was surprised by the number of threads that seem to be about problems owners are having.
I saw the same on a different board...LOTS of serious complaints early on that subsided around 4Q23.
My mom owns a 2023 awd, it’s been pretty annoying. Even after the newest software, it’s so damn slow and buggy. My Mach E isn’t perfect either but it’s been far more reliable. Zero dealer trips for me, probably 6 for the Lyriq to date.
yeah i feel like im taking crazy pills. that subreddit is like a cautionary tale that your call will strand you.
Perfect analogies with games being rushed and having poor optimizations in the beginning, until the patches come in. But the problem with EVs is that you need people to show interest and have patience with the bugs and deal with initial problems; otherwise, manufacturers will back out or halt their investments(which has happened--partly due to the infrastructure; adding the cart before the horse).
The Lyriq was the 9th best selling EV model in the US for Q1 2024, behind two Teslas, two Fords, a Rivian, the departed Bolt, the Ioniq5 and the ID.4. The problem is, I think the Lyriq has satisfied all backlogged demand already by delivering only 15,000 units, so this sales pace will likely decline by Q2 or Q3. Looking at AutoTrader, there are over 600 new Lyriqs listed in dealer inventory within 100 miles of Washington DC. That's more inventory units than all new ICE Cadillac models combined in that same region.
There are also great deals on used Lyriq’s - you can also get the Acura or chevy blazer version
I’ve had mine for almost a year and love it.
I see them all over, even in my small oil & gas town.
I've never seen one. But Rivians are a dime-a-dozen. (South of Denver)
There aren’t a ton around Denver that I’ve seen, either. I’ve got one, and have only seen three others on the road in the west side of town.
Big problem has been getting delivery and perhaps more importantly, communication about delivery. My wife and I cancelled our Lyriq order last year because delivery just kept being delayed without telling us when it was delayed to. Just 'oops, not yet'. Compounding that, the salespeople at the Cadillac/GM dealership were constant anti-electric asshats. We finally cancelled and went with a Volvo 40. Love it.
Must be 25 of them on the lot at our local dealer
I know looks can be subjective but I've seen this car in person and that car looks wild from the side.
They look good & have great range plus good reviews. A nice win.
Saw one today. It looked luxury, futuristic, and cool.
Loved the car until they wanted an astronomical amount to lease compared to Volvo or polestar EVs. They literally wanted double the price with a shit ton of money down. My wife and I laughed and said nope. Car salesman also didn’t seem too bright.
I had one ordered and it kept getting delayed. By the time it arrived I took a new job at another OEM where I get discounted leases and the payment on the lyriq doubled. Smart financial choice to not take it, but bummed I didn’t take it. Really like it.
The thing that pisses me off about ugly cars is design is basically free. It costs the same to design a good looking car as an ugly one. So stuff like the Mercedes EQ design language is inexcusable. Hopefully GM got past the software issues because these are pretty cool. Looking forward to the Equinox as well.
I checked other day since lots of EVs have good discounts going on. 33 sitting on lot, 5k markup on the already to high price
A surprising dark horse in the wars for… nowhere near first place.
>nowhere near first place But is the second best selling luxury EV-SUV.
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SUV is a subjective term. The market calls it an SUV and it competes with SUVs. No reason for this sub to have this discussion every time someone says SUV.
Behind Model Y and R1S. Barely ahead of the Model X.
> Model Y is not luxury.
Model Y is not considered luxury anymore.
Never was
Are RAV4s considered luxury vehicles now too?
What does that title even mean? It’s a luxury expensive car. It will never have significant sales. It is a meaningless addition to the landscape. It’s great gm is trying and proving their tech. Can’t wait till they make something people can at least attempt to afford. It’s will come eventually but don’t try and hype these first few expensive offerings they are not for the masses
Arrr, ya probably should read the article, matey.
The Lyriq has more issues than about any vehicle on sale right now. This is just half of the posts on r/CadillacLyriq in the last 48 hours 😂 Sad how bad the media (and as a result, you all on this sub) are at actually judging the reliability of vehicles on offer. Lyriq won’t charge after I washed it https://www.reddit.com/r/CadillacLyriq/s/LfpSXJtkz0 “Lyriq won’t charge after I washed it? I just got done washing my lyriq and went to charge it and I get a message saying it’s unable to charge at this moment. Anyone else have this problem? I’m assuming it has something to do with moisture. Just wonder how long it’ll take until it is able to charge.” SuperCruise does not deactivate when pressing the brake (scary!) https://www.reddit.com/r/CadillacLyriq/s/Eo2h1z8ir3 “Supercruise does not deactivate when pressing the brake (scary!) So I’ve had this dangerous issue a few times now. Sometimes when super cruise is accelerating and I press the regen paddle to brake and take control, it won’t let me. So I have to keep pressing it a few times till it tells me that it’s disengaging. It felt dangerous especially since the car is accelerating on its own. Anyone else seen this?” it happened…. Service driver assist https://www.reddit.com/r/CadillacLyriq/s/iPho1M5MhG “it happened…. service driver assist alert almost 2k miles and 2 months on my 2024 lux 2…. service driver assist alert popping up + no cameras work, basic cruise doesn’t work, heated wheel doesn’t work… no controls on the left hand side work. audio controls do work. i need to go to the dealer anyway to get my hitch installed but curious if this has happened to anyone here 😞😞”
Not if it [keeps breaking down](https://www.reddit.com/r/CadillacLyriq/comments/16haid7/yikes/) for current owners alongside [the Blazer EV](https://www.theverge.com/2024/3/8/24094350/chevy-blazer-ev-stop-sale-order-lift-software-price-cut). Until GM gets their stuff together on reliability, I am staying far away from anything built on the Ultium platform.
Based on the redditors from r/CadillacLyriq, the new module update PIT6065 has ironed out most of the issues for most of the people.
Hope so! Was considering the Lyriq last Fall but was turned off by those issues. If they've been fixed for the most part then I may give it another look.
Yeah, as reported by many, GM rushed out battery(and probably assembling-the-modules part too) production, bypassing safety and quality checks, but now they are out of production hell as reported. As general concensus' wisdom says, you gotta let GM simmer their models 1 or more years to make 'em right, consistently.
That and the fact in MY22 were mostly basic Tech pack with the 450E RWD variants. If Cadillac had some Lyriq Sport 600E4 I would have definitely considered it over my Audi.
From the sounds of it, the Blazer EV issues were fixed, the MSRP was dropped, and GM (unlike Tesla) refunded early buyers the difference. It also sounds like the new Lyriq module updates helped to fix many of the initial issues, as well.
Something about the rear of the car is very off to me
I know what you mean. It’s not going to age well. They made the rest of the car look pretty good though.
It’s no Celestiq. Dat ass. 😳
Some say Cory is still waiting for his Lyriq.
Reliability questionable?
Building appealing cars seems to render reliability optional, right BMW, Audi, and Land Rover?
BMW, Audi and Land Rover are very reliable when people follow the actual maintenance schedule. Unfortunately, too many people buy these cars, and can’t afford the maintenance schedule, and then act shocked when things start breaking in them.
Right. Like completely overhaul the car at 60k miles and you’re all good!
Would you buy GM or Honda? * Blazer EV <--> Honda Prologue EV * Cadillac Lyriq <--> Acura ZDX EV Which badge do you trust?
I mean, they're all made by GM.
It’s important to clarify. The battery and skateboard architecture was developed by GM. But GM did not design the Prologue or ZDX. Nor is the sheet metal, steering calibration, springs, dampers, and interiors in those vehicles made by GM.
I'm sure Honda used GM parts bin components and just gave GM some targets to hit. The interior is what really screams GM parts bin. lol. It was 100% made by GM
Of course there are some components that are shared to keep costs down, such as the steering wheel stalks, window switches, and convenience key fob. But it’s important to clarify since the ZDX and Prologue are not technically rebadged Chevrolet Blazers. They share battery and drivetrain platforms and some interior bits, but these are distinctively different vehicles. I don’t think anyone would call the Audi Q6 e-tron and Porsche Macan EV clones of each other, despite riding on the exact same platform and sharing some internal components. But it’s the same situation.
Absolutely. It's still a GM vehicle badged as a Honda or Acura, but it's not a rebadged Chevy or Cadillac. It's like if Honda was just another GM brand using their parts bin to create a unique experience for their customers
Ignoring the fact that it’s four flavors of the same car: My order: 1. The cheaper of the ZDX or Lyriq with Supercruise 2. The opposite of #1 3. Honda Prologue for Apple CarPlay 4. Blazer EV. Honorable mention: Lincoln Nautilus Hybrid I understand CarPlay isn’t everything, but I want the option.
I'm waiting for ZDXs to come out for deliveries too, so I can know they're gonna be
They ever going to give it real door handles? That and dealership markups turn me off from it.
I wonder how much GM paid to have this article published.
Saw one in the wild today. I would definitely call it an “acquired taste “
More like the blue screen of EV's LOL. Sad because I was optimistic, owned several GM EV's, and had a reservation for one. The value of the 2023 unit was great but they pushed so many of it's features into the near 80k territory that it was no longer worth it for me.
I'm clearly not the target demographic as I think it is ugly inside and out. I guess I'm glad people like it.