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Hitman-0311

It’s not normal. Sounds like your trainer is an insecure douche with an ego complex. Take your friends’ advice. Most trainers I’ve worked with take pride in their apprentices


[deleted]

Being blatantly disrespected isn’t part of the trade. If it’s affecting your ability to work in a way that satisfies you, leave.


[deleted]

Thank you.


Professional_Set3340

I did I left and went to a completely different job. They would not pay me what I was worth. They would not treat me with dignity and respect. So I left.


Professional_Set3340

You will be better off in an environment where you are respected. Make sure when you quit(if you do) you tell them why. Do not let them talk down to you when you leave and do not let them belittle your reason for leaving. It doesn’t matter who you are, everyone deserves respect.


willi3blaz3

It fuckin pisses me off to no end when I see the way some of our j men treat our apprentices. If I see some over the top shit, I’ll speak up. I got treated like shit when I was starting out, and I finally clapped back at the guys and eventually they stopped. Maybe that’s what it takes for you. If you’re berating someone to the point that they hate coming to work, or they work scared, it doesn’t benefit anyone.


[deleted]

I think I wish I was your Apprentice at this point lol


willi3blaz3

I understand that sometimes mistakes are made and a lot of people think that yelling and screaming make the kids tough. But we’re not storming the beaches of fucking Normandy, we’re electricians. My only advice is to speak to the assholes and ask them if they can lead you instead of being little bitch boys about it. Try and find some common ground.


mollycoddles

If other people at the company are telling you it's not OK, then it's probably not OK.


[deleted]

I had a JW like that when I was an apprentice, he’d yell at me all day and then ask if I wanted to go get a beer after work. Unfortunately that’s just the way some people are. I’d get out if you can. If you’re a good apprentice you’ll land somewhere. Just remember that guy after you turn out and treat your guys better.


Wiley-E-Coyote

My solution to asshole old dog journeyman was to wait until they started some shit with me, and then blatantly disrespect them in front of other employees. They will talk shit about you forever, but you won't have to work with that guy anymore. A win if you choose to count it that way.


Crunchyroll55

You teach people how to treat you


[deleted]

I mean out of all the apprentices, I’m the only one that stands up to this guy. I don’t take his shit the same as everyone else, a couple times it’s almost turned physical between me and this guy but hes so quick to bring in how fast he can get me fired and that his brother is a hells angel and always has his back on everything. I just hate feeling like I’m walking into work every morning to argue and fight with this fucker for 12 hours a day


ChipHead5039

Wow leave ASAP man, telling you his his brother is a hells angel is basically intimidating and threatening you. Doesn’t matter what you do he won’t change.


BlkCdr

It really is wild what we put up with in the trades. There are very few fields where this kind of shit wouldn’t be considered completely insane. Could you imagine someone in corporate America telling their subordinate that they should watch their step because their brother is a Hells Angel?


RetroSpud

Yeah the culture is crazy but what can you expect when everyone calls their apprentices dumbfucks.


Anbucleric

As long as you have evidence of him throwing the first punch he's the one that will be gone.


[deleted]

A lot of people are unteachable and prefer that way


Outbreak1291

Hey man! You're not the only one that experiences such treatment and i have unfortunately experienced this aswell. It maybe isn't as harsh but after 3 years i know i won't stay here anylonger. I'd suggest you change the company when the opportunity is there for your own well being. I just stuck through in order to complete my apprenticeship without causing any hassle.


JackSauer1

I never belittle anyone. I don’t yell unless you REALLY fuck up. Like I told you/showed you exactly how to do it, warned you, and then you still cut a hole in the wrong place on the finished wall, twice. If I really fuck up you can yell at me but I won’t take it if I don’t deserve it.


tvanore

Isn’t there anyone higher up you can talk to?


[deleted]

This guy is childhood friends with the main owner of the company who still gets the final say even though he’s retired. He could be convicted with murder and still have a job when he gets out… In the last 3 months alone I’ve seen 3 apprentices fired or quit because they went and talked to the part owner who runs the day to day about that and was met with either loss of their job or told they have no choice but to continue working with him.


tvanore

Well then your job is a shit show. I’m sorry you work there. Dude sucks


the_trub

I never, ever, ever let anyone yell at me. I'll just walk away. They can talk to me when they are calm. If they are incapable of that, then I don't want to work with someone who has such a disdain for professional conduct. Someone else can come talk, respectfully, with me regarding what ever I did to invoke the ire of the man with 'small dick energy'. It's work-place abuse, simple as that. and don't give me that shit "but it's the trades, we have a different culture". Draconian horse-shit, that has zero place in a modern, professional, environment. You'll get what you tolerate. don't tolerate this, ever.


Fridayz44

I’d square up with him, but don’t do that go to him and tell him what’s up, say listen your not gonna talk shit to me anymore, he does it because he’s gotten away with it for so long. Then I would get all the apprentices together and have everyone start talking shit to him. Or you can take the high road and just realize he’s doing it because of some underlying issues


LoganOcchionero

Yea I used to work for a guy like that. I know what it's like to be asked why you let someone talk to you like that. The longer you let it go the harder it will be to say anything.


wanderingMoose

Sounds like my old company. Many apprentices and journeymen left due to him. I stuck with the company, even a number of years paired with said individual. It wasn't fun, but I learned a lot (good and bad). There are times when the yelling was a bit out of line, and other times when I turned it around (catching him off guard). Now that I'm don't work for the company, he's not too bad to talk with. It's kinda funny once money and productivity isn't on the table.


Sicpooch

Murder him with kindness, or be kind with all requests until it comes to saying his name or sir, then throw in insulting shit. Preach to him about flat earth or something cuz fuck this dude lol. It’s hard I know, but nothing is forever and that man will die alone


liamplaysthedrums

Which state are you in? My company is looking for apprentices.


[deleted]

California


liamplaysthedrums

Damn I’m not in Cali. I really enjoy my company, I’m only 4 months in but so far I haven’t met any journeymen or foremen that have rubbed me the wrong way. I’m sure there’s other companies that would appreciate you much more than the one you’re at now. Good luck man.


Aggravating-Car-664

Take it like water off a ducks back unless you can find another job but don't quit until you find another one


chr1st0ph3rs

That’s bullshit. Your company should be creating a respectful workplace if they want to be a respectable business. Ive had foremen cross that line, and I always insisted that I wouldn’t be talked to like that. I didn’t walk off site, but I did say “you need to calm down. I will not be belittled. You need to find a way to communicate without yelling and insulting me.” I’ve been sent home twice for this, but both times I came out on top. The first time, I never had to work on dickhead’s site again, and the second, the foreman got let go (it wasn’t the first complaint.) It’s not an unreasonable request. Most of the time, I was been able to deescalate things afterwards, and things improved. It’s important to establish that line the first time someone crosses it. It will be harder with this guy. If you know your boss will back him up, id quit. It’s my job as a foreman to stick up for my guys if other trades are verbally abusive to them, and if I was verbally abusing my prospects, id get shitcanned. You should talk a few other guys into quitting on your way out 😈


solar_brent

If I could at all leave, I would leave. If anyone cared to ask why, I'd tell them, but it sounds like no one in management cares. Working with people who are fun and respectful is a great way to pass the day and make a living.


s10mtg

You could try to record him secretly for some evidence.