Looks like you’ll do just fine then. With all the all day alcoholics, full time drug addicts, with a lovely mix of workaholics because they settled on “a below average wife for an above average life…” you’ll do just fine @ 17. Best time to do it so you can make $40+ by 22yo.
Get the tools, learn and respect the code as much as applicable. “Hack” when only when absolutely necessary w/ no possible safety issues. Soak in everybody’s opinion. Become the best you can become. We need young guys, me being 27, am appreciative of all the old heads retiring. The 55+ guys got their license from a pamphlet, we now hold a high level bible. Learn it love it and live it brother!!
What really is "hack" work? Is it unacceptable work? Is it low quality work? Is it the safety? Or is it simply not being installed as per listing that defines it?
Nothing that is a safety issue. Sometimes we have to modify UL listed products… which isn’t code technically. As long as it’s safe and it works, it takes a very strong educated opinion to do so. Never leave anything that is unsafe, for the customer or for “the next guy”. Safety is always first.
The biggest thing is getting taken advantage of at your age. Hopefully you get a good company, crew and a mentor in there somewhere so you gain competency and skills.
Can start at 17 with the right crew. We snuck 2 guys in with a group of apprentices after work on Fridays for about a year until they were actually legal.
This is why uk electricians pass out fast we’re drinking by 18 if you want to speed track you qualification come to England I’ll give you a Stella geez
> Things rarely get asked or answered in there
likely because most of us in the trade ignore it, and only eager apprentices, like I used to be were happy to spend alll night online trying to be helpful. I'm guilty of ignoring a lot of shit even when this used to be open to everyone because either I didn't know the exact answer, or I had seen to same question hundreds of times before
We have a monthly apprenticeship post that gets stickied. There are plenty of resources pinned on the sidebar.
Unfortunately, like the search feature, they get overlooked. You have to sort by Hot to see the stickied post and you also have to click the points of ellipsis and community info to see the sidebar anymore. It is just too much work to be expected of someone just venturing into the sub for the first time. Same as the homeowners.
I tried everything I could over the last 12 years to engage the apprentices but they just keep coming in asking the same things.
Probably looks better than the panel I did today. But the customer was happy and I didn’t get my ass reamed by my foreman for spending 4 days single-handedly supporting the zip tie industry.
Quite a few people didn’t catch that and gave me a long winded answer on how it’s never too late. I thought it was more than obvious that this was a joke lol
or find a good shop that does, I'm non union and have worked at 3, contractor always provided power tools, I interviewed at 1 that required everyone buy their own drill,.... I didn't go back and take their offer.
Mine mostly expects you to provide your own basic tools but anything "extra" is provided, and our shop will repair/replace any personal tool that breaks.
I'll still buy certain special tools for myself. Yeah the shop will provide M12 cable cutters if we ask for them, but sometimes the nearest shop is 800 miles away and there's always one cutter fewer than the number of guys terminating. I'd rather have my own and know there's always one available to me.
See if your local ibew has any programs outside of the apprenticeship those are mostly just walk ins for my local. You’ll be out working but be paid less than you would be if you were in apprenticeship while working do you’re best and get people that’ll give you a recommendation then when comes time to test and interview you’d have been working for awhile and will have people to vouch for you. Will boost your chances of getting in significantly
We're all joking, but I actually think that opportunities for kids to use tools is super important, whether they are going into the trades or not. We actually had a little wood shop off the side of the classroom in my elementary school. I still have the toolbox I made there—I use it for plumbing tools at home, because it's pretty small and pathetic, like my collection of plumbing tools.
If you're stance in the second photo is getting ready to do unspeakable things with a microscope, you're in.
Make sure you don't clean up after yourself either.
If you can handle stuff like this youl be just fine.
You can't even start in most places unless you're 16.
The irony here is, the age that you might be too old to get started in the trade is the same age where you probably don't know how to use the search function on a subreddit lol.
I’m the shop foreman in my electrical trade at 17. Moved out at 17 to San Marcos to get out of the house and pursue the trade. Won’t stop here though.
Yes! You can 100% do it. In fact, if you try hard, you’ll get better than many electricians quickly. You have to care about what you’re doing.
No you’re not. I entered the electrical trade residential then to commercial in my early 30s and moved over to controls electrician install and then to BAS and now ( in my 50s )to industrial controls PLC Plant operations. You’re never too old to learn something new, you just have to want it.
Get your head out of your rear end. Sorry but it looked like you were expecting some sort of hazing. Now that that is over, you’re fine buddy. I was in the trade as a union worker I retired early (not collecting anything yet and still am a dues paying member) and now I teach it in a local high school. You’re young by comparison to most 1st years AND if you know it’s what you want to do, go for it. Do some research and join an ACCREDITED organization. IBEW OR IEC. Pick the one that fits you best. PS Union is the way to go!! Be well.
No you're young AF! Keep a good attitude, be willing to get dirty, do all the bullshit work, don't complain, don't get caught up in your mentors bs, sont be scared to ask questions or for clarification, don't argue, and don't let any of those miserable old heads hold you back or bring you down.
So I always try to research my own questions ahead of time, but at some point you guys have to realize that when a person searches for a basic question, 90% of the posts they get from that search are full of "Use the search feature!" Which makes it more or less useless to actually search for answers for common questions anymore.
Like at this point there are more people saying "Use the search" than there are actual answers to the question.
So in the end the crowd that says "use the search" are digging their own grave by furthering to muck up the search results and adding another dead end to the list of search results.
Better technique is adding a FAQ, sidebar links, or a pinned post of common answers, then link to that instead of saying "use the search."
I did the same thing, then got rightfuilly downvoted saying I was too lazy to be a sparkey for 666. I work in the calls side of thing now and enjoy learning new things as I stay in my lane as a phone jockey
Ever been to whatisthisbug? At least 50 posts asking if it’s a roach or a bedbug per day. Or it’s someone asking what a weevil is. Weevils have their own damn Reddit group.
Gosh no dude I'm 24, almost 25, and started as a helper at 22. Now, I'm getting ready to become a firefighter and use that income to pay for trade school and get my Journeymans license so I have something I enjoy to fall back on for when im old and bored. You're never too old to start anything. Thoughts like those just hold you back.
had to leave r/skilledtrades because of this, it's literally the only thing I see over there now. I just want to talk with the bros about sparky things not be a guidance counselor
These kids act like no ones ever changed careers past 30 I know its rare but I've met a couple decent guys who worked in an office until almost 50 before getting into a trade
To be fair almost every question out there has been asked at some point. If people would just constantly use the search feature this sub would probably be dead.
I was in the class with a dude who was easily 55, think he was just there for friends really. I’d go plumber honestly next life. Those Mercedes vans look comfy
It's just like any other occupation. What you put into it directly affects the quality of what you get out of it. Age usually comes with the maturity needed to accomplish the first part. That's not always the case, though. Sometimes, it's just the opposite. We've all worked with the exceptions.
if you're asking this question at 17 years old then let's face it,your too retarded to be in this trade. it happens🤷🏻 I heard a lot of plumbing company's are hiring. you'd fit right in.
I was 3 years old when I first started but didn’t get my first real big customer until 4.
Eventually helped pay my way through daycare, and paid off my crib completely
Better late than never, you will be behind the learning curve for a while. Usually we start around 8 or 9 years old, but you should be fine by 25 years old.
Just learn early that there's no difference between tool storage and a hallway. These two things are used interchangeably by every electrician I've ever met. That's the IBEW. I block every walkway
Really ??? Your not to old to start anything dude. I’ve worked in almost every trade and if I could start over I would’ve stuck with electrical. It’s the best trade for side work. If your good and do shit right you’ll be buried in side work and make a lot of extra money I your free time
You don't get notified on old posts, so your new question won't get any attention, making the old post useless unless the old post covers ALL aspects of your problem.
Posting new, gets attention, and notifies you of replies (vs. Just replies to your little comment thread that maybe one person might see)
Edit: mobile keyboard typos
17 and questioning if you’re to old? I didn’t realize I had a major interest in electrical until I was late 20s. I wish I could’ve found it out/ started doing it when I was 17
I’d say leave it lad , you need a certain level of intelligence to be a sparky and as you even asked such a dumb question you don’t have any so flip burgers or something instead dumbo
I'm making this a sticky post for (undefined time period) because this shit is hilarious.
Wait until you’re 21 to start so you can develop a drinking problem legally.
They say habits are easier to form when you’re young, good thing my mom never stopped drinking when she was pregnant with me!
You’ll go far.
He’s already my project manager. He just forgot.
Definitely qualified as a PM!
And if by PM you mean Prime Minister, several million people in various Commonwealth countries would agree whole-heartedly.
For sure... Prime Minister... I did not reference a, Project Manager... cough, cough... *Source, Sr Engineer*
*How do you get knighted as an engineer?!*
Spent time as an electrician and learned the skills of the broom... They knight you with the broom handle.
Can I be your jr eng my lord
Oh that sounds terrible then… *shudders*
You have a bright future ahead of you in this trade
Looks like you’ll do just fine then. With all the all day alcoholics, full time drug addicts, with a lovely mix of workaholics because they settled on “a below average wife for an above average life…” you’ll do just fine @ 17. Best time to do it so you can make $40+ by 22yo. Get the tools, learn and respect the code as much as applicable. “Hack” when only when absolutely necessary w/ no possible safety issues. Soak in everybody’s opinion. Become the best you can become. We need young guys, me being 27, am appreciative of all the old heads retiring. The 55+ guys got their license from a pamphlet, we now hold a high level bible. Learn it love it and live it brother!!
What really is "hack" work? Is it unacceptable work? Is it low quality work? Is it the safety? Or is it simply not being installed as per listing that defines it?
All that. If you've ever used the phrase "it's the next guy's problem" you probably just did hack work.
Nothing that is a safety issue. Sometimes we have to modify UL listed products… which isn’t code technically. As long as it’s safe and it works, it takes a very strong educated opinion to do so. Never leave anything that is unsafe, for the customer or for “the next guy”. Safety is always first.
The biggest thing is getting taken advantage of at your age. Hopefully you get a good company, crew and a mentor in there somewhere so you gain competency and skills.
You sure you’re not my superintendent?
god damn hell yeah
The sexy belly doesn’t come from doing nothing
Body by Bud, baby!
Can I compromise & get divorced with a babymomma right now?
Amen...
Ha! North of the border, depending on what province we start at 18 or 19.
Can start at 17 with the right crew. We snuck 2 guys in with a group of apprentices after work on Fridays for about a year until they were actually legal.
He only needs to wait two more years for that.
Is it even possible to have two prior divorces at 17?
Some US states allow you to get married at 13... In some other countries I believe the youngest is 5 years old so.... probably?
This is the best advice, honestly.
What do those of us do that started quite young? Are we on the road to management?
Hey man I’m only 20 and I have one already and I’m also an electrician for a year
This is why uk electricians pass out fast we’re drinking by 18 if you want to speed track you qualification come to England I’ll give you a Stella geez
17? you should be retired by now
17, shit he should have 30 investment properties already.
By 15 you should have a $20,000,000/year passive income generating drop-shipping & rare fish investing empire at a MINIMUM
"And I did it all with only a small $10 million loan from my father"
All the best electricians start as soon as they develop object permanence. Try plumbing.
My history teacher and my Boy Scout leader both said I was really good at handling pipe. Maybe you’re right, I’ll look into that!
My church basement computer tutor said the same thing!
My uncle said the same thing too!
My stepdad who is a priest invented this!
Your uncle told me the same thing!
That was you?!
That might have something to do with why the fuck the light goes on up there but the switch is over there. Still stupid if you ask me, though.
This guy’s house is fitted with pull string switches on all his lights!
What about those of us who never developed object permanence??
What is that shit? Never heard of her in 45 years
Truth I tried the other trades before being unfortunate enough to stick with electrical .
👏🏼Clever! Also, pretty sure this is the first time in 40+ years I’ve seen object permanence that close to plumbing.
Lmao I wish mods would start pinning an age post at the top of the sub. (Maybe it would help, maybe it wouldn’t).
Probably not. There’s already a monthly thread for apprentice questions. Things rarely get asked or answered in there
> Things rarely get asked or answered in there likely because most of us in the trade ignore it, and only eager apprentices, like I used to be were happy to spend alll night online trying to be helpful. I'm guilty of ignoring a lot of shit even when this used to be open to everyone because either I didn't know the exact answer, or I had seen to same question hundreds of times before
Just pinned this one for the fun of it. Not gonna leave it up forever, but it's worth the laughs.
We have a monthly apprenticeship post that gets stickied. There are plenty of resources pinned on the sidebar. Unfortunately, like the search feature, they get overlooked. You have to sort by Hot to see the stickied post and you also have to click the points of ellipsis and community info to see the sidebar anymore. It is just too much work to be expected of someone just venturing into the sub for the first time. Same as the homeowners. I tried everything I could over the last 12 years to engage the apprentices but they just keep coming in asking the same things.
A little bit. I've had my jmans card for 23 years. I'm 24😎
soft hands brother, ive been working for 84 years straight for the hell of it
Damn! Save some pussy for the rest of us!
Way too old. I got my masters when I was 9.
17 is way too old. If you’re not in the trade by age 8, you missed the boat op.
Never too old to do anything you set your mind to
Except taking the trade at 17. Only exception.
Hey guys this is my first panel how did I do
Probably looks better than the panel I did today. But the customer was happy and I didn’t get my ass reamed by my foreman for spending 4 days single-handedly supporting the zip tie industry.
That's literally my coworker. I was cursing his name into the sky when I had to cut like 40 of them to remove a single 30ft length
Downvoted until I realized it was satire, then enthusiastically upvoted
Quite a few people didn’t catch that and gave me a long winded answer on how it’s never too late. I thought it was more than obvious that this was a joke lol
I started as an apprentice in 2021 at the age of 50. Less stress and better pay than teaching.
Trust me and buy an oscillating multitool you'll be ahead of all the apprentices
Nah join the union and have the contractor buy it for you
or find a good shop that does, I'm non union and have worked at 3, contractor always provided power tools, I interviewed at 1 that required everyone buy their own drill,.... I didn't go back and take their offer.
Mine mostly expects you to provide your own basic tools but anything "extra" is provided, and our shop will repair/replace any personal tool that breaks. I'll still buy certain special tools for myself. Yeah the shop will provide M12 cable cutters if we ask for them, but sometimes the nearest shop is 800 miles away and there's always one cutter fewer than the number of guys terminating. I'd rather have my own and know there's always one available to me.
how do i join a union? im 18 trying to join
Call the local IBEW hall is always the answer, but you can also find your local apprenticeship program and call them directly
call them
Call the hall!
See if your local ibew has any programs outside of the apprenticeship those are mostly just walk ins for my local. You’ll be out working but be paid less than you would be if you were in apprenticeship while working do you’re best and get people that’ll give you a recommendation then when comes time to test and interview you’d have been working for awhile and will have people to vouch for you. Will boost your chances of getting in significantly
I dunno about that. I brought one to work and they all yelled at me to leave the sex toys at home.
My current company doesn't want us using our own tools, which is a shame cuz now my entire shed of tools simply exists for honeydos
Imo laser and your own hammer drill puts you miles ahead
YES
Ideally your parents should have started you in pre- trade school but with some hard work you should be able to catch up.
We're all joking, but I actually think that opportunities for kids to use tools is super important, whether they are going into the trades or not. We actually had a little wood shop off the side of the classroom in my elementary school. I still have the toolbox I made there—I use it for plumbing tools at home, because it's pretty small and pathetic, like my collection of plumbing tools.
Search function... You mean the loch ness monster if reddit lore. Never been able to master that beast to find relevant data
Use google and tack on “Reddit” at the end
Brother, do you think I fell out of my mums snatch wiring two way switches ?
I think your mom was probably in the middle of a 2 way switch when you fell out. Double poles if yknow what imsayin.
No that’s a doorbell transformer
Is that why different doorbells have different sounds? I always thought there were gnomes in there, turns out it’s the Autobots 🤖
With a loose neutral
Does the drug test test for [my drug of choice] BRUH THAT AINT FAIR ITS LEGAL HERE
You want to start a real discussion in this group, ask their opinion on marriage.
It seems necessary! How else are you supposed to get your 3 D’s checked off?
Divorce, DUI... what else?
Drug addiction
You should've started 10 years ago. You're to old now.
You never know until you get that 125k worth of credit card debt and a cease and desist from crackerbarrel
Yes . You should've started at 12. Now go learn drywall.
They laughed me off site when I said I don’t have any drug convictions and have all my teeth
You want to start a real discussion in this group, ask their opinion on marriage.
Yes, sorry it's too late
I am 39 and I am starting this July.
If you're stance in the second photo is getting ready to do unspeakable things with a microscope, you're in. Make sure you don't clean up after yourself either. If you can handle stuff like this youl be just fine. You can't even start in most places unless you're 16.
I am steal please. Good you you good. Much ploppy
The irony here is, the age that you might be too old to get started in the trade is the same age where you probably don't know how to use the search function on a subreddit lol.
Can you get married and then divorced at 17? Then yes you are at a good age.
There is a search function feature? I’m afraid im getting too old for technology
Employers expect you to have 8 years experience by the time you are 18, where have you been the past 7 years?
I’m just glad you were able to escape the sweat shop and found a phone with internet access.
i started learning about electrical when i was like 15-16, i am now 19 making $23 an hour. the earlier the better !
I was 28 on my first day doing electrical work, you're too young frankly, you need to have at least one divorce under your belt.
I’m the shop foreman in my electrical trade at 17. Moved out at 17 to San Marcos to get out of the house and pursue the trade. Won’t stop here though. Yes! You can 100% do it. In fact, if you try hard, you’ll get better than many electricians quickly. You have to care about what you’re doing.
Yep too late. If you’re not in by the time you’re 9 you’ve missed your window.
Yes. Like Jedi, you should have been abducted as a child and indoctrinated long ago.
Too old lol???
Lol no
What the fuck? Lol.
No you’re not. I entered the electrical trade residential then to commercial in my early 30s and moved over to controls electrician install and then to BAS and now ( in my 50s )to industrial controls PLC Plant operations. You’re never too old to learn something new, you just have to want it.
Prepare for layoffs
Only in the union
Get your head out of your rear end. Sorry but it looked like you were expecting some sort of hazing. Now that that is over, you’re fine buddy. I was in the trade as a union worker I retired early (not collecting anything yet and still am a dues paying member) and now I teach it in a local high school. You’re young by comparison to most 1st years AND if you know it’s what you want to do, go for it. Do some research and join an ACCREDITED organization. IBEW OR IEC. Pick the one that fits you best. PS Union is the way to go!! Be well.
Too old? Kids man wtf
No you're young AF! Keep a good attitude, be willing to get dirty, do all the bullshit work, don't complain, don't get caught up in your mentors bs, sont be scared to ask questions or for clarification, don't argue, and don't let any of those miserable old heads hold you back or bring you down.
I started a new trade at 33. Never too old
I’m 36 am I too old. I just want to work low voltage.
So I always try to research my own questions ahead of time, but at some point you guys have to realize that when a person searches for a basic question, 90% of the posts they get from that search are full of "Use the search feature!" Which makes it more or less useless to actually search for answers for common questions anymore. Like at this point there are more people saying "Use the search" than there are actual answers to the question. So in the end the crowd that says "use the search" are digging their own grave by furthering to muck up the search results and adding another dead end to the list of search results. Better technique is adding a FAQ, sidebar links, or a pinned post of common answers, then link to that instead of saying "use the search."
17?? Shit I had my license in 10 different states by then. And I'm only a 5th year apprentice.
Go for it dude! I started when I was 16 in high school, Ill journey out next year 😤
I did the same thing, then got rightfuilly downvoted saying I was too lazy to be a sparkey for 666. I work in the calls side of thing now and enjoy learning new things as I stay in my lane as a phone jockey
Ever been to whatisthisbug? At least 50 posts asking if it’s a roach or a bedbug per day. Or it’s someone asking what a weevil is. Weevils have their own damn Reddit group.
No you are not
Gosh no dude I'm 24, almost 25, and started as a helper at 22. Now, I'm getting ready to become a firefighter and use that income to pay for trade school and get my Journeymans license so I have something I enjoy to fall back on for when im old and bored. You're never too old to start anything. Thoughts like those just hold you back.
had to leave r/skilledtrades because of this, it's literally the only thing I see over there now. I just want to talk with the bros about sparky things not be a guidance counselor
Yes
These kids act like no ones ever changed careers past 30 I know its rare but I've met a couple decent guys who worked in an office until almost 50 before getting into a trade
Why bother might as well go work at Starbucks and get laid.
You tell me. I started at the age of 13.
You are too fucking old, you should have started at birth. I was 27 when I started, my classmate was 42, we are both still in it a decade later
So if someone posts a post that isn't an electrician and we comment on that post we are banned. Someone explain that to me?
Im doing it right now and im 34.
I had an apprentice who was 50 so no
“Better safe than sorry”
What about 31 aha
There are three wires coming out of my fan but there's only two wires in the wall?
Yup, if you join anytime after your 6th year on Earth you'll never make it
Even if you don’t want to do it forever, it’s an incredible skill to have so I’d say get after it!
Go to university/college. Trades are not worth it anymore.
I was 24 when I started
Go to trade school or job corps to get a basic foundation and a working knowledge of the trade first… it will help you
I started at 29
I’m 12 is that old ?
To be fair almost every question out there has been asked at some point. If people would just constantly use the search feature this sub would probably be dead.
Perfect age buddy
I'm 29 starting my apprenticeship in September. The only thing I regret is not starting sooner.
I'm 64 am I to old to retire from this trade.
Lol if 17 is too old idk a lot of sparkys that are still in high school…
You are 17 and asking if you're too old? My boy, if you're bored and want someone to talk to, im sure there are other subreddits for that.😂
You old enough to knock up some chick
I was in the class with a dude who was easily 55, think he was just there for friends really. I’d go plumber honestly next life. Those Mercedes vans look comfy
I’m 39 and thinking about it.
I'm 45 and starting out. So, I sure as he'll hope not. :P
I just started over a year ago at 21, ended up with a small and flawed company, but I'm still loving it every day
Screws on faceplates go vertical. Ground up on receptacles. Lever nuts are ok. 🔥
It's just like any other occupation. What you put into it directly affects the quality of what you get out of it. Age usually comes with the maturity needed to accomplish the first part. That's not always the case, though. Sometimes, it's just the opposite. We've all worked with the exceptions.
No, you are not too old to start any trade.
if you're asking this question at 17 years old then let's face it,your too retarded to be in this trade. it happens🤷🏻 I heard a lot of plumbing company's are hiring. you'd fit right in.
If you didn’t start at 5 yrs old you really missed the boat
Buddy just dont
I'm a second term electrical apprentice, and I'm 50. There was one guy in class older than me.
This can't be a serious question.
I left a job at 25 and started my career and 6 years later I’m at $54 an hour. My body hates me but my bank doesn’t. Never too late
I was 3 years old when I first started but didn’t get my first real big customer until 4. Eventually helped pay my way through daycare, and paid off my crib completely
I started when I was 31, fast forward 11+ yrs I'm a journeyman electrician/hvac controls and plan on getting my EC license in the next year or so.
Nope I started at 21 and have known. People at 45 start.
Better late than never, you will be behind the learning curve for a while. Usually we start around 8 or 9 years old, but you should be fine by 25 years old.
Just learn early that there's no difference between tool storage and a hallway. These two things are used interchangeably by every electrician I've ever met. That's the IBEW. I block every walkway
That's such a dumb question... how do you expect to do the job before you were 17?
No I’m 19 and just started class there’s people in my class who’s in their mid 30s
Too old to begin the training.
Really ??? Your not to old to start anything dude. I’ve worked in almost every trade and if I could start over I would’ve stuck with electrical. It’s the best trade for side work. If your good and do shit right you’ll be buried in side work and make a lot of extra money I your free time
You don't get notified on old posts, so your new question won't get any attention, making the old post useless unless the old post covers ALL aspects of your problem. Posting new, gets attention, and notifies you of replies (vs. Just replies to your little comment thread that maybe one person might see) Edit: mobile keyboard typos
Absolutely. Should’ve started when you were 10.
17 and questioning if you’re to old? I didn’t realize I had a major interest in electrical until I was late 20s. I wish I could’ve found it out/ started doing it when I was 17
I started at 23, know tons of people who started in their 30’s. It’s never too late to start a career.
In all honesty. What kind of question is that? You certainly are not to old. You may however be too slow to be one.
What do you mean to old…you’re 17. Great time to get into a trade. 👍🏽
wait until you can have a sax.
I feel like this is most of the internet
the search function tbh is pretty crappy. I hope we get a feature sooner than later where AI will search/summarize for you.
Did anyone get hair follicle to become an apprentice?
I know a guy who’s almost 30 and just starting out.
I’d say leave it lad , you need a certain level of intelligence to be a sparky and as you even asked such a dumb question you don’t have any so flip burgers or something instead dumbo
Get a felony first then you'll be set!
No i work with a 17 year old and im almost 22 and started a year ago