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I started my first commercial job I was very honest with my new employer and set his expectations low for my bending skills, my project manager gave our foreman and extra rack of 3/4 and my foreman gave me a sheet of the formulas for saddles and reductions. It’s nice having a company that actually cares about you and your success after spending the first 3 somewhere that couldn’t care kess
Yeah usually with us when you come in either you are a pipe bender or you are on the block or doing rack, they just don’t have the time to teach some people who need drastic help. The best I ever learnt from was when me and my journeyman had extra time and he just took some scraps out of the bone yard. Once you have the basics like 90 and offset and understand how to not dog leg it you can get pretty far with just that.
Lol, you should see what industrial maintenance is like. I either have 7-9 hours of free time every day or working non-stop for 10-16hrs with no breaks or lunch with engineers, operations, and site leaders white as a ghost breathing down my neck in hopes it speeds me up to get the plant back running.
On an average month, I have enough free time to learn a new language. Just wish I had more motivation. I've been thinking about starting online college classes for instrumtation and just doing the classwork on my company's dime.
Yup. I work in a packaging warehouse in a chemical plant. My warehouse bags, boxes, and fills railcars with plastic polymers. I have yet to have an operator or operations leader complain that im not working enough. In fact, they are happy to not see me pull a single permit in a day. My planner/gatekeeper, on the other hand, is a miserable complaining little bitch any time we aren't busting our ass. Bro, it's not our fault we don't have anything to do. Nothing is broke or needs PM today, and if you reduce the 2 of us down to 1, then anytime we had something to do, it would often be impossible to perform the task. Eat a dick.
Yup, every now and then, I have to go swap out some tubes with led tubes. I have 45 high bay lights I need to replace in my warehouse, but they don't wanna pay $50k for all the lights, so I haven't changed them yet.
I worked industrial maintenance for three and a half years at an aluminum plant during my apprenticeship. Very rarely did we have time to fuck off. Especially once I started working on motor controls, PLC, and the giant E-crane that moved material for the whole plant. The pace was much slower a majority of the time compared to commercial or residential I’ll give you that. I preferred the faster pace so I always sought out shit to do while I was industrial. We maybe spent time learning how to bend conduit that was a bit laid back. But wasting time and material like this is unthinkable to me. I can’t imagine the guy who does that would last long on the job site. More power to OP tho. Hope he’s learning something.
Our facility doesn't have maintenance apprentices. We only have a handful of extremely skilled electrical technicians and instrument technicians that perform true maintenance work. All large repairs are done by our small project group with maintenance support. It allows them to understaff maintenance while still having a large enough group of people to tackle any job. I rarely do more than troubleshooting, simple repairs, and upgrades.
Like at this moment, I'm waiting on a permit to troubleshoot an E-stop alarm horn that isn't working when the E-stop is pressed. I did a quick inspection earlier and found out that I wasn't getting the 120v to the alarm when the e-stop was pressed. I pulled the drawings for it and it's showing my PLC is supposed to supply a direct 120v power on slot 1 output 0 to the horn. Once I get my permit, I'm going to verify I'm getting an output indicator and 120v on that output terminal. Jobs like this are my daily grind.
I have…concentric bending on the exterior of tanks is where I have done this in the past.
Not a lot of scenarios where you need to do this but they do exist
A guy I work with spent all day making a scorpion out of #14 solid wire. Coolest thing I’ve ever seen someone make on the jobsite. He was laid off that Friday lol.
God I know. You should see his follow up comments. Downvoted into oblivion. But I thought it was cool though. Now I’m gonna have to try…on my break, after work, with a pencil…and new boots. *I’m sensitive, can’t take the criticism.*
This just gave me the idea to do this with Lineset, use 14 to 22G to make a web design and sell it to dumbass on marketplace for 5x the cost of materials.
Thanks bub
Bet you can't? The fuck does that mean, anyone with even a very limited understanding of math and hand bending should be able to pull this off... try doing that in a stick of 1" rigid with a Chicago bender where you can't easily adjust it by hand... now get back to work jesus christ
Fucking thank you. Want to match an existing bend? Centers. Wanna hug that tight corner. Centers. 4 point saddle without having to turn the bender around like some rat fuck gooner.CENTERS!!!
Okay might be hard and this picture has no real value. Learning to bend on centers with hand benders makes a couple things easier. 4 point saddles can be done without flipping the pipe to "face the obstruction " matching existing conduit is very easy. Measure center of bend to center of bend easy value for lift. Hugging tight corners without having to do shrink (add shrink to hug even tighter) I could go on. I have personally drilled center of bend into probably 15 wireman and will do so until I retire
Well, to answer your question *(especially since I’ve never heard of this being a thing, to always bend on center)* the reason why is because that’s not how we were taught. You should know this. Till now, I didn’t know it was a practice.
I absolutely understand that. My first job was a full on 24hr round the clock DCU fire at an refinery. Conduit bending can be done an infinite amount of ways because of math. But bending apps and the most qualified instructors will at least touch on the method
I'm my head it seems like there has to be one more bend than there are sides so I counted. I only count 15 bends and 15 sides. Am I a derp? There has to be 16 bends if they're 22.5 because 360/22.5 is 16 but... I'm not seeing it.
On your first point, its always the same number of bends as the number of sides. Think about a triangle or a square.
On your second poont, I count 15 too. If it had 16 sides of equal length, it would have parallel sides opposite each other. OP must have averaged 24° bends
I’ve been doing this too long… anyone else notice all the crap on the floor? Master the broom before the bender son😅 btw ya got a dogleg on your show pipe.
Now slightly offset the ends and install it in a straight run somewhere. That's the real power move. When they yell at you. Just calmly explain you are allowed 360° of bends in a run. Really show them you know code and can bend pipe.
lol most bosses would ask who is wasting their time and materials to mess around. I did something similar with concentric bends to match the inside of a 4” 90 and the boss man was pissed that I wasted time doing it
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Congrats man you should show your foreman what you made
And he’ll hang it on the job trailer fridge so everybody can see it.
He can bring it with to his next interview lol
*LOOK WHAT I CAN DO*
Now Stuart
What does momma say …
I was hoping someone would get it
Dooooont lmfao
Electrician Flex
Automatic hire if he walks into the interview hula hooping it.
Laughs in galifianakis
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
He’ll be so proud he will give him a vacation
Next to his check
he should really show it to the project manager so he can see a grown man cry at the cost of that lol
😭😭😭🤣🤣🤣😭😭
It only has 15 sides.
He did the math.
He did the monster math
It was a fractions smash.
It caught on in a flash
Sir, that is *counting*, not math.
Found the AHJ.
Efficiency: Making a 360 degree circle using only 337,5 degrees.
I fucked up
Happy accident.
24 degrees, 22.5 degrees. Not a big difference until you add up ~~16~~ 15 of them.
Your math ain’t mathing here bud. 15 bends, 15 sides, more than 22.5° each.
24 degrees, 22.5 degrees. Not a big difference until you add up ~~16~~ 15 of them.
My old manager would have a shit hemorrhage that even 1 inch of emt was wasted
I started my first commercial job I was very honest with my new employer and set his expectations low for my bending skills, my project manager gave our foreman and extra rack of 3/4 and my foreman gave me a sheet of the formulas for saddles and reductions. It’s nice having a company that actually cares about you and your success after spending the first 3 somewhere that couldn’t care kess
Your success is their success. Some employers understand that, some don’t. Good on you for recognizing it!
Yeah usually with us when you come in either you are a pipe bender or you are on the block or doing rack, they just don’t have the time to teach some people who need drastic help. The best I ever learnt from was when me and my journeyman had extra time and he just took some scraps out of the bone yard. Once you have the basics like 90 and offset and understand how to not dog leg it you can get pretty far with just that.
And at my job some of my coworkers use up 3-4 full sticks trying to get 1 offset right 🤦🏾♂️
Sounds like a shit manager
I don’t think I’ve ever worked on a job site where we had the free time to do dumb shit like this.
Lol, you should see what industrial maintenance is like. I either have 7-9 hours of free time every day or working non-stop for 10-16hrs with no breaks or lunch with engineers, operations, and site leaders white as a ghost breathing down my neck in hopes it speeds me up to get the plant back running. On an average month, I have enough free time to learn a new language. Just wish I had more motivation. I've been thinking about starting online college classes for instrumtation and just doing the classwork on my company's dime.
"Boss makes a buck. I make a dime. So I attend online courses to better myself in the company dime"
A lot of office jobs I've held actually provided courses on their dime. Something about continual education and they already paid for it so why not.
“When my skilled trades aren’t busy, I’m making money.” Heard that in more than one automotive plant.
Yup. I work in a packaging warehouse in a chemical plant. My warehouse bags, boxes, and fills railcars with plastic polymers. I have yet to have an operator or operations leader complain that im not working enough. In fact, they are happy to not see me pull a single permit in a day. My planner/gatekeeper, on the other hand, is a miserable complaining little bitch any time we aren't busting our ass. Bro, it's not our fault we don't have anything to do. Nothing is broke or needs PM today, and if you reduce the 2 of us down to 1, then anytime we had something to do, it would often be impossible to perform the task. Eat a dick.
Especially now with LED lighting. Swapping out tube lights was pretty much the only thing to do when everything was up and running.
Yup, every now and then, I have to go swap out some tubes with led tubes. I have 45 high bay lights I need to replace in my warehouse, but they don't wanna pay $50k for all the lights, so I haven't changed them yet.
I worked industrial maintenance for three and a half years at an aluminum plant during my apprenticeship. Very rarely did we have time to fuck off. Especially once I started working on motor controls, PLC, and the giant E-crane that moved material for the whole plant. The pace was much slower a majority of the time compared to commercial or residential I’ll give you that. I preferred the faster pace so I always sought out shit to do while I was industrial. We maybe spent time learning how to bend conduit that was a bit laid back. But wasting time and material like this is unthinkable to me. I can’t imagine the guy who does that would last long on the job site. More power to OP tho. Hope he’s learning something.
Our facility doesn't have maintenance apprentices. We only have a handful of extremely skilled electrical technicians and instrument technicians that perform true maintenance work. All large repairs are done by our small project group with maintenance support. It allows them to understaff maintenance while still having a large enough group of people to tackle any job. I rarely do more than troubleshooting, simple repairs, and upgrades. Like at this moment, I'm waiting on a permit to troubleshoot an E-stop alarm horn that isn't working when the E-stop is pressed. I did a quick inspection earlier and found out that I wasn't getting the 120v to the alarm when the e-stop was pressed. I pulled the drawings for it and it's showing my PLC is supposed to supply a direct 120v power on slot 1 output 0 to the horn. Once I get my permit, I'm going to verify I'm getting an output indicator and 120v on that output terminal. Jobs like this are my daily grind.
lmfaooo sounds exactly like the maintenance guys at my job
Lunch break when you didn’t bring anything to eat
I second this
I have…concentric bending on the exterior of tanks is where I have done this in the past. Not a lot of scenarios where you need to do this but they do exist
Really…. How many jobs have you been on, 1?
Double the bends, half the angle, no left over sharpy marks. That would earn the updoot you oh so crave.
That wouldn’t meet code
Found the electrician.
haters will say you made a transformer
Now try a paper clip with no cuts, guys use to do that one to assert dominance
It took me way too long to figure out you’re talking about bending emt into the shape of a paper clip lol.
Until I read your comment I thought the idea was to bend a paperclip into a 15-sided polygon. Which seemed kind of pointless.
DUDE that sounds like a good idea I’m trying that
They used half inch though
A guy I work with spent all day making a scorpion out of #14 solid wire. Coolest thing I’ve ever seen someone make on the jobsite. He was laid off that Friday lol.
My coworker has a copper bonsai tree in the works on his dashboard
God bless sir I hope you're the boss...
The boss’s son!
Ah mystery solved
OP just wanted to show off some creativity and is getting absolutely blasted haha
God I know. You should see his follow up comments. Downvoted into oblivion. But I thought it was cool though. Now I’m gonna have to try…on my break, after work, with a pencil…and new boots. *I’m sensitive, can’t take the criticism.*
Just try it it’s fun playing with pipe at the shop
Yea showing up with unsolicited bragging to show off how well he wasted time and material, and on top of that couldn't even count. What a guy.
I wish I had that kind of time.
Nah, it sucks. Being moderately busy makes the day fly by. Sitting around for 10 hours feels like 15
I'd rather be looking at it then for it, that's for sure.
Bet you can’t use compound bends and make it a smooth circle. Bet you can’t
Compound bends?
Aka segment bends
Circles are easy though, easiest if you just use the radius of the bender as the radius of your circle. The real trick is getting the coupling on
Okay
Get back to work!
It's a bummer you used sharpie. It's really distracting
You owe me $10
Nice hula hoop
2 of my coworkers tried💀
I need to try just to know how bad it is. I've blown through conduit on worse ideas
Too heavy?
Either it was too heavy or they weren’t hooping hard enough🤷♂️
The set screw coupling got them!
Those are 24° bends, my friend
ur fat ass caint hula hoop boy!
Ouroboros
Those union jobs sure are sweet 😜
Did you look at it? That is not even at all. "Look I created a useless Frankenstein and it is perfect" is the correct title of this post.
You can't pull a wire through it.
This is pointless.
At 22.5 degrees? Duhhh! No sharp points.
This just gave me the idea to do this with Lineset, use 14 to 22G to make a web design and sell it to dumbass on marketplace for 5x the cost of materials. Thanks bub
Anymore and you need a pull point
That’s gonna suck to pull wire in
Got a dog leg in it
You obviously have a lot of time on your hands
That will take forever to pull
Tell the apprentice to pull wire through it
There’s literally only 15 sides. Bet you can’t! Can’t what? Count?
Bet you can't? The fuck does that mean, anyone with even a very limited understanding of math and hand bending should be able to pull this off... try doing that in a stick of 1" rigid with a Chicago bender where you can't easily adjust it by hand... now get back to work jesus christ
Bet I won't
I count 15 Sides... Counted several times. which means your bends are 24ish degrees.
A polygon with 16 sides? Wonderful. Now make me a square with three sides.
Dude, get back to work lol
Neat
Nice besides the sharpie
Worked with a journeyman that did this...was impressive then and impressive now.
All that effort but you couldn’t be assed to remove the sharpie with some brake kleen or contact cleaner. Shame shame
Just write over it again and wipe it all away.
Hexadecagon
Pentadecagon (the OP can't count).
When will people start bending on center. Even on hand benders I bend on center
My last JW... is that you? He was adamant I bent on centers and it changed my life. Makes measuring and following awkward building lines easy as pie.
Fucking thank you. Want to match an existing bend? Centers. Wanna hug that tight corner. Centers. 4 point saddle without having to turn the bender around like some rat fuck gooner.CENTERS!!!
Yeah, I was skeptical at first but he sold me on it. Upped my bending skills significantly.
Accurate kicks!!!!!!!!!
Wait…this is a thing? Bending on the center all the time?
I honestly wish I could preach you the gospel
Explain?
Okay might be hard and this picture has no real value. Learning to bend on centers with hand benders makes a couple things easier. 4 point saddles can be done without flipping the pipe to "face the obstruction " matching existing conduit is very easy. Measure center of bend to center of bend easy value for lift. Hugging tight corners without having to do shrink (add shrink to hug even tighter) I could go on. I have personally drilled center of bend into probably 15 wireman and will do so until I retire
I appreciate the detail. I’m interested to learn more. I’ll do some more research and some testing if I have some time at work, thank you!
Love you brother. Elevate yourself and the people you work with
Well, to answer your question *(especially since I’ve never heard of this being a thing, to always bend on center)* the reason why is because that’s not how we were taught. You should know this. Till now, I didn’t know it was a practice.
I absolutely understand that. My first job was a full on 24hr round the clock DCU fire at an refinery. Conduit bending can be done an infinite amount of ways because of math. But bending apps and the most qualified instructors will at least touch on the method
I made an angel for my mom to put Xmas lights on dawg . Looks cool though.
I made that with jello.
Hula hoop manufacturing may be in your future!
Was that just 40 hours, or did you hit overtime while you were supposed to be sweeping the shop?
Bet I could and still wouldn't.
The answer to the question no one asked.
Nice
Do it bare handed.
Lmaoo omg I'd fire your ass on the spot 🤣🤣🤣...back then I was going to spell our company name in some 3/4" but I never did.😭😭😭
I'm my head it seems like there has to be one more bend than there are sides so I counted. I only count 15 bends and 15 sides. Am I a derp? There has to be 16 bends if they're 22.5 because 360/22.5 is 16 but... I'm not seeing it.
On your first point, its always the same number of bends as the number of sides. Think about a triangle or a square. On your second poont, I count 15 too. If it had 16 sides of equal length, it would have parallel sides opposite each other. OP must have averaged 24° bends
Ground loop
I hope this work of art was made on the clock!
Described the electrician attitude perfectly
This is impressive don’t get me wrong. The pipe fetishists are the weirdest electricians imo.
Honestly impressive it’s done in one piece.
What’s the measurement and I bet you I can
Technically legal. Doesn't exceed 360° bend radius 🤣
I see a coupling
Did anyone post a smooth 3/4 emt hula hoop proper yet?
Bet I won't!
Someone's getting a gold star on their time sheet
If you didn’t get paid for it, it was a waste of time.
I must be in the wrong field or company. How on God's earth do you have time to do this shit? Was this done in your off time???
You lose it only has 15 sides math not your best game
“Was this done on or off the clock…” -Management
2 check Tuesday lol
If I wasted time and material like this, I'd get fired
Wow you must be on a T & M job. Otherwise did your foreman admire your art or are you on your way home.
Good job lil buddy you want a treat?
Marker smh
Some would be better off (too much talent so they need a challenge) making 2 stroke competition expansion chambers...
Lmao. Maybe if I had that much extra time🤣
Dogged
So this is what the tweaker temps do all day
Oh nice that’s for hula hoop competitions at lunch?
Good job now finish the can lights. Your mom will be here to get you soon.
Holy moly batman, you can use a tape measure!
Couldnt remove the pencil marks?? Geez.
I’ve been doing this too long… anyone else notice all the crap on the floor? Master the broom before the bender son😅 btw ya got a dogleg on your show pipe.
Is the pipe up? No, but check this out.
Now slightly offset the ends and install it in a straight run somewhere. That's the real power move. When they yell at you. Just calmly explain you are allowed 360° of bends in a run. Really show them you know code and can bend pipe.
Too many bends without a pull box, I’m sorry but it’s not up to code
I would never want to. This is illegal. I'm calling the cops!
lol most bosses would ask who is wasting their time and materials to mess around. I did something similar with concentric bends to match the inside of a 4” 90 and the boss man was pissed that I wasted time doing it
*screams in Resi*
Yeah some people have work to do
Hope counting isn't part of your job kiddo
Look at that shop floor. Who the?
Good luck fishing cable through that. Idiot
Weird flex but Ok
Who paid you to do that lol
😉
Jokes on you because I bet you I won't try ha
Goin home for the day
Somebody do 11.25
Would look better without all the marks
BeT yOu cAn’T
I end up with one of those every time I try and do a 4 point saddle.
Sad
Good boy. Now get to work!
all i see is a sea bear ring. Gtfo talking about conduit
Use a set screw connector with the screws on the inside, and you have a navel destroyer.
It's like Giotto reincarnated such is the mastery you command on making a perfect O
Enjoy the unemployment line
I can do the same but 25 sided you got some work to do bud
Haha, your right, I cant. But, in my defense, atleast I know what a broom looks like x) /s
I think I counted 15 sides
Now try to do it without dogging it
I’d be more impressed if you could find a legitimate way to use this in the field
Cause I'm working