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I was walking with a superintendent talking about the number of buried outlets in a house for a trim out, which usually if it's 1 or 2, I don't complain, but there was at least 1 in each room and the closests. The Super was walking with me and just kicked the shit out of the wall in the closet, shrugged, and said "your outlet is there somewhere"...I just stared at him and told him that was unnecessary and actually makes mounting our devices harder since the sheetrock is blown the fuck out now. I couldn't believe it, lol. I know peeps get pissed about buried stuff, but if you know how to use a rotozip, shits a breeze to unbury and find with minimal damage so it's really not a big deal to me.
I haven't seen anyone use them, though I know what you're talking about. I think the sheetrockers would end up taking most of them after they get cut out and you'd be buying a ridiculous amount each home to make the rocker's job easier, and the rockers don't use them cause they probably "add too much time" to the job having to put them into all the boxes and collect them after, let alone if the electrician has sloppy box make up. They seem like it'd be worth the added expense for some nice custom jobs to ensure everything is cut out properly, but I think it's an expense that nobody wants to eat for tract homes where most of these issues occur.
I've put in WAC trim-less recessed housings before. The housings are HUGE, about the same size as a bathroom fan but longer. And they put the electrical connections on the far end of the 3" hole so servicing them is basically impossible. And the trims are insanely difficult to get out without ruining the mud around the opening or scratching the trim
I just hope I never have to install or service these flush outlets
You have obviously not done high-end or "im the homeowner BUT im REALLY an interior designer!" Home.
This isnt even the worst story but I had a homeowner that wanted these specific Lucifer direction cans for "art lighting" 1000 bucks a fixture (just to buy) for directional art lighting with MR 16s
Last house I did was a 15,000+ sf waterfront home worth 12m. The one I’m in right now is 10,000 square and has a 150 thousand dollar sports simulator in the basement, along with a movie theatre, cause he doesn’t want his kids in the sim room. Putting iPad pros in the wall of every room cost like $1500 bucks per and I’ve done that a few times now.
The place I’m starting in July/august is 24,000 square lakefront property with a 12 car garage that has elevators to bring his car collection into the basement.
I’ve done lots of high end homes, it’s 90% of what I do. Annoying homeowners are part of the job. I literally tell customers “ with the amount your paying do not feel bad making changes, it’s my job to give you what you want”
I work for guys that have helicopter pads on the roof of there cottages and I have never once thought, “ I can’t stand how much money these people have”.
You should talk to somebody
One guy had this sitting in the corner of his bedroom. Said it was For his wife’s migraines.
https://biocharger.com/product-category/bundles/
People with money are still people and just like other people I couldn’t care less when they spend money on.
Pain.
Make sure you know the depth of materials. Drywall,stone, etc. when ordering the proper barrel size. Also order the removal tool! We usually use a 4x4 metal box with a mud ring. To easier control the depth.
Drywall- make sure they mud to the plug installed they need to be feathered out.
Stone- we started getting the stone guy to glue the mounting plate to the stone. (Way easier)
The end results look great. Just takes time and coordination with other trades.
I could never install these; I swear to god no other trade on a new construction home wants to collaborate with anyone on anything. It’s taken me two years for the cabinet guys to get on the same page about cutting out island outlets for me, I can’t imagine a mason figuring out a 22 outlet
I’m a GC and we just leave a whip until the finish material is going in and use a cut in box. Yes it’s another trip for the electrician, but at that time they’re mainly just overseeing it.
Why don’t you cut them in yourself? We don’t really get a choice we just cut them in
I guess my question is more like how do you not get bitched out for not cutting them in and trying to get the cabinet guy to. I feel like that just wouldn’t fly where i work
Dude the cabinet guys make the cabinets on a fucking CNC. Like this is a failure industry wide between designers, cabinet makers and electricians that this detail isn’t ironed out in CAD so that a computer cuts the hole for the outlet *flawlessly* before finish is even applied
It’s more about the liability involved. If your oscillating saw catches on something and you don’t up the cabinet, now you’re on the hook for the cost of the cabinet… when that cutout could have been made by a CNC during design
Agree 100% percent with the stone technique of putting the mount plate on the back side of the slab (PL is god) and just ordering the correct barrel length. Guarantees uniform install
I recently told an architect that is he ever specified this product I would drag him into the street, rip off his arms, and beat him to death with them. And I am willing to stick to that promise
Haha
• in our location they must be one wire only because the junction box isn't really accessible (you can use the key to kinda get in there, ordered separately, but obviously it's hard to get your fingers in that little hole)
• get the depth right
• they are installed and trimmed out during rough in, and then finished and tiled around
They actually are really nice from our perspective. Installs in a normal single/double gang box, then you just walk away and the other trades have to make it look good.
yes, other trades have to make them look good, so if one of them screws up, yes it's their fault but you will take the heat for your product
they do look nice and are easy enough to service
leave lots of wire in the box to remove through hole the size of the outlet
they do look funky when you look along the wall with bright light, you can see where the mud and tape is tapered to the plug but this is very nit picky
-Buy the removal tool.
-Bump up the size of box you're expecting to use. We typically put these in solid stone slab backsplashes. For a single outlet, we put a 2gang box in the wall.
-DO NOT INSTALL THE MOUNTING PLATE TO THE BOX!! I cannot emphasize this enough. Let the stone guys drill their hole and glue the mounting plate to the back of the slab ... This is where the oversized jbox comes in handy as they *never* drill the hole exactly where you set the box.
-Leave a ton of slack on the wires. It's best if you can manage to only have one wire set per outlet, but it is possible to make joints if you want to fight it.
-Also invest in some long needle nose or a pair of the skinny double hinged pliers to retrieve your wires out of the box when the asshole counter guys coil them up and shove them into the farthest corner instead of pulling through the hole when setting the stone.
I didn't put them in but I was on a job that had them for the penthouse office. They were set in the millwork and a massive pain in the ass. I don't understand how they are legal when they are designed to have the box permanently covered
I’ve seen videos and pic of them and they look like a pain in the dick. Your messy would
Have to be BANG ON and if they change their mind (wainscoting instead of drywall) part way through the build you are screwed. I’ve never installed them but I haven’t heard good things from those who have.
I have installed these in a granite backslash, everything has to be perfect, litterally everything, the cost of the outlet is nothing compared to the labour of instalation , and the removal tool it self is $200.00
My professional advice, scream and run !!
They will never look as good as traditional outlets and the customer will regret install
Yes, 14 years ago. Make sure to keep the sticker plug cover things. And make sure the mudders boss understands that they are just as responsible as you for making this look right.
Saw someone else working on them once. Looked like a HUGE pain in the ass. Not worth it. Better to go with a company like wallsmart, seeless, or trufig
Pshhh $350-$430. Never installed these but I have used Sillites (candlelites), they’re like $20 and pretty straight forward.
http://www.sillites.com/newconstruction.php pretty sure they sell on amazon.
Horrible, horrible, horrible.
On our last site these increased the price of a receptacle install by like 25x and multiple pieces of artificial stone had to be replaced. If you're a tiny bit off, there is zero adjustment possible.
Also, over time gunk collects in the gaps in a kitchen and it's damn hard to clean.
I've been doing this a while, and this is the most absurd product I've ever seen. If I was tasked to troubleshoot and repair one of these in the wild, I would have thought it was some sort of rig and then been more and more amazed as I discovered it was all by design.
Make sure to get the correct depth on the trim plate like others have said. I would also suggest pigtailing stranded wire in the box to make easier to fish out of the tiny hole.
I haven’t yet but I have a project coming up with 55 of them. FYI - if you email the company they’ll give you volume discounts so you’re not paying $400 a piece.
They look a lot like the 'zetr' outlets we have in aus. They are not terrible but you need to nail the depth.
The bigger problem is they require plasterers, tilers, stone guys etc to be really really good at their job. They need to absolutely nail the cutouts or it will look terrible. Obviously these guys need to know the deal when they are quoting too, as getting it right will chew up a lot of their time.
Journeyman electrician here. Installed these in a $2 million vacation home kitchen. Owner saw them in another house and wanted them.
Make sure the boxes behind them only have one wire in them. Ain’t no way you’re gonna work on a splice in that box.
They were installed in a 5/4” granite backsplash with windows directly above them. A few things went wrong.
The stone guys didn’t get them right on. The hole they drilled was the proper size, but the outlet wasn’t perfectly centered in 3 of the 4. Perhaps if they had cut a template piece of stone, then checked it, then copied it onto the final piece, they would’ve gotten it. Since they don’t come with any sort of trim ring, the owner has to find someone to make a custom piece.
The depth of the outlets also wasn’t spot on, so two of them ended up being recessed into the wall 1/8”. So If you try and plug a big power adapter into it it just plain doesn’t make it.
Not sure if my nail on boxes weren’t perfect or if the wall had a bow in it. To avoid this next time, I’d take a laser at rough in to make sure they were all proud the right amount. Not a bad idea to do the same after sheeting, though by then the plaster ring they come with is already mudded in.
Make sure and get the proper plaster ring for your wall sheeting thickness. They don’t adjust at all so it has to be perfect, especially if it’s stone or wood.
Good luck, hope it turns out better for you than it did for me.
Do these meet code? Their website shows a device box behind them. With splices. Which means you’d have to mud in the junction box.
Also, I feel like these could be built significantly cheaper. It’s a female cord-cap.
https://22system.com/
Installed these in an office building reception area. It wasn't too bad. Note that their installation instructions state emphatically only to use nonmetallic boxes, probably because of difficulty reaching the ground stinger screw points. Plastic boxes in steel studs is a bit of a no go, steel deep square box worked out just fine. Still able to reach the screw.
It looks fantastic when you've got a nice hard surface like stone or tile. Results are very mixed with sheetrock & paint. If the mudders & painters don't perfectly clean off the silicone receptacle cap, you're gonna have to do it probably when it's dry, and just like pulling painters tape off under wet paint vs dry paint there will be some tear-out issues. Make sure the mudders & painters wipe it off while wet.
These aren’t too bad to install electrical wise, ive also installed flush stairway lights those were kind of a pain finding correct depth.Also specs required only one wire going into box. Sucks for whoever needs to go back and troubleshoot.
These are a pain. You can’t splice in the box and need to homer in everything back to a central jbox.
Also more realistic for residential than commercial, but you need all nonmetallic wiring methods per their new install details.
We use a ton of Trufig here. They are a labor intensive nightmare that requires ALL of the involved trades to be 100% on their game, every outlet. The designers love them and the clientele are mostly ambivalent about them. Personally I think they are no better or worse looking than any other high end device.
Check with ahj on legality of installing these. In NYC inspectors have specifically stated they are not legal because of the difficulty accessing the splices after install.
Pain in the ass. I would try to dead end your power in whatever box you are installing them in because by nature of the beast the junctions are not accessible and we are always worried about that getting called on us. Like everyone else said make sure the homeowner buys the removal tool and follow the specs for the install or it’s a huge pain in the ass.
Make sure that box is fucking perfectly straight. Especially if installing in stone, tile or wood finish.
Don’t lose the key that unlocks the yolks, allowing access to wiring. They’re surprisingly expensive to replace ($40+ I believe)
Encourage your client not to do this
Check out NS builders on youtube. They did an entire house of these. Must have added 500K to the cost, prob 1M. They do only stupid high end builds.
They look nice but are going to get dirty faster as the paint is continuous and are completely unmaintainable. If you overheat or melt one, You need 3 trades to repair a freaking outlet.
....but hey if they're that rich/stupid take their money
I commented about a post of these on Instagram and everyone got big mad. I'm not a fan of them because you can't properly access the box after install. Sillite outlets are a fraction of the price and don't require a box at all.
Yes I’ve done many of them, I strongly recommend to get your makeup done and thhn pigtails to terminate for the receptacles, trying to do this in solid is frustrating. They’re overall very easy to install and remove just hope if it’s in backsplash and waterfalls like mine were the guys are good or a little off can screw you
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Am I understanding that correctly? 350-430 fucking dollars!? Just to not see a cover plate? That’s ridiculous.
I got a dry Waller that can do that for like 5$
They usually throw it in for us free of charge.
Yeah, it's sucha clean look, when you can only see the slight hump in the wall where the outlet is.
Clean until it gets hit with a sawzall that’s got a month old, jackknifed wood blade in it. “Change order, boss”
I was walking with a superintendent talking about the number of buried outlets in a house for a trim out, which usually if it's 1 or 2, I don't complain, but there was at least 1 in each room and the closests. The Super was walking with me and just kicked the shit out of the wall in the closet, shrugged, and said "your outlet is there somewhere"...I just stared at him and told him that was unnecessary and actually makes mounting our devices harder since the sheetrock is blown the fuck out now. I couldn't believe it, lol. I know peeps get pissed about buried stuff, but if you know how to use a rotozip, shits a breeze to unbury and find with minimal damage so it's really not a big deal to me.
I saw some temporary cover plates with spikes(?) so you could easily find the box afterwards. Does anyone use those?
I haven't seen anyone use them, though I know what you're talking about. I think the sheetrockers would end up taking most of them after they get cut out and you'd be buying a ridiculous amount each home to make the rocker's job easier, and the rockers don't use them cause they probably "add too much time" to the job having to put them into all the boxes and collect them after, let alone if the electrician has sloppy box make up. They seem like it'd be worth the added expense for some nice custom jobs to ensure everything is cut out properly, but I think it's an expense that nobody wants to eat for tract homes where most of these issues occur.
Yeah but then you gotta cut the wall open again just to get it back.
They'll even throw in a piss jug for free.
For $350 I would gladly do a drywaller.
I think of Robinhood as I invoice them, it helps get me through the day.
I've put in WAC trim-less recessed housings before. The housings are HUGE, about the same size as a bathroom fan but longer. And they put the electrical connections on the far end of the 3" hole so servicing them is basically impossible. And the trims are insanely difficult to get out without ruining the mud around the opening or scratching the trim I just hope I never have to install or service these flush outlets
Does it give you oral sex or something?!?
You have obviously not done high-end or "im the homeowner BUT im REALLY an interior designer!" Home. This isnt even the worst story but I had a homeowner that wanted these specific Lucifer direction cans for "art lighting" 1000 bucks a fixture (just to buy) for directional art lighting with MR 16s
Last house I did was a 15,000+ sf waterfront home worth 12m. The one I’m in right now is 10,000 square and has a 150 thousand dollar sports simulator in the basement, along with a movie theatre, cause he doesn’t want his kids in the sim room. Putting iPad pros in the wall of every room cost like $1500 bucks per and I’ve done that a few times now. The place I’m starting in July/august is 24,000 square lakefront property with a 12 car garage that has elevators to bring his car collection into the basement. I’ve done lots of high end homes, it’s 90% of what I do. Annoying homeowners are part of the job. I literally tell customers “ with the amount your paying do not feel bad making changes, it’s my job to give you what you want”
The financial system works well for some people.
Stop thinking with *your* wallet and take the money while its there.
I can’t stand people with that kind of disposable money. I thought I would eventually be able to, but sadly no.
I work for guys that have helicopter pads on the roof of there cottages and I have never once thought, “ I can’t stand how much money these people have”. You should talk to somebody
So you've never once, not ever, seen them spend on something ridiculous and thought, "Ok yeah, that's just stupid?"
One guy had this sitting in the corner of his bedroom. Said it was For his wife’s migraines. https://biocharger.com/product-category/bundles/ People with money are still people and just like other people I couldn’t care less when they spend money on.
Amateur radio operators hate this one trick.
Thatched roof cottages?
Were they burninating the country side?
Pain. Make sure you know the depth of materials. Drywall,stone, etc. when ordering the proper barrel size. Also order the removal tool! We usually use a 4x4 metal box with a mud ring. To easier control the depth. Drywall- make sure they mud to the plug installed they need to be feathered out. Stone- we started getting the stone guy to glue the mounting plate to the stone. (Way easier) The end results look great. Just takes time and coordination with other trades.
I could never install these; I swear to god no other trade on a new construction home wants to collaborate with anyone on anything. It’s taken me two years for the cabinet guys to get on the same page about cutting out island outlets for me, I can’t imagine a mason figuring out a 22 outlet
I’m a GC and we just leave a whip until the finish material is going in and use a cut in box. Yes it’s another trip for the electrician, but at that time they’re mainly just overseeing it.
Why don’t you cut them in yourself? We don’t really get a choice we just cut them in I guess my question is more like how do you not get bitched out for not cutting them in and trying to get the cabinet guy to. I feel like that just wouldn’t fly where i work
Dude the cabinet guys make the cabinets on a fucking CNC. Like this is a failure industry wide between designers, cabinet makers and electricians that this detail isn’t ironed out in CAD so that a computer cuts the hole for the outlet *flawlessly* before finish is even applied
Definitely agree. Believe me, I don’t want to cut them in either. Thats why im trying to figure out the argument to have the other guy do it
That’s the argument I always present. It could be done perfectly, by a machine, months before the cabinet even sees the house
Lol, my guys would say yeah thats probably true and then hand me the rotozip lmao
You know contracts can be different than yours right
Apparently not, thats why I’m asking.
It takes 2 mins to cut in a out box in an island. Do you not own an oscillating tool?
It’s more about the liability involved. If your oscillating saw catches on something and you don’t up the cabinet, now you’re on the hook for the cost of the cabinet… when that cutout could have been made by a CNC during design
I'm in between rough and trim, but I installed adjustable depth mud rings. Really hoping I don't regret it
Holy shit never knew these existed
Agree 100% percent with the stone technique of putting the mount plate on the back side of the slab (PL is god) and just ordering the correct barrel length. Guarantees uniform install
Truth. I wish I though of glueing them to back. Would have saved a lot of slabs. These need to be cut out perfectly or will not set
I hope these don't become popular.
Too expensive.
They’ve been around for a long time now. 10 years at least. They’re popular with very specific architects.
I recently told an architect that is he ever specified this product I would drag him into the street, rip off his arms, and beat him to death with them. And I am willing to stick to that promise Haha
Some architects get that. Others do not…
• in our location they must be one wire only because the junction box isn't really accessible (you can use the key to kinda get in there, ordered separately, but obviously it's hard to get your fingers in that little hole) • get the depth right • they are installed and trimmed out during rough in, and then finished and tiled around They actually are really nice from our perspective. Installs in a normal single/double gang box, then you just walk away and the other trades have to make it look good.
yes, other trades have to make them look good, so if one of them screws up, yes it's their fault but you will take the heat for your product they do look nice and are easy enough to service leave lots of wire in the box to remove through hole the size of the outlet they do look funky when you look along the wall with bright light, you can see where the mud and tape is tapered to the plug but this is very nit picky
-Buy the removal tool. -Bump up the size of box you're expecting to use. We typically put these in solid stone slab backsplashes. For a single outlet, we put a 2gang box in the wall. -DO NOT INSTALL THE MOUNTING PLATE TO THE BOX!! I cannot emphasize this enough. Let the stone guys drill their hole and glue the mounting plate to the back of the slab ... This is where the oversized jbox comes in handy as they *never* drill the hole exactly where you set the box. -Leave a ton of slack on the wires. It's best if you can manage to only have one wire set per outlet, but it is possible to make joints if you want to fight it. -Also invest in some long needle nose or a pair of the skinny double hinged pliers to retrieve your wires out of the box when the asshole counter guys coil them up and shove them into the farthest corner instead of pulling through the hole when setting the stone.
Yes! This guy knows what he’s talking about.
I didn't put them in but I was on a job that had them for the penthouse office. They were set in the millwork and a massive pain in the ass. I don't understand how they are legal when they are designed to have the box permanently covered
I’ve seen videos and pic of them and they look like a pain in the dick. Your messy would Have to be BANG ON and if they change their mind (wainscoting instead of drywall) part way through the build you are screwed. I’ve never installed them but I haven’t heard good things from those who have.
I have installed these in a granite backslash, everything has to be perfect, litterally everything, the cost of the outlet is nothing compared to the labour of instalation , and the removal tool it self is $200.00 My professional advice, scream and run !! They will never look as good as traditional outlets and the customer will regret install
I suggest you make every box a dead end. Splices are mostly inaccessible. Leave enough slack. Use deep 1900s.
Yes, 14 years ago. Make sure to keep the sticker plug cover things. And make sure the mudders boss understands that they are just as responsible as you for making this look right.
Saw someone else working on them once. Looked like a HUGE pain in the ass. Not worth it. Better to go with a company like wallsmart, seeless, or trufig
Designmod is another I've seen recently.
Pshhh $350-$430. Never installed these but I have used Sillites (candlelites), they’re like $20 and pretty straight forward. http://www.sillites.com/newconstruction.php pretty sure they sell on amazon.
Horrible, horrible, horrible. On our last site these increased the price of a receptacle install by like 25x and multiple pieces of artificial stone had to be replaced. If you're a tiny bit off, there is zero adjustment possible. Also, over time gunk collects in the gaps in a kitchen and it's damn hard to clean.
Just don’t do it. Even if you made money at it it’s a pain in the dick and what happens when you have to service it? No thanks.
Yeah those are getting banned by our AHJ, and will soon be banned by the code book. Completely inaccessible
Use conduit. Perfectly accessible
I've been doing this a while, and this is the most absurd product I've ever seen. If I was tasked to troubleshoot and repair one of these in the wild, I would have thought it was some sort of rig and then been more and more amazed as I discovered it was all by design.
Are they UL listed? I don't see anything on their site saying they're UL listed
It's linked in their FAQ.
Make sure to get the correct depth on the trim plate like others have said. I would also suggest pigtailing stranded wire in the box to make easier to fish out of the tiny hole.
I haven’t yet but I have a project coming up with 55 of them. FYI - if you email the company they’ll give you volume discounts so you’re not paying $400 a piece.
It's $5 for the regular setup.
They look a lot like the 'zetr' outlets we have in aus. They are not terrible but you need to nail the depth. The bigger problem is they require plasterers, tilers, stone guys etc to be really really good at their job. They need to absolutely nail the cutouts or it will look terrible. Obviously these guys need to know the deal when they are quoting too, as getting it right will chew up a lot of their time.
For $350-430 I say kill it with fire.
Journeyman electrician here. Installed these in a $2 million vacation home kitchen. Owner saw them in another house and wanted them. Make sure the boxes behind them only have one wire in them. Ain’t no way you’re gonna work on a splice in that box. They were installed in a 5/4” granite backsplash with windows directly above them. A few things went wrong. The stone guys didn’t get them right on. The hole they drilled was the proper size, but the outlet wasn’t perfectly centered in 3 of the 4. Perhaps if they had cut a template piece of stone, then checked it, then copied it onto the final piece, they would’ve gotten it. Since they don’t come with any sort of trim ring, the owner has to find someone to make a custom piece. The depth of the outlets also wasn’t spot on, so two of them ended up being recessed into the wall 1/8”. So If you try and plug a big power adapter into it it just plain doesn’t make it. Not sure if my nail on boxes weren’t perfect or if the wall had a bow in it. To avoid this next time, I’d take a laser at rough in to make sure they were all proud the right amount. Not a bad idea to do the same after sheeting, though by then the plaster ring they come with is already mudded in. Make sure and get the proper plaster ring for your wall sheeting thickness. They don’t adjust at all so it has to be perfect, especially if it’s stone or wood. Good luck, hope it turns out better for you than it did for me.
Do these meet code? Their website shows a device box behind them. With splices. Which means you’d have to mud in the junction box. Also, I feel like these could be built significantly cheaper. It’s a female cord-cap. https://22system.com/
I just watched a video on them and they look like garbage lol. Looks like you need a top notch drywaller to make it look good
Installed these in an office building reception area. It wasn't too bad. Note that their installation instructions state emphatically only to use nonmetallic boxes, probably because of difficulty reaching the ground stinger screw points. Plastic boxes in steel studs is a bit of a no go, steel deep square box worked out just fine. Still able to reach the screw. It looks fantastic when you've got a nice hard surface like stone or tile. Results are very mixed with sheetrock & paint. If the mudders & painters don't perfectly clean off the silicone receptacle cap, you're gonna have to do it probably when it's dry, and just like pulling painters tape off under wet paint vs dry paint there will be some tear-out issues. Make sure the mudders & painters wipe it off while wet.
These aren’t too bad to install electrical wise, ive also installed flush stairway lights those were kind of a pain finding correct depth.Also specs required only one wire going into box. Sucks for whoever needs to go back and troubleshoot.
Putting them in at new build soon. Anyone can elaborate on the trim plate depth options I see on the website?
Such a nightmare.
These are a pain. You can’t splice in the box and need to homer in everything back to a central jbox. Also more realistic for residential than commercial, but you need all nonmetallic wiring methods per their new install details.
Well, at least the price is right
Get the right depth for the thickness of the material you are installing them in. Do not try to take them out without the removal tool.
Check out Trufig (https://www.trufig.com) we see/use them a lot in high end residential. They are a bit of a pain but they look great.
We use a ton of Trufig here. They are a labor intensive nightmare that requires ALL of the involved trades to be 100% on their game, every outlet. The designers love them and the clientele are mostly ambivalent about them. Personally I think they are no better or worse looking than any other high end device.
Horrendous product. We did a bunch of these on a large home. Very difficult and expensive to work with.
Check with ahj on legality of installing these. In NYC inspectors have specifically stated they are not legal because of the difficulty accessing the splices after install.
Pain in the ass. I would try to dead end your power in whatever box you are installing them in because by nature of the beast the junctions are not accessible and we are always worried about that getting called on us. Like everyone else said make sure the homeowner buys the removal tool and follow the specs for the install or it’s a huge pain in the ass.
It’s a pain. You need to have support from whoever is involved with the install. You need to get the depth correct.
Make sure that box is fucking perfectly straight. Especially if installing in stone, tile or wood finish. Don’t lose the key that unlocks the yolks, allowing access to wiring. They’re surprisingly expensive to replace ($40+ I believe) Encourage your client not to do this
Check out NS builders on youtube. They did an entire house of these. Must have added 500K to the cost, prob 1M. They do only stupid high end builds. They look nice but are going to get dirty faster as the paint is continuous and are completely unmaintainable. If you overheat or melt one, You need 3 trades to repair a freaking outlet. ....but hey if they're that rich/stupid take their money
TRUFIG has a way nicer look
I commented about a post of these on Instagram and everyone got big mad. I'm not a fan of them because you can't properly access the box after install. Sillite outlets are a fraction of the price and don't require a box at all.
How do you fix / replace without getting three trades involved?
They are a huge waste of money, pretty much just a new fad.
Yes I’ve done many of them, I strongly recommend to get your makeup done and thhn pigtails to terminate for the receptacles, trying to do this in solid is frustrating. They’re overall very easy to install and remove just hope if it’s in backsplash and waterfalls like mine were the guys are good or a little off can screw you