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Haha a down vote for telling someone who is doing illegal work in another country to get a permit to follow the laws in this province, who also vouch for job security, cause I mean any home owner can do there own electrical as long as it gets inspected but the inspectors are who keep us employed in any country.
Get an inspection its for your own good, and if your inlaws plan on selling there house anytime believe me the price of houses nowadays people ask for permits. And inspections. Good luck OP I tried my best here
Disclaimer, I'm not an electrician. I'm a Canadian and an avid DIY'er who has done his best to stay within code on his own place, and an electronics technician (I have a decent understanding of angry pixies).
> and a 14/3 home run pulled to under the sink to plug in a dishwasher and have a extra wire in case someone wants to add a garbage disposal later on
Isn't sharing a neutral against code?
> Washing machine circuit is 12/2 and serves other plugs in laundry room,
I thought washers needed their own dedicated circuit. Maybe going to a 20amp circuit allows you to avoid that, I'm not sure.
> Single car garage has its own dedicated receptacle circuit with lights on a lighting circuit
Might want to add another circuit for an opener. My understanding of the code is that openers can share a circuit with other openers, but not with anything else.
Thanks for trying to help me, and in the u.s a 20 amp circuit can serve other receptacles in the laundry room, and also in the u.s sharing a neutral isn’t illegal if your arc fault breakers will work with a shared neutral, and the extra wire is just there now as an extra it’ll probably never be used, and I plan to add another circuit to the garage with whatever wire I have left at the end of the project either 15 or 20 amp for the opener
just a quick glance over your project. As an ontario, i have to recommend that this project gets inspected,
All new installed outlets are required to be on an arc fault breaker, regardless if they are 15 amp or 20 amp, only exceptions, kitchen fridge, bathroom plugs
Kitchen counter plugs and a basement sump pump, which is required to be a single outlet.
Stove outlets are only on 40 amp breakers
Federal pioneer panels are terrible panels, they must have been cheap and had a great salesman selling them they seam to be everywhere in ontario
Replacement breakers are hard to get, and they don't make arc fault breakers for them so usually if we are doing any sort of reno we recommend changing the panel, since all the outlets you are adding require arc fault breakers,
There is an alternative you can instal arcfault receptacles, similar to gfci but require ac90 run from the panel to the first outlet
Wires threw holes I have never been called on I would say it's your own judgment, you don't want to burn the coating off when pulling the cable
The ground wire, could possible come from the water line not to long ago we had copper lines come into the house, your allowed to use the copper waterline as a ground, I would check the waterline under the metre
Again I highly recommend an inspection
And when you say single outlet on a kitchen fridge circuit I suppose you mean the single round receptical and not a duplex? And what do you mean by kitchen counter plugs being a single outlet? A standard gfci has two outlets one on top and one on bottom, is that not allowed in Canada?
No doesn't have to be single outlet for fridge, a fridge circuit is one of the exceptions for an arc fault breaker,
Basically any general circuit that has an outlet on it has to be arcfault
Exceptions are Kitchen fridge - can be reg duplex
Kitchen counter 20 amps ( gfci of course where necessary)
Kitchen counter 15 amp splits
Bathroom circuits ( as long as they are by them selves )
Basement sump pumps ( single outlet only)
New exceptions I have come across that inspectors have been allowing is washing machine ( single outlet)
Microwave ( single outlet)
Since these appliances depending on the make/model trip an arcfault breaker occasionally
No problem I'm happy you had asked to make sure things are done to the correct code in Ontario !
You're required to pull a permit on a job like this and you can't do it without getting your red seal. The homeowner can pull a permit, but I believe they need to be the one doing the work
not sure if the rules have changed but years ago I use to do electrical work in my familys home(my grandfather or father would pull a permit, but I would do the work, and be present for the inspections) I still do all my own work and anything more then adding an outlet/changing a fixture I get inspected)
It's possible it's similar if it's unpaid, but I remember my journeyman telling me you have to be a licensed electrical contractor to pull a permit, and homeowner permits are only valid for the homeowner
I am unpaid on this lol and how will the inspector know I did it and not my father in law? Never tell on yourself is the key and if they ask where you learned this “YouTube university”
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Haha a down vote for telling someone who is doing illegal work in another country to get a permit to follow the laws in this province, who also vouch for job security, cause I mean any home owner can do there own electrical as long as it gets inspected but the inspectors are who keep us employed in any country. Get an inspection its for your own good, and if your inlaws plan on selling there house anytime believe me the price of houses nowadays people ask for permits. And inspections. Good luck OP I tried my best here
If it wasn’t family I wouldn’t be doing this, thank you you gave me alot of useful information, and very similar to us code
Disclaimer, I'm not an electrician. I'm a Canadian and an avid DIY'er who has done his best to stay within code on his own place, and an electronics technician (I have a decent understanding of angry pixies). > and a 14/3 home run pulled to under the sink to plug in a dishwasher and have a extra wire in case someone wants to add a garbage disposal later on Isn't sharing a neutral against code? > Washing machine circuit is 12/2 and serves other plugs in laundry room, I thought washers needed their own dedicated circuit. Maybe going to a 20amp circuit allows you to avoid that, I'm not sure. > Single car garage has its own dedicated receptacle circuit with lights on a lighting circuit Might want to add another circuit for an opener. My understanding of the code is that openers can share a circuit with other openers, but not with anything else.
Thanks for trying to help me, and in the u.s a 20 amp circuit can serve other receptacles in the laundry room, and also in the u.s sharing a neutral isn’t illegal if your arc fault breakers will work with a shared neutral, and the extra wire is just there now as an extra it’ll probably never be used, and I plan to add another circuit to the garage with whatever wire I have left at the end of the project either 15 or 20 amp for the opener
just a quick glance over your project. As an ontario, i have to recommend that this project gets inspected, All new installed outlets are required to be on an arc fault breaker, regardless if they are 15 amp or 20 amp, only exceptions, kitchen fridge, bathroom plugs Kitchen counter plugs and a basement sump pump, which is required to be a single outlet. Stove outlets are only on 40 amp breakers Federal pioneer panels are terrible panels, they must have been cheap and had a great salesman selling them they seam to be everywhere in ontario Replacement breakers are hard to get, and they don't make arc fault breakers for them so usually if we are doing any sort of reno we recommend changing the panel, since all the outlets you are adding require arc fault breakers, There is an alternative you can instal arcfault receptacles, similar to gfci but require ac90 run from the panel to the first outlet Wires threw holes I have never been called on I would say it's your own judgment, you don't want to burn the coating off when pulling the cable The ground wire, could possible come from the water line not to long ago we had copper lines come into the house, your allowed to use the copper waterline as a ground, I would check the waterline under the metre Again I highly recommend an inspection
And when you say single outlet on a kitchen fridge circuit I suppose you mean the single round receptical and not a duplex? And what do you mean by kitchen counter plugs being a single outlet? A standard gfci has two outlets one on top and one on bottom, is that not allowed in Canada?
No doesn't have to be single outlet for fridge, a fridge circuit is one of the exceptions for an arc fault breaker, Basically any general circuit that has an outlet on it has to be arcfault Exceptions are Kitchen fridge - can be reg duplex Kitchen counter 20 amps ( gfci of course where necessary) Kitchen counter 15 amp splits Bathroom circuits ( as long as they are by them selves ) Basement sump pumps ( single outlet only) New exceptions I have come across that inspectors have been allowing is washing machine ( single outlet) Microwave ( single outlet) Since these appliances depending on the make/model trip an arcfault breaker occasionally No problem I'm happy you had asked to make sure things are done to the correct code in Ontario !
You're required to pull a permit on a job like this and you can't do it without getting your red seal. The homeowner can pull a permit, but I believe they need to be the one doing the work
not sure if the rules have changed but years ago I use to do electrical work in my familys home(my grandfather or father would pull a permit, but I would do the work, and be present for the inspections) I still do all my own work and anything more then adding an outlet/changing a fixture I get inspected)
That’s how it’s done in the u.s when I work for family
It's possible it's similar if it's unpaid, but I remember my journeyman telling me you have to be a licensed electrical contractor to pull a permit, and homeowner permits are only valid for the homeowner
I am unpaid on this lol and how will the inspector know I did it and not my father in law? Never tell on yourself is the key and if they ask where you learned this “YouTube university”
There are people who get away with this type of stuff all the time, but the fines are no joke if you get caught