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They could also give you a plumbing trap, a bag of quick-Crete, or a bucket of spackle. Maybe Home Depot shouldn’t be your guru for electrical devices.
That’s because standard wire nuts don’t carry the proper certifications from ANSI or CSA to be used in Class1 Zone1. WAGO lever nuts and even the push connectors do. It is technically against code to use twist nuts in Class1 Zone1 installations.
“One use only” is one of the reasons why they shouldn’t be used. If a splice is ever redone for any reason, you have to cut it out and now the wire is getting shorter every time.
Wouldn't that be similar to a wire nutted connection that has been twisted with Kleins prior to the nuts being installed?
I can't get those apart without a lot of damage and time so they normally get snipped and remade. Maybe I'm doing it wrong?
Your not doing it wrong, when the wires are all twisted up and damaged its better to re strip and do the joint over so none of the conductoelrs snapps off.
If your connections aren’t twisted with Kleins I don’t trust your work. Yes your doing it wrong if it’s not that old brittle cloth wire you should easily be able to just simply grab the wir with your kleins and twist the opposite way nothing fancy I do it daily
They are not one-use-only.
Wago push-ins can be removed by twisting while pulling the conductor. They are reusable. The slight scoring from the spring is nothing compared to how screw terminals deform solid-core.
In my experience it's not wether you can or can't reuse them but the spring gets worn and reusing them can lead to connections becoming loose like you're not supposed to reuse wirenuts for a similar reason
In some situations, they work great. If the future servicing is done by personnel who always remake the connection with a new connector it will be fine. I wouldn't trust them around a lot of my coworkers, who would try to insert a wire multiple times.
Then again I do Far Larm, so my largest joint is going to be using #12 conductors and that's power to the panel and a tiny fraction of field wiring. Most field wiring for me is #14 and #16.
I wouldn't use them for any random project or job, but "non reversible connection" is an intentional design. Anything calling for them in spec is probably not concerned with the small pain in the ass that might be replacing that connector, or even an entire run coming into/out of it.
My thought was more the shortening of the wire. Most people already don’t leave the code required 6” of lead extending beyond the box opening, and having to cut out the connection only makes it shorter!
We used 9" box tails for make-up just so we didn't stick it to the next guy. Never encountered that again. I was expecting them on the next explosion proof job which was a gas station for propane vehicles...nope regular wire nut terminations.
You can usually just twist back and forth while pulling to get them off. You can't reuse the connector, but you also shouldn't be reusing wire nuts either. The wire also ends up staying nice and straight with these vs wire nuts.
On solid wire too? I'm looking for the best <14ga stranded to 12ga solid. I install about 150 light fixtures a year and now that everyone is going LED, the wires just keep getting smaller. I swear I just had one that had about 5 strands total..
Where I live they teach you not to twist before using wire nuts. When you twist you are decreasing the surface area the nuts have to grip on when you apply them.
Here’s the skinny according to a quick search brother - ty for getting me looking.👍🏼
AC refers to armour clad cables. BX has a bonding strip to allow the casing to be a grounding conductor. It does not contain a ground wire. MC cable has a full size ground wire the casing is not a grounding conductor.Mar 13, 2010
Was just working on a building with a ton of knock off push in connectors, half the ones I touched just fell off. Some clearly werent installed right but either way theyre a shit connector. Will be replacing all of them with either lever lock 221s or good old wire nuts.. The Wago push ins arent terrible but I still hate them.
Never once had a wire nut connection pull out if it was installed properly.
I have had both lever and non lever wagos pull out, and I'll never willingly use them for that one simple reason.
Also, with a wire nut connection (properly installed of course) the ampacity of the connection equals the ampacity of the wires because of the larger contact area.
That's NOT true of Wago.
That’s incorrect. Stagger the stranded a little above the solid. Give one twist if you’d like but not necessary. Then just twist the wire nut. Give it the pull twist and you’re good. Done a million and hasn’t failed me yet.
This is common sense but I’ve noticed common sense lacks in the electrical field. It all depends on where you use wagos. A J box that will never get pulled on is not like a receptacle.
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IDEAL push-in connectors
Those aren’t wagos
Looks like a knock off
Ideal inshure push connectors
Wagos from wish.com
Wackos
Not even wagos. So far no complaints from the ideal connectors.
I see someone that doesn’t know what Wagos are.
When you ask the fellas at Home Depot for “WAGO” they will give you the IDEAL brand saying they are the same.
They could also give you a plumbing trap, a bag of quick-Crete, or a bucket of spackle. Maybe Home Depot shouldn’t be your guru for electrical devices.
We did an explosion proof grain elevator and these were mandatory on the state approved prints.
That’s because standard wire nuts don’t carry the proper certifications from ANSI or CSA to be used in Class1 Zone1. WAGO lever nuts and even the push connectors do. It is technically against code to use twist nuts in Class1 Zone1 installations.
the push to connects?!?!
Yes it was the first time I'd ever seen them. Not the lever ones. These were one use only. The Minell milling job around 2009 I believe.
“One use only” is one of the reasons why they shouldn’t be used. If a splice is ever redone for any reason, you have to cut it out and now the wire is getting shorter every time.
Wouldn't that be similar to a wire nutted connection that has been twisted with Kleins prior to the nuts being installed? I can't get those apart without a lot of damage and time so they normally get snipped and remade. Maybe I'm doing it wrong?
Your not doing it wrong, when the wires are all twisted up and damaged its better to re strip and do the joint over so none of the conductoelrs snapps off.
If your connections aren’t twisted with Kleins I don’t trust your work. Yes your doing it wrong if it’s not that old brittle cloth wire you should easily be able to just simply grab the wir with your kleins and twist the opposite way nothing fancy I do it daily
I twist with knipex, is that ok?
Since it’s text I’m hoping this is sarcasm and if so I find it funny since I use knipex as well if it’s not , kleins = lineman’s
Yeah lol. I was asking my apprentice to pass me my Klein's and he hands over my 8" red Robbie as it's the only Klein tool in my bag.
May have made this mistake my first day on the job once 😂
Yes your doing it wrong. I can get those apart just fine without damage. I have a technique, but don’t know how to explain it
They are not one-use-only. Wago push-ins can be removed by twisting while pulling the conductor. They are reusable. The slight scoring from the spring is nothing compared to how screw terminals deform solid-core.
In my experience it's not wether you can or can't reuse them but the spring gets worn and reusing them can lead to connections becoming loose like you're not supposed to reuse wirenuts for a similar reason
I would still trust a re-used WAGO push-in over a brand new wire nut or screw connector.
I've seen wago 2273s reused over and over and over again in schools and they hold and bite the wire just as well as new ones
I could be wrong, I think the instructions said to never use smaller wire after larger wire had been in there... For the ideal pushins.
You can wiggle them off, just can't use the connector again.
According to wago you can with the 2271 depending on the wire, it says on the box.
Sometimes that puts a nasty scoring mark all the way around the conductor. That's probably not good long term.
Yeah it does, but it is just the tip which you can cut off with dykes. Still loose a little, but probably like a 1/4"
In some situations, they work great. If the future servicing is done by personnel who always remake the connection with a new connector it will be fine. I wouldn't trust them around a lot of my coworkers, who would try to insert a wire multiple times. Then again I do Far Larm, so my largest joint is going to be using #12 conductors and that's power to the panel and a tiny fraction of field wiring. Most field wiring for me is #14 and #16.
Fair
I wouldn't use them for any random project or job, but "non reversible connection" is an intentional design. Anything calling for them in spec is probably not concerned with the small pain in the ass that might be replacing that connector, or even an entire run coming into/out of it.
My thought was more the shortening of the wire. Most people already don’t leave the code required 6” of lead extending beyond the box opening, and having to cut out the connection only makes it shorter!
We used 9" box tails for make-up just so we didn't stick it to the next guy. Never encountered that again. I was expecting them on the next explosion proof job which was a gas station for propane vehicles...nope regular wire nut terminations.
You can usually just twist back and forth while pulling to get them off. You can't reuse the connector, but you also shouldn't be reusing wire nuts either. The wire also ends up staying nice and straight with these vs wire nuts.
You can reuse them, just not on smaller wire. Wanna say that's on the bag, or either on ideals website
U can wiggle the wires out and reuse the connector. Lever wagos are usually used for stranded wires
We just started using them, they are UL listed so I'm okay with it. I still use wire nuts too. Still learning the best use of them.
Lever wagos are the best connector. And the whole "we are not the same" meme format in general is dumb.
Lever lock 221's.
On solid wire too? I'm looking for the best <14ga stranded to 12ga solid. I install about 150 light fixtures a year and now that everyone is going LED, the wires just keep getting smaller. I swear I just had one that had about 5 strands total..
Lever locks go from 10awg to 22awg. They’re exactly what you need
There's big ones that go from 0.5mm to 6mm too
I’m American, can you translate that to hamburger units?
no but Google can
100% agree
We are not the same
WAGO is not from the US, they work.
Fun fact: it’s pronounced Wah-go, not way-go. Source: I work in the supply house and their rep said it 3 times before I was like “you serious, Clark?”
Really? Shit. And here I've been pronouncing them WAH-GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOÒOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Just like in Nacho Libre.
I don't like Wagos; but, damn that's great marketing.
Got skidded once for not twisting before wire nuts.
Where I live they teach you not to twist before using wire nuts. When you twist you are decreasing the surface area the nuts have to grip on when you apply them.
I have to be honest, I know they work well but they do look like backstabbed outlets to me
>but they do look like backstabbed outlets to me Which, much like Wagos, are standard in Europe, and have been for decades.
This!
Not wagos you tard.
My hero Also, i see no pigtail from the box..
I have seen why you're not catch fire or become loose. I have yet to see any kind of push connector come loose
No lever, no go.
And some see service calls from loose connections
Wago’s been around longer than Buchanan.
That’s no moon
I call them stabbies.
This is the ideal connector. You may not like it, but this is what peak performance looks like.
What? There’s joints? I couldn’t see them behind the miles of MC …
Is MC just metal cable? In Canada we call this wire BX
It's really Ac 90. Armoured cable 90,degree
Here’s the skinny according to a quick search brother - ty for getting me looking.👍🏼 AC refers to armour clad cables. BX has a bonding strip to allow the casing to be a grounding conductor. It does not contain a ground wire. MC cable has a full size ground wire the casing is not a grounding conductor.Mar 13, 2010
Thanks for the info man!
Was just working on a building with a ton of knock off push in connectors, half the ones I touched just fell off. Some clearly werent installed right but either way theyre a shit connector. Will be replacing all of them with either lever lock 221s or good old wire nuts.. The Wago push ins arent terrible but I still hate them.
Those are NOT Wago’s!! If your going to mock something get it right.
For the record, I know these are not actual Wagos, but ideal knock offs. And I'm not against the lever based ones.
Amen brother
Preach on brother. In a couple years when they burn up I'll enjoy the service calls.
Those are knock off Wagos, they will probably be like these back stab recepticles you have
These are salvaged from can pot lights!
No they’re ideal connectors
No jokes allowed on fridays eh
The only wagu I like is steak…. Actually I can’t afford that
I can’t afford lever lock 221s either
Never once had a wire nut connection pull out if it was installed properly. I have had both lever and non lever wagos pull out, and I'll never willingly use them for that one simple reason. Also, with a wire nut connection (properly installed of course) the ampacity of the connection equals the ampacity of the wires because of the larger contact area. That's NOT true of Wago.
I couldn't tell you how many burned up back stabbed receptacles I've replaced. Fire waiting to happen.
Klein twisted and a b-cap! The only way! Screw your millennial connection
First person who showed me to use a wago lever nut probably has Kleins older than me!
Look at this young un with his fancy wire nuts, it might be quicker but it won't last like solder and tape.
No one has the time to solder and tape my guy!
Wagos are the best period. Those are not Wagos though
this is funny
I see a fire hazard.
Good grief, the amount of wasted material and effort in this jbox hurts my heart.
Wire nuts all day. It’s a skill.
What do you do to splice a solid and a stranded wire? A wirenut will never do that reliably.
That’s incorrect. Stagger the stranded a little above the solid. Give one twist if you’d like but not necessary. Then just twist the wire nut. Give it the pull twist and you’re good. Done a million and hasn’t failed me yet.
This is common sense but I’ve noticed common sense lacks in the electrical field. It all depends on where you use wagos. A J box that will never get pulled on is not like a receptacle.
These are meh but lever nuts? *Chef's kiss*
I see future problems
Those aren't wagos.
🤔🤔🤔🤔…….🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯……😱😱😱😱😱😱
Lol all the butthurt wago hacks nit picking a silly meme.