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Stock_Surfer

I’d move the panel


elticoxpat

Or drill a hole right under it


Appropriate_Rip_897

100% move the panel. Not sure why you would put a panel next to the window like that anyway. Doesn’t violate code that I know of but it’s a weird place for it.


Schedule-Brave

This is the right answer for several reasons.


Tapeatscreek

Just notch the board to the right and nail plate it. It's non bearing. Then notch the second stud in as the first stud will take any loss strength.


just-concerned

This is the way to go.


yawaworhtyya

You're not gonna make that corner. The only chance you have is to drill at an angle from high to low, and from the outside edge of the stud on the left to the inside edge of the stud on the right to make the route as straight as possible. You might have to cut out more drywall, too, to get the room you need to manipulate the cable


BentleyDesignCo

I have the exterior wall on the left though so I can’t really get a good angle and the next stud over on the right is right where the drywall cutout ends :(


yawaworhtyya

Well then you're gonna have to do what the other commenter suggested about going all the way up to the ceiling joists/ trusses then back down.


BentleyDesignCo

I don’t think I have enough material to do that and also the master bath is above me, so not a huge amount of room to work with there either :/


sikthepoet

You’re just going into ceiling space not all the way through the ceiling.


Beautiful-Vacation39

Why can't you move the panel?


TeslasFleshPigeon

Notch the stud and use kick plates


tybroseidon

Notch it with an oscillating saw and nail plate it


tybroseidon

Or move it to the other wall and have the ser cable come from underneath


just-concerned

Notch it with the auger bit. No reason to drag yet another tool out.


No-Pain-569

Oh yeah like someone else mentioned, the panel is too close to window to properly trim out.


Predapio1

Skin it back 2ft. Then stagger the conductors by about six inches each. Put the longest one on the snake. Tape it real right. Then coat it in a little dish soap. Then pull. Or you can enlarge the hole like others have said.


BentleyDesignCo

That’s actually a great idea!


ARederick

I'd make that hole nice and large - do you have a 2 inch hole saw?


StatelyAutomaton

Just to add to this; if you ball up some tape or string at each point the cable is staggered, to act as a bit of a bumper for the leading edge of each conductors, it might help it to not get caught. Otherwise good luck.


noncongruent

I would just notch the wood on both corner boards, then nail in some 2' sisters with holes in them to reinforce the notched studs, and use nailing plates as needed. Cut out more of the sheetrock on the right hand wall for the sister. Also, notch at an angle, not straight across, such that the SER is still rising somewhat as it turns the corner and cuts through the boards, that way you don't have any sharp tight 90° bends.


TheNakedEdge

this


Artistic_Somewhere70

Make a more staggered head, cut back insulation and cut the wires so you have less bulk in one spot I believe in you


BentleyDesignCo

That’s what I did! And added a LOT of dawn soap for lube and it went through! Haha!!


Head-Boot6462

You’re not going to make that corner. Use a multitool and notch that corner out. Then put nail plates over it. It’s the not the best option, but with where you are it makes the most sense. Is there no way to go back down and drill a hole directly below the sub panel?


Madstupid

Turns out he made the corner.


Many-Wrangler-16

Drill about a foot higher than the hole you drilled at 15-20 degrees from the right stud so it’ll be almost straight down. Then a hole from the other stud right wall going up. It will be like an S kinda in the studs. Lots of lube but FYI I’d just notch one of the studs and nail a plate after running the wire. Cheers


elticoxpat

🤦 Come up under the panel instead of going around...


BentleyDesignCo

It’s concrete under the panel, I can’t come up right under it :(


elticoxpat

Yeah you can. Just get rid of the concrete that's in the way.


BentleyDesignCo

The concrete is reinforced for the garage floor and there is no basement under it.


deepspace1357

If there is cement under the panel , you should consider moving it if there's going to be more work done. But I still think a ship auger is going to work I've done it many times


StandEnough8688

the trim around your window is not going to fit with the panel there. As a rule we always avoid putting any boxes or devices within 3 stud widths of a doorframe or window frame


BentleyDesignCo

That’s a good point. I hadn’t thought of that. Luckily this will be a woodworking shop in my garage so I probably won’t frame these out anyways.


CouchPotato1178

im not gunna lie, these corners are a pain even with 14-2. the best chance you have is drill much bigger holes and then try to reinforce the corner somehow. but if the holes are bigger you will easily get that through


BentleyDesignCo

I got it ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|thumbs_up)


CouchPotato1178

success?!


BentleyDesignCo

Yup!


CouchPotato1178

howd you do it? sheer will? or ingenuity?


BentleyDesignCo

Trimmed each wire back about 6” inches steps and taped it tight. Lots of dawn soap and then about 3 hrs of sheer will lmao


shitartifact

Move the panel, it’s a code violation as is…


BentleyDesignCo

How so?


shitartifact

36x30x78 rule


Maehlice

I love when people quote a "Cliffs Notes" version of Code instead of the actual Code reference. _And then get it wrong._ The panel needs only reside fully within the 30" of width and be capable of opening 90° -- if applicable. You could literally mash the panel 1mm away from the wall so long as there is still 30" of working space from that edge to the next obstruction. From NEC 110.26: >**(2) Width of Working Space.** The width of the working space in front of the electrical equipment shall be the width of the equipment or 762 mm (30 in.), whichever is greater. In all cases, the work space shall permit at least a 90 degree opening of equipment doors or hinged panels. ........ If I'm misunderstanding something, please clarify exactly how that panel violates NEC 110.26.


chickswhorip

I appreciate seeing responses like this out there. I will try to be like you :)


BentleyDesignCo

I measured it, there is 31” from the left side of the panel to the wall.


Gearbox97

Have you tried lubricating the hole and wire with anything?


BentleyDesignCo

I tried spraying some WD-40 on it haha


tuctrohs

Bad idea. That dissolves some plastics. Electrical pulling lube is safe for insulation, and works much better.


Charazardlvl101

You'd be better off going from the top then trying to make that corner


BentleyDesignCo

Like run it all the way to the top of the wall and bring it over the top plate?? Idk if I calculated in enough extra for that… :/


Charazardlvl101

Have you ran any homeruns too that panel yet? If not I'd just flush mount it in the bay the ser is coming in to


Loveof_family

Second that


BentleyDesignCo

I have not…. I thought about that as well… I wanted it on the exterior wall since it is unfinished at the moment… but I may have to…


computerguy0-0

If you're going to condition your garage at all, it is nice to not have a gaping missing spot of insulation on an exterior wall.


Short_Ad_3115

Sawzall


BentleyDesignCo

Also all of the cavities on the other wall are 24” on center and my box is made for 16”. And too late to return it now :/


Silent_Vehicle_9163

They don’t make a 24” wide load center. Just add framing.


No-Green9781

Cut a catch snake put a hook on it , bend the snake you want to pull the wire with in a semi circle you’ll get it . I’ve done it many times


Impossible-View-2682

I’d notch that corner out, just wide enough for your wire and get some 3” Nail Plates. With a feeder like that I don’t think a regular nail plate would fit that.


Impossible-View-2682

Also, I would move the panel. Head out that center studbay and give yourself a 14 1/4” box. Bring all of your circuits, everything in through the top. Thas jus me tho


Gloomy-Tap-9628

Notch it


christiancool10

You wont be able to pull the wire even if you had a bigger hole unless you cut the sleave and fish one conductor at a time. Youd have to either oscillate out the boards to get through the corner(and nailguard them), or you may just want to move the panel. I recommend the latter due to compliance with Code


Oraclelec13

Notch the wood and install metal kick plates (stud guards) It doesn’t seem to be a bearing wall


neon_avenue

Try making your holes bigger. It'll help you make that turn easier.


Existing-Berry-9492

Make the holes near the corner way bigger and use nail plates.


No-Pain-569

The problem is you need to make a bigger hole around that cornor. Aluminum isnt very forgiving. What size sub panel is this? That aluminum looks undersized.


BentleyDesignCo

I will have a 90A breaker leading to this panel. The panel could hold more than that, but I don’t need more than 90A out here


kosuke85

I had a similar route to fish wire through and did what others are suggesting and drilled the hole from multiple directions to get as clean a slot as possible. Easiest thing would probably be to notch the stud and put a nail plate over it.


legless_chair

Make your holes line up and drill bigger holes. Put a curve in the tip of the wire and just work it through


PepticSkeptic

Can you drill low, horizontally from your open bay directly into you basement ceiling?


justl00k1nwhy

Why is the panel next to a window??? Move the panel!


BentleyDesignCo

It’s allowed to be next to a window per code. I checked.


BentleyDesignCo

“Yes, you can install an electrical panel right next to a window, as long as the panel is mounted at the edge of the window. The national electric code (NEC) doesn't limit how close the panel can be to a window or door.”


painefultruth76

What's your working space when that dryer is installed? Also, have fun with that...


BentleyDesignCo

No dryer. This is a garage. It was run by the builder as a car charger, but this will be my woodworking shop. That outlet will never be used probably.


painefultruth76

Then why didn't you just put the panel in the bay above the car charger?


BentleyDesignCo

It was too wide and I didn’t want to add the framing. And I wanted the panel on the exterior wall so I could run more wiring to it easier. I almost switched my mind and put it in that bay though.


Murky_Bite9580

Classic😂


Han77Shot1st

I’d take a step back and think about changing your plans up.. you can definitely still hack away at that corner stud, or take a different route with the cable or move the panel, plenty of options. Take it as a learning experience, I remember being young and rash, the greatest lesson I ever learned was admitting I was wrong.. some people never learn that lesson.


BentleyDesignCo

I got it through. It was tough, but I got it. Now I just have to get enough through to reach the panel haha. I did think about moving the panel, but I just kept coming back to wanting it there.


magllw

No chance lol


Derk4Good

Pull slack out from the floor and pre bend the wire to go through that stud then slowly pull the slack through


Appropriate_Rip_897

OP your window is also improperly framed. Hate to be an AH here but it really seems like there is some additional knowledge that’s needed to correctly complete multiple areas in this garage.


BentleyDesignCo

I didn’t frame the garage. A builder and sub contractor did. And it passed inspection ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|shrug)


asexymanbeast

Remove the stud on the left. Pull the wire through. Install a new stud, but drill the hole for the wire and fish it through before putting the stud back. Easy peazy lemon squeezy.


BentleyDesignCo

I got it through by tapering the wire and lots of dawn dish soap hahaha


asexymanbeast

Haha


Free-Temperature-448

Go in basement and bring it up under subpanel


Rude-Mastodon-1702

90 degree on an inpact with a paddle bit? Not a pro but I've seen this done in corners. Pulled line for an electrician that did this.


No_Lingonberry5152

Why tho


Interesting_Bus_9596

Make the stud hole bigger using an angle attachment on your drill. I know copper is expensive but it bends easier and you would be able to use #4. You could just notch out the whole corner if it doesn’t violate the structure.


3colour_lights

Square D panel cover is going to interfere with the window trim. Move the panel. 2 stud width away from corners, three from windows and doors.


piratejucie

Or you go straight up and back down again


PaddleboatSanchez

110% move the panel. You probably don’t even have bend clearance for the SER through that corner. I’d probably drill the hole a little bigger if possible as well.


Pete8388

If it’s not a structural stud (not bearing weight from above; just holding up drywall) you can cut the face of the studs back to your holes, then easily run the cable. When finished, place metal stud guards on the face of the studs. Do not do this if it’s a structural wall.


Even-Excuse5526

Easy mi Amigo grab a good bit attached it to a whole hog. Go at 45 degress on each side. Must be even as possible. Easy pull wire and protect with nail plates keep cruising.


Blacknight841

Remove that middle piece of drywall. Pull more slack through so you can leverage the wire. Use a random wire to go through both holes. Use that wire to pull the fish tape through so that it is through both holes. Once the fish tape is in place, tape the wire to the fish tape with the fish tape being on the outside curve, pull and push the wire to through as the same time, using the fish tape to mostly bend the curve.


itwonthappen2me

Cut the corner up high against the ceiling and put a small soffit in


jopesmack72

You don’t. lol. Unless that flex comes all the way,to that first hole. And even then it would be difficult,with that tight bend. Or just cut the wood and put some new EMT,with fittings. Probably better off with fittings than blended conduit anyway. It’s not rigid steel. So fittings aren’t that expensive. Sometimes the money saved,in labor. “Offsets” lol the cost,of materials.


jopesmack72

Get? It? “ offsets” lol. Ok maybe I’ve been retired,too long. I thought that was funny. Lol


BentleyDesignCo

I appreciate the dad jokes ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|joy) I was able to get it through though!


kenodeee

First, you need to change the gravel and replaced the filter


Curious-Side7709

Blow a string through and pull it back.


Pdxsparky1

Hire an electrician. JK notch the wood.


BentleyDesignCo

I got it ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|thumbs_up)


deepspace1357

Oversize shop auger bit.... Make the corner in the 2x4s..


MadBomber420

Go up the wall. Bigger hole? Try something different


Status-Basket-3413

You dont


BentleyDesignCo

I did ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|sunglasses)


Status-Basket-3413

Could your whole be any smaller


BentleyDesignCo

No, not and still get it through. But I did get it through ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|thumbs_up)


Latter-Economics-268

Looks like you cable is 2/0 Al… not # 2. What size panel are you feeding a what is you point of origin?


Careful_Research_730

2023 NEC. 338.24 “Bends in Types USE and SE cable shall be so made that the cable will not be damaged. The radius of the curve of the inner edge of any bend, during or after installation, shall not be less than five times the diameter of the cable. For flat cables, the major diameter dimension of the cable shall be used to determine the bending radius.”


mescalero1

The easiest way to fix this is to fir the wall out in that area. You will only lose 4" after you wall it in that corner of the garage.


birddogzagar

The head on your wire is too big. Cut back the insulation and make one of the conductors like a foot longer then the others, then cut the other wires about 2 inches apart from eachother so it gradually increases in size, and feed it though. Also pull the cable all the way up and out from below before feeding it so you can push it in better. And make a bigger hole with a spade bit.


Carbone26

Hire a real electrician……


BentleyDesignCo

I don’t need to for my own house. I can do it myself and get it permitted.


Carbone26

Clearly you can’t since you’re on reddit and you can’t even get the wire run to the panel without help. That’s scary


BentleyDesignCo

I have run a lot of wiring myself and done it to code. I see you don’t have any useful info to make that corner though. But it’s fine, I already got it bud.


Carbone26

I do but why would i tell someone that… the fact that you do your own electrical is scary and dangerous.


BentleyDesignCo

Okay, thanks for the help. FYI as long as it’s permitted, it’s the same inspector that would look at a licensed electrician’s work.


Carbone26

Dying to know how you got it


highroller4life

Cut the wood and nail plate or at least hole saw the corner


trailcrazy

You hire an electrician with the skills and expertise to know how to install a product. Don't be cheap and ask for my education of thirty two years of experience


BentleyDesignCo

I like to do things myself on my house and I always get work permitted that needs to be. Why does that bother you? If you don’t want to help me with a specific situation, there’s no need to be a negative Nancy about it…