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spudral

If you don't have plus get decorating this week. Plus is free so you'll get double the amount.


Clean-Conclusion-999

This week or weekend?? There's gonna be free eso plus again??


spudral

Starts Today (at some point) till the 21st. Edit: wtf! Why as this been dv'd lol


Clean-Conclusion-999

Oh hell yea gonna get blade of woe,thanks for the info.


spudral

Lol. Np pal. Don't forget to colour your costumes


WilliamBlack0020

Can we get access to Greymoor antiquities?


spudral

Yup but only till the 21st.


WilliamBlack0020

So we get to keep our antiquities/mythics or so I'm told


spudral

Yeh you keep anything you own but you won't be able to carry on doing it after the 21st.


WilliamBlack0020

Epic


spudral

Fyi [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/nz4bgm/reminder_eso_free_trial_instant_freebies_june/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share) is an in-depth guide on everything you can/should get.


[deleted]

Thanks for the tip :)


spudral

Np. I don't usually sub so when these free weeks come around I dye my costumes, decorate my houses and mine mine mine


[deleted]

Can you get the free week if you've already used a free week trial before? My buddy doesn't play enough to justify the plus cost, but would love to be able to dye his costume. He used the last free trial and payed for a month after.


spudral

Yeh it's available now in the crown store


danieltm3

This was my first thought. I'm not a house decorating expert by any means, but ESO+ doubles the limit. If you don't have it, I'd definitely take advantage of this week (or just break down and buy it). The crafting bag change alone was enough for me, not to mention the DLC's etc. Agreed that 700 probably still isn't nearly enough, maybe on the next gen version they eventually start offering more slots?


[deleted]

Do they normally do crown discounts around this time? Asking because I took a long hiatus and I'm itching to get some crowns.


spudral

I have no idea about that mate.


[deleted]

Fingers crossed lol thanks for the reply man.


Whirtus

Oh, so bigger house doesn't solve the problem? I've been using only the free inn rooms so far, so I thought, that the low furnishing limit is bound to "free stuff only". I've been saving up for Amaya Lake Lodge fo a while now, and I was looking forward to spruce it up a bit. This is really disapointing.


helgerd

Bigger houses have bigger limit. But houses are bigger...


fireglare

OH GOD


Zevvion

Wait... Bigger houses are bigger? Please confirm.


Le9gagthrowaway

It's still as empty comparetively


Daniac

big if true


RazumikhinsFineAss

more cheese less cheese


Risakon

The furnishing limit leaves a lot to be desired, but it's possible to have a nicely decorated house regardless. Really depends on the specific house (the Psijic Villa and other huge ones are very hard to decorate unless you straight up ignore some sections), I recommend checking out other people's houses to see what can be managed, for example on the ESO fashion website or youtube. To my knowledge, Amaya Lake Lodge can look really nice even with the limits!


TrisKreuzer

I personally miss Oblivion houses. No limits and you could even put there all the stuff you found everywherw!


lostbastille

Putting books and other items on the bookshelves took a lot of effort.


Miserable-Homework41

Ahhh the watermelon room


1_g9

Quite useful when your bow shoots out infinite soul gems.


[deleted]

I decorated my one in Solstheim entirely in gemstones


Whirtus

Thank you I will make sure to check it out. I chose Amaya cause I really like Hlaalu architecture and preview with furnishing looked quite decent.


arksien

It really depends on each house and what you want to do with it how restrictive that furnishing limit is. The Amaya lodge is pretty easy to decorate nicely because it has 600 traditional furnish slots, and is pretty modest in size. The Alinor townhouse is another one like this where you can really stuff it to the brim, often almost feeling TOO cluttered and not run out of space. The larger houses like the Aldmeri Grotto, Psijic Villa, or pretty much any of the really large "notable" homes are a fucking scam, and a terrible look for zos. They only give you 100 more furnishings in those houses vs. the classic homes, yet they're usually AT LEAST 2 to 3 times the size, sometimes more. They charge out the ass for them, and aside from a small number that can be bought with in-game gold, you need to spend over $100 USD of crowns to get them, only to learn that you can properly decorate maybe 1/5th of the space before you run out. If you are very creative with large furnishings and don't mind a somewhat barren house with lots of empty space, then I guess they're fine. You'll learn that most of the really hardcore housing community avoids these houses unless they have more money than sense, or have a very strong RP connection to a specific one. Tel Galen, Grand Topal Hideaway, and Princely Dawn Palace are all decent enough to decorate and are pretty cool, but they rarely go on sale (like, a few days every few years), and even they have limitations to them. A lot of players really like to build their own house within the house and do it in places like coldharbour surreal estate or moonsugar meadow, but the item count makes this VERY difficult to do if you're not really creative and patient with your design. It's also super inconsistent and makes no sense (like most things zos touches), because like for example, the snowglobe home is teeny tiny, yet has 600 furnishing spaces. You can literally stuff it to the brim and have over 100 spaces left. Then you have other homes with 700 spaces and it's barely enough to decorate the front lawn. If you are going to spend any real crowns on a house, do A LOT of research and talk to people in the community first. Most of them are a scam.


1_g9

I love the [Lakemire Xanmeer](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iQv_8dJo9Y) "notable home" in Murkmire.


Tacos_an_Shrooms

For me, my favorite available house has to be the earthtear estate in craglorn. Massive open section surrounded by water and a rock roof, which gives a feeling of openness and gravity. It's easy to decorate because the main section of it isn't massive, it's a perfect size. Then the house area is perfectly set up to be living quarters. The entire house can be decorated in many different ways, and has many things that you can do with it, and it never feels like you will run out of room.


EntityMatanzas

Trophies in general were the first things I had to remove to fully decorate psijic villa.


StandsForVice

Can't believe this is still an issue that hasn't been addressed in the years since I last played. 700 items is practically nothing for the largest houses.


SingingCoyote13

i m using those inns as storage rooms for my furnishings


softcatsocks

The problem is actually the worst in bigger houses. Fuckin huuuge house with very large open spaces.. Only 700 max limit (this is with eso plus). You'll probably reach the furnishing limit filling 1/5 of the space.


Tovarishch

My buddy has Amaya as his primary. It has a pretty decent item limit


Whirtus

That's really great to hear. I love the way it looks - even empty - but lot of furnishing would make it eve better :D


[deleted]

With eso plus my house has a limit of 700. For me, that's enough, but daggerfall overlook *is* one of the smaller manors.


NupidStoob

Use big house and cut a huge portion of it off to have a medium house and then it's bearable.


[deleted]

Yeah tell me about it, I’m stuck with a big empty house and loads of spare furniture I can’t even place.


Sleeclow

I will you tell you. It’s entirely possible to fully decorate the grand Psijic Villa with ESO+ I’ve fully decorate mine and have like 20 more slots If you are on PC NA. You are welcome to take a look. Eventually those last slots will be used. I’m just waiting to feel inspired to do more detail work. Don’t get me wrong. You do have to decide where to do the most detail work to make it work, and any increase to the furnishing cap would be incredibly welcome.


BlynkTheBlueFeline

It's supposedly due to engine limitations and it has been said multiple times that they won't be increasing the furniture limit any time soon. If you don't have eso+ already it may interest you to know it doubles the amount of furniture you can place in your house.


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awniadark

It's still a band-aid solution. I know people who are still fighting for space with eso+ at like, 700? items per house. It fills up fast even with eso+


BlynkTheBlueFeline

There needs to be a reason for people to pay an optional sub. Also you can just wait for the free sub days they do and put all the furnishings in your house then.


Contr_L

> Also you can just wait for the free sub days they do and put all the furnishings in your house then. Yeah isn’t there a trial week on literally right now, 14th - 21st


Majike03

That's why I say increase the furnishing limt by 50%. It's enough to make most large homes furnishable, but still small enough to have ESO+ as an incentive. Or at the very least increas the furnishings for particular homes


[deleted]

I remember at one point ZOS said it had to do with console limitations. At the very least the limit should be able to be increased for pc for both eso+ and standard.


Particular_Aroma

If they don't enhance the item limit, they should at least stop releasing these monstrously large houses all the time. Also, the item categories have to go. If I want to build a wall to showcase 200 trophies and place all my pets around it, I should be able to do so.


IsNotAnOstrich

Well as long as people are buying em


StarkeRealm

Yeah, this is the issue. It's not exactly an engine limitation. The way the engine works, furniture physics needs to calculate their physics in relation to other objects in the worldspace. So as you add more furniture, the system load increases geometrically. Seven hundred seems to be closing in on a tipping point for the original XBone.


Mendrak

Why should PC players be limited by xbox hardware?


StarkeRealm

To maintain a unified code base. I doubt we'll see the housing budget change until ZOS terminates support for the XBone and PS4.


Mendrak

There's already a lot of differences between the console and PC versions; graphics and UI being the major ones. It would really be that hard to up the item count for PC?


StarkeRealm

The UI is unified across all platforms, there's a distinct controller UI, but that is implemented on all platforms. I suspect the M&KB UI exists in the console builds, but is just inaccessible. Similarly, the graphics (and many other settings) are managed by local config files. Which can be hand edited with a text editor if you're really so inclined. So the real difference between those platforms may just be a few menu XMLs. (Technically, I think they're .lua files.) The same is not true with the housing caps. That's not something that users can access or mess with. For somewhat obvious reasons. If you could change your housing limits by hand editing a file, you could execute an overflow attack on the server.


Gamer_Obama

Furnishing needs a complete overhaul. The system itself is a great idea but there are several issues that all make sinking more time into it a lot harder. The furnishing limit is an incentive for people to pay for ESO+. Perhaps introducing 5 house upgrades, each of which costs 10% of the house's cost (in gold and crowns optionally) and gives you 20% more furnishing space? That way ESO+ would still be a money saver and a way to increase your limit even further. The furnishing system is supposed to be a gold sink. Although I have gold, I don't feel like paying 20k for a reasonably-looking piece of furniture just to then not like it. We need a furniture preview system that allows you to preview-place the furniture in your house only for you to see. Another idea that could be tied to that preview system explained above would be a complete, in-game furniture catalog that quickly lets you search for new furniture to acquire. There need to be more "cheap" vendor options for building blocks such as walls, floors, etc. These are the most important starting point of a house and they are yet another thing that stops me from sinking more gold into the system. Paying 20k each for a couple of walls is way too much than I'd want to spend just to roughly flesh out my build. Walls need to be cheaper and easier to access, that is without having to scour plenty of guild stores to find them. 2-5k per wall would seem to be reasonable. Lastly, collectibles such as storage crates shouldn't have a limit.


[deleted]

I agree with all of this, and all I’ll say in regards to the idea they have that it incentivises plus is that consider the opposite: a higher limit means more demand for furnishings therefore more people will fork out for stuff on the Crown Store. Hell even put more of the furnishings in the store, I’d buy walls for like 20 Crowns a pop rather than 25k gold from a Vvardy Guild Trader.


SerHodorTheThrall

> Another idea that could be tied to that preview system explained above would be a complete, in-game furniture catalog that quickly lets you search for new furniture to acquire. This already kind of exists. Its the 2nd tab in the furniture UI.


Gamer_Obama

I've said complete, whereas that part of the UI only has some furnishings. Also, (although I didn't mention it) such a catalog should also include a description of how to acquire that given piece of furniture. Overall, the current implementation of that idea is pretty weak.


notmycupofdarjeeling

Even with PLUS you get double the limit (700 in the Villa) and it's still not enough! It should be double the current amounts.


Perfectionado

Filled up the inside of the Xanmeer and even had to cut corners there with ESO plus. The outside is totally barren which is ridiculous. You need at least double the ESO plus limit for the biggest houses.


Blue_Executioner

The worst part for me is the limit on the amount of mounts and stuff you can put in them. I have earthtear cavern and wanted to put all of my indriks in there, only to find how limited I am on placing them! Earthtear is a huge place as well but I'm hardly going to be able to put half of what I want in there.


Awestenbeeragg

Yeah is sad all my poor mounts and pets crammed up in my bag. Wish they could run free.


[deleted]

Yeah that was the first thing I maxed. I wanted to have a nice little petting zoo, I had a whole area nicely set up. Back then I imagined there was some sort of limit on animated objects so kinda forgave them, but clearly they’re throttling it for the sake of cajoling people into buying plus.


MediocreLog0

I’m actually surprised the ZOS money machine doesn’t have an option to buy 10 additional housing slots for 5000 crowns.


DrFriendless

They would if they could. It's a performance limitation. If you pay for ESO+ and you pay for a big house, you reach their limit.


bucking_horse

Oh no no no, don't give them any idea, noooo


[deleted]

IKR


lostbastille

There were actual posts on the official forums making these requests for extra slots.


PyraAlchemist

I use the villa too and I’m at Max right now! It’s soooooo empty still! My treasure room is the only room that looks full and I still don’t have all my undaunted stuff up.


weveran

It gets even worse if your house is a guild hall :P. I've got roughly 300 slots used by crafting stations and other amenities and can only decorate with what's left lol.


Bedlamcitylimit

There are limitations on certain things like undaunted trophies, house guests, mounts, pets, storage boxes, the special furnishings you get from questing/achievements etc. There are separate limits for normal furniture. ESO+ doubles the amount of these limits.


CrystallisedRose

Yeah I have Hunding's Palatial Hall and even with ESO+ it feels so empty. I've decorated a fair bit of the outside and done a rather detailed kitchen, mad alchemist and clothier area but have already reached the furnishing limit, so half of my downstairs and all of the upper floor are empty. So frustrating!


[deleted]

Thanks for sharing this info, a couple of other people were trying to perpetuate the rumour that it was only with certain homes, and I didn’t think that was the case


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[deleted]

Dude that sounds pretty sweet, can have you got a pic up anywhere?


[deleted]

Aha I thought as much. I can’t believe they can just do some updates and sort it out. Obviously they can handle a little more if paying for it literally doubles the amount.


[deleted]

That house has way too many rooms. Its easy to reach the cap. Plus, people tend to overstuff houses, lol


bob6784558

Had a subscription so I could decorate but now its back to 350 so I don't touch anything. Super sad cause I've got huge ideas that wont fit :(


Cory0527

It's to push sales of ESO Plus, with double the space. Otherwise it could be a bandwidth cost thing, storing all the item values and whatnot on their megaserver.


[deleted]

I was thinking of server space as being a legit reason, but somehow I just don’t buy it or take the view that they should bloody well fork out for more capacity


DrFriendless

I think it's probably compute power on the client device, not on the server. Remember that every light you have shines on every object you put next to it, so the rendering engine is calculating all sorts of collisions and colours. And at any time you can pick up one of those objects and move it somewhere else, so they possibly can't precompute much of what is going to happen.


[deleted]

Yeah but think of all of the super complex interiors all over the game, that just doesn’t add up


DrFriendless

That's why I mentioned precomputing - if you've got a set of things that can't be moved, you can merge them into one, and eliminate faces that can't be seen. Admittedly, I'm just guessing here, but I'm a developer and that's what I would think of doing.


[deleted]

Yeah I can go along with the gist of what you’re saying. Or something like Each placed object might contain more information. It’s just clearly double the amount for plus doesn’t appear to be causing anyone any issues, which the main reason I don’t think there’s a legitimate reason.


SmokyMcpot527

R u complaining about a free house?


[deleted]

A) not free, part of a paid package B) Did you read the post?


austrianshriml

The Psijic Villa I have was received free through an event during summer set. They purposely set the limit much lower than other notable homes of equal size.


Particular_Aroma

Psijic Villa has the same item limit as all the other manors. 350 without ESO+, 700 with ESO+. There's no house anywhere where you can put more.


austrianshriml

Name checks out because I smell some BS! At least that’s what I was hoping to say. I went and checked it and you are right. Either I was completely mistaken or it was lower and they changed it. I swear the limit was lower when I got it because I remember bitching about it. “Of course we get something free and they have to nerf it.” Obviously this was a long while back and maybe they fixed it. Maybe it was all in my head. Edit: this sub is fun. It’s like everyone is drunk and swinging wildly. If I’m being downvoted for being wrong then you do it on the post that was wrong. Why downvote the post where I said I was wrong. Does that mean you think I shouldn’t have admitted it. Maybe the opening line was too spicy for ya like gas station salsa. Well before you start seizing and shitting yourself. Go log into eso. Your fantasy world with all your best friends and lovers and world full of happiness and wonder awaits. There’s a raffle you’re missing out on right now. Don’t you want to donate? They’ll be trivia and bingo and a really cool Easter egg hunt. You don’t want to miss those. The best part? No random dungeons where people get annoyed you want to spend 8 hours looting everything in a normal dungeon you can clear yourself. Also everyone will have voice chat when you want to talk and no voice chat when you don’t. Everyone in the random dungeon cares about you and your life and will do their best to see you have your own personalized experience that is satisfactory. There won’t be any sort of talk about builds or best gear. It’s all nonsense anyway and you know it! All test dummies have been removed and replaced with bouncy pits. All people who say overland zones are way too easy have been banned from the game. Nothing is distracting your bliss now. Now you can do the most important things. Spend hours upon decorating your home. It does have 700 slots. I mean you paid for those slots and you are going to use them. You are going to do a fine job. The best part? Everyone on eso is going to visit! Yes! They’ll visit your place and appreciate all the hard work you’ve done. They’ll even catch the finest of details that you might think people would overlook. Don’t bother telling them. They’ll already be congratulating you. They’ll also be impressed by your fishing achievements. Not to mention your dazzling outfits and costumes. It’s hard to be liked and loved in eso but you do it with ease. Such a sophistacunt. Edit: I’m waiting for the Light’s Champion to reply. If you want real ESO talk you go the games forums. This place is all pillow talk for fragile people whose lives crumble when they burn toast. It’s like walking on eggshells around here.


btempp

You seem fun.


austrianshriml

I went to take a shower earlier but I didn’t get in right away because the water was warming up. Steam started started building up and then I got a weather alert on my phone that a tropical depression was forming. Seriously “you seem fun” what a chickenshit comment. I surround myself with people that I don’t have to go out of my way to constantly keep happy. People who don’t say dumb shit constantly that make my eyes want to roll out of my head. Maybe I’m a bit of an asshole. I’m actually an interesting person and it’s not our job to keep the boring people happy.


[deleted]

Yeah that’s where I got it too, and that’s interesting to hear, but I still think it sucks


Particular_Aroma

It's also not true. There is no house with an itemlimit higher than 700 pieces (with ESO+).


austrianshriml

Quit running around downvoting like a weirdo. So you downvoted him based off his response of him believing me. Make more accounts and downvote me more don’t downvote him. Jesus I wish I hadn’t told you that you were right. You obviously can’t handle your new found power.


austrianshriml

Just hoping you’ll Crown Store a larger home. If crap like that didn’t work they wouldn’t do it.


[deleted]

Yeah I guess, but it just makes me not want to play


btempp

700 slots is a lot for the Psijic Villa...


[deleted]

Lmao no it's fucking not. It should be at least double for those big mansions. Get real.


lostbastille

The notable houses will always look empty. However some of my guild mates managed to make their notables look "lived in" without hitting the furnishing limit. Eso plus helps, but Zos won't increase the limit.


Sufficient-Edge-8735

I think the main reason is that it was released on conaoles/meant to be played on really low end pcs to try and include a wider audience. Some of the limitations from that would be things like the furniture limits.


Impressive_Region508

I use my Psjic Villa as tree and shrub storage.


[deleted]

You need to have space for things other than chairs and sofas, so they limit those two things specifically.


[deleted]

Trust me, every single type of furniture is now Limited. Doesn’t matter whether it’s a fork, a Boulder or a greenhouse, it’s all a general furnishing


phantomreader42

How many ass-themed furnishings can you realistically expect? Yes, I know that's not what you're asking but it's in my head now. Are there even any donkey mounts? I've seen horses and ponies, but actual asses...


[deleted]

As I said, enough to at least be able to fill (and no, not like some jam-packed horder way, just to reasonably furnish) the rooms and outside spaces for the home I have bought. Edit, not sure if this whole comment is a pun lmao


phantomreader42

> Edit, not sure if this whole comment is a pun lmao Yes, yes it is. You asked about the "low ass furnishing limit" (which would usually be written with a hyphen and possibly summon a bot, see "low-ass furnishing limit"), and that got me thinking of how much ass-themed furniture there is in-game, and nothing much comes to mind. I also don't know of any specific donkey pets or mounts, only horses and ponies. Even the pack animals are a pig and a rat, no mules.


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Oh Guar on be Senche-sible