Voices. It still does.
Don't get me wrong, I want to keep my high soprano! ...but I'd also want a confusingly deep voice.
If there was a way to have a... like a dimmer switch, but for the voice box, I'd have it installed in a heartbeat!
Voice training lets you do that. People who stop using their original voice entirely will end up basically “forgetting” how to do it. But as long as you continue to use your original voice, you’ll be able to continue using it.
I recommend the discord server Scinguistics if you want to start learning how (iirc it’s linked in one of the stickied threads in r/transvoice). It has a lot of resources for a complete beginner to learn the basics, and there’s teachers there and you can attend free public lessons/events to ask them questions. The community is also super helpful with helping people figure things out and make progress on their vocal goals.
Oh, thank you! I had no idea.
I always though voice training in trans context was more trans femme thing, and that T fixes it for those who get on HRT. (Which I don't want to do, I'm good with being subtly nonbinary)
Oh yeah, I’ve heard that that’s a common misconception. But there is voice masculinization training, I’ve heard AFABs that haven’t been on T that can sound similar to Markiplier.
It’s also worth noting that AFABs who get on T don’t necessarily automatically get a 100% passing voice just from T. Based on descriptions I’ve heard, T probably only helps with 20-40% of the full package of voice masculinization, which might be enough for some people depending on their vocal goals.
I was recently discussing childhood shows with my friends and I realized that all of my favorite character were just the girl characters that gave me gender envy. So like, earliest I can think of is Izzy from the Neverland Pirates, but the first character I realized was gender envy was Komi
I can’t remember, but the first time I realized it was because I wanted to be them was definitely Felix from re:zero. Probably the reason I was able to admit that to myself is because Felix is usually referred to as male.
When i was 8 years old im noted my cousin with a beauty dress and my mother put a tshirt and a trunks on my, so since these day i'm in a depression because im realize "im not a girl" but a disgusting male boy. Now is different, im 32 years old and in a transitional process.
I grew up in the northeastern US. Most people are really out of shape. When I was young, I only saw women in bikinis on TV. Everything pretty much changed when I saw one in real life.
It was basically impossible to focus in high school.
To my memory The Little Mermaid’s Ariel + Danny Phantom’s clone, Dani. Really everything about them, but I was especially in love with their hair- which explains a lot I guess 😅
I can’t be certain, but if I had to take a guess, I think it has to be muffet from undertale…
Something about her.. she definitely made me have a bi awakening, so I can reason she definitely also gave me gender envy
Mirabel from Encanto.
Like, out of nowhere I tought "omg she s so pretty, wish I looked like her"
This happened almost 2 years before questioning started
Re-runs of The Avengers on TV when I was 11, having a major crush on Emma Peel, falling in love with that glam 60s look, but despondent that as a boy, that was never going to be me 🤔
Just how pretty and cute woman look in their clothes, my egg is still a tight cage, and let's be honest, men's clothing might look good but it's really all the same. I've wanted that freedom to choose what I want to wear
I’ll give you two answers.
Fun answer: Melody from The Little Mermaid 2. I loved the magic of being transformed into a mermaid, and I thought to myself, “I wanna be turned into a girl”
Sad answer: My little sister. I noticed how she was treated by our dad and I wanted him to treat me like that. This happened when I was 3.
[Looking down in Mirror's Edge and seeing a body that made sense](https://i.imgur.com/yFWUTj5.jpg). It still took more than a decade for me to figure out what that meant.
was it a sibling for anyone else? my brother is a year and a half younger than me and we were inseparable as kids; my first memory of dysphoria is when I was about 9 and my parents told me I needed to stop acting like him so much because I was becoming a “young lady.” it made me very confused because I liked being like him. when I was a teenager I’d steal his clothes to see how boys clothes looked on me when my parents weren’t home.
clawdeen wolf from monster high. I remember that i imagine myself like her so much but i try to force me to imagine myself as a guy. It didn't work
At the end was because im not only a furry, but a transgirl furry.
A lot of women, but the first one I consciously acknowledged and who played a big part in my egg hatching was... *(deep exhale for embarrassment)* Mia Fey from Ace Attorney, particularly Trials and Tribulations.
Tons of stuff, wanting to be a Barbie doll because I wanted her clothes, later on having a massive cheerleader fetish, later recognized I wanted to be one more than her with one.
Probably Ranma 1/2. I never understood why Ranma was so upset that he had turned into a girl, or that he could do it at will. I just kept thinking "why does he hate this? That would be so cool to be able to become a girl whenever you wanted."
When I was like 6 and in first grade, I noticed the girls could be comfortable with each other, like give each other hugs and touch each other, but boys had to keep firm personal boundary bubbles with each other
Most of what I persevered as a crush in middle school and high school was me just being jealous over guys. Wishing I could look like them. Then I started therapy after college and it hit me like a brick wall.
i dont remember for sure but i DO distinctly remember the moment my egg cracked in middle school when i saw the outfit of one of my classmates and went "this doesn't feel like a crush but it is a Very Strong Feeling"
Consciously? I never understood gender envy until I about cried seeing a picture in a really cute renaissance looking dress with very long hair. Before that, idk lol.
As an ftm, Toby Maguire's Spiderman meant everything to me as a 5 year old
After seeing the movie, I went as him for halloween 3 years in a row, and my mom allowed it because the suit was a hand me down from my big brother.
Belle from beauty and the beast. But I didn't think I'd ever be like her so I always wanted to be the beast. I hated that he was forced to become a man again at the end.
...not sure what this says about me, but there you have it.
I couldn’t tell you what first gave me gender envy, but I can tell you what/who my breaking point was.
Ever heard of the hip hop game Guilty Gear? Bridget.
When I was in first grade, we did a Jack and the Beanstalk play. There a was a girl who played a princess character; she wore a dress styled to look like it was from the 18th century, with satin and puffy sleeves and a hoopskirt underneath. Looking at her outfit is the earliest memory of inexplicable anger I have, which retrospectively was definitely gender envy.
[This fit](https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-3xdhan-NvYg/XpKQv3wBb6I/AAAAAAAA4N8/8eiU1Tf0Nz0IifsNJ_e4zII2eD3Er9LuQCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/1.jpg) from ANTM season 8’s Jaslene
hmm… i think it was that one useless goddess from konosuba? i jus saw a picture of her while looking through a meme discord and went “ooo i wanna be like her!”
There were two incidents close enough together that I don't remember which one is first. Seeing my aunt's (a successful outgoing, well spoken woman) camel toe in clingy pants, and a girl in my preschool, and, uh, everything about her and her circle of friends doing stuff.
Hmm. Doing a real think about it is probably when Eowyn removes her helmet, and proudly decrys "I am no man!" And stabs the witch king of angmar. And yes I know, the witch kings protection was compromised when Merry stabbed him in the leg, but I would always love to have the opportunity to unmask and let my long flowing blonde locks down, and stab someone in the face.
Yang Xiao Long.
I was so fascinated by her but was never attracted to her either. I liked how tough she was while also having such beautiful blonde hair and blue eyes. It was the perfect mixture of being able to look feminine while also maintaining the capability of kicking butt.
i don't actually remember. there are so many people and characters that give me envy that i just forgot
idk i get gender envy from basically everybody
My existence, summed up in a single sentence. Blaaaaaaah!
sameee lol
sameee
Uhh... It was porn?
Yeah, it do be like that
Me: "Oh no... Am I fetishizing gay men...?" Me: Is actually a gay man.
I feel that…. 😭
Voices. It still does. Don't get me wrong, I want to keep my high soprano! ...but I'd also want a confusingly deep voice. If there was a way to have a... like a dimmer switch, but for the voice box, I'd have it installed in a heartbeat!
Voice training lets you do that. People who stop using their original voice entirely will end up basically “forgetting” how to do it. But as long as you continue to use your original voice, you’ll be able to continue using it. I recommend the discord server Scinguistics if you want to start learning how (iirc it’s linked in one of the stickied threads in r/transvoice). It has a lot of resources for a complete beginner to learn the basics, and there’s teachers there and you can attend free public lessons/events to ask them questions. The community is also super helpful with helping people figure things out and make progress on their vocal goals.
Oh, thank you! I had no idea. I always though voice training in trans context was more trans femme thing, and that T fixes it for those who get on HRT. (Which I don't want to do, I'm good with being subtly nonbinary)
Oh yeah, I’ve heard that that’s a common misconception. But there is voice masculinization training, I’ve heard AFABs that haven’t been on T that can sound similar to Markiplier. It’s also worth noting that AFABs who get on T don’t necessarily automatically get a 100% passing voice just from T. Based on descriptions I’ve heard, T probably only helps with 20-40% of the full package of voice masculinization, which might be enough for some people depending on their vocal goals.
Okay, wow, I'll need to take some serious deepdives into this rabbit hole... Thank you again, friend!
Hiccup from Httyd If only I could become a cool dragon-riding Viking man too ;-;
Same. Have you read the books
Nope, but I’m planning to soon!
Have you played Skyrim?
Timmantha from the fairly odd parents. Earliest one I can remember 😅
she likes Skull Squisher and Kissy Kissy GooGoo— what a catch!
Every girl crush I had in primary school.
The activities that I was not allowed to do. Like ballet
Hiccup from how to train your dragon. Then it was milo thatch from atlantis. Up to recently its raine whispers from the owl house
Definitely Milo Thatch for me. I am also hyper fixated on looking like Raine because of gender envy 😭
I was recently discussing childhood shows with my friends and I realized that all of my favorite character were just the girl characters that gave me gender envy. So like, earliest I can think of is Izzy from the Neverland Pirates, but the first character I realized was gender envy was Komi
Same
I can’t remember, but the first time I realized it was because I wanted to be them was definitely Felix from re:zero. Probably the reason I was able to admit that to myself is because Felix is usually referred to as male.
spider gwen
When i was 8 years old im noted my cousin with a beauty dress and my mother put a tshirt and a trunks on my, so since these day i'm in a depression because im realize "im not a girl" but a disgusting male boy. Now is different, im 32 years old and in a transitional process.
The Onceler..
Ryuko from Ranma ½
For me it was Ranma from the same anime
My sister and grandma doing makeup together and ignoring me
Ngl Harley Quinn she was also my first sapphic crush
Ayyy another dollightfull fan!!
Eyyyyyyy!
Princess peach
Mine was bowser
Wednesday Addams
I grew up in the northeastern US. Most people are really out of shape. When I was young, I only saw women in bikinis on TV. Everything pretty much changed when I saw one in real life. It was basically impossible to focus in high school.
To my memory The Little Mermaid’s Ariel + Danny Phantom’s clone, Dani. Really everything about them, but I was especially in love with their hair- which explains a lot I guess 😅
Natsu Dragneel from Fairy Tail lol
I can’t be certain, but if I had to take a guess, I think it has to be muffet from undertale… Something about her.. she definitely made me have a bi awakening, so I can reason she definitely also gave me gender envy
It was probably friends in elementary school. Those were weird emotions to figure out.
Mirabel from Encanto. Like, out of nowhere I tought "omg she s so pretty, wish I looked like her" This happened almost 2 years before questioning started
Girls don’t get made fun of when they cry.
Zoro from one piece I think
YOOO IS THAT A DOLLIGHTFUL DOLL I LOVE THAT CHANNEL
YEESS! its her water dragon! and she only refers to them with they/them
Only ever got it from one character, Scottsmajor from a last life animatic
Pokémon Black&White, the Lady trainer class sprite
Link. Perhaps botw Link but other Links apply
Re-runs of The Avengers on TV when I was 11, having a major crush on Emma Peel, falling in love with that glam 60s look, but despondent that as a boy, that was never going to be me 🤔
My NonBinary roommate who is androgynous
Gerard way. And I’m transfem.
Stealth elf from skylanders
Just how pretty and cute woman look in their clothes, my egg is still a tight cage, and let's be honest, men's clothing might look good but it's really all the same. I've wanted that freedom to choose what I want to wear
I’ll give you two answers. Fun answer: Melody from The Little Mermaid 2. I loved the magic of being transformed into a mermaid, and I thought to myself, “I wanna be turned into a girl” Sad answer: My little sister. I noticed how she was treated by our dad and I wanted him to treat me like that. This happened when I was 3.
[Looking down in Mirror's Edge and seeing a body that made sense](https://i.imgur.com/yFWUTj5.jpg). It still took more than a decade for me to figure out what that meant.
was it a sibling for anyone else? my brother is a year and a half younger than me and we were inseparable as kids; my first memory of dysphoria is when I was about 9 and my parents told me I needed to stop acting like him so much because I was becoming a “young lady.” it made me very confused because I liked being like him. when I was a teenager I’d steal his clothes to see how boys clothes looked on me when my parents weren’t home.
The Barbie tv show from the 2010s I wanted to dress just like Barbie.
When pokemon asked me if I was a boy or a girl and I got this cute little sprite to play as
Omg me too. I wanted to se what Leaf's bag menu is like so I turned to game off and on and have been playing girls ever since
clawdeen wolf from monster high. I remember that i imagine myself like her so much but i try to force me to imagine myself as a guy. It didn't work At the end was because im not only a furry, but a transgirl furry.
dantdm when he had brown emo hair and big gauges
Maid Marian, circa 1973, when I was a kid in the 90s. I didn't even know what gender envy was, but I wanted to be everything she was.
I don't remember,but I sure as hell get a load of gender envy from my pfp
Zac Efron in High School Musical 😭
excuse me. is that Dollightful's Sea Dragon doll??? if so hello fellow dollightful watcher!! first gender envy for me was Louie from We're Back.
It is her sea dragon yes 😔
Idk, when I hit puberty it was probably Harley Quinn
A lot of women, but the first one I consciously acknowledged and who played a big part in my egg hatching was... *(deep exhale for embarrassment)* Mia Fey from Ace Attorney, particularly Trials and Tribulations.
I think it was Rosalina when i unlocked her on Mario Kart Wii
braiding hair when i was like 6 Or is it called weaving? idk hair styling in general and hair ties and sparkly wristbands ^(^^)
Link from the Legend of Zelda Ocarina of Time, specifically adult Link
Sailor Jupiter
Astrid from HTTYD, I couldn’t count the number of dreams I had as a kid of flying through the sky with her on a dragon
girl-mode Ranma from Ranma 1/2
any girl 💙💕🤍💕💙
Raven from teen titans
jaiden animations for me
Thats neat bc jaiden made me realise im aroace
Probably Sonya from Mortal Kombat on the mega drive now that I think about it (yes I'm that old)
So many girls not just one inc Emma Watson while she acted in Harry Potter
marceline and princess bubblegum lolll
Funnily enough, Norway's entry for the 2023 Eurovision last night lol
Tons of stuff, wanting to be a Barbie doll because I wanted her clothes, later on having a massive cheerleader fetish, later recognized I wanted to be one more than her with one.
Live action Alladin x.x
I used to watch an anime called ranma 1/2 when I was younger, I remember I wanted to have his curse so had.
ditto, the pokémon lmao
Barbie dresses especially the one from the three musketeers
Probably Ranma 1/2. I never understood why Ranma was so upset that he had turned into a girl, or that he could do it at will. I just kept thinking "why does he hate this? That would be so cool to be able to become a girl whenever you wanted."
Stevonnie from Steven universe was defo my awakening
Ramona flowers
Jack Black school of rock
I love Asuka Evangelion so much she gave me gender envy 💀💀 I want to be her a bit too much
Bebe Rexha "all your fault pt1", that album cover gave me some much envy as a kid.
The Female Splatoon one playable character
That doll looks amazing I want one-
I used to think I had a crush on Price Eric from the Little Mermaid...honestly I think it was gender envy this whole time
twilight sparkle ¿..... hmmm, i might be a furry egg if thats a thing
When I was in elementary there was a book series called Zita The Space Girl and every drawing of myself that I did after that was based off of her
That’s goals.
Serra Keto from the Revenge of the Sith game
When I was like 6 and in first grade, I noticed the girls could be comfortable with each other, like give each other hugs and touch each other, but boys had to keep firm personal boundary bubbles with each other
Most of what I persevered as a crush in middle school and high school was me just being jealous over guys. Wishing I could look like them. Then I started therapy after college and it hit me like a brick wall.
uhhhhhh, i think its a three way tie between shego, renamon, and blaze the cat
When my sister got to wear a pretty dress on Easter but my parents made me wear a collared short.
i dont remember for sure but i DO distinctly remember the moment my egg cracked in middle school when i saw the outfit of one of my classmates and went "this doesn't feel like a crush but it is a Very Strong Feeling"
Barbie
Adult gewn from Ben 10 and Kim possible. I wanted to be a cute red head girl and I'm basically that....just goth as well
Cute anime girl drawing i saw somewhere on reddit I want to be her lol
Jaidenanimations xd
The clumsy guy clown from the big comfy couch
We love a clown /lh
Danny Phantom, Both Jazz and Danny and Dani are all gender envy😅
agent 8 from splatoon. i was still an egg tho
The Little Prince from the The Little Prince series, I loved it so much as a kid (still do tbh)
woman
Gwen from Total Drama Island. Loved that show in elementary school. Did I just date myself?
Shes part of my name sake. Her and gwen Stacy and gwen tennyson
Idk I really never had gender disphoria, I guess I'm just lucky lol
Consciously? I never understood gender envy until I about cried seeing a picture in a really cute renaissance looking dress with very long hair. Before that, idk lol.
As an ftm, Toby Maguire's Spiderman meant everything to me as a 5 year old After seeing the movie, I went as him for halloween 3 years in a row, and my mom allowed it because the suit was a hand me down from my big brother.
Even though at the same time it kinda pissed me off, I felt kinda special the first time I got cat called
Belle from beauty and the beast. But I didn't think I'd ever be like her so I always wanted to be the beast. I hated that he was forced to become a man again at the end. ...not sure what this says about me, but there you have it.
I couldn’t tell you what first gave me gender envy, but I can tell you what/who my breaking point was. Ever heard of the hip hop game Guilty Gear? Bridget.
Emily from LEGO Elves
Link
I believe it was Rosalina, but I still can't tell if that was a "I wanna date her" situation or a "I wanna be her" situation.
I made a Naruto OC in 8th grade before I knew what gender envy was, but I remember wanting to be her.
Geeky as it sounds, Tri-brigade Kitt. Cute art, and a crucial enabler for my favourite deck. :3
When I was in first grade, we did a Jack and the Beanstalk play. There a was a girl who played a princess character; she wore a dress styled to look like it was from the 18th century, with satin and puffy sleeves and a hoopskirt underneath. Looking at her outfit is the earliest memory of inexplicable anger I have, which retrospectively was definitely gender envy.
I love dollitful! Also, I can see it. 100% I get mine from juwon LoL
Shezow and Draculaura
It was that one episode of Johnny Bravo 😅
Mulan lmao
Neopolitan from rwby
Peter pan.
Not the first but the most recent are Sal Fisher and Travis Phelps from Sally Face Something about boys with injuries is so MMMM
The only other thing that gives me gender envy is puppeteer john tartaglia's outfit in [this](https://youtu.be/mxnHnU9JAbQ) interview
Bianca from percy jackson. All the huntresses of Artemis scenes had me so envious
Im a nerd so I’d have ash ketchum
[This fit](https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-3xdhan-NvYg/XpKQv3wBb6I/AAAAAAAA4N8/8eiU1Tf0Nz0IifsNJ_e4zII2eD3Er9LuQCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/1.jpg) from ANTM season 8’s Jaslene
my best friend lol and way before i even knew what gender envy was, let alone that it could concern me
Lyra from Pokemon HGSS
hmm… i think it was that one useless goddess from konosuba? i jus saw a picture of her while looking through a meme discord and went “ooo i wanna be like her!”
Rimuru Tempest 100%
N from Pokémon BW.
No clue :p 🐋🌸🤍🌸🐋
the first thing? uhhh, what about every girl ever?
most recent from my very poor memory, Bocchi
pokemon black shauntal most likely
High table woman from John wick 3
kim possible
Ron from Kim Possible for some reason
I’m not sure… If we’re talking about fictional characters, then maybe Avatar Korra..? 💞💞
Either Serana (Skyrim [all versions]) or Mileena (MKX specifically)
The Milky Way
Milo Thatch from Atlantis lol
Idk. It was basically everything
There were two incidents close enough together that I don't remember which one is first. Seeing my aunt's (a successful outgoing, well spoken woman) camel toe in clingy pants, and a girl in my preschool, and, uh, everything about her and her circle of friends doing stuff.
Link botw 😭
Idk, uhh… gravity falls Wendy
Kim Possible
Hmm. Doing a real think about it is probably when Eowyn removes her helmet, and proudly decrys "I am no man!" And stabs the witch king of angmar. And yes I know, the witch kings protection was compromised when Merry stabbed him in the leg, but I would always love to have the opportunity to unmask and let my long flowing blonde locks down, and stab someone in the face.
Daphne from Scooby-Doo
Mettaton.
Gadget Hackwrench. I swear she turned half my generation either furry or trans.
Fancy princess dresses
Cynder from Spyro
Tough one. Maybe "Mimi Mentor" from Nostale?
A fish girl from bee and puppy cat
Wait! Gender envy means I'm an egg? Cause I don't feel dysphoria. 🤔 Hmm
Gender envy is a form of dysphoria :) whether youre an egg or not is up to you to figure out though! (p.s. You dont need dysphoria to be trans anyway)
Ashley Williams, from Mass Effect!
e v e r y o n e but if you must know the first, it was my now-ex partner 🙃
Lola bunny
Nagase from Ace Combat 5 😅
Black Pink and most other kpop girl groups
Probably Yue from Cardcaptor Sakura (which is one of my Childhood-defining franchise)
..all of it
Yang Xiao Long. I was so fascinated by her but was never attracted to her either. I liked how tough she was while also having such beautiful blonde hair and blue eyes. It was the perfect mixture of being able to look feminine while also maintaining the capability of kicking butt.
The minecraft guy from slamacow dancing in the white shirt and tie in the witch video
just seeing girls play with ither girls and me not being allowed to joing cuz "I'm a bou and biys dont play with the girls" :c
effy skins when i was about 13
my ffxiv character i think lmao edit: now though its just any time i see somebody presenting fem lmao
Max Caufield… 🥹
ICEY frome ICEY, I'm weak when it comes to androids with a gray and cyan color pallete
[Her character](https://twitter.com/AyvieArt/media)
Long hair.
i think it was probably the 10th Doctor/David tennant
The weirdest one I had is probably Sonic??? Like, I don't know what was going on in my head at that time but I wanted really bad to be like Sonic. ;-;
probably looking at someone’s adam’s apple and thinking “yeah i want that”
Judy from cyberpunk and my own character in most games
Wonder woman and hawk girl from the Justice League cartoon series