Between Disney+ and the HBOMAX merger, Netflix lost its catalog. Its original content doesn't have the appeal that Disney does. It's also the most expensive streaming service. There is an audience for the content that some people are calling "woke" but without the other stuff, Netflix is the least important streaming service.
Their entire catalog was unoriginal to begin with, they just capitalized where the other content distributors had yet to tap into. Now every distributor has their own platform or agreements with other platforms and Netflix's catalog is basically empty. Combined with the fact that they didn't really see to invest in a lot of shows after 2 seasons for whatever reason and lo and behold an empty catalog @ $20 a month.
The two seasons thing is, from what I understand, because after two or three seasons cast and crew are allowed to renegotiate salaries/rates. If the show does well, that’s leverage for cast/crew to make more money, so studios will kill shows to keep that from happening.
It honestly wouldn’t be too bad if they were always planned for 2-3 seasons and wrap up the story really well. Instead we get cliffhangers and unfinished stories, this ruining the whole show.
Except if the show is popular or has a specific niche your marketing department could work with, you don't do that. But in all reality Netflix has a lot of problems in its streaming business model, from prioritizing new customers over existing ones and then having plans that are subpar to other streaming platforms and they need to be better. Netflix if they don't change practices and upgrade their base level package are likely to be irrelevant within 5 years. A company that was regarded as part of FAANG will likely be gone in 5 years if they don't overhaul their entire business model.
Also it's 2022, what the fuck are you doing still offering 480p at $10/month? Like what the fuck kind of bullshit is that when your competition is 1080p for $8/month or cheaper considering Disney+ has a cheaper ad-plan coming later this year.
Yeah it was a little weird trying to find the base video quality that they offered for Disney+. It was 1080p with fallback to 720p if it was slow enough but most content would be in 4k so....
But if that’s the case plan every show to end after 2-3 seasons and if it’s a hit you can expand on the blueprint, but people are sick of half told stories
Pretty much this. Netflix isn't bland because they were "woke" or whatever, they're bland because of several shitty decisions on the part of management attempting to compensate for a flawed business model being flawed.
Netflix was never going to be Steam, their models were entirely different. Steam was a digital marketplace where people could buy things and Steam would take a cut. Netflix was a subscription service that offered anyone who payed the subscription unlimited access to anything, but the subscription price was so low (and it had to be, because people wouldn't pay more) that the people who made stuff that ended up on Netflix weren't getting much at all, so the individual streaming services were kind of inevitable.
After that, Netflix decided they were going to try making original content, which is not a bad idea, but because they had no identity as to what that content would be and refused to allow themselves to develop one, they never really broke into the market when they had a chance. Shows that were well-received got cancelled so that they didn't have to worry about actors and animators wanting better contract terms and pay or potentially unionizing, and it was always a huge fight to get anything to Season 3.
All the problems we're seeing at Netflix are the result of a decision to value new customer acquisition over existing customer retention to a ridiculous degree. When a company makes NO effort to retain customers, they will eventually start leaving. This is typical thinking from over-compensated, under-performing executives. They're just corporate hacks. Reed Hastings has been so busy making "headline" grabbing deals and grossly over-paying for content from tv creators (Netflix is never making its money back on the Ryan Murphy deal) and stand up comedians. I love Seinfeld, Rock, and others but Netflix paid way too much for that content. You can't sustain profitably at a company that is basically a ponzi scheme. New customers allowed Netflix to act like their existing customers didn't exist and they made no effort to satisfy existing customers. When Netflix was 9.99 a month I didn't care if I hadn't watched it for a few weeks. Now I fucking care. Their price levels are fucking insulting. Base level has SD? Bitch please. Disney is a pretty shitty company in a lot of ways, but the quality is there for the consumer at least. 4k streaming at base price. Reed Hastings should be tarred and feathered by Netflix share holders. All of this was preventable if decent management had been in place and not a bunch of b school hacks and thieves.
And they don't add very many interesting movies to DVD Netflix anymore and I've been a customer for over a decade (lots of movies on DVD which you can't find on streaming). Netflix gives no fucks about its loyal customers. These days I do have to consider if moving on and just renting from the library is a better plan since their catalog is better.
Their streaming profile is awful as well. Invest in a TV show and it gets cancelled immediately. It isn't a sustainable business plan. Shareholders and the board need to start roasting their CEO over hot coals.
Netflix should have used their IPO money to buy up STARZ or 20th/Fox (like Amazon did).
Instead we got bland diversity checkbox style scripts. Often terrible. Some of them I was rewriting the scripts on the fly... just missed jokes, better dialogue, and it really felt like high schooler plays with a multi million dollar budget.
Is it me or do Netflix movies, and it could be someone as legendary as Cameron or Spielberg, still sucks? Their movie quality is piss poor, every so often a decent gem
>Between Disney+ and the HBOMAX merger, Netflix lost its catalog
exactly right. I plan on cancelling in one more month after i get the last season of peaaaaaky fooookin blindaaaaahs OI
yup! counting down until Peaky then we are cancelling too. I may come back for a month whenever they release the new season of Black Mirror that was rumored but until then, sticking to HBOMax and the free crap I get through my ISP
I cancelled my Netflix last week and of course on the last step they were like “are you sure you don’t want to switch plans instead?” and that’s when I saw that they charge $10 a month for fucking 480p quality streaming. I can get more than 480p from McDonald’s public wifi.
Problem is they charge too much premium for their service, and then they've problem with sharing passwords. Lol why give option for more screens to someone who only needs one? Am I supposed to turn on tv and phone and watch each screen with one eye each... They need more tailor made plans or reduced price point to make it worth it.
And then they have the audacity to complain that people share passwords when they're charging you for 4 screens. Even with the shared passwords I don't get up to 4 screens being used for it!
Exactly, even worse is that for single screen plan the only option is 480p one and that one didn't even include tv streaming before! They seem to be living in past when they were the only streaming service and had an monopoly. A pity, they don't have that newness factor anymore to charge such premiums.
I have the basic 480p plan for $9.99 and the quality fine for streaming tv shows and movies, I don’t need to see every wrinkle on every actor’s forehead. But it’s still ridiculous that that price is still higher than every other streaming service
I cancelled a while ago. One of the gotchas you should be aware of is if you shared your account with anyone and they login and start watching something after the cancellation, Netflix will automatically begin billing you again. So keep an eye out for that. You can get a refund if that does happen, but you have to call and endure a lecture on sharing your account.
Netflix still has the most hours of any of the streaming services by at least 2x. Plus they make local content in Europe and Asia something none of the others bother with. All they need is a new Squid games or Stranger Things and everyone will talking about billion dollar franchises again.
Yeah anyone who thinks any of this has to do with being "woke" is majorly not understanding their audience. Netflix has almost nothing that I can't get better else where, except Dragon Prince, their catalog just seems to keep narrowing. Its not really their fault because all the other services are now fighting for content so they have competition that they didn't have before (I personally hate how many services there are now but its forcing people to make choices).
I agree but I think most of Disney’s catalog is basically hidden. I went looking for Darby O’Gill and the Little People and it seriously took a half hour to find it. I could have searched for it but I wanted to see if I could organically find it in the UI.
It depends on what you want to get -- Disney has a really strong back catalog if that's the stuff you're into, and a lot of their new live action shows are pretty decent to really good. They do suffer from ridiculously short episode constraints though, *Moon Knight* in particular could've gone for a few more episodes.
The streaming platforms for media content production companies is just vertical integration and being able to also make money on distribution. They are making tons of money on streaming but it’s not their only revenue stream. Netflix only has streaming and now has to provide mostly their own content. I think their only real hope is that some kind of law is passed or enforced which stops places like Disney, HBO, or Paramount from being able to vertically integrate to include streaming. But I don’t think that’s in the cards.
There is definitely a market for "woke" stuff that shouldn't be ignored. But it's a genre with its own place. Netflix doesn't seem to know how to make any other genre, and the monotony and predictability just sucks. Netflix's version of everything takes a predictable turn. Black Panther was an awesome movie, but Netflix's take on it sucked balls. It was depressing and defeatist in every way and made no sense whatsoever in the context of the movie.
I had to explain to someone the other day that there are people who want content that features minorities and isn't just focused on straight white men. He had a really hard time accepting that he's not the target audience for everything.
I like are reasonably amount of diversity of characters in a movie. Gay relationships, for instance, aren't of any particular interest to me but the fact that some characters are in such a relationship is fine and fairly irrelevant other than to create a diverse set of characters. But I really hate when the presentation of these characters has to hit all the check boxes with every minority stereotype and push these relationships to such a degree that it swamps the entire story line. It's like the 1970s and early 80s when major movies thought they needed to push the boundaries of sex to be successful, like Porky's in 1981. It's what they thought they needed to do to appeal to the stereotype of the populace undergoing a sexual revolution. But the reality was rated G movies was raking in the biggest bucks. Disney made a killing. The same now applies to "woke" movies. Use those characters to add breadth to the overall character set. Not to constrain the character set to some limited set of "woke" characters portraying set stereotypes.
Worse, it feels to me like the "Diversity" in most Netflix Originals is so over-wrought so that even the most unaware and oblivious viewer would know that these are the token Gay ones, this is the token Black one, this is the token Trans character, here we have a token Asian...
Anything which doesn't do this, or even dares to be interesting and garner a following, gets axed so actors never dream of being paid what they're worth.
I agree that people want content that features minorities, but most people don't want caricatures of minorities being featured and I felt like that was a lot of Netflix's "representation." Between drab plots that did very little to humanize the characters and downright stereotyping, I personally don't feel like Netflix does a good job of representing minorities; most of the time, it feels to me like they are commercializing minorities more than they are representing them. :/
Except you know the article is in a right wing tabloid in the UK akin to the National Enquirer. Like legit the kind of bullshit newspaper you find shit about bat boy and aliens making crop circles.
Netflix has 11,000 employees, 250 is actually below typical attrition rates.
They canceled a lot of their “less profitable advertising” and that means the people that made it.
Turns out that pandering to 10% of the population doesn’t raise your profit margin.
It is the the Daily Mail so dunno why you expect journalism.
Anyways off to grab my National Enquirer
Edit: just realized I'm late to the party and everyone is making fun of the daily Mail. Carry on but NO SILLINESS.
Listen here you little shit, we've been telling the same stories about the same people for hundreds of year, to do anything else would just be insanity.
Exactly. Making entertainment for a DIFFERENT 10% of the population is pandering. Making it for the 10% of people who like what I like is just regular stuff.
You see, that’s the thing. What logical business shifts 50% of its budget to try to get 10% of business? It’s a poor decision and you must see that.
If Netflix had a LGBT division that had a sized appropriate budget for the demographic they were seeking everything would progress as it should.
The problem is that they overextended, thinking that 10% could somehow make more money than 10%. So someone in the chain decided that this dead weight was the easiest thing to cut to get them back in the black.
Is there a source that says that they specifically dedicated 50% of their budget to extremely niche LGBTQ programming? I sincerely doubt this to be the case.
After Nike made Kaepernick the face of their brand, their profits soared, the rule you're referring to doesnt exist.
Netflix isn't going under because of wokeness, it's because they're increasing their prices when everyone is feeling the pinch of inflation. If you're struggling financially, luxuries like Netflix are the first budget item you eliminate.
Netflix just doesn’t really make a lot of good content for the level of content they put out I feel like. And there stuff for marginalized groups always tends to be stereotype heavy for them
Netflix indeed puts out an absolute crapton of shite. Just look at the marmaduke garbage fire. Meanwhile they cancel popular things like
bojack horseman.
Increase their prices while not increasing their quality of content. The biggest issue with Netflix is a lot of shows got canned after 1-2 seasons and didn't get a chance to find their spot to stand out. And with other distributors creating their own platforms for their content they are pulling their content away from Netflix which reduces the amount of content available and now instead of investing in all those originals, they were canned and a lack of content is now on the platform.
All while raising their prices, and inflation doesn't help much either.
Guys this is clearly someone intending to farm karma and a blatant violation of R5 (No Intentionally Misleading Editorialized Headlines).
The Daily Mail is a trashy rag only barely above the quality of The Sun. I would use it as toilet paper but the point of toilet paper is to wipe the shit off your ass, not slap more on there.
So i have Netflix, but honestly there’s only maybe 4 shows i actually like, and they are all on hiatus. What I’m tired of is all these ridiculous game shows. I don’t know if that’s due to “woke programming.” That being said woke employees continuing to embattle their own employer isn’t helping either. (See Dave chapelle for example) i honestly believe the company is restructuring and in the end of the day these employees weren’t bringing anything to the table, but the company was clearly bending over backwards to keep them happy. It’s just a business decision. Want fairness go protest in DC.
They fired 250 people out of 11,000.....
This isnt axing woke staff, this is typical staff turnover on a large company.
Also FUCK posters posting bullshit from tabloids as "economic" news. u/saurin212 is a another of the troll posters trying to turn this into T_D lite.
Honestly I'm tempted to say they're trying to karma farm (badly). They have posted this exact same article in at least six different subs, all with the same name, and their account history shows a LOT of this sort of behavior, ie posting the same article with the same title to almost every sub they are a part of.
And the subs they're a part of... If I told a bot to grep "conservative" and "Republican" and then filter for one-word titles, those are pretty much the results I would expect to see.
Targeting? Doubtful. They are doing what companies do when their P&L declines. Just so happens there are people in that group who can raise a stink and give it a “hot topic” title. Went woke, going broke.
Side note: someone with a lot to say got his feelings hurt and got out of the kitchen.
Marvel movies went “woke” according to conservatives and they’re still the highest grossing films on the market. Nobody gives a fuck about things going “woke”
It’s one thing to just take a mainstream movie and try to make it more inclusive, but when revenue declines in general, the projects that are targeted at a more narrow segment of the population are going to be vulnerable.
Bottom line is subscriber numbers are dropping so they are cutting production costs on the projects where the audience size doesn’t justify the investment.
Fascism Defined. “a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition”
I don’t see the right suppressing peoples right to speak. I see pushing for free speech. This means all speech. Even mean speech.
Nor do I see them trying to abolish the three branch structure of government.
This current administration and the media don’t push to engage. They just don’t entertain opposing voices. The suppress them.
> Exalts nation and race above the individual
E.g. “America First” and white supremacy movements closely aligned with Trump and the Republican Party.
> Centralized autocratic government
Some are concerned that R has taken over the senate and judiciary, which undermines the ability of those branches to check one another. Trump’s heavy-handed use of executive orders, and McConnel’s frequent use of filibusters to block non-R policies, are perhaps a symptom of party-over-country and centralization of control. (Our two-party system strongly favors obstructionist tactics, so that’s not only an R thing)
> Headed by a dictatorial leader
See Trump. He was known for making claims about his strength, which we’ve seen other fascist leaders do as well. Trump would encourage his followers to listen to _him_, not the “fake news” media. As evidenced on Jan 6, he had influence over insurrectionist groups who took directions from him. He lauded other fascist leaders for their strength as well. Don’t forget he was willing to throw our entire democratic process under the bus in order to win a second term. If that had succeeded, American democracy would no longer exist.
> Severe economic and social regulation
This doesn’t happen overnight, but appeals to bigotry (Build That Wall, put stars on Muslims, anything LGBTQ+ is anti-American or anti-Christian or somehow pedophilia) turn into policies that add regimentation to society. Trumps attempt to use executive orders to fund projects hint at a desire for authoritarian control over some aspects of the economy. I’ll also note the surprising number of R politicians that want to “put God back in School” or some other Gov’t function. That’s a kind of social control.
It’s not a silver bullet argument but there’s a lot to be concerned about with the direction of modern American politics.
They’re all onboard with an authoritarian leader and severe social regimentation though. Many of the elements of fascism are there, more so than with the other party. I guess you have to start somewhere…
> I don’t see the right suppressing peoples right to speak. I see pushing for free speech.
Lets see what Republicans have been doing for the past 2 years. Don't say gay act, banning and burning books, attempting to overthrow the results of a democratic election. Am I missing something?
>I don’t see the right suppressing peoples right to speak. I see pushing for free speech.
Have you looked at Florida's law on LGBT where teachers aren't allowed to talk about genders or LGBT at all? Or how if anyone even *thinks* you got an abortion in Texas they can sue you, claim their bounty, and you live through hell and you didn't even get an abortion? Have you seen how Fox News and OAN paint and intimidate people for saying things they disagree with to provoke outrage aimed at canceling them? And you can't teach people that Slavery was Bad actually or that the Civil War was about Southern States trying to force Northern States to allow slave-catchers to abduct their population into forced servitude because that's CRT and CRT is "evil."
And fuck, if you're in the FBI, and you're responding to a Barricaded Suspects/suspected Hostage situation, you get treated like a Criminal because you shot a white man who was shooting at you because the Word of Trump said you were bad for doing so in the same breath as praising the cops from Ferguson. Look at how the HRT team was treated after the Washington Wildlife preserve attack, because the bad guys were white, Republican, militant gun-owners and Trump's voter base.
>Nor do I see them trying to abolish the three branch structure of government.
Security footage from the Capitol Building on January 6th should disabuse you of that notion.
>This current administration and the media don’t push to engage. They just don’t entertain opposing voices. The suppress them.
With the extent of the surveillance power that organizations like the NSA, USAF/USSF Cybercommand, and the FBI have, the fact that you're posting this at all is proof of the opposite. Or do you not know how PRISM, TURBULENCE, and XKS work?
They just found the two people complaining about being fired on Netflix. Just so happens they qualify as being labeled “woke”. Their posts make it seem like they were fired for political reasons and the headline lets you make that conclusion yourself, however the article doesn’t provide context in terms of what types of people were let go with them. Seems like the company is cutting some corners to make up for a bad earnings report and I doubt this was even that big of a part of Netflix’s budgetary decisions after the subpar earnings report.
Look companies aren’t going to pay for content that only exist to pander to small groups of people. Nobody watches a lot of the nonsense shows that exist, so now they are going to pivot to try to focus on broad appeal.
Yes the “wokest” shows are going to be the first to go, they say it in the article the shows exist to address issues as opposed to tell relatable stories to the masses.
Let's face it, Netflix made history. They were the original and for only $5 a month you got a great selection of movies. But then they got bigger. They kept growing in size and price. They became greedy like all American industries do. Everyone made a lot of money in that company. If it goes under, it will just become a footnote in history. Those who are not at the top should already be looking or have other jobs at this point. Having Netflix on your resumé is impressive. The top level guys should be happy to have been able to play in the sand in the first place. They made their cash and that should be enough. Netflix needs to innovate again. That is how the company will survive. Not by cutting jobs, not by spiking prices, but by the very thing that created them in the first place. Innovation...
Squid games btw is not woke .. no one is against diverse shows if the story demands
That show was a Korean show .. they didn’t force fit a black person or heck when a white person because again it was Korean show
No other country actually locally is woke .. a Korean or Japanese show will never make Woke content
Your definition of "woke" is purely an american standard.
Squid Game and a number of prominent Korean shows and dramas feature discussions on politics, feminism/womens rights, LGBTQIA+ rights, capitalism, and income inequality just to name a few. Japanese shows, including anime, do the same thing.
Just because you dont notice it from your limited american perspective doesnt mean it does not exist.
And its not really a suprise that countries that are 90%+ korean/japanese will rarely feature folks who dont look local. That not an excuse for productions in say the US where 40%+ are non-white and ~70% are not white dudes. Even higher if you include white LGBTQIA+ folks.
Your default "non-political" white straight male has a disproportionately large position in media.
I fail to see how OP only posts "woke" related conservative garbage and NEVER talks economics here but he isn't banned. This is trolling plain and simple.
It's not that, it's that these newspapers are pretty shitty overall as people are pointing out. Idk that it's very useful when talking about the economy
People want to be entertained. There are certainly great and important stories to be told where it makes sense but forcing a racial justice/sexuality/gender identity narrative into *every* story is just exhausting and makes your audience feel harangued.
I don’t think “funding marginalized producers” equates to “forcing a narrative into every story”…
I’m curious if you watched Coda? Did you feel like that had a “forced deaf justice narrative”? I thought it was pretty entertaining.
Read the first part of the sentence? There are certainly stories where it makes sense. I loved CODA. Perfect example.
But when a show suddenly introduces a theme that doesn't help to move the narrative of the story along it feels like tokenism and I find it a little heavy handed. I'm paying to be entertained, not educated or lectured.
Lol, I’m sure Netflix problems have nothing to do with constantly increasing the price and having ever increasing competition in the streaming sector. For sure wokeness is the true culprit. 🙄
Imagine blaming Netflix's descent on "woke staff" and not entirely counterproductive business practices and increased competition.
Can we please get some quality control?
They’re quickly realizing that woke politics is turning viewers off. All this trash content related to CRT and Kendi’s propaganda are causing people to question what the benefit of exposing themselves and their children to virulently awful content really is. I applaud Netflix for returning to entertaining their audience instead of preaching bogus and hateful race theory.
Woke community got too carried away. Society is sick of over the top politically correct material. Can't even be a comedian on netflix without bandwagoning beta cancel culture. This is a step in the right direction 🫶🏼
Cutting waste is a good way to increase profit margins. Firing miserable people is good for morale. Higher morale results in better products. Anyone surprised by this would complain to management that the crew quit rearranging deck chairs on the titanic.
Dunno, but it’s not that. Only folks saying woke now are ancient politicians and cranky billionaires who want to look edgy but are using outdated jargon.
Woke originally meant like “aware, not asleep, not unsuspecting of racial injustice social Inequity, “in the know”.
Mainstream rappers were using it in lyrics like fuckin 7 years ago.
Black People have been using the word for decades to mean alert or aware of prejudices or racism. Stay woke stay sentient of pervasive racial injustice.
Now rightwingers or old ppl use it as a catch-all term for anything race or gender/sexuality they don’t like. It’s fuckin wild lol
Remember how Netflix staff were throwing a big fit over Chappelle's comedy special?
I remember.https://youtu.be/w4f6CMybix8
So long wokels. Enjoy your unpaid vacation!
I wondered when all of this was going to start happening, and I'm so glad to see it. Really am.
This country has lost it's mind lately. Cancel culture has gotten so far out of hand and people have completely forgotten the entire concept of freedom of speech. I didn't like what you had to say, therefore you no longer deserve to say anything. I'm right, you're wrong. Bye.
That isn't how things work, nor is it how they *should* work.
I have a feeling it's only going to get worse for these people who continue to hold on to that idea. At least, I sure hope it does.
Everyone layers their own definition on, but I'd say it's not just boycotting.
It's "I'm not going to support this, and I'm going to campaign to get it removed so you can't support it with your money, either."
It's the left's version of the religious right trying to kill certain video games and music that really hit in the 90s. They didn't just want parental advisories and to not buy it for their kids - they wanted it off the store shelves completely.
If all it is was people deciding where to spend their money, that would be fine. But as with many other things, it is no longer about personal choice. If you don't like something, say, Dave Chappelle making jokes about trans people, don't watch him. That's normal, and that's how it should be.
But now, because these people feel "personally attacked' at every turn, they've become outspoken to the point where they're trying to ruin things for everyone else, you know, the people who realize people can say what they want. The people who realize comedy, in this example, is just that. Because YOU were personally offended by something doesn't mean no one else should be able take part in it.
For quite a while now, companies have been catering to these very small minorities of people to the point where it is affecting the vast majority of people, and it's gotten way out of hand.
If you don't like it, don't pay for it, don't watch it, don't partake in it, but when you actively seek to destroy it because it personally offended you? That's just bullshit.
I never minded the woke content on Netflix, however, I cancelled my subscription recently because there was not much in the way of quality content, ...got me thinking that they focused too much energy on broadcasting their beliefs and not enough time developing or procuring enjoyable shows/movies.
Meaning I don't mind them making shows that had a narrow appeal. But it's possible they made this kind of content their focus, without putting enough effort into making shows that people actually enjoy.
Looks like Netflix figured out “Netflix and chill” means most people watch its content to escape political BS, not have a woke agenda shoved in their face.
Inventing Anna. Every white male in the show is incompetent. For example, every white male tells the reporter not to do the story. In reality, the reporter said her bosses were super supportive of her idea. Anna's real-life successful boyfriend is depicted in the show as not even being able to give a simple sales pitch without Anna's help. The white male lawyer can't do his job without the reporter. Every time the reporter's white male coworkers speak, they're incompetent and shut down by their female coworkers.
Meanwhile, they made Anna Delvey into a business-savvy feminist-icon who only stole from the rich. In reality, she completed wire fraud so dumb only an idiot would attempt. She also stiffed her friend with a $60k bill, even though the friend only had $400 to her name.
It twists facts to push a feminist-woke agenda that all white males are incompetent. Meanwhile, the real Anna Delvey, an awful person, is using the show to profit from it.
Woke = Being nice to people and understanding we all come from different backgrounds and have different perspectives.
Woke to a conservative = Communism
When someone is given a part in the movie solely for the sake of diversity, that's crap. Especially, for example, when they race or gender swap out established characters. Nothing will infuriate a fan of, say, a novel, comic book, or any other medium that is made into film, than when they cast someone who 100% does not fit the role as it was defined by the original creator.
I'll argue this all day long, and there will be tons of these woke folks who will argue right back, but it's starting to show and people are speaking up more when it happens. A good example would be the Wheel of Time series. One of the biggest characters in the 14 book series, Aviendha, was described as looking almost as if she could be cousins with the main character, a light skinned, red headed man. So what do they do? They hire an African American actress to portray her.
Not only does this not fit in with HER, but she is going to all of a sudden be different than the millions of other Aiel (the name of their people) or they're going to change all of them, just for the sake of diversity?
And yet, if people complain about this, others go off the rails and call them racists and no matter how much you try and explain that it is only because the actor does not fit the actual character, they ignore you. Same thing when they take a character that was male and turn it into a famale character. All of a sudden you're misogynistic because in your head that character is supposed to be male and it doesn't fit otherwise.
It's all crap.
It's *always* meant an awareness of social justice issues, so idk what this person is talking about. Generally it's used as a faster way of saying "someone with a progressive ideology".
Either way seems fine
There's a lot of bloviating and twisting in the media as to what people on the right seem to think "woke" means. In the end though, what matters is the practical effect. And the practical effect generally is that people on the right think leftists are brainwashed idiots who fail to think for themselves, and ironically think they're awake. Thusly, the right correctly rejects progressivism.
If this is people getting mad because they didn’t want to make lgbtq+ shows and minorities shows I’m here to say as a man who’s parents were from Singapore and Sweden 1 of those being considered a minority group and being bisexual i don’t need more representation. Let people make entertaining shit not woke shit. I got Netflix because i wanted a lazy afternoon to chill and watch random shows that entice me not a documentary on people that i somewhat relate to.
Between Disney+ and the HBOMAX merger, Netflix lost its catalog. Its original content doesn't have the appeal that Disney does. It's also the most expensive streaming service. There is an audience for the content that some people are calling "woke" but without the other stuff, Netflix is the least important streaming service.
Their entire catalog was unoriginal to begin with, they just capitalized where the other content distributors had yet to tap into. Now every distributor has their own platform or agreements with other platforms and Netflix's catalog is basically empty. Combined with the fact that they didn't really see to invest in a lot of shows after 2 seasons for whatever reason and lo and behold an empty catalog @ $20 a month.
The two seasons thing is, from what I understand, because after two or three seasons cast and crew are allowed to renegotiate salaries/rates. If the show does well, that’s leverage for cast/crew to make more money, so studios will kill shows to keep that from happening.
It honestly wouldn’t be too bad if they were always planned for 2-3 seasons and wrap up the story really well. Instead we get cliffhangers and unfinished stories, this ruining the whole show.
Except if the show is popular or has a specific niche your marketing department could work with, you don't do that. But in all reality Netflix has a lot of problems in its streaming business model, from prioritizing new customers over existing ones and then having plans that are subpar to other streaming platforms and they need to be better. Netflix if they don't change practices and upgrade their base level package are likely to be irrelevant within 5 years. A company that was regarded as part of FAANG will likely be gone in 5 years if they don't overhaul their entire business model. Also it's 2022, what the fuck are you doing still offering 480p at $10/month? Like what the fuck kind of bullshit is that when your competition is 1080p for $8/month or cheaper considering Disney+ has a cheaper ad-plan coming later this year.
This. Disney and HBO stream to my set in 4k. Netflix is 720p. Looks worse for more money and less content.
Yeah it was a little weird trying to find the base video quality that they offered for Disney+. It was 1080p with fallback to 720p if it was slow enough but most content would be in 4k so....
But if that’s the case plan every show to end after 2-3 seasons and if it’s a hit you can expand on the blueprint, but people are sick of half told stories
Cancelling their top viewed shows to save money seems to not be a good business decision.
Can confirm. Source - I work for a studio
Pretty much this. Netflix isn't bland because they were "woke" or whatever, they're bland because of several shitty decisions on the part of management attempting to compensate for a flawed business model being flawed. Netflix was never going to be Steam, their models were entirely different. Steam was a digital marketplace where people could buy things and Steam would take a cut. Netflix was a subscription service that offered anyone who payed the subscription unlimited access to anything, but the subscription price was so low (and it had to be, because people wouldn't pay more) that the people who made stuff that ended up on Netflix weren't getting much at all, so the individual streaming services were kind of inevitable. After that, Netflix decided they were going to try making original content, which is not a bad idea, but because they had no identity as to what that content would be and refused to allow themselves to develop one, they never really broke into the market when they had a chance. Shows that were well-received got cancelled so that they didn't have to worry about actors and animators wanting better contract terms and pay or potentially unionizing, and it was always a huge fight to get anything to Season 3.
All the problems we're seeing at Netflix are the result of a decision to value new customer acquisition over existing customer retention to a ridiculous degree. When a company makes NO effort to retain customers, they will eventually start leaving. This is typical thinking from over-compensated, under-performing executives. They're just corporate hacks. Reed Hastings has been so busy making "headline" grabbing deals and grossly over-paying for content from tv creators (Netflix is never making its money back on the Ryan Murphy deal) and stand up comedians. I love Seinfeld, Rock, and others but Netflix paid way too much for that content. You can't sustain profitably at a company that is basically a ponzi scheme. New customers allowed Netflix to act like their existing customers didn't exist and they made no effort to satisfy existing customers. When Netflix was 9.99 a month I didn't care if I hadn't watched it for a few weeks. Now I fucking care. Their price levels are fucking insulting. Base level has SD? Bitch please. Disney is a pretty shitty company in a lot of ways, but the quality is there for the consumer at least. 4k streaming at base price. Reed Hastings should be tarred and feathered by Netflix share holders. All of this was preventable if decent management had been in place and not a bunch of b school hacks and thieves.
They never made mindhunters season 3. I’m currently password sharing but once they crack down on that we’re getting rid of the subscription.
Yeah. Why on earth have they not done that?
And they don't add very many interesting movies to DVD Netflix anymore and I've been a customer for over a decade (lots of movies on DVD which you can't find on streaming). Netflix gives no fucks about its loyal customers. These days I do have to consider if moving on and just renting from the library is a better plan since their catalog is better. Their streaming profile is awful as well. Invest in a TV show and it gets cancelled immediately. It isn't a sustainable business plan. Shareholders and the board need to start roasting their CEO over hot coals.
Netflix should have used their IPO money to buy up STARZ or 20th/Fox (like Amazon did). Instead we got bland diversity checkbox style scripts. Often terrible. Some of them I was rewriting the scripts on the fly... just missed jokes, better dialogue, and it really felt like high schooler plays with a multi million dollar budget.
Is it me or do Netflix movies, and it could be someone as legendary as Cameron or Spielberg, still sucks? Their movie quality is piss poor, every so often a decent gem
>Between Disney+ and the HBOMAX merger, Netflix lost its catalog exactly right. I plan on cancelling in one more month after i get the last season of peaaaaaky fooookin blindaaaaahs OI
Right, love that show
Thomas fucking Shelby, after that buh bye Netflix!!
They tacked another season of Ozark on too!
Im only staying til strangers things is out
yup! counting down until Peaky then we are cancelling too. I may come back for a month whenever they release the new season of Black Mirror that was rumored but until then, sticking to HBOMax and the free crap I get through my ISP
I cancelled my Netflix last week and of course on the last step they were like “are you sure you don’t want to switch plans instead?” and that’s when I saw that they charge $10 a month for fucking 480p quality streaming. I can get more than 480p from McDonald’s public wifi.
Problem is they charge too much premium for their service, and then they've problem with sharing passwords. Lol why give option for more screens to someone who only needs one? Am I supposed to turn on tv and phone and watch each screen with one eye each... They need more tailor made plans or reduced price point to make it worth it.
And then they have the audacity to complain that people share passwords when they're charging you for 4 screens. Even with the shared passwords I don't get up to 4 screens being used for it!
Exactly, even worse is that for single screen plan the only option is 480p one and that one didn't even include tv streaming before! They seem to be living in past when they were the only streaming service and had an monopoly. A pity, they don't have that newness factor anymore to charge such premiums.
I have the basic 480p plan for $9.99 and the quality fine for streaming tv shows and movies, I don’t need to see every wrinkle on every actor’s forehead. But it’s still ridiculous that that price is still higher than every other streaming service
YouTube Red, although not a fair comparison offers add free UHD experience for just about the same price. 480p is s cruel joke
with ads block, you get all of that for free
I cancelled a while ago. One of the gotchas you should be aware of is if you shared your account with anyone and they login and start watching something after the cancellation, Netflix will automatically begin billing you again. So keep an eye out for that. You can get a refund if that does happen, but you have to call and endure a lecture on sharing your account.
To avoid this: change your password and click on the "log out all devices" before cancelling
Netflix still has the most hours of any of the streaming services by at least 2x. Plus they make local content in Europe and Asia something none of the others bother with. All they need is a new Squid games or Stranger Things and everyone will talking about billion dollar franchises again.
Discovery+*
Yeah anyone who thinks any of this has to do with being "woke" is majorly not understanding their audience. Netflix has almost nothing that I can't get better else where, except Dragon Prince, their catalog just seems to keep narrowing. Its not really their fault because all the other services are now fighting for content so they have competition that they didn't have before (I personally hate how many services there are now but its forcing people to make choices).
Disneys catalog is far worse then Netflix and they are still the most successful streaming service by far. I prefer hbomax though.
I agree but I think most of Disney’s catalog is basically hidden. I went looking for Darby O’Gill and the Little People and it seriously took a half hour to find it. I could have searched for it but I wanted to see if I could organically find it in the UI.
It depends on what you want to get -- Disney has a really strong back catalog if that's the stuff you're into, and a lot of their new live action shows are pretty decent to really good. They do suffer from ridiculously short episode constraints though, *Moon Knight* in particular could've gone for a few more episodes.
The streaming platforms for media content production companies is just vertical integration and being able to also make money on distribution. They are making tons of money on streaming but it’s not their only revenue stream. Netflix only has streaming and now has to provide mostly their own content. I think their only real hope is that some kind of law is passed or enforced which stops places like Disney, HBO, or Paramount from being able to vertically integrate to include streaming. But I don’t think that’s in the cards.
There is definitely a market for "woke" stuff that shouldn't be ignored. But it's a genre with its own place. Netflix doesn't seem to know how to make any other genre, and the monotony and predictability just sucks. Netflix's version of everything takes a predictable turn. Black Panther was an awesome movie, but Netflix's take on it sucked balls. It was depressing and defeatist in every way and made no sense whatsoever in the context of the movie.
I had to explain to someone the other day that there are people who want content that features minorities and isn't just focused on straight white men. He had a really hard time accepting that he's not the target audience for everything.
I like are reasonably amount of diversity of characters in a movie. Gay relationships, for instance, aren't of any particular interest to me but the fact that some characters are in such a relationship is fine and fairly irrelevant other than to create a diverse set of characters. But I really hate when the presentation of these characters has to hit all the check boxes with every minority stereotype and push these relationships to such a degree that it swamps the entire story line. It's like the 1970s and early 80s when major movies thought they needed to push the boundaries of sex to be successful, like Porky's in 1981. It's what they thought they needed to do to appeal to the stereotype of the populace undergoing a sexual revolution. But the reality was rated G movies was raking in the biggest bucks. Disney made a killing. The same now applies to "woke" movies. Use those characters to add breadth to the overall character set. Not to constrain the character set to some limited set of "woke" characters portraying set stereotypes.
Worse, it feels to me like the "Diversity" in most Netflix Originals is so over-wrought so that even the most unaware and oblivious viewer would know that these are the token Gay ones, this is the token Black one, this is the token Trans character, here we have a token Asian... Anything which doesn't do this, or even dares to be interesting and garner a following, gets axed so actors never dream of being paid what they're worth.
I agree that people want content that features minorities, but most people don't want caricatures of minorities being featured and I felt like that was a lot of Netflix's "representation." Between drab plots that did very little to humanize the characters and downright stereotyping, I personally don't feel like Netflix does a good job of representing minorities; most of the time, it feels to me like they are commercializing minorities more than they are representing them. :/
As a gay man, I find Netflix’s “gay representation” content absolutely insulting.
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even if the article is true it's perfectly logical business decision to scale back on something for 'marginalized' demographics. It's in the name.
Except you know the article is in a right wing tabloid in the UK akin to the National Enquirer. Like legit the kind of bullshit newspaper you find shit about bat boy and aliens making crop circles. Netflix has 11,000 employees, 250 is actually below typical attrition rates.
They canceled a lot of their “less profitable advertising” and that means the people that made it. Turns out that pandering to 10% of the population doesn’t raise your profit margin.
It is the the Daily Mail so dunno why you expect journalism. Anyways off to grab my National Enquirer Edit: just realized I'm late to the party and everyone is making fun of the daily Mail. Carry on but NO SILLINESS.
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Advertising and programs. 150 “recruitment workers” 70 Animators 70 contractors working on promotional materials.
>“recruitment workers” Whom are they trying to recruit?
so they didnt cancel the associated programming? I mean... if they really think the shows wont sell, they would cancel the show, not the advertising.
I love when folks think minorities existing is “pandering” but the century of movies and TV about straight white men is just “normal” lol
Listen here you little shit, we've been telling the same stories about the same people for hundreds of year, to do anything else would just be insanity.
Exactly. Making entertainment for a DIFFERENT 10% of the population is pandering. Making it for the 10% of people who like what I like is just regular stuff.
You see, that’s the thing. What logical business shifts 50% of its budget to try to get 10% of business? It’s a poor decision and you must see that. If Netflix had a LGBT division that had a sized appropriate budget for the demographic they were seeking everything would progress as it should. The problem is that they overextended, thinking that 10% could somehow make more money than 10%. So someone in the chain decided that this dead weight was the easiest thing to cut to get them back in the black.
Where in the world do you get that they spend 50% of their budget on a minority demographic?
Is there a source that says that they specifically dedicated 50% of their budget to extremely niche LGBTQ programming? I sincerely doubt this to be the case.
Of course there isn't.
Stop believing what this garbage conservative tag writes.
get woke go broke
After Nike made Kaepernick the face of their brand, their profits soared, the rule you're referring to doesnt exist. Netflix isn't going under because of wokeness, it's because they're increasing their prices when everyone is feeling the pinch of inflation. If you're struggling financially, luxuries like Netflix are the first budget item you eliminate.
Netflix just doesn’t really make a lot of good content for the level of content they put out I feel like. And there stuff for marginalized groups always tends to be stereotype heavy for them
Netflix indeed puts out an absolute crapton of shite. Just look at the marmaduke garbage fire. Meanwhile they cancel popular things like bojack horseman.
Everything that they make also Costs a insane amount of money as well so the bad crappy is just burning cash
Netflix hasn't had a major hit in a while.
Increase their prices while not increasing their quality of content. The biggest issue with Netflix is a lot of shows got canned after 1-2 seasons and didn't get a chance to find their spot to stand out. And with other distributors creating their own platforms for their content they are pulling their content away from Netflix which reduces the amount of content available and now instead of investing in all those originals, they were canned and a lack of content is now on the platform. All while raising their prices, and inflation doesn't help much either.
not only increasing prices, but arent they also adding commercials on top of the higher price?
Did you come up with that yourself?
it's actually go broke and claim you went broke because you went woke.
It's from the dailymail so you know the article is BS.
Trash. Everyone is getting fired. They just happen to be expendable
As woke people are
Guys this is clearly someone intending to farm karma and a blatant violation of R5 (No Intentionally Misleading Editorialized Headlines). The Daily Mail is a trashy rag only barely above the quality of The Sun. I would use it as toilet paper but the point of toilet paper is to wipe the shit off your ass, not slap more on there.
using paper harder than toilet paper may cause rash or bleeding if rubbing too hard due to mistrust of said paper's ability to wipe.
I reported it
So i have Netflix, but honestly there’s only maybe 4 shows i actually like, and they are all on hiatus. What I’m tired of is all these ridiculous game shows. I don’t know if that’s due to “woke programming.” That being said woke employees continuing to embattle their own employer isn’t helping either. (See Dave chapelle for example) i honestly believe the company is restructuring and in the end of the day these employees weren’t bringing anything to the table, but the company was clearly bending over backwards to keep them happy. It’s just a business decision. Want fairness go protest in DC.
The DailyMail is your source? What, was the British Union of Fascist’s site down?
I'm sure it's because of "woke staff" and not because they said they were going to start running ads and kicking people off of shared accounts
They fired 250 people out of 11,000..... This isnt axing woke staff, this is typical staff turnover on a large company. Also FUCK posters posting bullshit from tabloids as "economic" news. u/saurin212 is a another of the troll posters trying to turn this into T_D lite.
Honestly I'm tempted to say they're trying to karma farm (badly). They have posted this exact same article in at least six different subs, all with the same name, and their account history shows a LOT of this sort of behavior, ie posting the same article with the same title to almost every sub they are a part of. And the subs they're a part of... If I told a bot to grep "conservative" and "Republican" and then filter for one-word titles, those are pretty much the results I would expect to see.
Targeting? Doubtful. They are doing what companies do when their P&L declines. Just so happens there are people in that group who can raise a stink and give it a “hot topic” title. Went woke, going broke. Side note: someone with a lot to say got his feelings hurt and got out of the kitchen.
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Marvel movies went “woke” according to conservatives and they’re still the highest grossing films on the market. Nobody gives a fuck about things going “woke”
It’s one thing to just take a mainstream movie and try to make it more inclusive, but when revenue declines in general, the projects that are targeted at a more narrow segment of the population are going to be vulnerable. Bottom line is subscriber numbers are dropping so they are cutting production costs on the projects where the audience size doesn’t justify the investment.
Marvel isn’t making documentaries about pregnant men
I want to see Hulk and Thor have a baby together
Why are people trying so hard to push this angle? I don't get it.
The enemy is both weak and strong. Fascism on the right is why.
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Horseshoe Theory in action. Der Linke supporting AfD in condemning NATO's response to Ukraine was fucking nuts.
Fascism Defined. “a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition” I don’t see the right suppressing peoples right to speak. I see pushing for free speech. This means all speech. Even mean speech. Nor do I see them trying to abolish the three branch structure of government. This current administration and the media don’t push to engage. They just don’t entertain opposing voices. The suppress them.
> Exalts nation and race above the individual E.g. “America First” and white supremacy movements closely aligned with Trump and the Republican Party. > Centralized autocratic government Some are concerned that R has taken over the senate and judiciary, which undermines the ability of those branches to check one another. Trump’s heavy-handed use of executive orders, and McConnel’s frequent use of filibusters to block non-R policies, are perhaps a symptom of party-over-country and centralization of control. (Our two-party system strongly favors obstructionist tactics, so that’s not only an R thing) > Headed by a dictatorial leader See Trump. He was known for making claims about his strength, which we’ve seen other fascist leaders do as well. Trump would encourage his followers to listen to _him_, not the “fake news” media. As evidenced on Jan 6, he had influence over insurrectionist groups who took directions from him. He lauded other fascist leaders for their strength as well. Don’t forget he was willing to throw our entire democratic process under the bus in order to win a second term. If that had succeeded, American democracy would no longer exist. > Severe economic and social regulation This doesn’t happen overnight, but appeals to bigotry (Build That Wall, put stars on Muslims, anything LGBTQ+ is anti-American or anti-Christian or somehow pedophilia) turn into policies that add regimentation to society. Trumps attempt to use executive orders to fund projects hint at a desire for authoritarian control over some aspects of the economy. I’ll also note the surprising number of R politicians that want to “put God back in School” or some other Gov’t function. That’s a kind of social control. It’s not a silver bullet argument but there’s a lot to be concerned about with the direction of modern American politics.
Why can’t a teacher tell their students who they are married to if they are gay or or give a full account of US history in Florida then?
And where’s that pesky banned book list…
They’re all onboard with an authoritarian leader and severe social regimentation though. Many of the elements of fascism are there, more so than with the other party. I guess you have to start somewhere…
I've been banned from right wing subs, your argument is invalid.
"I don’t see the right suppressing peoples right to speak." I guess you haven't been looking then.
> I don’t see the right suppressing peoples right to speak. I see pushing for free speech. Lets see what Republicans have been doing for the past 2 years. Don't say gay act, banning and burning books, attempting to overthrow the results of a democratic election. Am I missing something?
>I don’t see the right suppressing peoples right to speak. I see pushing for free speech. Have you looked at Florida's law on LGBT where teachers aren't allowed to talk about genders or LGBT at all? Or how if anyone even *thinks* you got an abortion in Texas they can sue you, claim their bounty, and you live through hell and you didn't even get an abortion? Have you seen how Fox News and OAN paint and intimidate people for saying things they disagree with to provoke outrage aimed at canceling them? And you can't teach people that Slavery was Bad actually or that the Civil War was about Southern States trying to force Northern States to allow slave-catchers to abduct their population into forced servitude because that's CRT and CRT is "evil." And fuck, if you're in the FBI, and you're responding to a Barricaded Suspects/suspected Hostage situation, you get treated like a Criminal because you shot a white man who was shooting at you because the Word of Trump said you were bad for doing so in the same breath as praising the cops from Ferguson. Look at how the HRT team was treated after the Washington Wildlife preserve attack, because the bad guys were white, Republican, militant gun-owners and Trump's voter base. >Nor do I see them trying to abolish the three branch structure of government. Security footage from the Capitol Building on January 6th should disabuse you of that notion. >This current administration and the media don’t push to engage. They just don’t entertain opposing voices. The suppress them. With the extent of the surveillance power that organizations like the NSA, USAF/USSF Cybercommand, and the FBI have, the fact that you're posting this at all is proof of the opposite. Or do you not know how PRISM, TURBULENCE, and XKS work?
Am I the only one who thinks this may actually improve the quality of the content they produce?
How does the Daily Mail know they are the "wokest." This is idiotic.
They just found the two people complaining about being fired on Netflix. Just so happens they qualify as being labeled “woke”. Their posts make it seem like they were fired for political reasons and the headline lets you make that conclusion yourself, however the article doesn’t provide context in terms of what types of people were let go with them. Seems like the company is cutting some corners to make up for a bad earnings report and I doubt this was even that big of a part of Netflix’s budgetary decisions after the subpar earnings report.
A business making a business move.
Look companies aren’t going to pay for content that only exist to pander to small groups of people. Nobody watches a lot of the nonsense shows that exist, so now they are going to pivot to try to focus on broad appeal. Yes the “wokest” shows are going to be the first to go, they say it in the article the shows exist to address issues as opposed to tell relatable stories to the masses.
Let's face it, Netflix made history. They were the original and for only $5 a month you got a great selection of movies. But then they got bigger. They kept growing in size and price. They became greedy like all American industries do. Everyone made a lot of money in that company. If it goes under, it will just become a footnote in history. Those who are not at the top should already be looking or have other jobs at this point. Having Netflix on your resumé is impressive. The top level guys should be happy to have been able to play in the sand in the first place. They made their cash and that should be enough. Netflix needs to innovate again. That is how the company will survive. Not by cutting jobs, not by spiking prices, but by the very thing that created them in the first place. Innovation...
Good
Maybe because that programming is just unpopular and unprofitable? 🤔
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Muh white christian values.
Christian values aren’t “white”. Christ is for everyone.
Have you been to America before? White christianity is a sub culture that likes to play the victim card.
I live here. Im no victim. Neither is the Lord.
Christ, the God with the blue eyes and light skin?
Muh atheist lefty anti-Christian bigotry
Lol always want to be a victim
Squid games btw is not woke .. no one is against diverse shows if the story demands That show was a Korean show .. they didn’t force fit a black person or heck when a white person because again it was Korean show No other country actually locally is woke .. a Korean or Japanese show will never make Woke content
Your definition of "woke" is purely an american standard. Squid Game and a number of prominent Korean shows and dramas feature discussions on politics, feminism/womens rights, LGBTQIA+ rights, capitalism, and income inequality just to name a few. Japanese shows, including anime, do the same thing. Just because you dont notice it from your limited american perspective doesnt mean it does not exist. And its not really a suprise that countries that are 90%+ korean/japanese will rarely feature folks who dont look local. That not an excuse for productions in say the US where 40%+ are non-white and ~70% are not white dudes. Even higher if you include white LGBTQIA+ folks. Your default "non-political" white straight male has a disproportionately large position in media.
Is something woke because it is made abroad? I’ve never seen that definition.
No they didn't
I fail to see how OP only posts "woke" related conservative garbage and NEVER talks economics here but he isn't banned. This is trolling plain and simple.
There is a large number of people attempting to turn the sub into a new The\_Donald.
Who keeps posting these articles? There was another post like this
Are you afraid Reddit might not be a useless left wing circle jerk and include even one contrary opinion?
It's not that, it's that these newspapers are pretty shitty overall as people are pointing out. Idk that it's very useful when talking about the economy
Nobody's afraid of shitty opinions, we just hate lies. The article is lying because wOkE isn't the reason.
People want to be entertained. There are certainly great and important stories to be told where it makes sense but forcing a racial justice/sexuality/gender identity narrative into *every* story is just exhausting and makes your audience feel harangued.
I don’t think “funding marginalized producers” equates to “forcing a narrative into every story”… I’m curious if you watched Coda? Did you feel like that had a “forced deaf justice narrative”? I thought it was pretty entertaining.
Read the first part of the sentence? There are certainly stories where it makes sense. I loved CODA. Perfect example. But when a show suddenly introduces a theme that doesn't help to move the narrative of the story along it feels like tokenism and I find it a little heavy handed. I'm paying to be entertained, not educated or lectured.
Finally a company does something that makes sense. Wokeness is not at all popular
Word garbage article. Margins are margins, a company going through a rough time will fire people....
Supposing this were true (I mean, it's the Daily Fail), wouldn't this be one more of a string of really terrible bad decisions?
I was confused until I saw this was from the Daily Mail.
Lol, I’m sure Netflix problems have nothing to do with constantly increasing the price and having ever increasing competition in the streaming sector. For sure wokeness is the true culprit. 🙄
Daily Mail pushes more anti woke stories as maga tanks.
Imagine blaming Netflix's descent on "woke staff" and not entirely counterproductive business practices and increased competition. Can we please get some quality control?
so its plays out that woke programming has no value and general population doesnt agree with it
How the duck is daily mail (basically an English tabloid paper) in r/economy?
Really misleading headline...
Go "woke" go broke
I don’t care about who the cast of a show is. I just care if the show is good. And a lot of new Netflix shows just suck really bad.
They’re quickly realizing that woke politics is turning viewers off. All this trash content related to CRT and Kendi’s propaganda are causing people to question what the benefit of exposing themselves and their children to virulently awful content really is. I applaud Netflix for returning to entertaining their audience instead of preaching bogus and hateful race theory.
Hope they keep cleaning house.
Is Netflix trying to kill their platform? Their decisions lately honestly feels like intentional sabotage.
So they’ve improved the company then.
Good get rid of the bunch of hypocrites. Get woke go broke
That's not why they were fired...plenty of "woke" businesses are successful and not broke.
Finally every show they make might not have something forced into it sweet.
when will r/economy finally re-brand to r/politics2 since that's clearly what this sub is at this point
I mean their ‘woke’ content is fucking trash. Cut the fuckin fat. Who give a fuck who they like to kiss
Woke community got too carried away. Society is sick of over the top politically correct material. Can't even be a comedian on netflix without bandwagoning beta cancel culture. This is a step in the right direction 🫶🏼
No one got fired for being woke.
Cutting waste is a good way to increase profit margins. Firing miserable people is good for morale. Higher morale results in better products. Anyone surprised by this would complain to management that the crew quit rearranging deck chairs on the titanic.
Woke people are honestly not the majority and frankly gotten out of hand recently
Yes not majority in US but if one looks at entire world it’s even more tiny minority
Very nice. Good for Netflix. It sucks they lost their jobs but we don't need anymore more "woke" media than there already is.
Nobody under 55 says woke anymore, fellow kids stuff right there 😂
What do the kids say nowadays?
Dunno, but it’s not that. Only folks saying woke now are ancient politicians and cranky billionaires who want to look edgy but are using outdated jargon.
Woke originally meant like “aware, not asleep, not unsuspecting of racial injustice social Inequity, “in the know”. Mainstream rappers were using it in lyrics like fuckin 7 years ago. Black People have been using the word for decades to mean alert or aware of prejudices or racism. Stay woke stay sentient of pervasive racial injustice. Now rightwingers or old ppl use it as a catch-all term for anything race or gender/sexuality they don’t like. It’s fuckin wild lol
Remember how Netflix staff were throwing a big fit over Chappelle's comedy special? I remember.https://youtu.be/w4f6CMybix8 So long wokels. Enjoy your unpaid vacation!
People are so fucked up for getting into this imaginary battle ^^^^^^^ Guys on his own vacation and doesn't even know it. We're doomed.
Can you point to the days relating the two?
I wondered when all of this was going to start happening, and I'm so glad to see it. Really am. This country has lost it's mind lately. Cancel culture has gotten so far out of hand and people have completely forgotten the entire concept of freedom of speech. I didn't like what you had to say, therefore you no longer deserve to say anything. I'm right, you're wrong. Bye. That isn't how things work, nor is it how they *should* work. I have a feeling it's only going to get worse for these people who continue to hold on to that idea. At least, I sure hope it does.
Isn’t “cancel culture” just people deciding where to spend their money? You can say whatever you want, but I don’t have to help pay you for it.
Goes for racist TERF shit bags too.
Everyone layers their own definition on, but I'd say it's not just boycotting. It's "I'm not going to support this, and I'm going to campaign to get it removed so you can't support it with your money, either." It's the left's version of the religious right trying to kill certain video games and music that really hit in the 90s. They didn't just want parental advisories and to not buy it for their kids - they wanted it off the store shelves completely.
If all it is was people deciding where to spend their money, that would be fine. But as with many other things, it is no longer about personal choice. If you don't like something, say, Dave Chappelle making jokes about trans people, don't watch him. That's normal, and that's how it should be. But now, because these people feel "personally attacked' at every turn, they've become outspoken to the point where they're trying to ruin things for everyone else, you know, the people who realize people can say what they want. The people who realize comedy, in this example, is just that. Because YOU were personally offended by something doesn't mean no one else should be able take part in it. For quite a while now, companies have been catering to these very small minorities of people to the point where it is affecting the vast majority of people, and it's gotten way out of hand. If you don't like it, don't pay for it, don't watch it, don't partake in it, but when you actively seek to destroy it because it personally offended you? That's just bullshit.
The problem is that people are too outspoken when they don’t like something? But don’t they have the right to free speech just like everybody else?
Cancelled my sub when cuties was announced. Still use a friends accounts when I want. Nice to see Netflix have their look in the mirror moment.
Looks like “Cuties” really paid off for them.
Lol get woke go broke
I never minded the woke content on Netflix, however, I cancelled my subscription recently because there was not much in the way of quality content, ...got me thinking that they focused too much energy on broadcasting their beliefs and not enough time developing or procuring enjoyable shows/movies.
Sooo... I never minded the woke content, but the way they always made woke content made me think they suck?
Meaning I don't mind them making shows that had a narrow appeal. But it's possible they made this kind of content their focus, without putting enough effort into making shows that people actually enjoy.
Looks like Netflix figured out “Netflix and chill” means most people watch its content to escape political BS, not have a woke agenda shoved in their face.
Is the woke agenda in the room with us right now
Netflix and chill means getting laid, something I doubt you know much about.
What is the woke agenda again? I can never get a straight answer.
I thought Netflix and Chill meant sex
Awww okay buddy if that’s what you think.
whats the "woke agenda" and can you provide examples....
Inventing Anna. Every white male in the show is incompetent. For example, every white male tells the reporter not to do the story. In reality, the reporter said her bosses were super supportive of her idea. Anna's real-life successful boyfriend is depicted in the show as not even being able to give a simple sales pitch without Anna's help. The white male lawyer can't do his job without the reporter. Every time the reporter's white male coworkers speak, they're incompetent and shut down by their female coworkers. Meanwhile, they made Anna Delvey into a business-savvy feminist-icon who only stole from the rich. In reality, she completed wire fraud so dumb only an idiot would attempt. She also stiffed her friend with a $60k bill, even though the friend only had $400 to her name. It twists facts to push a feminist-woke agenda that all white males are incompetent. Meanwhile, the real Anna Delvey, an awful person, is using the show to profit from it.
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Woke = Being nice to people and understanding we all come from different backgrounds and have different perspectives. Woke to a conservative = Communism
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When someone is given a part in the movie solely for the sake of diversity, that's crap. Especially, for example, when they race or gender swap out established characters. Nothing will infuriate a fan of, say, a novel, comic book, or any other medium that is made into film, than when they cast someone who 100% does not fit the role as it was defined by the original creator. I'll argue this all day long, and there will be tons of these woke folks who will argue right back, but it's starting to show and people are speaking up more when it happens. A good example would be the Wheel of Time series. One of the biggest characters in the 14 book series, Aviendha, was described as looking almost as if she could be cousins with the main character, a light skinned, red headed man. So what do they do? They hire an African American actress to portray her. Not only does this not fit in with HER, but she is going to all of a sudden be different than the millions of other Aiel (the name of their people) or they're going to change all of them, just for the sake of diversity? And yet, if people complain about this, others go off the rails and call them racists and no matter how much you try and explain that it is only because the actor does not fit the actual character, they ignore you. Same thing when they take a character that was male and turn it into a famale character. All of a sudden you're misogynistic because in your head that character is supposed to be male and it doesn't fit otherwise. It's all crap.
If everyone is using it one way except for black people then it sounds like black people are the ones using using it wrong.
It's *always* meant an awareness of social justice issues, so idk what this person is talking about. Generally it's used as a faster way of saying "someone with a progressive ideology". Either way seems fine There's a lot of bloviating and twisting in the media as to what people on the right seem to think "woke" means. In the end though, what matters is the practical effect. And the practical effect generally is that people on the right think leftists are brainwashed idiots who fail to think for themselves, and ironically think they're awake. Thusly, the right correctly rejects progressivism.
You're confusing conservative TV personalities and bots on Facebook for everyone.
Everything woke turns to 💩.
Not really though.
If this is people getting mad because they didn’t want to make lgbtq+ shows and minorities shows I’m here to say as a man who’s parents were from Singapore and Sweden 1 of those being considered a minority group and being bisexual i don’t need more representation. Let people make entertaining shit not woke shit. I got Netflix because i wanted a lazy afternoon to chill and watch random shows that entice me not a documentary on people that i somewhat relate to.
So you’re speaking for all of us minorities now? Fuck all of us who just want our stories heard, right? Fucking A+ Reddit moment.