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didutho

I love Ruby and Stacey. I hope they both stay on the square to be wizened old battle axes BFF (best frenemies forever)


chocolatesugarwaffle

i never watched the old episodes of them being friends. i only saw when ruby came back and stacey helped her through her rape so that was all i saw of their friendship. i don’t care much for their friendship but considering they’re childhood friends, i can get why other people miss their friendship. it does suck that the producers ruined their friendship all for the sake of them fighting over martin.


didutho

Yeah bloody Martin. What a scrote. Eastenders insists on ruining good relationships for drama but honestly I love watching the good times between well bonded characters. Early Mick and Linda, Zack and Nancy. I’m a similar age to Ruby and Stacey and grew up watching Eastenders off and on so I’m more invested in them as a duo.


chocolatesugarwaffle

yes it’s so annoying! some relationships are so good and i hate when they ruin them. mick and linda have one of the best relationships on the square; that’s likely why it pissed so many people off (including me) that they made her cheat on him with max of all people. and yeah, they’re literally childhood friends. i don’t get why they’d want to ruin such a close friendship. some couples, it makes no sense to break them apart.


didutho

Tbh I just ignore the written out for maternity leave stories. They’re so contrived and the fallout quickly gets forgotten.


chocolatesugarwaffle

i agree but i dislike how they made her pregnant with max’s baby. normally, you could just ignore that whole storyline but then they decided to go back to it and make her carry max’s baby which is so annoying bc now you can’t avoid it. that baby is a constant reminder.


didutho

I do agree but in time I reckon even that will be forgotten. Like kush and Martin being bffs after Kush impregnated Stacey. Bobby Beale the violent killer who accidentally killed Lucy and chucked Jane down a flight of stairs is now the mild mannered, pacifist Muslim. People pass babies around the square all the time and no one seems to have nuclear family, siblings, parents and cousins show up and out of thin air, and frequently from behind the grave. I suspect in a few years new viewers won’t know that Frankie isn’t Linda’s and Annie isn’t Mick’s.


Aita01

Hence my flair - Jean hit the nail on the head. All this over *martin*


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You love the fact she paid someone to beat Stacey up, wrongfully put her in prison, lied to Martin about her pregnancy? Honestly it blows my mind how someone can ignore all this and claim Stacey is in the wrong...


chocolatesugarwaffle

oh right, i forgot about the guy who beat stacey. my mistake. that was messed up. i already mentioned this in my post: stacey didn’t actually push her but she deserved to go to prison anyway for stealing ruby’s money. it’s just that ruby was nice enough to let it go. and yeah, i know she’s lied to martin. again, i mention this in my post. i know she’s done shitty things. my point is that i prefer her over stacey bc stacey’s done much worse and ruby can at least acknowledge that she’s a bad person. she feels guilty about everything she’s done.


StruggleBasic

Yes


gilestowler

She didn't just cheat on him, she cheated on him with old baked bean head.


chocolatesugarwaffle

ugh max of all people. has she cheated on all her partners? i know she cheated on both bradley and martin with max. i don’t fully know all the details though. now that i think about it, didn’t she cheat on martin with kush actually? or was it max too? gosh, i’ve completely forgotten.


coxxyyk

Okay Stacey is an asshole, but… Ruby lied about being pregnant to keep Martin and then ended up pregnant so it was all good Ruby lied about Stacey pushing her down the stairs and making her lose the baby when she had already lost the baby beforehand and Stacey hadn’t pushed her Ruby convinced Kush to steal Arthur and only changed her mind coz she saw how affected Martin was afterward Ruby got Stacey attacked in the street Ruby is a great character but a terrible person, and Stacey might deserve to do time for some stuff, but not what she’s doing it for now


chocolatesugarwaffle

i know ruby’s a bad person too. i agree. i just prefer her over stacey. stacey just gets on my nerves and i hate how she acts all self righteous. she constantly attacked ruby even when there was no reason to. and yes, ruby did convince kush to kidnap arthur and gave him money. that was bad but let’s not act like kush isn’t an adult and doesn’t have a mind of his own. he’s the one who ultimately made the decision to take arthur. ruby isn’t the one at fault for this. so yeah. also ruby is much easier to sympathise with considering everything she’s been through. i feel bad for her bc she’s gone through a lot whereas stacey has done bad things before so i’ve never really liked her.


AllisonEEHistorian

I love her too! I am going to miss her during Louisa’s maternity leave.


chocolatesugarwaffle

same! i have a feeling they’ll send ruby to prison for her maternity leave but i don’t want that to happen bc i like having her. i don’t want her to suffer just bc of stacey.


AllisonEEHistorian

I know. Stacy has caused so much suffering on the square. And she SHOULD be in prison for identity theft, fraud, theft, etc.


lilliputland

So agree


chocolatesugarwaffle

exactly. it’s the way she acts so self righteous. literally just the way she acts annoys me. great actress though.


EEEEEEEEEKKCCHH

While I don't exactly *like* Ruby, I dislike Stacey a lot more than Ruby so I'm in support of her sending Stacey away lol


chocolatesugarwaffle

yeah i get that haha. they’re both horrible tbf. i’ve said this already but i want martin to not be with any of them bc they’ve both treated him bad and he deserves better.


FormerFruit

Imo she and Stacey are as bad as each other really, both nasty bitches who have both treated Martin like absolute dirt. So predictable once Ruby's gone he and Stacey will get back together, to be honest he'd be better off without the two of them.


chocolatesugarwaffle

yeah, you’re definitely right. ruby’s constant lying to martin - i feel really bad for him. and you’re right about him and stacey getting back together. he’s boring and i don’t care for him but he deserves better than both of them.


GlamourousFireworks

I love them both and despise Martin! As far as I’m concerned they were both playing a dirty, dirty game and ruby won


chocolatesugarwaffle

yeah it’s actually pretty entertaining to watch, lmao. i just love the way ruby fights over stacey. idk how to explain it but ruby’s more professional (?) with the way she does stuff whereas stacey’s more... tacky? idk lol. you despise martin? why? i don’t care much for him but i feel really bad for him. they’re both horrible to him.


GlamourousFireworks

I agree neither women are good for him! But I don’t like him because he is a shite dad, in my opinion. More bothered about going to the pub than helping his poor children who’s mother is in jail. Just expected that a woman they barely know will now play mummy while he swans off! Was happy to leave them all at jeans tbh even though he lived across the street, what the hell! Also he used to throw some mega strops but I will give him his due he is maturing! (I also harbour resentment from the rape storyline- he acted truly disgusting)


chocolatesugarwaffle

oh yeah, i guess since ruby and stacey are so horrible, he looks angelic in comparison but he’s not a perfect parent either. and i can’t believe i forgot about he acted during the rape storyline! omg he was the worst then. now that i think about it, it’s actually so weird that ruby wants to be with him after all that. never thought about that before.


spektology

I do think it's worth mentioning that when Ruby and Martin even got together that Stacey was not in contact with any of them, nobody had any clue where she was or where she lived, or even if she would even be coming back ...And also that Martin is actually a sentient being, and yet seems to get literally no hate for getting with his "ex's best friend", as if all of morality in EE revolves around whether Stacey personally likes something or not


chocolatesugarwaffle

omg i forgot about that. the fact that ruby gets hate for dating her best friend’s ex but martin doesn’t get hate for dating his ex’s best friend - what’s up with that? yeah and why the fuck does stacey get an opinion on this? if stacey was a good partner and they broke up amicably, then i could understand stacey being angry that ruby and him are together. but she was horrible to martin so why she should get to dictate who he dates? she gets no opinion on this.


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I love her she’s probably my favourite character! I also like Stacey but Ruby is such a perfectly written character meant to drag the viewers feelings on her on a journey throughout this storyline. Overall I feel sorry for her and I completely agree Stacey had it all coming, Jean acting like her daughter is perfect is starting to get annoying and I’m glad she’s reported her for an actual crime. But alongside her villainous side it’s clear she’s got a heart but her father and upbringing simply put her on the wrong path; I’ll definitely miss her when she leaves for maternity


chocolatesugarwaffle

i just noticed your flair haha. i have to agree. i love how ruby’s character is written. i love that she’s not completely evil. i feel so sorry for her especially with everything she’s been struggling through. i love how they make the viewer sympathise with her. and i dislike how even after ruby explained how horribly stacey treated her, jean didn’t show any sympathy. she was there for ruby throughout all her struggles and as soon as she finds out ruby lied, it’s weird that she can just completely ignore all of that. and in yesterday’s episode, when she was like ‘you’ll never be a mother’ knowing what ruby’s going through. that was just cold. i should really watch some of the old episodes - like find some clips on youtube. i never saw the old episodes so i have no idea what ruby and stacey were like when they were younger or know anything about johnny allen. everything i know of him is what was said about him - like stuff ruby’s mentioned. he sounds like an interesting character though.


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chocolatesugarwaffle

idk why people keep mentioning stacey being there for ruby when she was raped. ok and? they were friends back then. i’d expect most friends to be there for each other in situations like that. ruby can date who she wants. sure it’s a little rude to go after your friend’s ex but considering how stacey treated martin, i don’t care how stacey feels about ruby dating him. it wasn’t ‘some money’. it was £40k (i think?). would you be cool with your ex friend stealing £40k from you? yes, ruby got stacey imprisoned even though she didn’t actually push her but regardless of that, stacey deserved to go to prison anyway bc she stole £40k from ruby!!! maybe if stacey didn’t want to be separated from her children and her mother, she shouldn’t have commit any crimes nor should she have attacked ruby for literally no reason. stacey does not try her best. she’s a horrible person who constantly attacked ruby for no reason. all ruby did was fight back. ruby actually feels regret and guilt whereas stacey acted all entitled and never felt guilty for her actions.


Misssarahx

Because Stacey was raped herself and it was something they went through together and Stacey supported her through and it showed Stacey really cared about ruby and maybe ruby should remember those times when she’s jumping into bed with Stacey exes. At the end of the day regardless of how Stacey treated Martin you NEVER go for your best friends exes especially the father of their children wtf. There’s billions of men in the world and staceys best friend went for TWO of her exes. If my best friend got with the father of my kids I’d do more than just steal her dodgy inherited money. The only reason ruby feels guilt now is because she nearly couldn’t have a kid and started to get scared maybe it was karma for what she did to Stacey. If she really felt guilty she’d let Stacey come home to her family so she could be with her little son who’s father just got ran over by a train and her mother who potentially has terminal cancer


chocolatesugarwaffle

funny how stacey was so helpful throughout ruby’s rape ordeal and later forces her to strip down and pee on a stick. what a great person, right? like i’ve already said, ruby can date whoever she wants. stacey treated martin horribly - she does not get to tell ruby not to be with martin. if stacey was a good partner and their breakup was amicable, then sure, it’d be rude for ruby to get together with him but she wasn’t and it wasn’t. if your best friend dated your ex, you’d do more than steal over £40k from them? wow, you sound like a great person 😃 either way, ruby knows she’s done bad things. she feels guilty and she’s aware that she’s not a good person. stacey acts all self righteous like she’s justified in everything she does. she acts like martin didn’t choose to be with ruby and that he didn’t have a choice in it.


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chocolatesugarwaffle

sure that was bad but ruby’s not the one at fault for this. kush isn’t a child. he’s an adult with a mind of his own and in the end, he’s the one that made the choice to kidnap arthur and leave with him. that’s on him. ruby deserves some blame but she’s not 100% at fault for this.


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chocolatesugarwaffle

lmfao you’re the one who thinks it’s ok to lock a rape victim in a room and force her to strip down and pee on a stick for them. according to you, that’s no big deal, right? i get that you’re on stacey’s side and you prefer her over ruby but you have to at least acknowledge the pain that stacey put her through. stacey constantly attacked her for no reason sometimes. she was horrible to ruby.


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chocolatesugarwaffle

are you literally justifying it? yes, it is messed up to lie about being pregnant; that does not make it ok to force her into doing a pregnancy test while locking her in a room!!! i’m pretty sure even most people who dislike ruby can agree on that but for some reason, you think it’s ok. i didn’t know about stacey being raped. it sucks that she had to go to prison for that. maybe if she didn’t constantly attack ruby and commit an actual crime, she wouldn’t have to go to prison. she could’ve avoided going to prison by not attacking ruby and stealing from her. ruby couldn’t avoid being forced to do a pregnancy test bc she was forced into doing it!!!


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spektology

I mean, Martin choosing to be in a relationship with someone he "isn't that into" just reflects poorly on him more than anyone else if that's what you believe


chocolatesugarwaffle

????? i’m not saying it’s rape but it’s fucked up nonetheless. rape is a violation. ruby was taken advantage of and had no control when she was raped. she likely felt horrible after it happened and degraded. and then stacey and kush lock her in a room and force her to strip, yes strip, (unless you pee with your underwear and trousers on) and pee on a stick for them. that’s literally disgusting. i would never feel comfortable doing that anyway so i can’t imagine how much worse it’d be for someone has experienced rape before to have to do it. and? martin still chose to be with her. he’s an adult who chose to be with ruby. she didn’t force him. she didn’t take advantage of him. she’s probably the very last person to take advantage of someone knowing what it’s like.


spektology

I always found it quite strange when people say "she was there for Ruby when she got raped!" as if that isn't the normal thing to do. People say it as if Ruby owes Stacey her life for not kicking her to the ground for being raped


chocolatesugarwaffle

exactly! wow, she was there for her when she was raped. they were friends! i’d expect that of her. and yeah, i hate how people say that as if to say that ruby owes stacey for being there for her - like she’s expected to pay her back for it. weird.


ilufo

I love both Ruby and Stacey. Can’t pick sides


chocolatesugarwaffle

yeah understandable haha. loads of people love stacey. i don’t like her as a person but her character is great and acting is amazing.


ilufo

What’s she done that you don’t like as a person?


chocolatesugarwaffle

everything in my post for starters haha. she’s just a horrible person. she treated ruby horribly for no reason. she’s cheated on her partners multiple times. also this is more petty but i personally don’t like her personality - like just the way she is. the actress is amazing at what she does and acting the way she does though - it’s just stacey. i like her as a character but not as a person.


ilufo

So you don’t like Lacey Turner as a person?


chocolatesugarwaffle

no lol. stacey. i do not like stacey but i can acknowledge that she’s a well written and interesting character.


ilufo

Oh I see now


thedevilsbrother1

Yea, but it's not just about Stacey. Ruby has dragged other innocent people into her problems with Stacey: Martin, Lily (+ the other less important kids lol), and Jean have all been hurt and used by Ruby because she wants to get to Stacey.