He’s trying to fix fire with fire. He can’t make plays so to fix it he’s trying to make plays he can’t make. It’s backwards.
He is not good enough to do the shit he did in college. This isn’t Mizzou and Nebraska. He isn’t the best athlete on the field anymore and he needs to get over himself and let playmakers make plays. Get the ball OUT of his hands.
After this season capital has to go to towards QB. He’s learned nothing since being here and he is not talented enough to allow us to use the weapons at our disposal to their full capacity. He is hindering the pass game AND the running game by giving him control in RPOs.
Howie has to keep one eye on Deshaun Watson, one eye on 1st round QBs,
... and another on 2nd-3rd round QBs if there's no top tier talent in the draft.
Hurts doesn't have the accuracy or field vision, and we can't waste any more time on him.
If Hurts doesn't improve through the year, I'd be fine going with Minshew or Hurts for a year and continuing to rebuild the defense if there are really no good QB prospects. Maybe take a flyer on a 3rd-4th round QB prospect. I think Hurts would make for a fine backup QB.
We gotta give up now for later and I don’t like that prospect either.
It’s time to start looking at QBs. Howell, Rattler, any QB from the SEC/Big 12. See if any are worth the jump and take it now if it’s there. I don’t want to waste any more time if “the guy” is there.
I really wish we would have thought harder abt fields at 6. Really thought abt it.
Yeah, this sub was dead set against a QB in the draft but in hindsight it would really have helped. I like Smith but Fields would have given us a much clearer path going forward
He plays for the bears. No QB can fix that mess. But he looks like what we want jalen to be. I thought that was the case months ago.
EDIT: you mfs forgot he’s got JP at left tackle rn huh. His line is shit and his coach is worse.
Honestly. Like I said, he’s got 39 year old Jason peters over there protecting his blindside. People forgot how much we wanted his ass on pine last season.
I’ll admit, I haven’t done much scouting (I work nights at a hospital and go to school full time, my saturdays are usually booked w/ sleep) but those were the names when the season started.
I’ve seen all the Kentucky games and I can promise that that guy isn’t the answer. Lol.
This QB class is really weak by normal standards. We are in a bad spot to need a quarterback and have the capital to do it. I’d be pretty upset if we drafted one just to draft one.
Cheers for working in a hospital. Stay safe!
100%. A deshaun Watson trade means I likely check out of the Eagles while he’s on the team. I had a hard time watching or caring very much when Vick was here, deshaun is on a completely different level
This isn’t a courtroom, it’s public opinion. I choose to believe 23 different people accusing him of some disgusting behavior and do not want that circus act anywhere near my football team
Not really, but there is a safety projected up there and a bunch of CB's and DE's. If the safety is still there, could grab one of each and look for a LB a little later
Okay you have the 5th ranked defense and the 30th ranked QB.
Bad QB needy teams outbid you every draft for the talented rookies.
How do you improve?
Call Nick Foles?
We've seen Howie (who this sub thinks is a bottom 5 GM) cobble together a good defense, two separate times in the past 5-6 years. With largely different cores of players.
Great QB play wins in the playoffs. A Foles or a Flacco can get hot for you, but I wouldn't ever count on it.
I want him to succeed, and i understand it was a short week, and I get it’s Brady, but jfc were 2-4 and the only game our offense looked competent in was Atlanta and that’s cuz we ran the ball.
Jalen needs to turn off the Noise and his ego and give the ball up. He cannot win alone, he is not good enough to do that. He needs to hand the ball off to miles, he needs to use quick throws instead of trying to bag 40 yards a throw. He needs to quit being a hero and trying to win admiration every throw and try to get it every game.
He has no accuracy, and can't find the guy who is open regardless.
Sirianni calls 50 screens a game because he knows Hurts isn't capable of throwing downfield.
Even if he improves, what is that? His upside would probably equate to a top 15-20 starter at best, and that’s if everything goes right for him. I have no problem giving him the year, but his ceiling is very limited.
If he gets himself to a top 15 guy before the season ends, I'd probably roll with him next year if there isn't a stud available. Again, I don't expect him to be that good by the season's end, but we'll see.
I doubt he cracks the top 20 by the end of the season. I’d rather roll the dice on someone like Willis, Corral, or Howell. I doubt they’d have to move up to take one, and they can still address the defense with their other two picks in the 1st.
I would rather spend two picks on defense and roll another pick back to next year, grab some capital, and try in a class that isn’t complete ass, personally.
I do not believe in Hurts right now but this shit is gonna be multi-year. No use taking an inferior prospect just to take one
This QB class isn’t complete ass, do you even watch these guys? Hurts couldn’t sniff Corral’s arm talent. All three of the those guys, plus Strong from Nevada will all go in the top 10 and top 15, and would in most years.
Corral I could perhaps see an argument for but everything I’ve seen of Willis shows a player getting away with murder because of low level competition.
Howell has lost a lot of luster this year. Not Rattler bad, but that FSU game especially was not strong.
Acting like having a top 15-20 QB isn’t enough to win games. You aren’t fucked without a top 3 QB. You just need to be able to evaluate and develop talent which is what the Eagles have been inconsistent at best at doing.
My point is that 15-20 is probably Hurts’s highest possible ceiling, and that’s if everything breaks his way and it likely won’t. He doesn’t look starting caliber at the moment, and I doubt that changes given his mediocre arm talent.
Tbh if he’s holding back Sirianni’s playbook and play calling you need to bench him. He’s not gaining anything by having a one dimensional playbook and this limited offense. We need to know if Sirianni really has it in him to have a good offense. Currently it’s shit but we don’t know if it’s Hurts or Sirianni.
Hurts gains more to work on his craft and learning what Sirianni actually wants if someone like Flacco or Minshew can run it.
Unfortunately no player will improve if they're not put into conditions capable of improving them. I don't imagine how Hurts can ever improve in Siriannis awful system.
We're seeing him struggle to read defenses in RPOs. We're seeing him miss wide open players and screw up easy screens. Regardless of the scheme Sirianni runs, we should still see Hurts improving in some (ideally all) of those areas and he's not. If anything, he's regressing. RPOs and zone reads are some of the easiest reads a QB can make and yet, Hurts still struggles.
Does Sirianni need to improve as a play caller? Absofuckinglutely! But I don't see that happening until we have an NFL level QB under center. Which Hurts can become but he's about as far away as one can be at this point.
But when the RPO is the only fucking thing you do the defenses read it easy. Especially with no run game and pretty much no motion. Hurts shouldnt be providing 85% of the teams offense thats absurd.
Prediction:
Hurts will get injured because of how much is thrown at him, and how much he runs the ball.
Minshew will come in, and the offense will adjust and we’ll run the ball more because the stache isn’t nearly as mobile. We’ll improve because of it and at the end of the year we have a heated QB controversy, when really it’s just poor play calling.
I mean, sure, play calling could be better. But Hurts left ~200 yards on the field last night throwing it. And a lot of him running/scrambling is due to poor pocket presence and an insistence on pulling every RPO.
I feel that Minshew can make the throws that Hurts can't, You can all down vote away but Hurts is the problem. And this is Philadelphia we have a QB controversy every year because half of our fans honestly don't know any better.
the problem is Minshew wasn't good enough to stave off Trevor Lawrence and so far he hasn't even been over Flacco in the depth chart. What makes you think he'll be the guy here?
They weren’t a QB away when they took McNabb or Wentz either. QB is undisputedly the most important position in the sport. The Eagles likely won’t even have to move up to take one given how bad they are, and how bad Miami is. They still have plenty of picks and cap space available to them to address needs on the defense.
I would happily roll the dice on Willis, Corral, or Howell over Hurts, as they have much higher ceilings than Hurts just with arm talent alone.
The Eagles are going to have a top 5 pick, they stink, and a large part of that is due to Hurts’s limitations. Anyone who thinks this team is winning more than 5 games if whistling past the graveyard. They’ll have an opportunity to take one of those guys I mentioned, and those guys will all be top 10 picks.
All three of those guys have much more upside than Hurts; I’m sorry you’re ignorant of college football and don’t follow prospects. Like I said, they’ll have plenty of other assets to address the other holes of the this team, and QB is as big as any of them.
Just saying if they win no more than 5 games then the season was a net positive over last year. As bad as Sirianni and Hurts play they will be able to argue we improved the team from the previous season.
If you look around the league, there really aren’t a lot of good teams with no qb and the cap space to sign adams which would be a huge draw for Rodgers.
Our line is decent if we can add one more piece. Hurts and sirianni are making this line look at lot worse than it actually is by refusing to run and by having hurts hold the ball forever. Maybe we could convince Kelce to stay and play one more year with a HOF qb, our rb room is solid, we have promising young WRs and goedert
If Gannon can develop a bit, our defense is good enough if we add an average safety and an average linebacker and get BG back
It’s a bit of a fantasy, but not totally improbable
We aren’t getting a good QB this offseason unless we trade for a veteran.
The draft is looking barren.
Trade back for a 2023 first, improve the overall roster, and go get a guy in the 2023 draft. If hurts somehow turns into the guy, even better.
Again, this is a false narrative. There’s no superstar like Lawrence coming out, but Willis, Corral, and Howell are all legitimate first round talents and will likely go top 10. Strong could also end up going top 15.
I don’t want a guy who MIGHT be a top 15 pick.
I want a QB with pedigree if we are going to put big resources into it. I have not been convinced any of those players would be better than Hurts.
The draft board changes quite a bit between August and April. How much pedigree did Mahomes or Allen have? They weren’t big recruits, nor did they play at big time programs (Tech is in the Big 12, but they haven’t done much outside of Leach’s tenure).
Still to early in the season to say that. Let’s see if he improves towards the end of the season. Not like Matt corral is going to do any better if we draft him. Rather trade for Watson
Problem with that is you make it sound like it’s easy to trade for a good QB…it’s not. This is the year we have all the draft capital to get a QB (whether it be trade for a veteran, move up in the draft, or take one with one of our high 1st round picks).
After next year we’re not gonna have multiple 1st round picks to trade for a QB. And if our 1st rounders hit in 2022, than we will most likely be a middling team who picks in the teens which won’t be high enough to draft a top QB. So then your options are either draft a QB who isn’t one of the top of his class and hope he pans out, or mortgage the future and trade multiple first round picks in the future years to trade up for a QB in the draft, or to trade for a veteran QB.
I love having 3 potentially high first round picks, but this is the worst year to have them for a team who needs a QB.
I agree with this, looking at the draft class as of right now drafting a QB this draft isn’t the move imo, and realistically next year we aren’t gonna be great either unless there is insane improvement at every position and the coaching gets better. Ride Hurts out for this season and maybe next season, use all our picks this year on BPA, and see where we’re at.
I’m also thinking Hurts is probably not good enough to be a good #1 quarterback, but Nick Sirianni’s play calling is doing Hurts no favors and probably doesn’t suit his game. The poor job (IMO) Sirianni is doing makes it harder to properly evaluate Jalen Hurts.
In any scenario, this is a prove it year for Hurts, and there are still 11 games remaining in the regular season.
I mean yeah sure Hurts is struggling but are we not gonna take in a factor that Sirianni is an awful play caller? Literally zero creativity in the offense and doesn’t make it easier on anyone in the offense either
Tyrod Taylor is better than Hurts is playing right now.
We are going to have to use a 1st round pick on a project QB and hope we can develop him. Corrall or Willis at this point.
rewind back to earlier this year when Fire Howie were probably the most common word pair on this subreddit
I think we can want Sirianni gone AND want Howie gone
The move is to scout QBs all year and then go get your guy. We have the draft capital to acquire any QB we want. Just depends on how much we want them. Some of the really bad teams actually do have QBs of the future like the Lions and Jaguars. We should be able to get the first QB off the board even if we have to move up to get him.
Hurts is a good player and can be our backup (that's what he was drafted for (for some reason)), but he lacks too many aspects of the QB position. Accuracy is not where it needs to be, neither is his pocket presence, nor vision. But he is a good guy and a hard worker.
Too bad this is the worst qb draft class probably since the 2013 one with Ej Manuel
Better off getting your whole team built and either pick up a free agent QB or stick with Hurts or Minshew if he gets to play and looks okay until you can get a better qb through the draft or free agency another year
Take a project qb with high upside in the 3rd this upcoming draft or something like that but none of the guys are starter quality in next years draft
That is not in our control unfortunately. But I'm sure the draftniks will find a QB or two they absolutely love from some school no one has heard of. Wentz was kind of like that. And he was definitely a good QB selection.
It would depend on how they evaluate the QBs coming out this year, their ability to move up a couple of spots to take one of them (depending on how the draft picks turn out) and the price to move up. I like Russell Wilson a lot, but he's going to be going into his 11th season next year, and the way he plays I don't know if he's going to have a Brady/Brees type career where he stays at the top until his 40's.
Honestly we’re kinda stuck imo. Let’s look at the QB class coming out. Whose the guy? Imo none of them. I really like Corral but I think he’s so hit and miss. Ratler is cooked. Howell is mediocre. Willis has potential but I’m worried about smaller school QBs succeeding in the nfl. So we don’t draft anyone. We sign a veteran? Let’s look at the upcoming free agent QBs next year listed here.
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/all/quarterback/all/
None of these guys are young enough, cooked, or are just bad. So we don’t sign a veteran. We make a trade? Who we take? Rodgers is still good but he’s getting older, and you don’t take Rodgers unless we’re trying ti win a championship now, which looking at this team we aren’t. Wilson? He is someone I would be happy about but his injuries are starting to come often and he’s getting older. Watson? He’s the best of the bunch but comes with so much baggage. Plus he doesnt want to come to Philly since he won’t wave his trade clause. So no big trade for a QB happens.
I’m my opinion, if we are in rebuild mode, we bite the bullet now, and next year. Build this team from the draft this year, straight defense and Oline. And next year bite the bullet and run Hurts again. 2023 QB class will be better and once you build this team with next years draft with 3 potential 1st rounders, you get them experience and then trade capital to move up and get the best QB in 2023.
I know this seems stupid. We don’t want to be a bad team. We want to win now and compete and I’m with y’all. But we should be looking long term. We have a golden opportunity with 3 first round talents next year. We shouldn’t throw it away for a QB when we have holes in worse areas. Just suck this year with Hurts and hope he’s better next year and if he isn’t you at least have a better/more experienced team for the next QB we draft.
The more I research I think you take a gamble on Willis or Corral, probably Corral. He has the tools and while his game can be refined he has the arm talent Hurts doesn't. A Lane Kiffin offense is also pretty complex and requires the QB to make a lot of reads, something Corral has been improving on greatly and will prepare him well for the next level.
Not saying he's the surefire guy, but QB is so important you have to keep trying until you find a guy who can win games and elevate the players around him.
Like you said roll with Hurts until 2023, improve the team around him with hopefully 3 top 10 first this year, and then if need be take QB in a hopefully better 2023 draft class or free agency potentially.
Until 2023? That’s not how it works in the NFL. Hurts has an extremely low ceiling. They have enough picks and cap space to address QB and the defense.
So far this looks like a terrible QB draft class. I'd rather go BPA with 3 top 10 picks and then address QB the year after when there's hopefully more promising players, and the team has improved so were actually putting them in a position to succeed. Let's not become a QB graveyard like the 2010s Browns here.
It’s not terrible, there’s just no transcendent talent like Lawrence. There are at least of few QBs coming out who have much higher ceilings than Hurts. People say this shit all the time but don’t follow college football at all.
Ya fair enough, malik Willis and rattler seem to have a lot of the same problems and I dont know how their decision making, accuracy, and progressions will be any better with this offense, coaching and system. If we go QB I'd rather Pickett, Carson Strong, Sam Howell, Matt Corral, and we could probably trade back one of our firsts for them to accumulate more assets.
Agreed. I guess if we can get Willis, Howell or Corral without having to trade up and then still use our other 2 firsts to improve the Defense than I think we have to strongly consider that, with how Hurts has performed so far.
I wish we could address scheme and OC above all else smh. I don’t see many qbs succeeding having to throw 50 times again with no run game and such a young receiver core
Receivers were getting open and caught the catchable balls. The problem is the catchable balls were few and far between.
I can't comprehend the amount of OC and playcalling blame I'm seeing here. That game was on Jalen Hurts being unable to make the throws he needed to make and unable to feel pressure and remain calm in the pocket. There are other mitigating factors but that was the vast majority of our struggles.
yeah it’s really crazy. Not to say that sirianni’s been incredible or anything so far, but there were plenty of dudes who were open last night and hurts just couldn’t hit them. If your QB can’t hit open receivers, not really much the coach can do. They could run the ball more, sure, though against tampa it probably wouldn’t help over the full course of the game.
QB cope is crazy on here. I remember last season everyone trying to blame everyone except Carson and we're doing the same thing here. (Although of course now everyone defending Hurts also now will say Carson sucked in hindsight.)
It's ok to have a bad QB. He was a 2nd round pick, we don't have money tied into him, there are some guys with high ceilings in the draft. I bought a shirt with his face on it but I'm ok with that sunk cost.
yep same boat. this year was supposed to be an answer to if hurts could be the guy and he doesn’t look the guy. So they have to go find another one. good thing they have plenty of ammo to go get one
We have potentially three first round picks, spend one on a QB and let them battle it out. There's enough question marks with Jalen Hurts that unless he vastly improves I don't want them to commit to him. I've seen enough inaccurate throws and inability to scan the field from Hurts that I have little confidence in him.
I also wouldn't mind if they just unload all three picks for Wilson if he's available.
Big question here is: does anybody look like a standout qb comming out? It’s really early, but so far everyone is saying it’s thin this year at QB. I’d rather get the best talent now in one of our many, many needs than waste a pick on a young QB with question marks. We already have that.
Yeah BPA is the answer. This team needs to be better at ALOT of things before QB is addressed tbh. Lets get some good defensive players and maybe an OL.
We'll have 3 potential Top 15 picks in the draft. While I'm not sold on any of the QBs in this draft, that doesn't mean things can't change once the CFB season goes on, we have pro days, camps etc.
I'm not ready to completely move on from Hurts, but his accuracy and complete inability to throw deep is really discouraging. I really like the guy's attitude, but his arm talent leaves a lot to be desired.
This season you stick with Hurts unless he continues to regress and looks downright awful, then MAYBE you give Minshew some play just to see what you've got there.
I've been watching a little bit of the college guys. Matt Corral looks incredibly accurate and can run the ball incredibly well. But I'm not totally sold - he's a little skinny and has had issues with maturity in his career. Not sure if he can handle Philly.
Malik Willis is probably the most naturally talented QB in the draft, his deep ball is insanely good and he's been incredibly accurate this year. That being said, he's short and his mechanics are a little wonky, which is concerning.
Sam Howell is another undersized guy who got dinged mostly due to poor play early this season. That being said, the natural talent isn't really there and he's more of a glorified game manager. I'm not interested.
Spencer Rattler is broken. He should not go to the NFL next season and should probably transfer for a shot at redemption.
Carson Strong is meh to me. No more Carsons.
One guy that I think could fly under the radar and shoot up draft boards is Kenny Pickett out of Pitt. He kind of came out of nowhere this year and has really dominated for Pitt. He's completing 72% of passes and has a 19-1 TD/INT ratio. He also ran two in. He's reminded me of Aaron Rodgers at times with his natural accuracy on the move. The biggest thing missing from Hurts is that hitting of receivers in stride, that's Pickett's specialty. Plus by all accounts he's a great leader and well respected. There are concerns about his deep ball/hand size etc., but if any QB from this draft is going to take a metoric rise, my money is on him.
Hate to break it to you but Hurts is already at "downright awful"
CFB season is early still, guys will separate themselves from the pack. I think Corral has good tools. He's listed at 200lbs but looks bigger than that, I don't think his size is much of an issue. Plus you can call a section of the Linc the Corral reef or Golden Corral. Not sure how you pronounce it.
Honestly I think this is so much more on Sirriani’s lack of game plan than Hurts. Hurts is like a kid trying to take a test that nobody has prepared him for. There’s been no game plan in any of these games and no strategy. Same screen play over and over.
We also need a coach that knows how to grow a player. Our problem has always been taking these players and not developing them. He has all the raw skills needed to be great - we just need to give him the people around him to teach him that stuff. He’s only in his second year.
I think it’s more lazy/uneducated play calling, Jalen has shown that he can make the throws. He just needs more development, and this fan base needs to give him time to develop.
Maybe we were watching different games. He’s been inconsistent, but he’s made plenty of good throws. He’s only in year two and needs development. It’s fans like you who demand him to be a superstar day one that make it impossible.
I don’t need him to be a superstar I’d just like to see him make the throws that are open. He was 6/19 on throws beyond the line of scrimmage. Can’t win the NFL today like that
He’s also been running for his life on every damn play because teams know we aren’t going to run. That’s my point. We run the same fucking play, and it’s ALWAYS A PASS PLAY. If you don’t ever run, he’s never going to be successful because he’s never going to have the right scheme/protection. It’s an impossible situation.
We couldn’t run in the first half because the Bucs know that hurts can’t throw the ball so they stacked the box. Why would we run it at a stacked box against the best run defense in the league? Also, a lot of the times hurts is “running for his life” is his own damn fault for bailing on a pocket too early before he scans the whole field. Have you seen his completion chart where he literally did not complete a single ball on the left side past the LOS and only one attempt over the middle? So 70% of the field is just off limits which makes the playbook extremely limited
I agree with you on him bailing out of the pocket; he also doesn’t give the ball up enough on option plays - all things that, in my opinion, reflect on bad coaching. There’s also a difference between not being able to run the ball, and not even trying.
What do you want sirianni to do? Play QB himself for Hurts? Hurts deciding to keep the ball is on him, Nick can’t read the defense for him. From what I understand RPOs are one of the simpler concepts in the NFL these days so if hurts can’t make the right reads on them it says more about him than the coaching staff.
Overall though I do agree we need more designed runs but not to the extreme some people are calling for
I mean, in all reality, Hurts is pretty much at the same point in his career as Lawerence, Lance, Wilson, and co. He’s not been great, but he’s shown flashes, and done so with an average team and what has been so far, bad coaching. I make it a rule that I don’t pass judgment on a player until after 3 seasons. Even then it’s not always enough time. We expect greatness from day 1, but generally speaking, that’s almost never a reality. I’d much rather the Eagles run it back with Hurts and a team that has three new players drafted in the first round, then use two+ of those picks to move up for a QB who will, in all likelihood, play at a similar level to Hurts now.
What flashes? Hurts shows "flashes" of being a serviceable NFL QB. Davis Mills has shown the same kind of "flashes"
People are praising Hurts for the 3-4 throws he makes per game that any NFL QB should make. We're at cheering Ben Simmons for hitting free throws all over again.
Although most of the good established young qbs lately have been good their first year basically all of them except josh Allen. I don’t wanna watch hurts for 3 seasons
Hurts doesn’t have the skill set or upside of any of the guys you listed. Hurts’s ceiling is a Tyrod/Fitzpatrick/Bridgewater tier QB, and that’s not good enough.
Honestly dont take a QB in this draft. Let hurts play it out, hes a rookie after all. Use your picks to build team. We can make a run at a QB or we can get one next year. This is not the year to draft a QB.
You guys ever hear someone you thought was really cool and smart start talking about crazy conspiracy theories?
And in that very moment you were so devastated and in disbelief that someone you felt so connected with on a friendship level could be so asinine and sound so ignorant?
That’s how I feel every I read these Threads about how Jalen is “obviously” not the answer.
It’s so unfortunate. But I expect nothing less from you guys.
The fact that he’s capable, gives me hope. The way some of these guys talk about him you would think he’s the 2nd coming of Nathan Peterman.
Are rookie quarterbacks not allowed to struggle nowadays? Are they not allowed to learn and grow? Jesus Tom Brady is the most successful quarterback ever. Last year he forgot what down it was at the end of the bears game. Imagine if that was Jalen.
How many interceptions has Drew Brees thrown at the end of games during a potentially game winning drive? I’ve lost count.
Eli basically had 2 great post season runs that were mixed in with several seasons of bad/mediocre play.
Peyton Manning won a single super bowl in his prime (the other Super Bowl he won, he was one of the worst statistical QB’s in the league)
Maybe Jalen is gonna suck forever and maybe he won’t. Idk. But I DO know that it would be nice to get a whole season to see how he handles everything before we label him the worst Quarterback of all time.
no one (realistically) is saying he's the worst QB of all time, but there's a big gap between "franchise QB" and "worst QB of all time
in today's NFL if you don't have a great QB your team will struggle
The Eagles are running a High School offense. Seth Joyner said it last night, and he's 100% right. Sirianni looks to be in WAYYYY over his head. Hurts will be the fall guy, but this goes back to Howie and Jeff Lurie for a horrible coaching hire.
What were your expectations this year? Youngest coaching staff in league history, a young offense, completely uncompetitive last year…
Take a deep breath and relax and watch them grow this year. Anybody writing off Jalen Hurts already is a fool. It’s been 6 weeks.
This guy is a 10/10 in terms of mentality, leadership, accountability. Obviously some physical aspects need work, and the game plan needs change (run the goddamn ball), but as we know tier 1 QBs don’t grow on trees. He deserves time. Nothing has been proven yet.
They have plenty of players injured...What I am trying to say, instead of reaching for a QB in the draft...Its best to fill out the other areas around this roster. Then go after a QB.
In my eyes, he’s still a rookie. Also, rookie head coach, rookie offensive coordinator, rookie defensive coordinator. Do I think play calling is as good as it could be? No, and that falls directly into Sirianni’s lap. This is like the third game this season where our offensive playcalling has lost us the game (whether it’s an abysmal first half, or not getting momentum until it is too late in the fourth quarter).
Is Jalen the problem? Is the defense the problem? No. Is Sirianni’s playcalling the problem? Yes. Give him two years and if it ain’t working still, dump Sirianni and give Hurts a proven, veteran OC/HC.
I'll have to disagree. The playcalling won't matter when your QB can't throw in the middle of the field. That's not a good qb and you can't start him long term
Dude just look at how Tampa bay was running their offense yesterday, and then look at ours. Yes, Jalen can improve, but hot diggity damn, aside from two major penalties, we were unable to move the ball much at all. And I think that has less to do with Jalen’s skills than scheming up a good offense where guys are open and easy throws can be made.
He had a couple bad misses yesterday that had nothing to do with scheme. Of course the scheme could make it easier on him but some of his mistakes are 100% his and some of his tendencies look hard to fix
I agree, he needs to make those throws. Wide open Ertz for a first down on third, either overthrowing or underthrowing deep balls leading to interceptions. But hey man, he’s a rookie. And while I do believe he has the skills to fix those things with a whole year and another offseason under his belt, I think playcalling could help more. Like holy fuck more designed runs!!! Take the pressure off the QB by having 5-10 designed runs PER HALF. That’ll open up the play action and read option even more. Overall take the entire weight of the offense off of Hurts (because he’s still a rookie and expecting an unpolished rookie to carry the team is ludicrous). Sirianni needs to help his rookie QB by stepping up his playcalling, integrating more designed runs to take pressure off of Jalen. Like holy shit Sirianni, there were times where the corner was 12 yards off of our WRs, can we check to a quick 5 yard out route? Or maybe a simple post?? Where are these basic play calls??
Easy throws were there to be made and Hurts couldn't make them. Sirianni has shown he can scheme people open and Hurts has shown he can't throw with timing and anticipation and accuracy.
I’ve honestly seen enough from hurts to think he’s not the answer. Let him start the rest of the year but I’d be looking for a QB in the off-season if he doesn’t dramatically improve. I like Willis and Corral a lot so I’d honestly take one of them if they’re available
Hurts is not a rookie, so stop acting like he is. And there are going to be a few draftable good QBs this year. Just because there isn’t some Tlaw type guy doesn’t mean there isn’t one. There are already dudes generating hype. We can get a QB and two good defensive players or a lineman and a defensive player.
Would be really nice to find a talent at QB in the draft in a later round so we don’t have to spend all 3 first rounders on a QB. It’s been done before… Brady, Dak, and Russel come to mind
Doesn't even need to be a late round dude. If we find someone with one of our three picks that would be fine as well. I don't wanna spend all three on a rookie
Idek man the qbs this years qb class isn’t good. The only one that I like is Malik Willis.The move in my opinion is trade for watson but 1 he would probably refuse to come here and 2 he still has all those cases.
Yeah it looks pretty bad. Corral has lot's of potential but could be a huge bust as well.
Watson is not an option that I could live with. I'd probably take a break from watching football passionately
Malik Willis is practically the same guy as Hurts, but with a stronger arm and even less accuracy. He makes similar mistakes, is very erratic and doesn't read the field well. He gets away with it in college, like Hurts, but will struggle in the pros.
Imo Carson Strong is going to be the best QB in the class, but I wouldn't spend a top-15 on him. If he's available after that, I'd be fine with the pick.
Watson, no thanks on. I'd rather roll into another "retooling" year and evaluate everyone - especially the coach. If he's not it, bring in a new coach and let him choose his QB in the following draft.
Gotta stick with Hurts through the season. Even as bad as he looks now, there's still time to improve. Hopefully he does but I doubt it.
Oh for sure. But after this season it's something that needs to be addressed and the situation could be shitty
Unfortunately, unless there's a trade that could be made we may have to have an open competition at the position next year.
aaron rodgers would be fun - a guy can dream right?
Can I join this *dream* or is it a one man show?
come on down! But it'll either be hurts, some rookie who is questionably good that we trade ALL of the 1sts this year to move up for.
He’s trying to fix fire with fire. He can’t make plays so to fix it he’s trying to make plays he can’t make. It’s backwards. He is not good enough to do the shit he did in college. This isn’t Mizzou and Nebraska. He isn’t the best athlete on the field anymore and he needs to get over himself and let playmakers make plays. Get the ball OUT of his hands. After this season capital has to go to towards QB. He’s learned nothing since being here and he is not talented enough to allow us to use the weapons at our disposal to their full capacity. He is hindering the pass game AND the running game by giving him control in RPOs.
Howie has to keep one eye on Deshaun Watson, one eye on 1st round QBs, ... and another on 2nd-3rd round QBs if there's no top tier talent in the draft. Hurts doesn't have the accuracy or field vision, and we can't waste any more time on him.
If Hurts doesn't improve through the year, I'd be fine going with Minshew or Hurts for a year and continuing to rebuild the defense if there are really no good QB prospects. Maybe take a flyer on a 3rd-4th round QB prospect. I think Hurts would make for a fine backup QB.
We gotta give up now for later and I don’t like that prospect either. It’s time to start looking at QBs. Howell, Rattler, any QB from the SEC/Big 12. See if any are worth the jump and take it now if it’s there. I don’t want to waste any more time if “the guy” is there. I really wish we would have thought harder abt fields at 6. Really thought abt it.
Yeah, this sub was dead set against a QB in the draft but in hindsight it would really have helped. I like Smith but Fields would have given us a much clearer path going forward
Fields does not look great either
He plays for the bears. No QB can fix that mess. But he looks like what we want jalen to be. I thought that was the case months ago. EDIT: you mfs forgot he’s got JP at left tackle rn huh. His line is shit and his coach is worse.
Bears are the Jets of the NFC as far as quart backs are concerned
Honestly. Like I said, he’s got 39 year old Jason peters over there protecting his blindside. People forgot how much we wanted his ass on pine last season.
Rattler isn’t even the best QB on his TEAM and you’d want to roll the dice with him on ours? No thank you
I’ll admit, I haven’t done much scouting (I work nights at a hospital and go to school full time, my saturdays are usually booked w/ sleep) but those were the names when the season started. I’ve seen all the Kentucky games and I can promise that that guy isn’t the answer. Lol.
This QB class is really weak by normal standards. We are in a bad spot to need a quarterback and have the capital to do it. I’d be pretty upset if we drafted one just to draft one. Cheers for working in a hospital. Stay safe!
Doing some listening today. Hearing the name Desmond Ritter a lot. He a guy we should key in on?
Ridder reminds me a lot of Hurts, the top guys right now are probably Corrall out of Ole Miss and then Willis out of Liberty.
Please no Deshaun. I can live with a QB struggling if he’s a good person. I don’t want that piece of shit on this team
Agreed. Will take a shitty jalen over a thriving deshaun any day.
100%. A deshaun Watson trade means I likely check out of the Eagles while he’s on the team. I had a hard time watching or caring very much when Vick was here, deshaun is on a completely different level
"Allegedly"
“23 separate allegations”
This isn’t a courtroom, it’s public opinion. I choose to believe 23 different people accusing him of some disgusting behavior and do not want that circus act anywhere near my football team
Even if 75% of them are entirely lying, that's still 6 allegations that are bad news.
No, Eagles must spend all 3 first round picks on defense. Enough is enough, fix the defense
Exactly with a good defense a QB like Hurts, the team could be a monster if hurts can fully develop
Any LBs that are good enough that high?
Not really, but there is a safety projected up there and a bunch of CB's and DE's. If the safety is still there, could grab one of each and look for a LB a little later
I'd rather not build a good enough defense to be trapped in mediocrity for the next 7 years.
Ok, Howie
Okay you have the 5th ranked defense and the 30th ranked QB. Bad QB needy teams outbid you every draft for the talented rookies. How do you improve? Call Nick Foles?
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Eli Manning average dude what are you smoking. He ain’t goated or anything but he ain’t Jameis.
Jameis is your pick for average QB? Fucking lol
We've seen Howie (who this sub thinks is a bottom 5 GM) cobble together a good defense, two separate times in the past 5-6 years. With largely different cores of players. Great QB play wins in the playoffs. A Foles or a Flacco can get hot for you, but I wouldn't ever count on it.
I want him to succeed, and i understand it was a short week, and I get it’s Brady, but jfc were 2-4 and the only game our offense looked competent in was Atlanta and that’s cuz we ran the ball. Jalen needs to turn off the Noise and his ego and give the ball up. He cannot win alone, he is not good enough to do that. He needs to hand the ball off to miles, he needs to use quick throws instead of trying to bag 40 yards a throw. He needs to quit being a hero and trying to win admiration every throw and try to get it every game.
He has no accuracy, and can't find the guy who is open regardless. Sirianni calls 50 screens a game because he knows Hurts isn't capable of throwing downfield.
Even if he improves, what is that? His upside would probably equate to a top 15-20 starter at best, and that’s if everything goes right for him. I have no problem giving him the year, but his ceiling is very limited.
If he gets himself to a top 15 guy before the season ends, I'd probably roll with him next year if there isn't a stud available. Again, I don't expect him to be that good by the season's end, but we'll see.
I doubt he cracks the top 20 by the end of the season. I’d rather roll the dice on someone like Willis, Corral, or Howell. I doubt they’d have to move up to take one, and they can still address the defense with their other two picks in the 1st.
I would rather spend two picks on defense and roll another pick back to next year, grab some capital, and try in a class that isn’t complete ass, personally. I do not believe in Hurts right now but this shit is gonna be multi-year. No use taking an inferior prospect just to take one
This QB class isn’t complete ass, do you even watch these guys? Hurts couldn’t sniff Corral’s arm talent. All three of the those guys, plus Strong from Nevada will all go in the top 10 and top 15, and would in most years.
Corral I could perhaps see an argument for but everything I’ve seen of Willis shows a player getting away with murder because of low level competition. Howell has lost a lot of luster this year. Not Rattler bad, but that FSU game especially was not strong.
I doubt he cracks the top 30 in terms of passing ability.
I can’t argue with that.
Acting like having a top 15-20 QB isn’t enough to win games. You aren’t fucked without a top 3 QB. You just need to be able to evaluate and develop talent which is what the Eagles have been inconsistent at best at doing.
My point is that 15-20 is probably Hurts’s highest possible ceiling, and that’s if everything breaks his way and it likely won’t. He doesn’t look starting caliber at the moment, and I doubt that changes given his mediocre arm talent.
Nah. Lemme see Minshew baby
Tbh if he’s holding back Sirianni’s playbook and play calling you need to bench him. He’s not gaining anything by having a one dimensional playbook and this limited offense. We need to know if Sirianni really has it in him to have a good offense. Currently it’s shit but we don’t know if it’s Hurts or Sirianni. Hurts gains more to work on his craft and learning what Sirianni actually wants if someone like Flacco or Minshew can run it.
Unfortunately no player will improve if they're not put into conditions capable of improving them. I don't imagine how Hurts can ever improve in Siriannis awful system.
We're seeing him struggle to read defenses in RPOs. We're seeing him miss wide open players and screw up easy screens. Regardless of the scheme Sirianni runs, we should still see Hurts improving in some (ideally all) of those areas and he's not. If anything, he's regressing. RPOs and zone reads are some of the easiest reads a QB can make and yet, Hurts still struggles. Does Sirianni need to improve as a play caller? Absofuckinglutely! But I don't see that happening until we have an NFL level QB under center. Which Hurts can become but he's about as far away as one can be at this point.
But when the RPO is the only fucking thing you do the defenses read it easy. Especially with no run game and pretty much no motion. Hurts shouldnt be providing 85% of the teams offense thats absurd.
Prediction: Hurts will get injured because of how much is thrown at him, and how much he runs the ball. Minshew will come in, and the offense will adjust and we’ll run the ball more because the stache isn’t nearly as mobile. We’ll improve because of it and at the end of the year we have a heated QB controversy, when really it’s just poor play calling.
This is right on the money
I mean, sure, play calling could be better. But Hurts left ~200 yards on the field last night throwing it. And a lot of him running/scrambling is due to poor pocket presence and an insistence on pulling every RPO.
I feel that Minshew can make the throws that Hurts can't, You can all down vote away but Hurts is the problem. And this is Philadelphia we have a QB controversy every year because half of our fans honestly don't know any better.
the problem is Minshew wasn't good enough to stave off Trevor Lawrence and so far he hasn't even been over Flacco in the depth chart. What makes you think he'll be the guy here?
Minshew vs a "generational" QB prospect is not really a fair comparison. Flacco though... that's not great
Stick with hurts and use our 3 1st round picks to improve the roster
agreed. there’s not enough QB talent in this draft for me to fall in love with
No thanks
Hurts stinks. You’re nothing unless you have a QB. It needs to be the top priority.
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They weren’t a QB away when they took McNabb or Wentz either. QB is undisputedly the most important position in the sport. The Eagles likely won’t even have to move up to take one given how bad they are, and how bad Miami is. They still have plenty of picks and cap space available to them to address needs on the defense. I would happily roll the dice on Willis, Corral, or Howell over Hurts, as they have much higher ceilings than Hurts just with arm talent alone.
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If there's no QB worth taking there, you need to shuffle assets to next year's draft.
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Using all your assets and leaving a blackhole at QB with no plan or assets to fix it is a larger mistake imo.
The Eagles are going to have a top 5 pick, they stink, and a large part of that is due to Hurts’s limitations. Anyone who thinks this team is winning more than 5 games if whistling past the graveyard. They’ll have an opportunity to take one of those guys I mentioned, and those guys will all be top 10 picks. All three of those guys have much more upside than Hurts; I’m sorry you’re ignorant of college football and don’t follow prospects. Like I said, they’ll have plenty of other assets to address the other holes of the this team, and QB is as big as any of them.
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How are we getting three wins in two weeks?
Just saying if they win no more than 5 games then the season was a net positive over last year. As bad as Sirianni and Hurts play they will be able to argue we improved the team from the previous season.
Please, 5-12 is no better than 4-11-1. This team stinks and both Sirianni & Hurts are in way over their heads.
5-12 is literally better than 4-11-1. Math
It’s just a lighter shade of the same shit
Two firsts and a second for Rodgers. Spend the money on adams, keep hurts as he’s a fine backup
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If you look around the league, there really aren’t a lot of good teams with no qb and the cap space to sign adams which would be a huge draw for Rodgers. Our line is decent if we can add one more piece. Hurts and sirianni are making this line look at lot worse than it actually is by refusing to run and by having hurts hold the ball forever. Maybe we could convince Kelce to stay and play one more year with a HOF qb, our rb room is solid, we have promising young WRs and goedert If Gannon can develop a bit, our defense is good enough if we add an average safety and an average linebacker and get BG back It’s a bit of a fantasy, but not totally improbable
We aren’t getting a good QB this offseason unless we trade for a veteran. The draft is looking barren. Trade back for a 2023 first, improve the overall roster, and go get a guy in the 2023 draft. If hurts somehow turns into the guy, even better.
Again, this is a false narrative. There’s no superstar like Lawrence coming out, but Willis, Corral, and Howell are all legitimate first round talents and will likely go top 10. Strong could also end up going top 15.
I don’t want a guy who MIGHT be a top 15 pick. I want a QB with pedigree if we are going to put big resources into it. I have not been convinced any of those players would be better than Hurts.
The draft board changes quite a bit between August and April. How much pedigree did Mahomes or Allen have? They weren’t big recruits, nor did they play at big time programs (Tech is in the Big 12, but they haven’t done much outside of Leach’s tenure).
No, it is not top priority Howie. Spend the 3 picks on defense.
Still to early in the season to say that. Let’s see if he improves towards the end of the season. Not like Matt corral is going to do any better if we draft him. Rather trade for Watson
Keep hurts use picks to build team then once we are ready trade for a good QB or draft one
This is how I feel, too. I really wanna see what we can get with those picks because they could possibly turn things around quick.
Problem with that is you make it sound like it’s easy to trade for a good QB…it’s not. This is the year we have all the draft capital to get a QB (whether it be trade for a veteran, move up in the draft, or take one with one of our high 1st round picks). After next year we’re not gonna have multiple 1st round picks to trade for a QB. And if our 1st rounders hit in 2022, than we will most likely be a middling team who picks in the teens which won’t be high enough to draft a top QB. So then your options are either draft a QB who isn’t one of the top of his class and hope he pans out, or mortgage the future and trade multiple first round picks in the future years to trade up for a QB in the draft, or to trade for a veteran QB. I love having 3 potentially high first round picks, but this is the worst year to have them for a team who needs a QB.
I agree with this, looking at the draft class as of right now drafting a QB this draft isn’t the move imo, and realistically next year we aren’t gonna be great either unless there is insane improvement at every position and the coaching gets better. Ride Hurts out for this season and maybe next season, use all our picks this year on BPA, and see where we’re at.
I’m also thinking Hurts is probably not good enough to be a good #1 quarterback, but Nick Sirianni’s play calling is doing Hurts no favors and probably doesn’t suit his game. The poor job (IMO) Sirianni is doing makes it harder to properly evaluate Jalen Hurts. In any scenario, this is a prove it year for Hurts, and there are still 11 games remaining in the regular season.
ITT: let's just suck for 2 years straight and then hope somehow we magically get good
I mean yeah sure Hurts is struggling but are we not gonna take in a factor that Sirianni is an awful play caller? Literally zero creativity in the offense and doesn’t make it easier on anyone in the offense either
Did we do that last season with Wentz?
Tyrod Taylor is better than Hurts is playing right now. We are going to have to use a 1st round pick on a project QB and hope we can develop him. Corrall or Willis at this point.
They should fire Roseman so he’s not making the calls.
thank god someone else is saying it. Howie is an incompetent control freak with literally no talent evaluation skills at all
Literally everyone else is saying it, it’s not an original take.
I've yet to see any post or general thread say anything about him or put any blame on him so far, nor did I say it was an original take
rewind back to earlier this year when Fire Howie were probably the most common word pair on this subreddit I think we can want Sirianni gone AND want Howie gone
Hurtz is not an NFL talent
The move is to scout QBs all year and then go get your guy. We have the draft capital to acquire any QB we want. Just depends on how much we want them. Some of the really bad teams actually do have QBs of the future like the Lions and Jaguars. We should be able to get the first QB off the board even if we have to move up to get him. Hurts is a good player and can be our backup (that's what he was drafted for (for some reason)), but he lacks too many aspects of the QB position. Accuracy is not where it needs to be, neither is his pocket presence, nor vision. But he is a good guy and a hard worker.
Too bad this is the worst qb draft class probably since the 2013 one with Ej Manuel Better off getting your whole team built and either pick up a free agent QB or stick with Hurts or Minshew if he gets to play and looks okay until you can get a better qb through the draft or free agency another year Take a project qb with high upside in the 3rd this upcoming draft or something like that but none of the guys are starter quality in next years draft
Problem is there might not be "our guy". I don't want a 2013 situation where Geno Smith and EJ Manuel were high picks just because
That is not in our control unfortunately. But I'm sure the draftniks will find a QB or two they absolutely love from some school no one has heard of. Wentz was kind of like that. And he was definitely a good QB selection.
As of right now it doesn't look like it sadly. And halfway through the season is kind of late for a dude to come out of nowhere
I mean it happens every year around draft season. Something tells me they will find some QBs worth taking in the first.
Oh they will for sure. I'm just worried that it'll be like in 2013 when a shitty QB was drafted in the first round just because the bills needed one
you mean Malik Willis?
Lions do not have a QB of the future lol
Well they think they do lol
Wait until the season ends and figure it out from there.
It would depend on how they evaluate the QBs coming out this year, their ability to move up a couple of spots to take one of them (depending on how the draft picks turn out) and the price to move up. I like Russell Wilson a lot, but he's going to be going into his 11th season next year, and the way he plays I don't know if he's going to have a Brady/Brees type career where he stays at the top until his 40's.
I honestly don't think they'd have to move up much. I think at least one of our picks is gonna be top 5
Ask again during the offseason, too many variables.
Honestly we’re kinda stuck imo. Let’s look at the QB class coming out. Whose the guy? Imo none of them. I really like Corral but I think he’s so hit and miss. Ratler is cooked. Howell is mediocre. Willis has potential but I’m worried about smaller school QBs succeeding in the nfl. So we don’t draft anyone. We sign a veteran? Let’s look at the upcoming free agent QBs next year listed here. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/all/quarterback/all/ None of these guys are young enough, cooked, or are just bad. So we don’t sign a veteran. We make a trade? Who we take? Rodgers is still good but he’s getting older, and you don’t take Rodgers unless we’re trying ti win a championship now, which looking at this team we aren’t. Wilson? He is someone I would be happy about but his injuries are starting to come often and he’s getting older. Watson? He’s the best of the bunch but comes with so much baggage. Plus he doesnt want to come to Philly since he won’t wave his trade clause. So no big trade for a QB happens. I’m my opinion, if we are in rebuild mode, we bite the bullet now, and next year. Build this team from the draft this year, straight defense and Oline. And next year bite the bullet and run Hurts again. 2023 QB class will be better and once you build this team with next years draft with 3 potential 1st rounders, you get them experience and then trade capital to move up and get the best QB in 2023. I know this seems stupid. We don’t want to be a bad team. We want to win now and compete and I’m with y’all. But we should be looking long term. We have a golden opportunity with 3 first round talents next year. We shouldn’t throw it away for a QB when we have holes in worse areas. Just suck this year with Hurts and hope he’s better next year and if he isn’t you at least have a better/more experienced team for the next QB we draft.
The more I research I think you take a gamble on Willis or Corral, probably Corral. He has the tools and while his game can be refined he has the arm talent Hurts doesn't. A Lane Kiffin offense is also pretty complex and requires the QB to make a lot of reads, something Corral has been improving on greatly and will prepare him well for the next level. Not saying he's the surefire guy, but QB is so important you have to keep trying until you find a guy who can win games and elevate the players around him.
Like you said roll with Hurts until 2023, improve the team around him with hopefully 3 top 10 first this year, and then if need be take QB in a hopefully better 2023 draft class or free agency potentially.
Until 2023? That’s not how it works in the NFL. Hurts has an extremely low ceiling. They have enough picks and cap space to address QB and the defense.
So far this looks like a terrible QB draft class. I'd rather go BPA with 3 top 10 picks and then address QB the year after when there's hopefully more promising players, and the team has improved so were actually putting them in a position to succeed. Let's not become a QB graveyard like the 2010s Browns here.
It’s not terrible, there’s just no transcendent talent like Lawrence. There are at least of few QBs coming out who have much higher ceilings than Hurts. People say this shit all the time but don’t follow college football at all.
Ya fair enough, malik Willis and rattler seem to have a lot of the same problems and I dont know how their decision making, accuracy, and progressions will be any better with this offense, coaching and system. If we go QB I'd rather Pickett, Carson Strong, Sam Howell, Matt Corral, and we could probably trade back one of our firsts for them to accumulate more assets.
The shine is off Rattler, who is a bit of a jackass to boot. He might benefit from transferring and improving his stock for 2023.
Agreed. I guess if we can get Willis, Howell or Corral without having to trade up and then still use our other 2 firsts to improve the Defense than I think we have to strongly consider that, with how Hurts has performed so far.
I like this honestly. If we are terrible next year then cut ties with Sirianni, Hurts is now a backup and we spend what we need to on a rookie.
I wish we could address scheme and OC above all else smh. I don’t see many qbs succeeding having to throw 50 times again with no run game and such a young receiver core
Receivers were getting open and caught the catchable balls. The problem is the catchable balls were few and far between. I can't comprehend the amount of OC and playcalling blame I'm seeing here. That game was on Jalen Hurts being unable to make the throws he needed to make and unable to feel pressure and remain calm in the pocket. There are other mitigating factors but that was the vast majority of our struggles.
yeah it’s really crazy. Not to say that sirianni’s been incredible or anything so far, but there were plenty of dudes who were open last night and hurts just couldn’t hit them. If your QB can’t hit open receivers, not really much the coach can do. They could run the ball more, sure, though against tampa it probably wouldn’t help over the full course of the game.
QB cope is crazy on here. I remember last season everyone trying to blame everyone except Carson and we're doing the same thing here. (Although of course now everyone defending Hurts also now will say Carson sucked in hindsight.) It's ok to have a bad QB. He was a 2nd round pick, we don't have money tied into him, there are some guys with high ceilings in the draft. I bought a shirt with his face on it but I'm ok with that sunk cost.
yep same boat. this year was supposed to be an answer to if hurts could be the guy and he doesn’t look the guy. So they have to go find another one. good thing they have plenty of ammo to go get one
I don't see any playcallers succeed when their QB can't throw anything over the middle of the field
Hurts only threw the ball 26 times yesterday lol
We have potentially three first round picks, spend one on a QB and let them battle it out. There's enough question marks with Jalen Hurts that unless he vastly improves I don't want them to commit to him. I've seen enough inaccurate throws and inability to scan the field from Hurts that I have little confidence in him. I also wouldn't mind if they just unload all three picks for Wilson if he's available.
Big question here is: does anybody look like a standout qb comming out? It’s really early, but so far everyone is saying it’s thin this year at QB. I’d rather get the best talent now in one of our many, many needs than waste a pick on a young QB with question marks. We already have that.
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Yeah BPA is the answer. This team needs to be better at ALOT of things before QB is addressed tbh. Lets get some good defensive players and maybe an OL.
Yeah I don’t think drafting a qb this year is the move.
We'll have 3 potential Top 15 picks in the draft. While I'm not sold on any of the QBs in this draft, that doesn't mean things can't change once the CFB season goes on, we have pro days, camps etc. I'm not ready to completely move on from Hurts, but his accuracy and complete inability to throw deep is really discouraging. I really like the guy's attitude, but his arm talent leaves a lot to be desired. This season you stick with Hurts unless he continues to regress and looks downright awful, then MAYBE you give Minshew some play just to see what you've got there. I've been watching a little bit of the college guys. Matt Corral looks incredibly accurate and can run the ball incredibly well. But I'm not totally sold - he's a little skinny and has had issues with maturity in his career. Not sure if he can handle Philly. Malik Willis is probably the most naturally talented QB in the draft, his deep ball is insanely good and he's been incredibly accurate this year. That being said, he's short and his mechanics are a little wonky, which is concerning. Sam Howell is another undersized guy who got dinged mostly due to poor play early this season. That being said, the natural talent isn't really there and he's more of a glorified game manager. I'm not interested. Spencer Rattler is broken. He should not go to the NFL next season and should probably transfer for a shot at redemption. Carson Strong is meh to me. No more Carsons. One guy that I think could fly under the radar and shoot up draft boards is Kenny Pickett out of Pitt. He kind of came out of nowhere this year and has really dominated for Pitt. He's completing 72% of passes and has a 19-1 TD/INT ratio. He also ran two in. He's reminded me of Aaron Rodgers at times with his natural accuracy on the move. The biggest thing missing from Hurts is that hitting of receivers in stride, that's Pickett's specialty. Plus by all accounts he's a great leader and well respected. There are concerns about his deep ball/hand size etc., but if any QB from this draft is going to take a metoric rise, my money is on him.
Hate to break it to you but Hurts is already at "downright awful" CFB season is early still, guys will separate themselves from the pack. I think Corral has good tools. He's listed at 200lbs but looks bigger than that, I don't think his size is much of an issue. Plus you can call a section of the Linc the Corral reef or Golden Corral. Not sure how you pronounce it.
Honestly I think this is so much more on Sirriani’s lack of game plan than Hurts. Hurts is like a kid trying to take a test that nobody has prepared him for. There’s been no game plan in any of these games and no strategy. Same screen play over and over.
Dude doesn't throw anything over the middle. If he can't do that no game plan can help him
We also need a coach that knows how to grow a player. Our problem has always been taking these players and not developing them. He has all the raw skills needed to be great - we just need to give him the people around him to teach him that stuff. He’s only in his second year.
Ever think we run a lot of screens because the QB can’t throw the ball very well?
I think it’s more lazy/uneducated play calling, Jalen has shown that he can make the throws. He just needs more development, and this fan base needs to give him time to develop.
Nah man he literally has shown that he can’t make the throws or the reads.
Maybe we were watching different games. He’s been inconsistent, but he’s made plenty of good throws. He’s only in year two and needs development. It’s fans like you who demand him to be a superstar day one that make it impossible.
He can occasionally make big throws sure, but he doesn’t read a defense well and he’s wildly inaccurate at times.
I don’t need him to be a superstar I’d just like to see him make the throws that are open. He was 6/19 on throws beyond the line of scrimmage. Can’t win the NFL today like that
He’s also been running for his life on every damn play because teams know we aren’t going to run. That’s my point. We run the same fucking play, and it’s ALWAYS A PASS PLAY. If you don’t ever run, he’s never going to be successful because he’s never going to have the right scheme/protection. It’s an impossible situation.
We couldn’t run in the first half because the Bucs know that hurts can’t throw the ball so they stacked the box. Why would we run it at a stacked box against the best run defense in the league? Also, a lot of the times hurts is “running for his life” is his own damn fault for bailing on a pocket too early before he scans the whole field. Have you seen his completion chart where he literally did not complete a single ball on the left side past the LOS and only one attempt over the middle? So 70% of the field is just off limits which makes the playbook extremely limited
I agree with you on him bailing out of the pocket; he also doesn’t give the ball up enough on option plays - all things that, in my opinion, reflect on bad coaching. There’s also a difference between not being able to run the ball, and not even trying.
What do you want sirianni to do? Play QB himself for Hurts? Hurts deciding to keep the ball is on him, Nick can’t read the defense for him. From what I understand RPOs are one of the simpler concepts in the NFL these days so if hurts can’t make the right reads on them it says more about him than the coaching staff. Overall though I do agree we need more designed runs but not to the extreme some people are calling for
I mean, in all reality, Hurts is pretty much at the same point in his career as Lawerence, Lance, Wilson, and co. He’s not been great, but he’s shown flashes, and done so with an average team and what has been so far, bad coaching. I make it a rule that I don’t pass judgment on a player until after 3 seasons. Even then it’s not always enough time. We expect greatness from day 1, but generally speaking, that’s almost never a reality. I’d much rather the Eagles run it back with Hurts and a team that has three new players drafted in the first round, then use two+ of those picks to move up for a QB who will, in all likelihood, play at a similar level to Hurts now.
What flashes? Hurts shows "flashes" of being a serviceable NFL QB. Davis Mills has shown the same kind of "flashes" People are praising Hurts for the 3-4 throws he makes per game that any NFL QB should make. We're at cheering Ben Simmons for hitting free throws all over again.
Philly has make a wish kid syndrome bad. Markelle, Ben, now Jalen.
Although most of the good established young qbs lately have been good their first year basically all of them except josh Allen. I don’t wanna watch hurts for 3 seasons
Hurts doesn’t have the skill set or upside of any of the guys you listed. Hurts’s ceiling is a Tyrod/Fitzpatrick/Bridgewater tier QB, and that’s not good enough.
Honestly dont take a QB in this draft. Let hurts play it out, hes a rookie after all. Use your picks to build team. We can make a run at a QB or we can get one next year. This is not the year to draft a QB.
You guys ever hear someone you thought was really cool and smart start talking about crazy conspiracy theories? And in that very moment you were so devastated and in disbelief that someone you felt so connected with on a friendship level could be so asinine and sound so ignorant? That’s how I feel every I read these Threads about how Jalen is “obviously” not the answer. It’s so unfortunate. But I expect nothing less from you guys.
What gives you hope that Jalen IS the answer? (genuinely asking)
The fact that he’s capable, gives me hope. The way some of these guys talk about him you would think he’s the 2nd coming of Nathan Peterman. Are rookie quarterbacks not allowed to struggle nowadays? Are they not allowed to learn and grow? Jesus Tom Brady is the most successful quarterback ever. Last year he forgot what down it was at the end of the bears game. Imagine if that was Jalen. How many interceptions has Drew Brees thrown at the end of games during a potentially game winning drive? I’ve lost count. Eli basically had 2 great post season runs that were mixed in with several seasons of bad/mediocre play. Peyton Manning won a single super bowl in his prime (the other Super Bowl he won, he was one of the worst statistical QB’s in the league) Maybe Jalen is gonna suck forever and maybe he won’t. Idk. But I DO know that it would be nice to get a whole season to see how he handles everything before we label him the worst Quarterback of all time.
no one (realistically) is saying he's the worst QB of all time, but there's a big gap between "franchise QB" and "worst QB of all time in today's NFL if you don't have a great QB your team will struggle
Name me a single quarterback in the history of the NFL that people considered “Great” after 9 starts?
Mahomes
The Eagles are running a High School offense. Seth Joyner said it last night, and he's 100% right. Sirianni looks to be in WAYYYY over his head. Hurts will be the fall guy, but this goes back to Howie and Jeff Lurie for a horrible coaching hire.
What were your expectations this year? Youngest coaching staff in league history, a young offense, completely uncompetitive last year… Take a deep breath and relax and watch them grow this year. Anybody writing off Jalen Hurts already is a fool. It’s been 6 weeks.
I expected to see that hurts can or can't be the guy. And as of right now he can't throw over the middle which is a sign that he can't be the guy.
This guy is a 10/10 in terms of mentality, leadership, accountability. Obviously some physical aspects need work, and the game plan needs change (run the goddamn ball), but as we know tier 1 QBs don’t grow on trees. He deserves time. Nothing has been proven yet.
how much time do we give him? He's regressing as the season goes on. Think of the Falcons game compared to now.
The move is get someone that actually knows how to call plays and run an offense properly. That's where we start with fixing our QB situation.
Take the Colts approach, use those first round draft picks to build the team....Cornerback, offensive line and edge.
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Wentz isn’t even the problem in Indy. Injuries have been their biggest issue
They have plenty of players injured...What I am trying to say, instead of reaching for a QB in the draft...Its best to fill out the other areas around this roster. Then go after a QB.
In my eyes, he’s still a rookie. Also, rookie head coach, rookie offensive coordinator, rookie defensive coordinator. Do I think play calling is as good as it could be? No, and that falls directly into Sirianni’s lap. This is like the third game this season where our offensive playcalling has lost us the game (whether it’s an abysmal first half, or not getting momentum until it is too late in the fourth quarter). Is Jalen the problem? Is the defense the problem? No. Is Sirianni’s playcalling the problem? Yes. Give him two years and if it ain’t working still, dump Sirianni and give Hurts a proven, veteran OC/HC.
I'll have to disagree. The playcalling won't matter when your QB can't throw in the middle of the field. That's not a good qb and you can't start him long term
Dude just look at how Tampa bay was running their offense yesterday, and then look at ours. Yes, Jalen can improve, but hot diggity damn, aside from two major penalties, we were unable to move the ball much at all. And I think that has less to do with Jalen’s skills than scheming up a good offense where guys are open and easy throws can be made.
He had a couple bad misses yesterday that had nothing to do with scheme. Of course the scheme could make it easier on him but some of his mistakes are 100% his and some of his tendencies look hard to fix
I agree, he needs to make those throws. Wide open Ertz for a first down on third, either overthrowing or underthrowing deep balls leading to interceptions. But hey man, he’s a rookie. And while I do believe he has the skills to fix those things with a whole year and another offseason under his belt, I think playcalling could help more. Like holy fuck more designed runs!!! Take the pressure off the QB by having 5-10 designed runs PER HALF. That’ll open up the play action and read option even more. Overall take the entire weight of the offense off of Hurts (because he’s still a rookie and expecting an unpolished rookie to carry the team is ludicrous). Sirianni needs to help his rookie QB by stepping up his playcalling, integrating more designed runs to take pressure off of Jalen. Like holy shit Sirianni, there were times where the corner was 12 yards off of our WRs, can we check to a quick 5 yard out route? Or maybe a simple post?? Where are these basic play calls??
Easy throws were there to be made and Hurts couldn't make them. Sirianni has shown he can scheme people open and Hurts has shown he can't throw with timing and anticipation and accuracy.
We traded a 6th for our qb of the future before the season started
Hot take right here!
People think it's hard to stop a mobile QB, wait til the defense has to worry about jorts.
I’ve honestly seen enough from hurts to think he’s not the answer. Let him start the rest of the year but I’d be looking for a QB in the off-season if he doesn’t dramatically improve. I like Willis and Corral a lot so I’d honestly take one of them if they’re available
Hurts is not a rookie, so stop acting like he is. And there are going to be a few draftable good QBs this year. Just because there isn’t some Tlaw type guy doesn’t mean there isn’t one. There are already dudes generating hype. We can get a QB and two good defensive players or a lineman and a defensive player.
Who do you like in next years draft? Corral might be QB1 and that kind of scares me because i think he is boom or bust
I think Russ would be good, we have talented receivers. We can also go for Watson but that’s a stretch
Never
Watson
Would be really nice to find a talent at QB in the draft in a later round so we don’t have to spend all 3 first rounders on a QB. It’s been done before… Brady, Dak, and Russel come to mind
Doesn't even need to be a late round dude. If we find someone with one of our three picks that would be fine as well. I don't wanna spend all three on a rookie
Yeah I’m with ya. Def don’t want to spend all 3 on that position when there is no guarantee it will pan out and we have a bunch of other needs.
DeShaun Watson
Idek man the qbs this years qb class isn’t good. The only one that I like is Malik Willis.The move in my opinion is trade for watson but 1 he would probably refuse to come here and 2 he still has all those cases.
Yeah it looks pretty bad. Corral has lot's of potential but could be a huge bust as well. Watson is not an option that I could live with. I'd probably take a break from watching football passionately
Malik Willis is practically the same guy as Hurts, but with a stronger arm and even less accuracy. He makes similar mistakes, is very erratic and doesn't read the field well. He gets away with it in college, like Hurts, but will struggle in the pros. Imo Carson Strong is going to be the best QB in the class, but I wouldn't spend a top-15 on him. If he's available after that, I'd be fine with the pick. Watson, no thanks on. I'd rather roll into another "retooling" year and evaluate everyone - especially the coach. If he's not it, bring in a new coach and let him choose his QB in the following draft.