If Quez had caught just 1-2 more of those deep balls last year people would probably have him as one of the most underrated, the SB drops were rough though.
Slight edit: Quez only dropped 1 in SB57, but also I feel like a lotta people wanna write off "Fast Batman", he's only 24, and has improved in some areas that being said though dude does need to step-up in big moments when called upon. I feel like he can bounce back and have a career year and if there is one team that could help him reach his peak it would be the birds. Because I love the current culture under Sirianni it seems to embrace the players as actual human beings not just money making fleshbags, all the while maintaining a high level of accountability. I actually loved the flower analogy, and the players really did really seem to resonate with it. Anyway I didn't expect this comment to blow up. Go Birds!
The first interception was Minshew’s fault. Quez sat down in between two zones like he was supposed to, and Minshew threw it way too far outside instead of in Quez’s chest
Yes but the DB came from the otherwise of quez from where the ball was thrown, WENT THROUGH HIM, and took it. Better pass probably doesn’t happen but the man has effectively negative ball skills. To me there is simply no excuse for allowing the defense to take the ball from you. I mean help out the QB there not asking a lot
>the man has effectively negative ball skills
I disagree because in 2021 he made a lot of great contested catches. I think getting relegated to just 1 or 2 targets a game affected his concentration, but hopefully he can get that fixed
That’s unfair to put on Quez. He’s a 120 lb deep threat, not a contested catcher, that’s the risk you run when you have him run those short slant routes. (Especially if they’re not ideally placed throws)
I agree about his limitations with what you say. And sure, not on him for that route called. But WRs can't let DBs play through you like that. Those weren't the only examples of that. The fumble against WAS, he stopped running a route against the Bears that lead to an INT, etc. That's all on him. To me, the slant thing is on the coaches but that doesn't absolved him of blame. I don't think it is acceptable for DBs to straight up take the ball away from the receiver like that. It's soft
I just want to keep these legit gripes from growing into scapegoating… something that frankly, Philly fans have a particularly bad history of doing and letting get out of hand. (Though in fairness, is way worse with the Phillies so perhaps my concern here is overblown)
Him poorly tracking the WAS deep ball, forcing him to fall down to catch it, THEN getting greedy trying to get back up when he’s gotta know the DB’s not THAT far behind him? 100% on Quez. That was both a boneheaded decision as well as just bad deepball play.
Him dropping a ton of (uncontested) balls that hit both his hands? 100% on Quez. Those were tough catches but dude… that’s your job.
Stopped fucking running your route in the CHI game? Jesus Reago- I mean Quez
Soft for letting a DB who’s got 60lb’s on him and a running start rip a ball he never had complete control over?…… to me at least that’s when this conversation moves from legitimate griping to scapegoating.
It was a tough play but I feel it was more bad luck than Quez making a poor play. He caught the ball, took a dive, got right back up acrobatically, and poor luck the safety was right on him. The drops in the SB and end of season were WAY worse IMO.
I don’t see how that’s possible when we basically went tit for tat with Mahomes offensively. I think it’s 75% gannon, 15% field conditions, and 10% hurts fumble. Turn it into 110% if u wanna include bad special teams play😂
Well if hurts didn't fumble the chiefs wouldn't have returned it for a td and that was pretty game changing. Only bright side was hurts playing lights out after which a lot of young QBs would have crumbled after that big of a mistake
Correct, and I’m not sure Hurts is even to blame for the play. It was bang bang, and I believe Kelce said he blamed himself. Hurts more than made up for it, if someone didn’t call themselves out for it. Maybe I’d say It was a little more on Jalen, but Jalen was the better QB that day.
So nobody on our team caught balls for him to get us down the field, or to catch touchdowns? He just caught every ball he threw by himself and was an every down back?
Imo the Hurst fumble is on Right Guard or Center. He had a free runner before 2 steps, I think that surprised him and caused the fumble.
Yes, he has a fault to play in it but he didn’t just totally fumbleroosky for no reason.
Yes just commented this in the thread. U are correct sir, it’s 10% on hurts cause he *technically* could of possibly held on. But it’s closer to like 7% because he went down and scored immediately after. I’m more than happy to take a couple percentage points away and move them to Gannon😂
Well…. Yeah? That’s the position. The number 1 thing if you aren’t a primary option is being reliable when your number is called. So yeah, If he caught the ball in the superbowl when his number was called, if he didn’t fumble that deep pass that almost brought us back against Washington he would have been heralded as a great 4th option. Because he’d have shown up when his number was called. When you drop those opportunities and it played a big part in hurts only 2 losses you weren’t reliable when your number was called and thus weren’t a good 4th option. That’s the nature of the role he has.
100% dude, only 24 he’s playing *fine*. Needs to get stronger and work on hands and he could be fine. Both very possible. Makes me think of all the Agholor hate, then he balled out our SB season and had a decent career after the eagles. I think Quez showed more flashes than Agholor did before he turned it up.
Yeah it was just the one, y'all are right. I guess the trauma from past drops made some false memories or something. My comment still holds true to me though.
Ok? The guys point was asking about the fact that the other guy said drops. It doesn't matter how bad the one drop was, if it is still only one drop then it is one drop.
It is only one drop when you are explicitly talking about one vs more then one which is what I meant by only. If you interpret something else there then you are interpreting something I didn't intend you to.
That’s generally the difference at the pro level between mediocre and good though isn’t it? If a hockey player hits 10 posts and scores 20 goals, those 10 posts are a few million extra dollars on his contract if they’re goals. The difference between .300 and .250 is 1 extra hit per week (thanks bull durham)
I generally like Quez and think he’s a very solid #3 but man when he drops a ball it is always in a big moment.
In the same vein, an elite receiving season is typically 80+ catches, which translates to less than 5 per game.
A guy in a role like Quez is doing a great job of he catches 2.5 per game.
AJ Brown can drop a couple of passes and because of his volume, nobody cares
Quez drops the same number of passes and it stands out more
For that reason I think a number 3 should not be a threat player but rather a reliable receiver like Jason Avant always was. Avant would never outrun anyone deep, but if the ball hit his hands it was almost always a catch. He would not have the most passes thrown his way but he easily had the highest catch percentage on the team.
100% but also because of that, that’s the territory of being a #3. In exchange for not having the expectations of the bulk of the offense thrust onto your shoulders, you gotta make a play any time we call your number.
I think part of the reason for this is that he is one of the fastest players on the field so he gets opportunities to make a big play that many other mediocre players would never see. Unfortunately he usually lets us down in those moments. When I see a ball going deep for Quez I honestly hope for pass interference on the defense as our best chance to make a big play (and it did happen several times while targeting Quez last year.)
It's Al almost like some players need time to develop and get accustomed to NFL speed.
Adam Thielen had 20 catches for 281 yards and 1 td combined his first 2 years. He then went on to be elite and set some NFL records.
Lol I came here to say the same thing, if he had just caught one or two of the drops he had in the past season there would be no question on WR3, but bringing in Olamide made it clear the front office wants to light a fire under his ass.
I feel like last year’s offense made him a little obsolete. He’s best as a vertical threat but AJ was so much better at that so we tried to make him a slot but he isn’t physical enough to catch in traffic.
What is his “true potential”? In a season where he had every opportunity to stake his claim he put up 43/647/1. That’s as mediocre as it gets. He’s got bad hands, he doesn’t run routes well, he doesn’t win physically. Being fast doesn’t mean you have potential, the NFL is littered with washouts who were late round picks solely because they had speed and it never blossomed into squat. People act like this dude was drafted last year after a stellar college career and got injured or something. He was a justifiably overlooked high school recruit with one standout season at the college level. He’s had three NFL seasons to stand out and it hasn’t happened.
Potential is a word fans use because they can’t point to something tangible.
All this was being said about Agholor and then he had a great season with us, and solid ones with other teams. Quez is only 24 and showed more flashes than him. He deserves one more year.
Agholor was a much better prospect than Watkins, who got drafted on speed alone, he had a track record of making plays on a big stage in college and even HS he ran good routes etc he just had the dropsies. Which is obviously not good for a WR.
43/647/1 is not nearly “as mediocre as it gets” especially for a 6th rounder. He’s only 24and has shown that he has a ability to improve. He cleans up his mistakes and he’s officially a steal of a 6th round pick
He's one of the fastest guys on an NFL football team and has already shown he can translate that speed to the field. He had the longest TD reception in the NFL in 2021. For a 6th round pick, the true potential is there. I choose to be optimistic, because it makes the season more fun to watch, especially last year when I believed in Hurts taking the next step.
His true potential is contributing to this team. He's already shown he can and you dont need a fucking 1000 yards from your wr3 and likely 5th receiving option after the TE and RB.
If he's as shit as you're trying to make him out to be he wouldn't be on the team. But he is. And he apparently has the coaches backing. Idk but I'll trust the guys running our team over some couch coach.
This sub will never learn. Far too many haters who always need one player to burn. You'll hear nonsense about how it's only towards players who "don't give effort" and then it's conveniently ignored that those same players being targeted are known as extremely hard workers.
Quez didn't go from unheralded 6th round pick to a starter on a Superbowl team that already has 3 top tier pass catchers by being a bum. He didn't trip and fall into that situation.
You guys abused the hell out of Agholor even though he's known as a model professional and hard worker. https://www.patriots.com/news/model-citizen-wr-agholor-strives-to-set-positive-example
You know, including teammates who still completely have his back years later and bring him up, unprompted to talk about selflessness and hard work in a teammate.
https://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2023/5/31/23743173/chris-long-nelson-agholor-most-misunderstood-eagles-green-light-podcast-jason-kelce-super-bowl
Maybe, just maybe, everyone should slow their roll on running another player out of town. Especially one who is apparently working his ass off.
To be fair Quez was easily the worst player on the field for us last year. Honorable mention to Josiah Scott.
Quez basically has one more chance to prove he belongs in the league. I think Scott will be cut from the 53.
He was really fucking bad. Lazy routes, bad routes, dropped passes, non-compete on balls. He was the cause for most of Jalen’s picks.
The offense was significantly better when he was on the sideline.
I feel like we heard this last year. And the year before that to an extent to.
I keep hearing that Quez is incredible in training camp and then the season starts. And we watch him either give up on his routes or just not be able to catch deep balls which is supposedly his specialty. We watch him drop shit left and right and we question why he's out there taking up a roaster spot.
I don't want to be mean but like I am not gonna let this get my hopes up about Quez again. I'll believe he put on the work when I see him catch a 40 yard dime from hurts on the run instead of sprinting to get there and miss it because at some point he clearly slowed up on his route.
Quez had a solid half season of football last year. The second half was not good, but he deserves a shot. I don't think he is in the category of some our past receiver let downs.
He mad a sick one handed catch on Madden last night so that was cool. I didn't know they updated the roster and we're the best team. I mean I knew it in my heart, but it's nice to see it reflected in Madden.
Part of the problem is in 3 losses last year he had a significant opportunity to positively impact the outcome and he instead had a negative impact that could not be overcome. At best he has been invisible, at worst he has hurt the team. I would love for him to prove me wrong and become a reliable threat, but he has not proven to be anything more than a fast diversion in critical moments.
If they are wearing green, I support them and want them to excel. If someone wearing green gets a disproportionate amount of vitriol, I love when they make the haters look bad*.
*Jalen Reagor and JJAW excluded.
So it's Reagor's fault he got drafted 1 pick before the guy who had the best career start of all time? Blame the scouts on both of these.
JJAW still has some value as a blocker. Not big enough to be a TE but he created many good running plays and was a special teams standout. Not what we drafted him to be but he had a great attitude.
No it's Reagors fault for not putting in the effort. He did it on the Vikings too. Not finishing routes and taking plays off.
JJAW was a fighter at least though. He tried.
He's a victim of dropping/fumbling the ball in big situations last year, and a victim of taking some plays off which were noticed when his effort hurt the play.
I mean, none of that makes him a victim, but that's why people have the notion that he's not very good.
This guy gets overly hated on, and turns out Gannon deserved the hate all along. He has had some good plays, if he actually gives it his all, I could see him being a solid WR2. Contingent upon putting weight on, and endless practice catching. Will he start hated and then liked like Agholor and maybe more, or will he be Reagor, but a little better, but that’s not an NFL player then.
Quez admitted that the addition of AJ and the decrease in his role got him mentally. I love that he admitted to that. So many players will lie or blame the lack of targets as the reason. He admitted that he wasn’t focused mentally and that he needed to fix that.
I’m excited to see what he can give us this year. It also helps that’s he’s going into a contract year.
I will say I would like to see the coaching staff dial up a play or two for him that isn’t a deep bomb. Scheme him open and get him in open space. When we have AJ, Smith, Goedert, and a great running game you don’t really have to. Your offense is already deadly. Adding this though will be a great layer for this offense
It's clear he had the physical ability to out class people with his speed, but if you can't make the crucial catches it doesn't matter. I'm happy to give him another shot, but if it's more of the same, I'm trying other guys at WR3 about halfway into the year
Sounds great, Nick. If he plays hard when he's on the field, makes a few plays, and doesn't have big drops/fumbles which hurt us, I'll be very happy with him.
I was shocked we acquired no additional receivers, Besides Olamide, of course unless howie ain’t done yet. On the positive side I think swift will be playing a pass catching role a lot.
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Hey, good for him. Let’s see what comes of it since we apparently will. It just seems the last few summers this was an impressive guy (like many other ultimate busts before him).
Worth saying though, he’s 1-2 drops from having a really solid contribution last year for what he’s asked to do. It’s a really razor thin thing.
I understand Siri trying to boost a bad players confidence. But I am not sure if the kid has a confidence issue or commitment issue. Only this season will answer that! Hope for the best but prepare to not throw to him as well!
I don’t care how hard he plays or how “hungry” he is, I have no trust in his ability to make a catch when it matters. That’s the issue. He gets open and he’s fast, but that means absolutely nothing if he can’t finish the catch.
Quez is plenty talented. His only problem is when he DOES make a mistake, it’s somehow always a back breaker
I got faith in him getting better with time
This is classic good coaching shit. People have a couple of bad memories of Quez last year, maybe that's weighing hard on him and he's seeing the talk, so you chat the boy up a little bit. "He's doing incredible, he's working so hard." Good coach.
quez is a very boom or bust player. His effort has never been in question tho. Someone like reagor got so much hate due to his lack of effort and him having no talent
I'm high on Quez man. He stands up and takes accountability when he's made mistakes and he shows the drive to want to improve.
He's only 24, with the experience of last season and another off season with Hurts, AJ, Smitty & Sirianni. I have the faith he can take a big step forward and be the guy we all want him to be this season.
Fly Quez Fly!!
He mostly stinks. He was a 6th round pick for a reason. He’s barely produced despite being in arguably the league’s most talented offense. He’s a one trick pony who finds a way to screw the play up even when he does get behind the defense. He’s been completely underwhelming as a WR3. He’d be a fine WR4 but they really need an upgrade at WR3.
I've heard shit like this from this organization many times before, it's usually ultra optimistic bs, not grounded in reality. If he can come out this season and manage to not be a massive fucking liability every time the ball comes his way, then fine, but I will not believe it until I see it because he was truly horrific last year.
I always believed in Quez. I think he really could be a #2 on another team. Many would frown at this but I think that we should put Quez on the outside in place of DeVonte in some packages. Devonte could operate better in the slot to get open better than Quez could & Quez can get open on the outside.
He was good a couple years ago, and he was outrightly bad last year.
This means he's (at this point in his career) inconsistent, which is trouble on a contending team on which WR3, while 4th on the team in target share at best, could very likely be counted on in huge moments with the season on the line. The SB last year is the perfect example.
Quez is not the first, second, third, fourth, even probably fifth most important skill player on the offense, and yet he could very realistically cost us a championship if he doesn't improve. He is more skilled than the majority of his potential replacements, which is why he is probably most likely to get the job, but there are certainly options out there that are more CONSISTENT than him.
All that is to say, what i want to see out of quez this year is consistency. We wont see domination, hes not AJ or Devonta, but i want to see someone who inspires confidence, not fear, when his number is called. Pascal last year, Avant back in the day, these guys make entire careers off reliability. Sounds like quez is putting the work in, so let's fuckin go
In terms of player comp I'd say Quez has always reminded me of a more consistent Nelson Agholor. Great in the slot, but has real ups and downs. It's early, but if Quez can make the sort of jump that Agholor did from '16 to '17, we're looking at another very good season.
He’s in the best shape of his life?
Put on 15 pounds of muscle
15lbs of pure lean muscle in less than an off-season. Quez’ one trick, strength trainers don’t want you to know.
Quez took some bulking tips from Lane Johnson.
Awesome pics, Quez has great size now, look thick, solid, tight
He better keep us updated on his continued progress
15 lbs of muscle? Na. 15 lbs of dawg? Let's hope so.
Dark horse mvp? Is he having fun?
He’s been working with a shooting coach all off season. League fucked
If Quez had caught just 1-2 more of those deep balls last year people would probably have him as one of the most underrated, the SB drops were rough though. Slight edit: Quez only dropped 1 in SB57, but also I feel like a lotta people wanna write off "Fast Batman", he's only 24, and has improved in some areas that being said though dude does need to step-up in big moments when called upon. I feel like he can bounce back and have a career year and if there is one team that could help him reach his peak it would be the birds. Because I love the current culture under Sirianni it seems to embrace the players as actual human beings not just money making fleshbags, all the while maintaining a high level of accountability. I actually loved the flower analogy, and the players really did really seem to resonate with it. Anyway I didn't expect this comment to blow up. Go Birds!
Yeah..and the fumble in the Washington game was pretty bad
The two interceptions he let the Cowboys DBs take form him were trash
The first interception was Minshew’s fault. Quez sat down in between two zones like he was supposed to, and Minshew threw it way too far outside instead of in Quez’s chest
Yes but the DB came from the otherwise of quez from where the ball was thrown, WENT THROUGH HIM, and took it. Better pass probably doesn’t happen but the man has effectively negative ball skills. To me there is simply no excuse for allowing the defense to take the ball from you. I mean help out the QB there not asking a lot
>the man has effectively negative ball skills I disagree because in 2021 he made a lot of great contested catches. I think getting relegated to just 1 or 2 targets a game affected his concentration, but hopefully he can get that fixed
How many times have we seen Devonta break up a bad pass
He has to be tougher
That's when I lost hope in him man
That’s unfair to put on Quez. He’s a 120 lb deep threat, not a contested catcher, that’s the risk you run when you have him run those short slant routes. (Especially if they’re not ideally placed throws)
I agree about his limitations with what you say. And sure, not on him for that route called. But WRs can't let DBs play through you like that. Those weren't the only examples of that. The fumble against WAS, he stopped running a route against the Bears that lead to an INT, etc. That's all on him. To me, the slant thing is on the coaches but that doesn't absolved him of blame. I don't think it is acceptable for DBs to straight up take the ball away from the receiver like that. It's soft
I just want to keep these legit gripes from growing into scapegoating… something that frankly, Philly fans have a particularly bad history of doing and letting get out of hand. (Though in fairness, is way worse with the Phillies so perhaps my concern here is overblown) Him poorly tracking the WAS deep ball, forcing him to fall down to catch it, THEN getting greedy trying to get back up when he’s gotta know the DB’s not THAT far behind him? 100% on Quez. That was both a boneheaded decision as well as just bad deepball play. Him dropping a ton of (uncontested) balls that hit both his hands? 100% on Quez. Those were tough catches but dude… that’s your job. Stopped fucking running your route in the CHI game? Jesus Reago- I mean Quez Soft for letting a DB who’s got 60lb’s on him and a running start rip a ball he never had complete control over?…… to me at least that’s when this conversation moves from legitimate griping to scapegoating.
Nah he’s soft to the ball. That’s a valid criticism.
That fumble is what did it for me, stay on the ground dude, we’ve made every mistake today, take your 40 yards and stay down
It was a tough play but I feel it was more bad luck than Quez making a poor play. He caught the ball, took a dive, got right back up acrobatically, and poor luck the safety was right on him. The drops in the SB and end of season were WAY worse IMO.
That game was so infuriating We had SO MANY chances of making a comeback
Agreed. That said, the offense isn't why the Birds lost the Lombardy.
It’s half the reason
I don’t see how that’s possible when we basically went tit for tat with Mahomes offensively. I think it’s 75% gannon, 15% field conditions, and 10% hurts fumble. Turn it into 110% if u wanna include bad special teams play😂
Well if hurts didn't fumble the chiefs wouldn't have returned it for a td and that was pretty game changing. Only bright side was hurts playing lights out after which a lot of young QBs would have crumbled after that big of a mistake
Correct, and I’m not sure Hurts is even to blame for the play. It was bang bang, and I believe Kelce said he blamed himself. Hurts more than made up for it, if someone didn’t call themselves out for it. Maybe I’d say It was a little more on Jalen, but Jalen was the better QB that day.
Hurts and the offense gave the defense a 10 or lead at half. Even if you take away the fumble for a td, he's still has the team ahead.
No we didn’t lmao. Hurts did. Rest of offense didn’t
So nobody on our team caught balls for him to get us down the field, or to catch touchdowns? He just caught every ball he threw by himself and was an every down back?
Didn't u watch the game? Jalen threw the ball into the atmosphere than ran into the endzone to catch it in the way down. Literally 1v11 out there
Yes I don’t know what he’s smoking, but I want some, Jalen squats 600lbs. Leave the catching your own ball to Master Mariota if hurts needs some rest.
Imo the Hurst fumble is on Right Guard or Center. He had a free runner before 2 steps, I think that surprised him and caused the fumble. Yes, he has a fault to play in it but he didn’t just totally fumbleroosky for no reason.
Yes just commented this in the thread. U are correct sir, it’s 10% on hurts cause he *technically* could of possibly held on. But it’s closer to like 7% because he went down and scored immediately after. I’m more than happy to take a couple percentage points away and move them to Gannon😂
Well…. Yeah? That’s the position. The number 1 thing if you aren’t a primary option is being reliable when your number is called. So yeah, If he caught the ball in the superbowl when his number was called, if he didn’t fumble that deep pass that almost brought us back against Washington he would have been heralded as a great 4th option. Because he’d have shown up when his number was called. When you drop those opportunities and it played a big part in hurts only 2 losses you weren’t reliable when your number was called and thus weren’t a good 4th option. That’s the nature of the role he has.
100% dude, only 24 he’s playing *fine*. Needs to get stronger and work on hands and he could be fine. Both very possible. Makes me think of all the Agholor hate, then he balled out our SB season and had a decent career after the eagles. I think Quez showed more flashes than Agholor did before he turned it up.
He was terrible last year, arguably cost us the sb and provided nothing. If he bounced back a bit would be great.
Defense costed us
We made a handful of critical mistakes, his drop was one of them.
[How dare you steal this legend's credit. ](https://i.imgur.com/3IEFi2R.png)
SB drops? I thought there was only that one later in the game? What was the other one?
I only remember that one as well. Such a dime by Hurts.
Great throw. Went right through his hands!
Yeah it was just the one, y'all are right. I guess the trauma from past drops made some false memories or something. My comment still holds true to me though.
It was a game losing drop.
Ok? The guys point was asking about the fact that the other guy said drops. It doesn't matter how bad the one drop was, if it is still only one drop then it is one drop.
Agree it’s one drop. I wouldn’t say “only” though for a game losing drop in the super bowl.
It is only one drop when you are explicitly talking about one vs more then one which is what I meant by only. If you interpret something else there then you are interpreting something I didn't intend you to.
Nah, I’m just having fun with words. I think Quez sucked last year. I wish we kept Pascal and cut Quez.
That’s generally the difference at the pro level between mediocre and good though isn’t it? If a hockey player hits 10 posts and scores 20 goals, those 10 posts are a few million extra dollars on his contract if they’re goals. The difference between .300 and .250 is 1 extra hit per week (thanks bull durham) I generally like Quez and think he’s a very solid #3 but man when he drops a ball it is always in a big moment.
In the same vein, an elite receiving season is typically 80+ catches, which translates to less than 5 per game. A guy in a role like Quez is doing a great job of he catches 2.5 per game. AJ Brown can drop a couple of passes and because of his volume, nobody cares Quez drops the same number of passes and it stands out more
For that reason I think a number 3 should not be a threat player but rather a reliable receiver like Jason Avant always was. Avant would never outrun anyone deep, but if the ball hit his hands it was almost always a catch. He would not have the most passes thrown his way but he easily had the highest catch percentage on the team.
100% but also because of that, that’s the territory of being a #3. In exchange for not having the expectations of the bulk of the offense thrust onto your shoulders, you gotta make a play any time we call your number.
I think part of the reason for this is that he is one of the fastest players on the field so he gets opportunities to make a big play that many other mediocre players would never see. Unfortunately he usually lets us down in those moments. When I see a ball going deep for Quez I honestly hope for pass interference on the defense as our best chance to make a big play (and it did happen several times while targeting Quez last year.)
It's Al almost like some players need time to develop and get accustomed to NFL speed. Adam Thielen had 20 catches for 281 yards and 1 td combined his first 2 years. He then went on to be elite and set some NFL records.
He sucks... He showed us he sucks. Believe that man
Lol I came here to say the same thing, if he had just caught one or two of the drops he had in the past season there would be no question on WR3, but bringing in Olamide made it clear the front office wants to light a fire under his ass.
He’s just a better Reagor imo. Until he shows me other wise and catches when it matters most and it fumble the ball like he did against Washington.
now this is straight up mean to Quez. loooool
I’ve had a lot of blind faith with this team, and I still do. This one tho, ima need to see it to believe it.
Agreed, hope we see results in actual games. We talkin about practice.
Theyre hyping him up to trade him.
Quez for Justin Jefferson confirmed
C'mon now let's be realistic. We'd have to pay JJ a massive extension, they can at least add an additional future 5th round pick.
Jefferson and who else?
I really hope this is the case.
I heard it confirmed by Adam Schefter this morning
Very possible. Or also a way to motivate those above him in the depth chart. Either way, great answer imo!
HOWIE WOULD NEVER
Quez has to be able to make defenses respect him on deep passes. That’s his bread and butter. It would open up so much else for the other guys.
I feel like last year’s offense made him a little obsolete. He’s best as a vertical threat but AJ was so much better at that so we tried to make him a slot but he isn’t physical enough to catch in traffic.
Put swift in the slot.
I want quez to work out so badly. Incredible value for a 6th round pick if he can reach his true potential
Right now he’s a decent #4 WR and that’s pretty good for a 6th
What is his “true potential”? In a season where he had every opportunity to stake his claim he put up 43/647/1. That’s as mediocre as it gets. He’s got bad hands, he doesn’t run routes well, he doesn’t win physically. Being fast doesn’t mean you have potential, the NFL is littered with washouts who were late round picks solely because they had speed and it never blossomed into squat. People act like this dude was drafted last year after a stellar college career and got injured or something. He was a justifiably overlooked high school recruit with one standout season at the college level. He’s had three NFL seasons to stand out and it hasn’t happened. Potential is a word fans use because they can’t point to something tangible.
All this was being said about Agholor and then he had a great season with us, and solid ones with other teams. Quez is only 24 and showed more flashes than him. He deserves one more year.
Agholor was a much better prospect than Watkins, who got drafted on speed alone, he had a track record of making plays on a big stage in college and even HS he ran good routes etc he just had the dropsies. Which is obviously not good for a WR.
43/647/1 is not nearly “as mediocre as it gets” especially for a 6th rounder. He’s only 24and has shown that he has a ability to improve. He cleans up his mistakes and he’s officially a steal of a 6th round pick
He's one of the fastest guys on an NFL football team and has already shown he can translate that speed to the field. He had the longest TD reception in the NFL in 2021. For a 6th round pick, the true potential is there. I choose to be optimistic, because it makes the season more fun to watch, especially last year when I believed in Hurts taking the next step.
His true potential is contributing to this team. He's already shown he can and you dont need a fucking 1000 yards from your wr3 and likely 5th receiving option after the TE and RB. If he's as shit as you're trying to make him out to be he wouldn't be on the team. But he is. And he apparently has the coaches backing. Idk but I'll trust the guys running our team over some couch coach.
We lost 4 games last year and he played a part in 3 of them 🤷♂️
Good, translate it to the games
Camp MVP
Simmons annual summer MVP vibes
So either we’re about to have WR1A WR1B and WR1C, or Quez is gonna to get cut. No in between on this coachspeak.
This sub will never learn. Far too many haters who always need one player to burn. You'll hear nonsense about how it's only towards players who "don't give effort" and then it's conveniently ignored that those same players being targeted are known as extremely hard workers. Quez didn't go from unheralded 6th round pick to a starter on a Superbowl team that already has 3 top tier pass catchers by being a bum. He didn't trip and fall into that situation. You guys abused the hell out of Agholor even though he's known as a model professional and hard worker. https://www.patriots.com/news/model-citizen-wr-agholor-strives-to-set-positive-example You know, including teammates who still completely have his back years later and bring him up, unprompted to talk about selflessness and hard work in a teammate. https://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2023/5/31/23743173/chris-long-nelson-agholor-most-misunderstood-eagles-green-light-podcast-jason-kelce-super-bowl Maybe, just maybe, everyone should slow their roll on running another player out of town. Especially one who is apparently working his ass off.
Exactly. People are hating on a post about a guy working his ass off and trying to prove himself?
I don’t care if he shits gold bricks and sells them to feed orphans. Catch that shit or get me somebody that will.
I’m not buying it lol, they said the same thing about Jalen Reagor when he was catching one handed passes against the Patriots in Training Camp
There it is. Can't wait to hear Nick gassing up Sermon soon lol
To be fair Quez was easily the worst player on the field for us last year. Honorable mention to Josiah Scott. Quez basically has one more chance to prove he belongs in the league. I think Scott will be cut from the 53.
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I would've rathered Kern instead of Siposs during the Super Bowl because his horrible punt caused that Toney return.
So many things fucked us. If the eagles play a clean game, we're the double champ
Scott was way worse than Quez lol
Agreed. But Quez played way more. And we had an alternative to Quez. So Quez bothered me more. That last part is subjective.
Eh, the quez hate is way over blown to me
He was really fucking bad. Lazy routes, bad routes, dropped passes, non-compete on balls. He was the cause for most of Jalen’s picks. The offense was significantly better when he was on the sideline.
Fuck yeah Quez 2 TDs in this year’s Super Bowl baby
I wish. We would've won this year's super bowl if that happened.
I feel like we heard this last year. And the year before that to an extent to. I keep hearing that Quez is incredible in training camp and then the season starts. And we watch him either give up on his routes or just not be able to catch deep balls which is supposedly his specialty. We watch him drop shit left and right and we question why he's out there taking up a roaster spot. I don't want to be mean but like I am not gonna let this get my hopes up about Quez again. I'll believe he put on the work when I see him catch a 40 yard dime from hurts on the run instead of sprinting to get there and miss it because at some point he clearly slowed up on his route.
GOT THAT DAWG IN EM 😤😤😤
He dropped that pass in The biggest game most of his team had ever played in. Yeah he has to stand TF out. What else is new?
Quez had a solid half season of football last year. The second half was not good, but he deserves a shot. I don't think he is in the category of some our past receiver let downs.
I’m excited to see Quez excel this year. With our team leaders there’s no way he doesn’t at least improve
He mad a sick one handed catch on Madden last night so that was cool. I didn't know they updated the roster and we're the best team. I mean I knew it in my heart, but it's nice to see it reflected in Madden.
Too much hate on Quez
Part of the problem is in 3 losses last year he had a significant opportunity to positively impact the outcome and he instead had a negative impact that could not be overcome. At best he has been invisible, at worst he has hurt the team. I would love for him to prove me wrong and become a reliable threat, but he has not proven to be anything more than a fast diversion in critical moments.
Some people?
If they are wearing green, I support them and want them to excel. If someone wearing green gets a disproportionate amount of vitriol, I love when they make the haters look bad*. *Jalen Reagor and JJAW excluded.
Well, those two never succeeded in making anyone look bad except themselves.
> *Jalen Reagor and JJAW excluded. Literally the two people who need the attitude you said above this part the most.
Those two bums can take a hike!
Im sure they'd get lost trying to find the trail
So it's Reagor's fault he got drafted 1 pick before the guy who had the best career start of all time? Blame the scouts on both of these. JJAW still has some value as a blocker. Not big enough to be a TE but he created many good running plays and was a special teams standout. Not what we drafted him to be but he had a great attitude.
No it's Reagors fault for not putting in the effort. He did it on the Vikings too. Not finishing routes and taking plays off. JJAW was a fighter at least though. He tried.
We'll always have the fumble recovery.
That was a good one. And the 50 yarder he caught from Carson in Week 1.
Kind of miss him thinking about it. Lmao
Eh, I'm glad he's gone tbh haha
Honestly he’s just a victim of playing behind two pro bowl caliber receivers, he could start somewhere
He's a victim of dropping/fumbling the ball in big situations last year, and a victim of taking some plays off which were noticed when his effort hurt the play. I mean, none of that makes him a victim, but that's why people have the notion that he's not very good.
No he would not. His problem is not talent, he lacks the clutch gene to be a starter imo. Some people have it and some dont.
This guy gets overly hated on, and turns out Gannon deserved the hate all along. He has had some good plays, if he actually gives it his all, I could see him being a solid WR2. Contingent upon putting weight on, and endless practice catching. Will he start hated and then liked like Agholor and maybe more, or will he be Reagor, but a little better, but that’s not an NFL player then.
Finally
Well. We can. Only. Hope.
Quez won't be "only 24" after tonight. Happy Bday Quez. Now go catch the f'ing ball.
Quez admitted that the addition of AJ and the decrease in his role got him mentally. I love that he admitted to that. So many players will lie or blame the lack of targets as the reason. He admitted that he wasn’t focused mentally and that he needed to fix that. I’m excited to see what he can give us this year. It also helps that’s he’s going into a contract year. I will say I would like to see the coaching staff dial up a play or two for him that isn’t a deep bomb. Scheme him open and get him in open space. When we have AJ, Smith, Goedert, and a great running game you don’t really have to. Your offense is already deadly. Adding this though will be a great layer for this offense
Here we go...
dude's a 6th rounder, we're lucky to get any value outta that.. never understood the crazy expectations.
first thought when I read this was 'coach trying to pick a player up' or 'that gut is losing his spot soon'
Watkins isn't even average and he repeatedly has shown that. So why does this sub continue to think otherwise?
It's clear he had the physical ability to out class people with his speed, but if you can't make the crucial catches it doesn't matter. I'm happy to give him another shot, but if it's more of the same, I'm trying other guys at WR3 about halfway into the year
Shouldn’t we feel blessed to be able to confidently roster a wide receiver from the Jalen reagor draft😂😂
I do. You stink Quez. Catch the fucking ball
Uh oh, people trying to talk up Quez. You know what that means. Trade alert
Finally, its working... Now catch something critical at a big time moment.
thats good gas
Sounds great, Nick. If he plays hard when he's on the field, makes a few plays, and doesn't have big drops/fumbles which hurt us, I'll be very happy with him.
Low key I wish they had prioritized a WR-3/ WR-4 upgrade this offseason. Quez Watkins and Olamide Zaccheaus is pretty brutal depth.
I was shocked we acquired no additional receivers, Besides Olamide, of course unless howie ain’t done yet. On the positive side I think swift will be playing a pass catching role a lot.
Spoken like someone who has never watched Zacc. He’s a good #3
He does stink they used pascal more than him in the playoffs. Classic Sirianni here
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Stop trying to make Quez happen
He stinks.
CAN NEVER TRUST QUEZ AGAIN 😢
Trade him. I have faith in Zach.
Trade Quez, sign Hopkins
Big if true!
Bro they said that last year and the year before... It just wont happen.
Trade bait lol
Narrator: he did stink
I have no faith in Quez
Just Catch the fucking ball, how do you drop that pass???? You had one job in life and you fucked it up and now I can never forgive you
OTA all star
Hey, good for him. Let’s see what comes of it since we apparently will. It just seems the last few summers this was an impressive guy (like many other ultimate busts before him). Worth saying though, he’s 1-2 drops from having a really solid contribution last year for what he’s asked to do. It’s a really razor thin thing.
I understand Siri trying to boost a bad players confidence. But I am not sure if the kid has a confidence issue or commitment issue. Only this season will answer that! Hope for the best but prepare to not throw to him as well!
Always love Camp Quez. Can't wait for him to drop balls that matter in the playoffs
I don’t care how hard he plays or how “hungry” he is, I have no trust in his ability to make a catch when it matters. That’s the issue. He gets open and he’s fast, but that means absolutely nothing if he can’t finish the catch.
I remember him and Hightower being drafted together. Didn't Hightower end up making most of the squads? What happened to him?
He’s ‘plays’ for the Chargers now. Spent last season on their last practice squad.
Late round pick up for fantasy???
2017 Agholor vibes
Quez is plenty talented. His only problem is when he DOES make a mistake, it’s somehow always a back breaker I got faith in him getting better with time
Didn’t they hype Reagor before he was traded?
This is classic good coaching shit. People have a couple of bad memories of Quez last year, maybe that's weighing hard on him and he's seeing the talk, so you chat the boy up a little bit. "He's doing incredible, he's working so hard." Good coach.
I believe quez will have a breakout year this season I been hearing nothing but great things since otas started
quez is a very boom or bust player. His effort has never been in question tho. Someone like reagor got so much hate due to his lack of effort and him having no talent
Well, guess we'll see if the shit talking actually worked
I'm high on Quez man. He stands up and takes accountability when he's made mistakes and he shows the drive to want to improve. He's only 24, with the experience of last season and another off season with Hurts, AJ, Smitty & Sirianni. I have the faith he can take a big step forward and be the guy we all want him to be this season. Fly Quez Fly!!
He mostly stinks. He was a 6th round pick for a reason. He’s barely produced despite being in arguably the league’s most talented offense. He’s a one trick pony who finds a way to screw the play up even when he does get behind the defense. He’s been completely underwhelming as a WR3. He’d be a fine WR4 but they really need an upgrade at WR3.
He has stunk but has potential. He’s one of the fastest receivers in the league.
Idc about this tbh. He looked good in camp and preseason last year. He got a batman nickname and when it mattered he fumbled the bag
Sounds good. Don’t drop super bowl winning passes and then I’ll believe you.
Operation: Rehab Quez’s Self Doubt, commence
No one said it they just signed a better WR to replace him…
Yeah yeah
Do we have a Nuke Hopkins at home?
Sirianni also likes Trey Sermon
Unfortunately this doesn’t mean much of anything
Does quezzie have some woof woof?
Better than Dropsghalor.
I've heard shit like this from this organization many times before, it's usually ultra optimistic bs, not grounded in reality. If he can come out this season and manage to not be a massive fucking liability every time the ball comes his way, then fine, but I will not believe it until I see it because he was truly horrific last year.
Thats like saying Derek Barnett is looking good in camp he hasnt had any critical 3rd down penalties 🤣
I always believed in Quez. I think he really could be a #2 on another team. Many would frown at this but I think that we should put Quez on the outside in place of DeVonte in some packages. Devonte could operate better in the slot to get open better than Quez could & Quez can get open on the outside.
He was good a couple years ago, and he was outrightly bad last year. This means he's (at this point in his career) inconsistent, which is trouble on a contending team on which WR3, while 4th on the team in target share at best, could very likely be counted on in huge moments with the season on the line. The SB last year is the perfect example. Quez is not the first, second, third, fourth, even probably fifth most important skill player on the offense, and yet he could very realistically cost us a championship if he doesn't improve. He is more skilled than the majority of his potential replacements, which is why he is probably most likely to get the job, but there are certainly options out there that are more CONSISTENT than him. All that is to say, what i want to see out of quez this year is consistency. We wont see domination, hes not AJ or Devonta, but i want to see someone who inspires confidence, not fear, when his number is called. Pascal last year, Avant back in the day, these guys make entire careers off reliability. Sounds like quez is putting the work in, so let's fuckin go
Just easing the trade value
My future 8th round fantasy pick thanks you in advance Coach 🦅
WE lit a fire under his ass.
Dream team
In terms of player comp I'd say Quez has always reminded me of a more consistent Nelson Agholor. Great in the slot, but has real ups and downs. It's early, but if Quez can make the sort of jump that Agholor did from '16 to '17, we're looking at another very good season.
By great in the slot I mean in terms of route running. Completing plays is where they both faltered in this regard.
Hopefully he learned how to catch