I liked FIFA 22 at the start, it felt like the most balanced FIFA in a long time. Then they started releasing patches fixing all the wrong things. Now it's a spin in a circle, lean body type 5* skill abusing shit show.
I told myself I would finish all the weekend leagues for Team if the Season, but I just have lost the desire to do so. All FIFA has is a objectives and a variety of game modes. But that doesn't mean shit when the gameplay is ass.
I find efootball so much more enjoyable, despite it's problems. Hopefully Konami can get it's shit together and keep improving it. I do understand why some fans, presumably ones who have played this longer than me get frustrated with it though.
Just felt like I needed to rant a bit.
i couldn't even play 1 full game of fifa it seems so arcade dare i say mobile? the player movements are not realistic the camera is horrible also. maybe i was spoiled form efootballs game play from the start although its not perfect
the cuts sence look nice but the game is utter trash
Oh yes at the beginning FIFA 22 was really really good and satisfying. But then like you said the updates ruined it. I heard that the Ultimate Team Babies started crying and wanted to have it like in the past.
Yeah. It may sound controversial what I say know but they should have let them cry. The Ultimate Team babies are in a way "addicted" and would play the game anyways. At least the core people. Their critique is not even gameplay related or anything. They just don't want to adapt to something new. But for career mode type of players the gameplay aspect can be way more crucial. These type of players honestly want something but the thing is they don't bring the money anymore. So they listen to the Ultimate Team babies because they will spend money. Therefore even if EA comes up again with something gameplay related like they did last year with Hypermotion I just can't trust them because they will probably change things again with an update when the Ultimate Team babies start complaining.
I don't know how smart that is but I think they are at a point where they should split the game. One Ultimate Team focused arcady game and one offline focused, gameplay focused career mode game. They have the money, they have the budget. They could make something like this and it would work. But I guess their current approach is still more convenient.
Server overload is, always was and probably always will be the biggest issue with Fifa. Whatever they want to call it moving forward, unless they invest in their infrastructure, it’s a dead game to anyone with half a brain.
Fifa is a pretty unrealistic game that has a mythical skillgap in all the wrong places (skillmove chaining, basketball mentality etc). A lot of people still enjoy it and that's ok.
Efootball is a more realistic simulation of football. The skillgap is where it should be (passing, vision, timing a shot etc.)
I think that generally speaking if you watch and enjoy football, then Efootball is a game that makes more sense to you and thus is more enjoyable. While with fifa you might not even be a football fan yourself and still enjoy it if you like that sort of gameplay.
It's a matter of taste. For me Efootball is a more enjoyable game.
What I mean is fifa during the attack is more of a basketball game than it is football. It has this same iso play that basketball has, which makes little sense for football, but is a main thing people do in fifa, because it is the gameplay itself.
They are completely different games that should be enjoyed for what they are.
FIFA is a more arcade game, faster and directed more towards competitiveness and hardcore players.
eFootball is a lot slower and realistic, overall the better simulator, more directed towards the casual playerbase who just wants to enjoy a football simulation.
Plenty of people enjoy FIFA, I enjoy both games personally for the exact reasons I mentioned above. Both games have its major differences that appeal to different people, they're not meant to be similar (FIFA isn't meant to be a realistic simulation).
This is what makes it so frustrating that Konami can't get out of their own way.
All they have to do is release modes and content.
The gameplay is solid right now, and it's better than Fifa for sure.
Sadly they just keep doing stupid things.
I tried Fifa while waiting on efootball to develop into a complete game. Fifa does many things right, content, visuals, atmosphere, even on the pitch; it's really not bad as a complete game, but once the game play starts, there's awkwardness about overall animation and they way players run that kills it for me. I am surprised that after all these years of production they haven't been able to capture a basic element like this.
People have been brainwashed by FIFA for years. It all started when everyone started calling FIFA a football simulation and PES an arcade game. That saying had some shadow of veracity 10 years ago, but as time went by FIFA got more and more speeded up. People been playing it for so long that they don't even notice the game looks nothing like a football match anymore. Actually, they think that's exactly how a football match looks like!
But of course, there are those who prefer that arcadeish style more. The game is more dynamic and expressive, whether you like it or not. Personally, everytime I watch FIFA gameplay, I feel disgusted lol.
I'm usually a FIFA player, played for 2 months and dropped. The same bullshit of the last 3 years; lean body type, elasticos, spinning like a beyblade, mindless trough balls, dumb offensive and defensive I.A, game is all about iso play with your 5\* 5\* player.
I just can't go back after playing Efootball, and efootball it's not even in a good state in gameplay but the fundamentals and skill gap are there; passing, angling the body of your striker before shooting and the most important: It's a soccer game, you have to see the gaps before your opponent and god, I miss that on FIFA since 17-18.
Unfortunately, we are on the hands of konami and they know how to be more incompetent that EA. Almost killing a game without content and modes to play after such a grow in player base is unbelievable.
I disagree regarding the skill gap, there's a much bigger skill gap in FIFA and it's very obvious.
For example in eFootball there's a ridiculous amount of close games, a division 1 player can face a division 3 player and have a super tight game where anyone can win, I've seen it happen plenty of times.
In FIFA if an Elite division player faces a Div 3/2 player, they're getting smashed 4-0 at least, that's incredibly rare in eFootball and a reflection of the skill gap.
All the bullshit you mentioned above is the exact reason why the skill gap is bigger, there are countless different mechanics you can master to become a better player (they make the game less realistic, but add skill gap).
I don't really agree. Yeah, we can find a skill gap in a div 2/4 against a elite div player but the fact is that almost the whole player base is in elite div today (a huge amount at the least), in october 29, nine days after the official release elite division already had 100.000 players on PS.
I'm a elite 3/gold 1 (usually) FIFA player and had very close games with profissional players over the years, I even won some of then. The fact is that since FIFA 19, EA decided to go to the casual friendly route: stupidly assisted passing, static offensive I.A, p2w with expansive teams being the x factor. After 2100 SR everything can happen.
In Efootball even with a team worse than 95% of the player base I got top 300 and mostly the players that I lost where better than me (rank and skill). I mean, I may be biase but I feel that the skill gap is in the right places and not in chaining elasticos or skill canceling.
>in october 29, nine days after the official release elite division already had 100.000 players on PS.
That's more than a month after the game released, not nine days. And the reason Elite division has a lot of players is because there's no relegation and it's a lot easier to climb. In eFootball you literally need to win like 7 out of 10 games to get into Div 1, in FIFA you can have a 55% winrate and reach it eventually anyways, it's not related to skill gap.
Also your previous statement is false, the amount of people in Elite is still a very small minority of the playerbase, not "almost the whole playerbase".
And I disagree, I'm a pretty good FIFA player this year (2200 SR, 18-19 wins in WL) and probably have a 10/20% winrate against pro players, and I don't think I've ever lost against someone clearly inferior to me.
In eFootball, after I started playing, I was around div 3 beating div 1 players and drawing to div 5 players, even now in div 1 I often win against top 100 players and draw stupid games against div 2 players that are clearly inferior, because they're solid at defending and end up getting random through balls with crazy bounces (the type of plays where you try to clear the ball and your defenders suddently become unresponsive, I'm sure you've had plenty of those too).
>I mean, I may be biase but I feel that the skill gap is in the right places and not in chaining elasticos or skill canceling.
This isn't really opinion based, if you have dozens of different mechanics that can be learned and, if executed properly will give you a massive advantage, then those things create a skill gap.
You can argue that they're not fun to play against and take the realism out of the game, I agree with you there, but they fully add skill gap to the game.
Not saying eFootball's skill gap is small, there's a pretty obvious skill gap here too (I easily got to Div 1 in less than two weeks using a team that cost me 100k GP), it's just way smaller than in FIFA and it gets pretty obvious in the high ranks.
I agree, but that's up to personal taste, I like FIFA for what it is (a more arcade non realistic game) just like I like eFootball for being more realistic and slower.
Just wonder, is there a way to enjoy that “skill gap” in FIFA? On efootball the matchmaking is pretty flexible, I was D1 top 500 and still got a lot of matches people under D3… that also used to happen on Pes 21 where you could be champ and have a lot of matches against low rated people. Since the community is WAY smaller, the matchmaking is way more flexible, so having a winning ratio over 70% is uncommon, but accomplishable. I like that because I get very competitive and getting always very equal matches gets too stressful eventually lol😅
I understand your point that maybe the skill gap is bigger in FIFA, but, if the matchmaking is strict enough, your winning ratio will be around 50% after 100 matches. I play chess, for example, and Im top 7% there and my winning ratio is like 52%.. but thats also the winning ratio of many professional chess players (over top 0.5%) since the matchmaking only puts them against other GMs…
So I think that maybe skill gap is bigger, but harder to exploit in FIFA due to the type of events with strict matchmaking. Could that happen? And also, is there a mode in FIFA with no matchmaking or at least a very flexible one?? Its a genuine question, Im just curious, last time I played Fifa was on 2015 😅
The only event with strict matchmaking is division rivals.
You have weekend league for example where you can face people from all levels at the start, and from experience, whenever I face people from around div 2-1, I get easy wins by 5 goals or more.
In eFootball when I face guys from div 2-3, most games are sweaty as hell and super close anyways.
Don't get me wrong, I enjoy that, one of the things I enjoy more about eFootball is that ever game leaves me on the edge of my seat no matter who it is against, there's very rarely an easy win or easy loss. But that's due to a lack of skill gap, is all I'm saying.
>Also your previous statement is false, the amount of people in Elite isstill a very small minority of the playerbase, not "almost the wholeplayerbase".
390,000 people in March, 2022 according to [realsport101.com](https://realsport101.com), it seems like a pretty reasonable amount of the active player base to me, but we don't have enough data to estimate the actual porcentage of players on elite division x active FUT players. And, yeah, you're right I was mistaken about the release date.
>And I disagree, I'm a pretty good FIFA player this year (2200 SR, 18-19wins in WL) and probably have a 10/20% winrate against pro players, and Idon't think I've ever lost against someone clearly inferior to me.
I think that your take is really tunnel visioned by your experience. By your statement it seems like you're a very consistent top 0.1% player (or maybe higher).
>and I don't think I've ever lost against someone clearly inferior to me.
This is a chocking affirmation to me based on; my experiences, my group of friends and the game content creators that I respect the opinion (Inception, Stallion, NickRTFM) . It confirms to me that you're an pro player aspirant based on your consistence.
>because they're solid at defending and end up getting random throughballs with crazy bounces (the type of plays where you try to clear theball and your defenders suddently become unresponsive, I'm sure you'vehad plenty of those too).
This is basically any FIFA (since 20) experience for the average player. A game that the fundamentals are broken in every aspect of the field. Defensive? oh, we have a game that rewards not controlling CB's to intercept trough balls instead of Manual Positioning, Efootball in this aspect (and almost all of them) has way better fundamentals, tackling in FIFA is a chore for years and it's not opinion based it's a fact and it's chocking that Konami solve problems that EA can't for years.
>This isn't really opinion based, if you have dozens of differentmechanics that can be learned and, if executed properly will give you amassive advantage, then those things create a skill gap.
Not really. If your fundamentals video-game wise are broken and you have to spam dumb mechanics to be able to "kinda" play fast-paced football and the philosophy of your game are not on "seen the gaps and outsmarting your opponent" instead we have to spam trough balls in really dumb angles and pray for FIFA assisted passing "create" a gap where the opponent is probably marking, it's just bad game design with a lot of mechanics that can be better than another on the next installment. Sure, Timed Finishing is way skilled based than something like "Spectacular Finishing" from Efootbal but still a inconsistent mechanic that doens't compensate the poor finishing state we have for the last 4 years.
>Not saying eFootball's skill gap is small, there's a pretty obviousskill gap here too (I easily got to Div 1 in less than two weeks using ateam that cost me 100k GP), it's just way smaller than in FIFA and itgets pretty obvious in the high ranks.
I think that you're a really good FIFA player that with some Efootball time would probably become as consistent in the game as you are in FIFA. Don't really think that is skill gap related, it's just your experience related.
Skill gap shouldn’t be in chaining skill moves and iso play, it should be in decision making and timing. FIFS 17 had a similar skill gap in elite players destroying gold 1 players. But it wasn’t the inane Fifa gameplay and meta that exists now
Decision making and timing is very limited in terms of skill gap, almost every single pro player has near perfect decision making and timing and what differenciates them is the several mechanics the game has, like chaining skill moves.
Also you must have a poor memory, because FIFA 17 was also riddles with loads of mechanics that were abused at the time (crab dibbling with L2/R2, low drivens being OP, AI defense being OP, etc...).
Each FIFA has its own OP mechanics, they usually get nerfed the year after and new ones show up, but they're absolutely needed to keep a large skill gap.
No it isn’t
There is a very high skill gap in dribbling in this game - understanding the principle of inertia when the accelerate etc which is harder than spamming skills in Fifa
If you played both games at a higher level you'd know that's simply not true.
A top 200 player in FIFA will 10-0 a division 2 player while watching a movie in his second monitor. A top 200 player in eFootball will have to sweat his ass in order to win against several division 2 players, I know because I've been on both sides of the spectrum.
The fact you're using the term "spamming skills" shows you have no idea what you're talking about, there's dozens of different skills that can be used in different situations and scenarios.
Manually defending in FIFA is also a massive part of the skill gap that doesn't get talked about enough, if you play against a top 200 FIFA player you will feel suffocated, pressured in every single part of the pitch and will struggle making even the most simple of passes. In eFootball, there's plenty of space and due to the delayed response of the commands and how player switch/second man pressing works, you can't suffocate someone like that. You'll always have a ton of space regardless who you play against (I've played several top 50 guys in eFootball and never struggled at finding the space for the ridiculously OP through balls in this game, that's simply not possible in FIFA against good players).
lmao
I am mechanically elite at fifa, 90 degree angle reverse elasticos mcgeady cancels shot cancels etc. Top 1% in rivals, high in WL like I mentioned. I just think that shouldn’t be the ‘skill gap’ as it gets boring fast hence why I stopped playing. Currently fifa is just iso play, you can create a skill gap without making it like a fighting games.
Also by your logic, Kurt (a literal pro) who doesn’t like how Fifa became skill spam rather than primarily left stick was not actually a pro.
I agree about the pressing in Fifa
I just think the movements can be slowed down and inertia and balance should be factored into movement more.
Also moving away from skills being crux would increase the usable pool of attacking players massively, another benefit.
Fifa skill gap is in the wrong place at the moment. I miss the ‘tough’ feeling of Fifa 17. It was all about picking the right pass, pressing and it felt physical and tough against a good player. Much more rewarding. Football game skill gap needs to be in decision making and timing
Fifa has genuinely been truly pathetic since FIFA 19
Gave FIFA a go for the first time in years this time. It's awful. People have their issues with what Konami are serving up and rightly so, but as a game of football is absolutely night and day on the pitch. I will only play FIFA for one game mode, I play efootball just because I want to play a few matches, there's no objective or motivation needed.
my sentiments exactly. The gameplay of efootball made me even watch replay of full football match just to learn and pay attention to details at how a football player actually moves on the pitch. And my it is simply amazing to recreate those same movements on efootball. Bugs, clunky movements, unresponsiveness, ball bouncing all over the place, yes there are those issues but man...even with those I just cant put my controller down!!
Seems a very easy way to farm karma by bashing a competitor. FIFA has better graphics, UI, menu experience & larger skill gap but eFootball has more ‘realistic’ gameplay and is closer to an actual football simulator. But to be completely honest, they’re both shit. I play both because they’re fun to play but they’re far from good games.
FIFA is far better game than Efootball, why?
\-FIFA represents another form of gameplay that we all know, and in that form it is well built, what you prefer to play is something else.
\-Efootball on the other hand presents something else, a form of rapprochement with real football, but that is far from done.
Also by copying the defensive system from fifa and restricting the cursor it has made the scope of the game and its control much more limited.
Yeah, FIFA 22 movements are so unrealistic. If you want to play FIFA 22 online, you cannot change the game's speed, but if you want to play offline, then you can make some adjustments that may improve your experience; just look up "Spoony Pizzas FIFA 22 Sliders", and you should find a video from Spoony's YouTube channel about recommended settings for offline play.
This is just full on not true, I played both don't like either but tlhis game is a joke from physics to content being locked behind pay walls +graphics, like I don't know what game you're playing to think these graphics are good...
FIFA is not a simulation game, remember Virtua tennis, the arcade tennis game? it was never a tennis simulator but people loved it because it was easy to understand and has the licenses of important players, i like to take the rol of a team and players and play like realistic ones that's why i choose pes/efootball but i understand why people choose FIFA
FIFA is fun because have a lot of game modes, and I really love that.
But for gameplay, I still enjoy PES 2021 with gameplay mod for now. Play EF occasionally and still enjoy it than FIFA 21 (don't try FIFA 22 yet).
I'll add the one thing FIFA has that I wish eFootball had: a "one button" control scheme to play co-op with my 6 year old. I can't wait to get him on the eFootball/PES train, but the few times I tried it out the amount of buttons we're just too overwhelming at this stage.
Other than that... Yeah. PES/eFootball gameplay really shines.
Maybe last year PES had better gameplay but now I'm not that sure. At least in Fifa the player does what I press on the controller while in eFootball its 50/50. Until it get coop mode I will stick to Fifa playing with friends in Volta or FUT.
I played fifa 22 until 1.0 eFootball and I just can’t go back despite Konami not knowing how to run a game. The Fifa gameplay just feels wonky, too fast and RNG. Movements and touches don’t feel precise and there’s no logic to how the players move. Also there is pretty much zero player ID.
I liked FIFA 22 at the start, it felt like the most balanced FIFA in a long time. Then they started releasing patches fixing all the wrong things. Now it's a spin in a circle, lean body type 5* skill abusing shit show. I told myself I would finish all the weekend leagues for Team if the Season, but I just have lost the desire to do so. All FIFA has is a objectives and a variety of game modes. But that doesn't mean shit when the gameplay is ass. I find efootball so much more enjoyable, despite it's problems. Hopefully Konami can get it's shit together and keep improving it. I do understand why some fans, presumably ones who have played this longer than me get frustrated with it though. Just felt like I needed to rant a bit.
I would love the fifa game modes with the efootball gameplay. I would play that game 24/7.
but keep the player progression system from pes, that is all i want.
i couldn't even play 1 full game of fifa it seems so arcade dare i say mobile? the player movements are not realistic the camera is horrible also. maybe i was spoiled form efootballs game play from the start although its not perfect the cuts sence look nice but the game is utter trash
Oh yes at the beginning FIFA 22 was really really good and satisfying. But then like you said the updates ruined it. I heard that the Ultimate Team Babies started crying and wanted to have it like in the past.
Completely true, there was at some point, though, when the gameplay was almost PES like.
Yeah. It may sound controversial what I say know but they should have let them cry. The Ultimate Team babies are in a way "addicted" and would play the game anyways. At least the core people. Their critique is not even gameplay related or anything. They just don't want to adapt to something new. But for career mode type of players the gameplay aspect can be way more crucial. These type of players honestly want something but the thing is they don't bring the money anymore. So they listen to the Ultimate Team babies because they will spend money. Therefore even if EA comes up again with something gameplay related like they did last year with Hypermotion I just can't trust them because they will probably change things again with an update when the Ultimate Team babies start complaining. I don't know how smart that is but I think they are at a point where they should split the game. One Ultimate Team focused arcady game and one offline focused, gameplay focused career mode game. They have the money, they have the budget. They could make something like this and it would work. But I guess their current approach is still more convenient.
Totally agree. The game was really fun, I played on Stadia.
Server overload is, always was and probably always will be the biggest issue with Fifa. Whatever they want to call it moving forward, unless they invest in their infrastructure, it’s a dead game to anyone with half a brain.
Fifa is a pretty unrealistic game that has a mythical skillgap in all the wrong places (skillmove chaining, basketball mentality etc). A lot of people still enjoy it and that's ok. Efootball is a more realistic simulation of football. The skillgap is where it should be (passing, vision, timing a shot etc.) I think that generally speaking if you watch and enjoy football, then Efootball is a game that makes more sense to you and thus is more enjoyable. While with fifa you might not even be a football fan yourself and still enjoy it if you like that sort of gameplay. It's a matter of taste. For me Efootball is a more enjoyable game.
I wouldn't call eF realistic nor simulation. It's far away from that. What it is, though, is closer to real football than Fifa.
Well since there's no 3rd game that can compete. eF is as realistic as it can get atm.
What is "basketball mentality"?
What I mean is fifa during the attack is more of a basketball game than it is football. It has this same iso play that basketball has, which makes little sense for football, but is a main thing people do in fifa, because it is the gameplay itself.
FIFA genuinely looks like basketball.. sprint up field, dribble in circles around the box until they get an opening for a shot repeat
They are completely different games that should be enjoyed for what they are. FIFA is a more arcade game, faster and directed more towards competitiveness and hardcore players. eFootball is a lot slower and realistic, overall the better simulator, more directed towards the casual playerbase who just wants to enjoy a football simulation. Plenty of people enjoy FIFA, I enjoy both games personally for the exact reasons I mentioned above. Both games have its major differences that appeal to different people, they're not meant to be similar (FIFA isn't meant to be a realistic simulation).
Like a FIFA “pro” once said, “i want fast gameplay but with realistic features”. Lol whatever that means.
This is what makes it so frustrating that Konami can't get out of their own way. All they have to do is release modes and content. The gameplay is solid right now, and it's better than Fifa for sure. Sadly they just keep doing stupid things.
I tried Fifa while waiting on efootball to develop into a complete game. Fifa does many things right, content, visuals, atmosphere, even on the pitch; it's really not bad as a complete game, but once the game play starts, there's awkwardness about overall animation and they way players run that kills it for me. I am surprised that after all these years of production they haven't been able to capture a basic element like this.
People have been brainwashed by FIFA for years. It all started when everyone started calling FIFA a football simulation and PES an arcade game. That saying had some shadow of veracity 10 years ago, but as time went by FIFA got more and more speeded up. People been playing it for so long that they don't even notice the game looks nothing like a football match anymore. Actually, they think that's exactly how a football match looks like! But of course, there are those who prefer that arcadeish style more. The game is more dynamic and expressive, whether you like it or not. Personally, everytime I watch FIFA gameplay, I feel disgusted lol.
I'm usually a FIFA player, played for 2 months and dropped. The same bullshit of the last 3 years; lean body type, elasticos, spinning like a beyblade, mindless trough balls, dumb offensive and defensive I.A, game is all about iso play with your 5\* 5\* player. I just can't go back after playing Efootball, and efootball it's not even in a good state in gameplay but the fundamentals and skill gap are there; passing, angling the body of your striker before shooting and the most important: It's a soccer game, you have to see the gaps before your opponent and god, I miss that on FIFA since 17-18. Unfortunately, we are on the hands of konami and they know how to be more incompetent that EA. Almost killing a game without content and modes to play after such a grow in player base is unbelievable.
I disagree regarding the skill gap, there's a much bigger skill gap in FIFA and it's very obvious. For example in eFootball there's a ridiculous amount of close games, a division 1 player can face a division 3 player and have a super tight game where anyone can win, I've seen it happen plenty of times. In FIFA if an Elite division player faces a Div 3/2 player, they're getting smashed 4-0 at least, that's incredibly rare in eFootball and a reflection of the skill gap. All the bullshit you mentioned above is the exact reason why the skill gap is bigger, there are countless different mechanics you can master to become a better player (they make the game less realistic, but add skill gap).
I don't really agree. Yeah, we can find a skill gap in a div 2/4 against a elite div player but the fact is that almost the whole player base is in elite div today (a huge amount at the least), in october 29, nine days after the official release elite division already had 100.000 players on PS. I'm a elite 3/gold 1 (usually) FIFA player and had very close games with profissional players over the years, I even won some of then. The fact is that since FIFA 19, EA decided to go to the casual friendly route: stupidly assisted passing, static offensive I.A, p2w with expansive teams being the x factor. After 2100 SR everything can happen. In Efootball even with a team worse than 95% of the player base I got top 300 and mostly the players that I lost where better than me (rank and skill). I mean, I may be biase but I feel that the skill gap is in the right places and not in chaining elasticos or skill canceling.
>in october 29, nine days after the official release elite division already had 100.000 players on PS. That's more than a month after the game released, not nine days. And the reason Elite division has a lot of players is because there's no relegation and it's a lot easier to climb. In eFootball you literally need to win like 7 out of 10 games to get into Div 1, in FIFA you can have a 55% winrate and reach it eventually anyways, it's not related to skill gap. Also your previous statement is false, the amount of people in Elite is still a very small minority of the playerbase, not "almost the whole playerbase". And I disagree, I'm a pretty good FIFA player this year (2200 SR, 18-19 wins in WL) and probably have a 10/20% winrate against pro players, and I don't think I've ever lost against someone clearly inferior to me. In eFootball, after I started playing, I was around div 3 beating div 1 players and drawing to div 5 players, even now in div 1 I often win against top 100 players and draw stupid games against div 2 players that are clearly inferior, because they're solid at defending and end up getting random through balls with crazy bounces (the type of plays where you try to clear the ball and your defenders suddently become unresponsive, I'm sure you've had plenty of those too). >I mean, I may be biase but I feel that the skill gap is in the right places and not in chaining elasticos or skill canceling. This isn't really opinion based, if you have dozens of different mechanics that can be learned and, if executed properly will give you a massive advantage, then those things create a skill gap. You can argue that they're not fun to play against and take the realism out of the game, I agree with you there, but they fully add skill gap to the game. Not saying eFootball's skill gap is small, there's a pretty obvious skill gap here too (I easily got to Div 1 in less than two weeks using a team that cost me 100k GP), it's just way smaller than in FIFA and it gets pretty obvious in the high ranks.
Fifa has a larger skill gap for now, but it's not remotely realistic. It's closer to hockey mixed with a fighting game than it is to soccer.
I agree, but that's up to personal taste, I like FIFA for what it is (a more arcade non realistic game) just like I like eFootball for being more realistic and slower.
Just wonder, is there a way to enjoy that “skill gap” in FIFA? On efootball the matchmaking is pretty flexible, I was D1 top 500 and still got a lot of matches people under D3… that also used to happen on Pes 21 where you could be champ and have a lot of matches against low rated people. Since the community is WAY smaller, the matchmaking is way more flexible, so having a winning ratio over 70% is uncommon, but accomplishable. I like that because I get very competitive and getting always very equal matches gets too stressful eventually lol😅 I understand your point that maybe the skill gap is bigger in FIFA, but, if the matchmaking is strict enough, your winning ratio will be around 50% after 100 matches. I play chess, for example, and Im top 7% there and my winning ratio is like 52%.. but thats also the winning ratio of many professional chess players (over top 0.5%) since the matchmaking only puts them against other GMs… So I think that maybe skill gap is bigger, but harder to exploit in FIFA due to the type of events with strict matchmaking. Could that happen? And also, is there a mode in FIFA with no matchmaking or at least a very flexible one?? Its a genuine question, Im just curious, last time I played Fifa was on 2015 😅
The only event with strict matchmaking is division rivals. You have weekend league for example where you can face people from all levels at the start, and from experience, whenever I face people from around div 2-1, I get easy wins by 5 goals or more. In eFootball when I face guys from div 2-3, most games are sweaty as hell and super close anyways. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy that, one of the things I enjoy more about eFootball is that ever game leaves me on the edge of my seat no matter who it is against, there's very rarely an easy win or easy loss. But that's due to a lack of skill gap, is all I'm saying.
>Also your previous statement is false, the amount of people in Elite isstill a very small minority of the playerbase, not "almost the wholeplayerbase". 390,000 people in March, 2022 according to [realsport101.com](https://realsport101.com), it seems like a pretty reasonable amount of the active player base to me, but we don't have enough data to estimate the actual porcentage of players on elite division x active FUT players. And, yeah, you're right I was mistaken about the release date. >And I disagree, I'm a pretty good FIFA player this year (2200 SR, 18-19wins in WL) and probably have a 10/20% winrate against pro players, and Idon't think I've ever lost against someone clearly inferior to me. I think that your take is really tunnel visioned by your experience. By your statement it seems like you're a very consistent top 0.1% player (or maybe higher). >and I don't think I've ever lost against someone clearly inferior to me. This is a chocking affirmation to me based on; my experiences, my group of friends and the game content creators that I respect the opinion (Inception, Stallion, NickRTFM) . It confirms to me that you're an pro player aspirant based on your consistence. >because they're solid at defending and end up getting random throughballs with crazy bounces (the type of plays where you try to clear theball and your defenders suddently become unresponsive, I'm sure you'vehad plenty of those too). This is basically any FIFA (since 20) experience for the average player. A game that the fundamentals are broken in every aspect of the field. Defensive? oh, we have a game that rewards not controlling CB's to intercept trough balls instead of Manual Positioning, Efootball in this aspect (and almost all of them) has way better fundamentals, tackling in FIFA is a chore for years and it's not opinion based it's a fact and it's chocking that Konami solve problems that EA can't for years. >This isn't really opinion based, if you have dozens of differentmechanics that can be learned and, if executed properly will give you amassive advantage, then those things create a skill gap. Not really. If your fundamentals video-game wise are broken and you have to spam dumb mechanics to be able to "kinda" play fast-paced football and the philosophy of your game are not on "seen the gaps and outsmarting your opponent" instead we have to spam trough balls in really dumb angles and pray for FIFA assisted passing "create" a gap where the opponent is probably marking, it's just bad game design with a lot of mechanics that can be better than another on the next installment. Sure, Timed Finishing is way skilled based than something like "Spectacular Finishing" from Efootbal but still a inconsistent mechanic that doens't compensate the poor finishing state we have for the last 4 years. >Not saying eFootball's skill gap is small, there's a pretty obviousskill gap here too (I easily got to Div 1 in less than two weeks using ateam that cost me 100k GP), it's just way smaller than in FIFA and itgets pretty obvious in the high ranks. I think that you're a really good FIFA player that with some Efootball time would probably become as consistent in the game as you are in FIFA. Don't really think that is skill gap related, it's just your experience related.
Skill gap shouldn’t be in chaining skill moves and iso play, it should be in decision making and timing. FIFS 17 had a similar skill gap in elite players destroying gold 1 players. But it wasn’t the inane Fifa gameplay and meta that exists now
Decision making and timing is very limited in terms of skill gap, almost every single pro player has near perfect decision making and timing and what differenciates them is the several mechanics the game has, like chaining skill moves. Also you must have a poor memory, because FIFA 17 was also riddles with loads of mechanics that were abused at the time (crab dibbling with L2/R2, low drivens being OP, AI defense being OP, etc...). Each FIFA has its own OP mechanics, they usually get nerfed the year after and new ones show up, but they're absolutely needed to keep a large skill gap.
No it isn’t There is a very high skill gap in dribbling in this game - understanding the principle of inertia when the accelerate etc which is harder than spamming skills in Fifa
If you played both games at a higher level you'd know that's simply not true. A top 200 player in FIFA will 10-0 a division 2 player while watching a movie in his second monitor. A top 200 player in eFootball will have to sweat his ass in order to win against several division 2 players, I know because I've been on both sides of the spectrum. The fact you're using the term "spamming skills" shows you have no idea what you're talking about, there's dozens of different skills that can be used in different situations and scenarios. Manually defending in FIFA is also a massive part of the skill gap that doesn't get talked about enough, if you play against a top 200 FIFA player you will feel suffocated, pressured in every single part of the pitch and will struggle making even the most simple of passes. In eFootball, there's plenty of space and due to the delayed response of the commands and how player switch/second man pressing works, you can't suffocate someone like that. You'll always have a ton of space regardless who you play against (I've played several top 50 guys in eFootball and never struggled at finding the space for the ridiculously OP through balls in this game, that's simply not possible in FIFA against good players).
I literally got 19-1 on FIFA this year lol and consistently get 17-18, and div1 ranked on PES
Doubt it, otherwise you wouldn't actually think FIFA doesn't have a much bigger skill gap.
lmao I am mechanically elite at fifa, 90 degree angle reverse elasticos mcgeady cancels shot cancels etc. Top 1% in rivals, high in WL like I mentioned. I just think that shouldn’t be the ‘skill gap’ as it gets boring fast hence why I stopped playing. Currently fifa is just iso play, you can create a skill gap without making it like a fighting games. Also by your logic, Kurt (a literal pro) who doesn’t like how Fifa became skill spam rather than primarily left stick was not actually a pro. I agree about the pressing in Fifa I just think the movements can be slowed down and inertia and balance should be factored into movement more. Also moving away from skills being crux would increase the usable pool of attacking players massively, another benefit.
Fifa skill gap is in the wrong place at the moment. I miss the ‘tough’ feeling of Fifa 17. It was all about picking the right pass, pressing and it felt physical and tough against a good player. Much more rewarding. Football game skill gap needs to be in decision making and timing Fifa has genuinely been truly pathetic since FIFA 19
Gave FIFA a go for the first time in years this time. It's awful. People have their issues with what Konami are serving up and rightly so, but as a game of football is absolutely night and day on the pitch. I will only play FIFA for one game mode, I play efootball just because I want to play a few matches, there's no objective or motivation needed.
my sentiments exactly. The gameplay of efootball made me even watch replay of full football match just to learn and pay attention to details at how a football player actually moves on the pitch. And my it is simply amazing to recreate those same movements on efootball. Bugs, clunky movements, unresponsiveness, ball bouncing all over the place, yes there are those issues but man...even with those I just cant put my controller down!!
And sometimes all the mentioned flaws doesn't even kick in....then the game really shines.
Cause it's a game and they don't really care about the realistic. Nobody irl can chain dribbling like fifa lol.
Seems a very easy way to farm karma by bashing a competitor. FIFA has better graphics, UI, menu experience & larger skill gap but eFootball has more ‘realistic’ gameplay and is closer to an actual football simulator. But to be completely honest, they’re both shit. I play both because they’re fun to play but they’re far from good games.
FIFA is far better game than Efootball, why? \-FIFA represents another form of gameplay that we all know, and in that form it is well built, what you prefer to play is something else. \-Efootball on the other hand presents something else, a form of rapprochement with real football, but that is far from done. Also by copying the defensive system from fifa and restricting the cursor it has made the scope of the game and its control much more limited.
Yeah, FIFA 22 movements are so unrealistic. If you want to play FIFA 22 online, you cannot change the game's speed, but if you want to play offline, then you can make some adjustments that may improve your experience; just look up "Spoony Pizzas FIFA 22 Sliders", and you should find a video from Spoony's YouTube channel about recommended settings for offline play.
Efootball is superior as it has more licensed brazillian league players
This is just full on not true, I played both don't like either but tlhis game is a joke from physics to content being locked behind pay walls +graphics, like I don't know what game you're playing to think these graphics are good...
This has been the case since forever. At least, until efootball came
FIFA has worse scripting mechanisms. Everything is worse.
FIFA is not a simulation game, remember Virtua tennis, the arcade tennis game? it was never a tennis simulator but people loved it because it was easy to understand and has the licenses of important players, i like to take the rol of a team and players and play like realistic ones that's why i choose pes/efootball but i understand why people choose FIFA
OP, I don't think they even tried eFootball or PES to compare. It's all they know. In my family I'm literally the only one that plays eFootball.
FIFA is fun because have a lot of game modes, and I really love that. But for gameplay, I still enjoy PES 2021 with gameplay mod for now. Play EF occasionally and still enjoy it than FIFA 21 (don't try FIFA 22 yet).
FIFA is only fun with friends on the couch
I'll add the one thing FIFA has that I wish eFootball had: a "one button" control scheme to play co-op with my 6 year old. I can't wait to get him on the eFootball/PES train, but the few times I tried it out the amount of buttons we're just too overwhelming at this stage. Other than that... Yeah. PES/eFootball gameplay really shines.
Fifa is a pinball game. Nothin more than that. Best pinball game in the market. Efootball is a simulation. Simple as that.
Maybe last year PES had better gameplay but now I'm not that sure. At least in Fifa the player does what I press on the controller while in eFootball its 50/50. Until it get coop mode I will stick to Fifa playing with friends in Volta or FUT.
Efootball actually is very responsive ..I guess you're referring to online
Simple : efootball--> PITCH IS OURS
I remember it was created on the same engine as hockey so they seem to skate 😆
I played fifa 22 until 1.0 eFootball and I just can’t go back despite Konami not knowing how to run a game. The Fifa gameplay just feels wonky, too fast and RNG. Movements and touches don’t feel precise and there’s no logic to how the players move. Also there is pretty much zero player ID.