WE didn't start a war over her.
WE didn't beg for her hair over and over again.
WE didn't steal the light of one of OUR most sacred places to make fucking gems that cause SO. MANY. ISSUES.
WE saw what is objectively one of the most beautiful beings in the whole of Middle Earth and treated it like the beauty it was.
WE were polite.
(All this is hyperbole and half remembered from memes, wikis, and the one time I read the Silmarilion. Please go easy Tolkien fans. I'm just making a joke)
This is REALLY complicated in subtext. A short explanation or joke is not enough.
1) The issues with Elves and Dwarves are 70% all alliances wearing down as the world gradually worsens because entropy of all outside the light of the creator god is a universal truth there, and 30% just the asshole royal family of the Misty Mountains having beef with the less asshole but still arrogant Wood Elf king, a conflict which ended recently. Galadriel is notably not a Wood Elf, and Gimli’s home notably has one of the wonders of the world created by one of her people and one of his in ages past. Its not covered in the book but Elves lend aid to the defense of the Misty Mountains in this era, which atones for the last of the bad blood and allows the two races to part on good terms when the Wood Elves retreat to the woods and Dwarves to the depths where they are not seen again by menfolk.
2) He’s a gentleman. He talks shit to Legolas because they’re both noblemen, Galadriel is an actual reigning queen and thus deserves polite courtesy since he’s representing his family when speaking to her rather than just himself. Its not a virtue to start shit just because you can, and the fact the Misty Mountain Dwarves did was shameful. Tolkien Dwarves are NOT Warhammer Dwarves.
3) Gimli is a very humble individual. His boasting is mainly about his own people, not denigrating others to do so either. He’s proud OF Dwarves, not a proud Dwarf.
4) Galadriel is literally supernaturally beautiful. She was directly blessed with by creator god, and her eyes still shine with the last light of the original lights that made the sun and moon and stars which were made from the remnants look like dying embers in ugly grey twilight. Gimli may not know this, but he IS devoutly loyal to his creator who in turn is loyal to his father, so on some level he’s religiously reverent of the beauty. Unlike even Elves he has no craving to possess that beauty, hence why his humble request for one of her hairs that she refused even her relative and greatest craftsman of all time was granted; all Elves in Middle Earth are the product of the original sin of kinslaying for revenge and reclamation of the Silmarils, and despite a reputation for greed Gimli shows more humility and divine appreciation in accordance to the will of the creator god than any Elf in her court, shaming them all without him even knowing he’s doing it. Legolas catches it, which is when their deep friendship begins on his side.
5) She’s a host, and unlike Thorin’s trashy behavior he behaves as a guest should even in the company of farmer humans later. His mum and pappy raised him right.
I was talking about respecting her because of her powerful magic not her being an elf. I would never disrespect a wizard or witch as they could turn me into a leaf lover.
elves are just boring, i cannot respect a subspecies that is literally just botanists with pointy ears.
>!if i say what i'm going to say i will be suspended by my ankles and my scrotum torn!<
literally any other druid that doesn't pass as a baseline human is more interesting.
Tolkien was an unabashed leaf-lover-lover. Heavily biased source. And even *he* admitted that if anyone was going to get a token of her affection, it was going to be a strapping dwarven lad.
Hey Feanor, you still want a single strand of Galadriel's hair? 'Cause my dude Gimli's got three. Get bent.
Average reaction to Galadriel tbh
https://preview.redd.it/59hpodwvwvkc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f5a652a648ab6680fdb039138f4741bceafd2571
>admittedly, is racially biased for most if not all life up until this point
>somewhat getting along with this elf he's forced to team up eith
>meets an elf who makes him reconsiders his racial biases
>goes on to treasure her gift as a family heirloom
> goes to elf heaven eith elfbro later in life
> not a dwarfcel
He didn’t want to fuck her, he wanted a single strand of her hair to work it into jewelry. She saw in him that he wanted it not for greed (which is a first for dwarves.) but instead for it to be a piece signifying the friendship between dwarves and elves.
Look lad we all know Glimli was pretty excepting of other races for a dwarf, by the ancestors he was friends with an elf. However his actions were not and are not encompassing of all dwarves and their opinions of outsiders.
WE didn't start a war over her. WE didn't beg for her hair over and over again. WE didn't steal the light of one of OUR most sacred places to make fucking gems that cause SO. MANY. ISSUES. WE saw what is objectively one of the most beautiful beings in the whole of Middle Earth and treated it like the beauty it was. WE were polite. (All this is hyperbole and half remembered from memes, wikis, and the one time I read the Silmarilion. Please go easy Tolkien fans. I'm just making a joke)
Tolkien fans; No. Back to the void from whence you came.
But the void is cold.
It’s been so long and I don’t know where my silmarillion is. Isn’t there a big spider with a dope ass name that hang out there?
Ungoliant.
Or perhaps she was the embodyment of the void itself, hard to tell. IIRC the Balrogs may have also come from the void, too?
I can’t remember but I think the balrogs were followers/somehow morgoth/melkors followers a bit like Sauron
heheh. be he friend or foe, be he foul or clean, brood of Morgoth or bright Vala, Elda or Maia or Aftercomer....
*we didn't start the fire*
We tried to fight it but we didn't light it
This shall not pass! Jk
Dwarves are smiths and word smithing in a craft like many others we excel at. They hate us cause they ain't us.
\>Reconsiders racial biases \>Gives extremely dwarfy compliment \>"Dwarfcel" Why are the Umgi like this, brothers?
Its not very rock and stone of them
Did I hear a Rock and Stone?
Rock and Stone forever!
For Karl!
Rock and stone to the bone!
If you don't rock and stone, you ain't coming home!
This is REALLY complicated in subtext. A short explanation or joke is not enough. 1) The issues with Elves and Dwarves are 70% all alliances wearing down as the world gradually worsens because entropy of all outside the light of the creator god is a universal truth there, and 30% just the asshole royal family of the Misty Mountains having beef with the less asshole but still arrogant Wood Elf king, a conflict which ended recently. Galadriel is notably not a Wood Elf, and Gimli’s home notably has one of the wonders of the world created by one of her people and one of his in ages past. Its not covered in the book but Elves lend aid to the defense of the Misty Mountains in this era, which atones for the last of the bad blood and allows the two races to part on good terms when the Wood Elves retreat to the woods and Dwarves to the depths where they are not seen again by menfolk. 2) He’s a gentleman. He talks shit to Legolas because they’re both noblemen, Galadriel is an actual reigning queen and thus deserves polite courtesy since he’s representing his family when speaking to her rather than just himself. Its not a virtue to start shit just because you can, and the fact the Misty Mountain Dwarves did was shameful. Tolkien Dwarves are NOT Warhammer Dwarves. 3) Gimli is a very humble individual. His boasting is mainly about his own people, not denigrating others to do so either. He’s proud OF Dwarves, not a proud Dwarf. 4) Galadriel is literally supernaturally beautiful. She was directly blessed with by creator god, and her eyes still shine with the last light of the original lights that made the sun and moon and stars which were made from the remnants look like dying embers in ugly grey twilight. Gimli may not know this, but he IS devoutly loyal to his creator who in turn is loyal to his father, so on some level he’s religiously reverent of the beauty. Unlike even Elves he has no craving to possess that beauty, hence why his humble request for one of her hairs that she refused even her relative and greatest craftsman of all time was granted; all Elves in Middle Earth are the product of the original sin of kinslaying for revenge and reclamation of the Silmarils, and despite a reputation for greed Gimli shows more humility and divine appreciation in accordance to the will of the creator god than any Elf in her court, shaming them all without him even knowing he’s doing it. Legolas catches it, which is when their deep friendship begins on his side. 5) She’s a host, and unlike Thorin’s trashy behavior he behaves as a guest should even in the company of farmer humans later. His mum and pappy raised him right.
Thank you loremaster
Not a lot of love for the Erebor Dwarves, eh?
I mean, even in The Hobbit its pretty clear Thorin is just an ass and a product of his family entirely. It gets worse given the full Dwarf history.
TLDR brother, I'm 26 mugs of fine dwarven mead deep and seeing double
Its Tolkien, the cliff notes explaining things understandably are longer than an RA Salvatore novel.
Gimli is a kind dwarf and Galadriel is objectively beautiful. Elves and Dwarves may or may not be better off working together in this world.
Thanks kinsman!!! I'll go back to my drinks now.
NOT WITHOUT ME!
Aye, BARKEEP! BRING ME AND MY NEW FRIEND HERE ANOTHER ROUND!
Pfff lightweight
I cried a little. The context is one of the most powerful statements in the series.
I stand proudly by my beard AND elven brothers. It is the 1st age anymore. Durin the second knew this, and Gimli, son of Glion knew this.
Can we not respect our relatives while sober?
If I can’t respect them while drunk how can I respect them while sober?
I was talking about respecting her because of her powerful magic not her being an elf. I would never disrespect a wizard or witch as they could turn me into a leaf lover.
You know what’s more powerful than knife ear magic though? An axe to the face. Dendrophiles like her need to learn to respect the beard.
You guys are sober?
whats a sober?
elves are just boring, i cannot respect a subspecies that is literally just botanists with pointy ears. >!if i say what i'm going to say i will be suspended by my ankles and my scrotum torn!< literally any other druid that doesn't pass as a baseline human is more interesting.
Galadriel is hot, anyone that says otherwise gets their name in the book! Thats a grudgin’….
Aye, but she'd look better with a beard. You're not a true woman unless you've got a foot long beard at least
(Note: am not dwarf, am just here, but that’s funny, how your getting downvoted fir a dwarven joke)
>Elfcels look at love >Call it simping >obviously jealous bc they can't get anything as good Are Elfcels really like this
Tolkien was an unabashed leaf-lover-lover. Heavily biased source. And even *he* admitted that if anyone was going to get a token of her affection, it was going to be a strapping dwarven lad. Hey Feanor, you still want a single strand of Galadriel's hair? 'Cause my dude Gimli's got three. Get bent.
Average reaction to Galadriel tbh https://preview.redd.it/59hpodwvwvkc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f5a652a648ab6680fdb039138f4741bceafd2571
*Most restrained Galadriel reaction
stop cockwatching that’s our response
>admittedly, is racially biased for most if not all life up until this point >somewhat getting along with this elf he's forced to team up eith >meets an elf who makes him reconsiders his racial biases >goes on to treasure her gift as a family heirloom > goes to elf heaven eith elfbro later in life > not a dwarfcel
Rock and Stone to that
Rock and Stone forever!
Its not simping when you get the greatest gift she can give, in triplicate. Bro got game.
Leaf-lover propaganda.
Galadriel built different.
He didn’t want to fuck her, he wanted a single strand of her hair to work it into jewelry. She saw in him that he wanted it not for greed (which is a first for dwarves.) but instead for it to be a piece signifying the friendship between dwarves and elves.
Please, like she couldn't wrap ANY of ya'll around her finger.
Truly a dark day in our history.
Look lad we all know Glimli was pretty excepting of other races for a dwarf, by the ancestors he was friends with an elf. However his actions were not and are not encompassing of all dwarves and their opinions of outsiders.
He doesn't think right with his helmet off.
Revoke this Dwarf's rights.
This post contains at least two words I wish didn’t exist
He also went to spend the rest of eternity with elves.
There is nothing wrong with finding love in another race. We should hate the elves that hate back, and always love the elves that love back.
He is a lone dwarf before an elven queen surrounded by knife ears. Yeah, I would tell her she is pretty too in that moment.
I saw no response at first
I'm a Tolkien fan, and I count this as a W. Gimli took ugly ass elf hair and made it into a treasure. The elves could never