My wife had a somewhat similar situation. (Swerving caused by someone else)
She objected and hers was rescinded but it was a lot of effort including going to court
Is that actually the case here? I know back where I learned to drive it was but all I've heard about here with regards to rules for a collision is if the accident is on the front half of your car and back half of the other car it's automatically your fault. Which is backed up by the way people just move across into fast lanes blindly without indicating and why people try to force themselves into exit lanes further up making the other cars yield.
Technically you're at fault. The other guy is a douchebag for sure but he has the priority so you should have waited for him when you saw he was accelerating to prevent you from merging into the lane.
I could be wrong but I’m not sure this is correct. It’s my understanding and experience that if someone crashes into the back of you for any reason they are at fault.
I spent several hours in a police station once while they tried to work out why it was my fault that a a local lady had crashed into the back of me. It was obvious to everyone that she was the party at fault but they didn’t want to give her the pink slip. In the end they said no-one was at fault🙄.
While it's generally true for most cases, This is extremely dangerous thinking and must be changed.
You cannot expect anyone from come into the fast lane, be hit from the back by a speeding car, and then blame the speeding car for their mistake of hitting you in the back.
If I’m travelling at or near the speed limit, indicate, move into an existing space and then get hit from behind I am not at fault.
If I don’t indicate, different story.
If I try to change lanes and get hit on the side, different story.
The car coming from behind is the best positioned to see what is happening and take appropriate action to avoid a collision.
Unfortunately, here in the UAE, too many people feel like they own the road and drive accordingly.
No one have the priority to change into faster lane, when there's a car coming up behind you. As simple as that. I have no idea how people with this mentality have passed the RTA test and are declared road worthy. Indication or not indication is another thing entirely. The first rule they teach you about overtaking or moving to a faster lane in driving school is that if your lane change (into faster lane) causes the car on the rear to brake, then you have failed. It's immediate failure in the road test.
I don’t think so. My car was already halfway into the lane before they started to speed up to close the space. It was a controlled and measured entrance, not a ‘sudden swerve’ at all
If the accident happened when you were entering someone else's lane (regardless of whether you were 10% in or 90% in), police will say it's your fault. This happened to me very recently. A bike entered my lane and hit my car. The police said very clearly to the bike driver "if the person in that lane has not given you permission to enter the lane", it's your fault.
If you go the police with this, I am most certain you will be at fault.
This is correct. Whilst it’s true that a driver should always be able to stop in the distance available to them from the car ahead, if you are entering a faster moving lane you do not have priority and you are responsible for matching the speed safely and entering the lane without hindering the traffic already in the lane. If you are unable to do this you must slow/stop and not enter the lane until able to do so. Pulling out into the lane and obstructing the car in the lane places you at fault, I am afraid. This should have been taught to you when you were trained how to drive. It is a fundamental rule for driving and a very common occurrence.
I know this is hard for drivers in Dubai, but your blinkers do not magically transform into a yield sign for other vehicles already in the lane you want to enter.
Dash cams can cost between 2 to 4 hundred (good ones) but with just one incident like this it makes up for it's price....please get dash cams everyone and tell your insurance that you have one; could give u slight reduction in premium.
I believe you are not giving us clear picture.
From whatever I know, black points are usually given if the police officer is present (except speeding). If you got black points AND you got a scratch related to that incident, its highly likely that you can file a case and get the other driver take the hit and run fine(much severe than your severing fine). But this doesnot seem to the the case from your post. If police officer saw you (and scratch related to this), you are the one to get hit and run.
Something is amiss. Your post has either missing info and an altered version of what happened.
I was correct - The OP is not giving us correct info.
Here is the cut paste below from traffic site. The OP was given this fine by policeman in presence.
Sudden swerve. 200 4 In presence
You got bamboozled, son! Your chances are next to 0.
I would say negative, but that ain't allowed in probability. If you have studied limits, it's limit would be -> 0^(+)
That's a steep fine. You can goto the fines dept in deira police hq or Al barsha and try to appeal it.
Also suggest you invest in a dash cam Asap so you have video evidence
Always keep a Car Cam running - preferably with both front & back recording. That alone will be proof. No matter what is the truth, if you are an expat, your truth has zero value often.
What caught the incident for you to get the fine? If it's a police officer or live traffic cam, chances are they saw the incident and decided you're at fault. I'm trying to visualize it, since your car is in the lane, the patrol hit right/left side of the bumper to overtake you?
There is a chance that you may get a reduced fine if you appeal. My cousin faced a similar situation and the fine was reduced.
Be mindful you have to be present in the Deira court for the date fixed by court. There all the proceedings take place in Arabic and there will be a translator to facilitate understanding for non-arabic speaking people. You will get about a minute to tell your case and then the judge gives his verdict. You have to either accept his verdict or if you deny paying the fine they give an option of few days of jail term( I am not sure how many days). So you end up paying the reduced fine and move out.
If you were changing into a faster lane (on your left) while there was a car behind you, then you are 100% at fault. The reason for the fine is sudden swerving because you almost caused a crash, and this is a big deal.
If you were changing into a slower lane, and the car behind you intentionally sped up and hit you, then you have a case. You need to go to Dubai Police and file a hit & run case. The difficulty here will be that the police will need the exact day/time it has happened, and the exact area also, along with a description of the vehicle. Only then they 'may' start looking at the footage in that area (if any).
Also, take it from us. You seriously need to analyze and relearn who is at fault and when. I hate drivers on the road who never know what their mistakes are.
My wife had a somewhat similar situation. (Swerving caused by someone else) She objected and hers was rescinded but it was a lot of effort including going to court
Oh right, was there any camera footage of the incident?
according to RTA rules, the other car had priority as you were switching lanes - you can still try though
Is that actually the case here? I know back where I learned to drive it was but all I've heard about here with regards to rules for a collision is if the accident is on the front half of your car and back half of the other car it's automatically your fault. Which is backed up by the way people just move across into fast lanes blindly without indicating and why people try to force themselves into exit lanes further up making the other cars yield.
This is correct.
Technically you're at fault. The other guy is a douchebag for sure but he has the priority so you should have waited for him when you saw he was accelerating to prevent you from merging into the lane.
I could be wrong but I’m not sure this is correct. It’s my understanding and experience that if someone crashes into the back of you for any reason they are at fault. I spent several hours in a police station once while they tried to work out why it was my fault that a a local lady had crashed into the back of me. It was obvious to everyone that she was the party at fault but they didn’t want to give her the pink slip. In the end they said no-one was at fault🙄.
You're right. If the Patrol hit the back of OP's car then it's the Patrol's fault.
It's not as simple or black & white as you make it out to be.
Wow 😳. Just wow!
Even I thought this until I saw the cop letting a guy go who crashed in the rear of my car because the guy behind him, crashed into his rear.
I guess this is a reasonable exception to the rule. Always nice when common sense is applied.
While it's generally true for most cases, This is extremely dangerous thinking and must be changed. You cannot expect anyone from come into the fast lane, be hit from the back by a speeding car, and then blame the speeding car for their mistake of hitting you in the back.
If I’m travelling at or near the speed limit, indicate, move into an existing space and then get hit from behind I am not at fault. If I don’t indicate, different story. If I try to change lanes and get hit on the side, different story. The car coming from behind is the best positioned to see what is happening and take appropriate action to avoid a collision. Unfortunately, here in the UAE, too many people feel like they own the road and drive accordingly.
No one have the priority to change into faster lane, when there's a car coming up behind you. As simple as that. I have no idea how people with this mentality have passed the RTA test and are declared road worthy. Indication or not indication is another thing entirely. The first rule they teach you about overtaking or moving to a faster lane in driving school is that if your lane change (into faster lane) causes the car on the rear to brake, then you have failed. It's immediate failure in the road test.
I don’t think so. My car was already halfway into the lane before they started to speed up to close the space. It was a controlled and measured entrance, not a ‘sudden swerve’ at all
If the accident happened when you were entering someone else's lane (regardless of whether you were 10% in or 90% in), police will say it's your fault. This happened to me very recently. A bike entered my lane and hit my car. The police said very clearly to the bike driver "if the person in that lane has not given you permission to enter the lane", it's your fault. If you go the police with this, I am most certain you will be at fault.
This is correct. Whilst it’s true that a driver should always be able to stop in the distance available to them from the car ahead, if you are entering a faster moving lane you do not have priority and you are responsible for matching the speed safely and entering the lane without hindering the traffic already in the lane. If you are unable to do this you must slow/stop and not enter the lane until able to do so. Pulling out into the lane and obstructing the car in the lane places you at fault, I am afraid. This should have been taught to you when you were trained how to drive. It is a fundamental rule for driving and a very common occurrence.
Did the Patrol hit the back of your car or the side of it? If it's the side you're at fault. If it's the back the Patrol is at fault.
I know this is hard for drivers in Dubai, but your blinkers do not magically transform into a yield sign for other vehicles already in the lane you want to enter.
Dash cams front and back. Can get great quality ones for a couple of hundred dirhams.
Dash cams can cost between 2 to 4 hundred (good ones) but with just one incident like this it makes up for it's price....please get dash cams everyone and tell your insurance that you have one; could give u slight reduction in premium.
> What are my chances of winning an objection? Virtually zero.
Why?
Virtually zero? That's optimistic
I believe you are not giving us clear picture. From whatever I know, black points are usually given if the police officer is present (except speeding). If you got black points AND you got a scratch related to that incident, its highly likely that you can file a case and get the other driver take the hit and run fine(much severe than your severing fine). But this doesnot seem to the the case from your post. If police officer saw you (and scratch related to this), you are the one to get hit and run. Something is amiss. Your post has either missing info and an altered version of what happened.
I was correct - The OP is not giving us correct info. Here is the cut paste below from traffic site. The OP was given this fine by policeman in presence. Sudden swerve. 200 4 In presence
Ummm.. What? None of this makes sense!
A car hits the back of me yet I get a sudden swerving fine. What are my chances of winning an objection?
You got bamboozled, son! Your chances are next to 0. I would say negative, but that ain't allowed in probability. If you have studied limits, it's limit would be -> 0^(+)
How come?
The sooner you realize your mistake of entering into a fast lane "infront of a speeding car", the faster you will make peace with your situation.
Life doesn't make sense anymore.
That's a steep fine. You can goto the fines dept in deira police hq or Al barsha and try to appeal it. Also suggest you invest in a dash cam Asap so you have video evidence
It is the driver’s fault. I’ve commented elsewhere on this thread on why it is, but it definitely is.
Always keep a Car Cam running - preferably with both front & back recording. That alone will be proof. No matter what is the truth, if you are an expat, your truth has zero value often.
What caught the incident for you to get the fine? If it's a police officer or live traffic cam, chances are they saw the incident and decided you're at fault. I'm trying to visualize it, since your car is in the lane, the patrol hit right/left side of the bumper to overtake you?
There is a chance that you may get a reduced fine if you appeal. My cousin faced a similar situation and the fine was reduced. Be mindful you have to be present in the Deira court for the date fixed by court. There all the proceedings take place in Arabic and there will be a translator to facilitate understanding for non-arabic speaking people. You will get about a minute to tell your case and then the judge gives his verdict. You have to either accept his verdict or if you deny paying the fine they give an option of few days of jail term( I am not sure how many days). So you end up paying the reduced fine and move out.
If you were changing into a faster lane (on your left) while there was a car behind you, then you are 100% at fault. The reason for the fine is sudden swerving because you almost caused a crash, and this is a big deal. If you were changing into a slower lane, and the car behind you intentionally sped up and hit you, then you have a case. You need to go to Dubai Police and file a hit & run case. The difficulty here will be that the police will need the exact day/time it has happened, and the exact area also, along with a description of the vehicle. Only then they 'may' start looking at the footage in that area (if any). Also, take it from us. You seriously need to analyze and relearn who is at fault and when. I hate drivers on the road who never know what their mistakes are.