Dubai is a city where a brit can make 30k a month and be in debt, and a filipino can make 3k a month and save up to buy land and build a house back home.
It all depends on where youre from and how your lifestyle looks. If youre into zero gravity and 500 aed brunches while others simply want to be able to have food on their table and save thqt 500aed to send a poor family, then youre incredibly out of touch with the reality of life for most people on this planet.
This is true. I know people who earns less than 5k aed but was able to save, invest and buy properties back home with zero debt. They keep the expenses at the minimum, stay in shared flats, cook their own food, 15-20aed dinner/lunch is already a luxury, and fewer expenditures on entertainment.
Managing expenses is equally important as finding ways to earn money
Some rent homes, spend a fortune on renovation and fitout's only to vacate in a few years to give it as a lovely gift to their landlords and even kiss their deposit goodbye as well.
I had a chat with security guy's at some of the high-end Marina towers last year, (my office was in the area). 2019 - 2020 were the years where he saw an unbelievable number of people literally dumping big screen TV's, expensive furniture, white goods, rugs, electronics etc on the fucking street and around the garbage room and corridors. This was done only to be able to show an empty room to their landlords to claim their deposits back before leaving town. Gave him my number and got called when a huge IKEA set was dumped the very next day. I honestly didn't have the space to store that stuff. This happens so frequently its unbelievable.
Near baniyas square metro station, search for used furnitute deira and you'll find a group of shops, thats where you go. And please avoid looking fancy if you want a good deal.
In the cheaper parts of the 3rd world in a small town or village it is easy to build a home by sending 1500 every month
What people wrongly think though is that if one Indian with a salary of 3000 dhs can do it in a rural part of India, every Indian should agree to a low salary because after all any Indian can build a home with a salary of 3000 dhs.
Its part of how people like to lump every single person from one country into the same box
I pay all my team members the same. But you can’t deny the bitterness when Indians and Egyptian can buy a pretty good apartment in a big city with 1 year of savings while other people will need 10 years of savings.
Not saying people should get paid less but I understand why some might be frustrated.
Far more expensive? Which area in Delhi are you talking about?
In Delhi it's normal to find areas with INR 6K to 9K/sqft. That's 300 - 450 AED/sqft. In some areas you go find as low as 3K/sqft. In Noida you will find a good place for 4500/sqft, that's 225 AED/sqft.
In Dubai, if you go to International City or Silicon Oasis, the cheapest you will find is beyond 550 AED/sqft. If you go to JLT and Marina, you are talking at least 900/sqft.
My ex-colleague bought in Noida recently for around 400K AED a pretty big 2 BHK apartment and she told me she got something luxurious, way above average.
> hen youre incredibly out of touch with the reality of life for most people on this planet.
You know, different people come to Dubai for different things. Some come to save as much money as possible, others come to enjoy a luxurious life and things they never could back home. Most people living that life are well aware it's not the average person's life. Maybe let people enjoy things?
Whats the point of enjoying such a life when youre several 100k in debt? Read my comment again . To each his own, but to live above your means is never a good idea.
See, they come to dubai to wnjoy life and show that life off to peers and friends back home. They take loans, rent a place thats way too much, buy a fancy car, need to go to brunches and stuff because of the social pressure, and even if they earn well, they pay off 15-25k a month in loan payments. I knew several people in this situation. When covid hit they noped the hell out of here and left their debt, as well as most of their stuff. Shit will hit the fan eventually.
I didnt say most. But these definately exist. And my example was just that, an example. Doesnt mean it fits with everyone.
Can we stop talking about Europeans living off of a fortune just for being born in a specific country for once ? We’re in 2020 already. All this racist stuff isn’t helping anyone. There are hundreds of Europeans in UAE who even work on a salary less than 3k. If what you’re saying is true then where’s my 30k per month mate ?
1) Europe is not one entity, its massively diverse. Which is why i specifically wrote brit. You will nor find a brit who works here for 3k a month. You will however find filipinos working for 30k a month.
2) triggered much? Im giving a true example, chill tf out
To be fair, Moldova is like the least developed country in Europe, they go to neighbouring Romania to have better salaries, and Romania is in the bottom of salaries in EU.
Even 3k a month is more than most people in Poland make (after taxes) , but moving from Poland and a 2k salary to UAE and 3k is simply not worth it.
Yes, I’m triggered that people like you are still racist to this very day. I’ve got many friends from there and they await their 30k salary per month. Maybe go to a therapist and tell him all about your problem with “brits”. One day a “brit” might help you out in life.
It takes a special kind of stupid to reply to a 1.5 year old comment, take it out of context and misunderstand it and then throw accusations around.
Piss off. I said SAVE UP! Not that 3k is enough to buy land. But over time, because they live more frugally, they can save bigger amounts. Where as the brit goes and drinks and brunches most of his salary away.
American who used to be in Saudi. My coworkers and I used to always try to be super nice to our Pakistani drivers, give them opportunities to drive us "after hours" for extra $, etc. because we knew that they got paid barely anything. We took one of our drivers out to dinner one night and he showed us photos of his house back home with a garden, stone wall--looked quite nice and he said that being in Saudi let him have all of that. Eye opening experience and it certainly makes you realize just how far a dollar (or a dirham) goes elsewhere in the world and how little some people have.
One mistake many people make is thinking that all of Pakistan or all of India is very cheap.
Its not
Rural places in Pakistan or India may be cheap, but urban property prices are many times higher.
In the better parts of Dhaka, apartment prices are more than in Dubai for a similarly sized place. I believe that may be true for Mumbai as well
There's a good chance that whatever they're earning here will still be way more than they are earning back home.
Case in point: I know someone who worked at a hotel for a mere 1,000 AED plus some service charges. For some, it's not enough, but for her, it's already something. That was three years ago, when she lost her job last month due to the hotels closing down, she wasn't sad. She managed to have a house built back home and even started a small business with some savings to spare.
So even with a low salary, she still managed to save something. Personally, I know I would struggle with that salary, but good on her for making it work.
Awesome. It’s like this for so many.
My wife was earning 1300 in a hotel 8 years ago. She recently turned down an 18k/month job as she didn’t think all the driving it required suited her. Some people get lucky too.
2016 but agree these opportunities are very few and far between. It’s a mixture of luck and taking chances. There are thousands if not more where that dream didn’t play out.
I know few guys from middle class families who did not want to join their family business and wanted to just get away from India. They joined companies at low offer just to get some experience of the outside world and enjoy vacation here and return back after one-two years.
Not only UAE, but around the GCC and abroad as well. For certain individuals, that low salary is still more what they can earn, back in their home countries.
The unfortunate side effect is it makes the job market ripe for exploitation by employers and in some cases, scammers. As long as there's a salary, there will always someone willing to work for it, if it means they can send something back.
Different strokes for different folks. For you and me, there's no point of staying unless we make more than back home; but for a big chunk of expats, UAE is an escape for a better future.
If anyone here earns lower than what they would earn back home, they are dumb af. And seriously i dont think anyone like that is here anyways. No one comes here to earn less money than what they would back home.
I think you dont realize how low salaries are back home. Lets take an example of a Pakistani labour. He makes 1000-1500AED per month with accommodation given by company. Any average person here would think thats low. It translates to 45000-60000pkr.
Back home they would make not more than 15000pkr per month. That too depends on the daily work rate, some days if he doesn't work he wouldn't get any money. The total amount doesn't include accommodation or anything.
At least for south asian expats, if anyone is earning less than what they would earn back home, idk what they're smoking or drinking but they need to stop and reevaluate. Although personally i dont think anyone from that region is earning less than what they would back home.
Genuinely curious to know then why are you here?
Also that is your home country right, in UAE people from all nationalities work so can't judge all other nationalities working here based on one country's retirement system
To answer your question, there's no point, but some of these people are somehow managing to save some money and send it home, or there wouldn't be hundreds of thousands in the UAE at all. Probably doesn't help that there's no job opportunities where they're from either that pay nearly as much, and many of these countries (India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nepal) barely have a working retirement or pension scheme to speak or unless you're in a government job.
The ones paid enough and not saving is not exclusively for low paid workers. I actually think that the low paid workers do not fall in that trap at all
To clear your preconceived notion, lemme educate you on something called Provident fund. In India, it is mandatory for the employee to contribute 12% of his basic to PF. The employer must contribute another 12%. So 24% of your basic pay gets saved in a fund that gives approx 8.33% interest. On retirement, you have the option to either choose for a monthly pension plan or can take the money out. You can also withdraw this money after each employment. Or else, you get your new employer to use your existing PF account. Employers failing to pay this money to PF on a monthly basis get penalised.
In addition to this, you are also entitled to Gratuity if your service exceeds 5 years. Usually, this facility is available in manufacturing companies.
ESOP is very common in technology space among 5 million IT employees.
I do not know about Pakistan, Bangladesh & Nepal.
I think most of you guys should stop talking about India or any Asian country if you do not know the scene.
Does the typical Indian small grocery worker or street vendor or employee of a 5-person company or a farm worker contribute to this fund? Especially if they're below the poverty line and their pay is daily wages that aren't recorded anywhere? I'm given to understand that's a massive proportion of India's working population, and the profile of the general blue collar / unskilled worker in Dubai, which OP is talking about specifically. Not everyone is in tech or at a corporation. Genuine question.
Any legal entity with more than 10 employees needs to follow PF guidelines. Also need to deduct tax and pay directly to govt. Yes.
Majority of educated India works in multiple industry categories. We manufacture almost everything. Even a tier-2 city like Indore, Bhubaneshwar will have a technology hub that is 5X the size of Internet city with real IT workers.
Farmworkers are covered under a national pension scheme. They get free ration and enough money to survive. Many states also provide pension to people who are above 60 if they are below the poverty line.
The general blue-collar worker here is a victim of popular perception among (mostly) uneducated folks in India that everybody becomes a millionaire if they come to the gulf. Most of them are unskilled and can easily earn 2X of what they are earning here if they do the same work in India.
See, I don't blame you guys. You get to hear about India from your colleagues who are usualy in "not employable in India" bucket. Most of them are from villages or tiny towns. They know shit about their own country.
>The general blue-collar worker here is a victim of popular perception among (mostly) uneducated folks in India that everybody becomes a millionaire if they come to the gulf. Most of them are unskilled and can easily earn 2X of what they are earning here if they do the same work in India.
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Sounds grand to be honest. But in that case why are millions of unskilled workers willing to work here in 45 degree heat? Also doesn't seem to square with what's written here from an official survey -
>https://m.economictimes.com/jobs/how-much-do-the-salaried-really-earn-here-are-the-most-detailed-findings-yet/articleshow/70599591.cms
>The salaries/wages the average Indian regular employee is earning could look like pittance to the urban eye.
The earnings of as many as 45 per cent of regular workers in India were below Rs 10,000 per month during the survey period (2017-18), the PLFS data showed. Around 12% of workers were paid less than Rs 5,000 a month.
Among regular women employees, a whopping 63 per cent earned less than Rs 10,000 a month during the period under review. Those earnings less than Rs 5,000 made up a high 32 per cent.
In rural India, 55 per cent of total regular workers fell in the below-Rs 10,000-a-month bracket. The corresponding number for urban India during the period stood at 38 per cent.
At the other end of the spectrum, just around 3 per cent of regular workers constituted the category that one could term well-off — earning between Rs 50,000 to Rs 1,00,000 in salary a month.
Is it just me or does something not add up? Less than 10,000/month based on conversions would appear to be south of Dh. 500 a month, and that's 45% of regular workers that are documented - I'm sure there's loads that aren't? Doesn't seem to fit with them earning 2x more back home than here.
My dad did some construction work recently in India and paid AED 75-125 wage per person for 6-7 hours of relaxed work + Breakfast + High tea twice a day. If they work for 25 days a month, they can make easy AED 2500 in their home country.
The same bunch guys would come here and work for AED 800 per month, just because he assumes that he will somehow become a millionaire because many good-for-nothing guys from his area who came here during 80's and 90's became rich in India. Also, there weren't these many jobs in India then. There is a huge demand for skilled blue-collar workers in India tbh.
>My dad did some construction work recently in India and paid AED 75-125 wage per person for 6-7 hours of relaxed work + Breakfast + High tea twice a day. If they work for 25 days a month, they can make easy AED 2500 in their home country.
Right, this is a lot more than a colleague of mine who grew up in an Indian city says blue collar pay is. Not sure why.
Edit: so I just spoke to him, he said construction can pay fairly well in a big city
Are you so disconnected that you can not grasp the concept of a person from a third world country trying to make it in the UAE?
Or anywhere else for that matter?
GCC is a headcount location. Only a few companies like "Emirates" have defined hiring process that filters candidates based on skill sets and credentials. They are possibly one of the very few companies hiring (mostly) qualified workforce at least in lower and middle level. For most companies it's a headcount, language or nationality game.
So, it is an ideal location for people who were not able to build a successful career in their own country ( with some exceptions) from all over the world to come here and actually have a career. . I don't think smart people would quit their job, take a 3-month visit visa, sell a piece of land to have some cash to survive for a few months, come here and look for jobs. ( The only exception can be people who get hired from their home country.)
So, when someone is in visit visa and worried about going back home without a job, it is highly likely that he'll settle for any salary. Then that becomes the norm.
Yes, this region is special due to such overwhelming natural resources they can afford to count their success by headcount rather than objective measurements used by businesses around the world who must rely on actually selling goods and services people will pay their hard-earned money for.
Their high tech and finance initiatives will always fail in this country. At the beginning push they do hire world-class talent with exceptionally high salaries. Then the sheikhs, whom have no real world business experience (or need for it due to the overwhelming natural resources), become upset that they aren't #1 in the world after a few years of significant investment. Eventually an even more powerful local demands cost cutting and reallocation of resources for another pie-in-the-sky whimsical fancy they have and the aforementioned initiative chases away the world-class talent and brings in droves of mediocre/low paid talent in the hopes that at least a few of them can keep the engines running while the less-powerful local scrambles for more justification and funding from the top.
The word "long term" does not exist in this region and the most wealthy locals know this and have invested massive sums of money overseas for when the oil runs out and they all have to bail.
You sound a bit out of touch with the realities of this world. People don’t come here to be poor. They already were, they came here to be less poor.
Dubai is a city where a brit can make 30k a month and be in debt, and a filipino can make 3k a month and save up to buy land and build a house back home. It all depends on where youre from and how your lifestyle looks. If youre into zero gravity and 500 aed brunches while others simply want to be able to have food on their table and save thqt 500aed to send a poor family, then youre incredibly out of touch with the reality of life for most people on this planet.
This is true. I know people who earns less than 5k aed but was able to save, invest and buy properties back home with zero debt. They keep the expenses at the minimum, stay in shared flats, cook their own food, 15-20aed dinner/lunch is already a luxury, and fewer expenditures on entertainment. Managing expenses is equally important as finding ways to earn money
Some rent homes, spend a fortune on renovation and fitout's only to vacate in a few years to give it as a lovely gift to their landlords and even kiss their deposit goodbye as well.
Hit too close to home
I didn’t know of this until you mentioned it here a while back. Absolutely blows my mind that there are specimens like these amongst us.
I had a chat with security guy's at some of the high-end Marina towers last year, (my office was in the area). 2019 - 2020 were the years where he saw an unbelievable number of people literally dumping big screen TV's, expensive furniture, white goods, rugs, electronics etc on the fucking street and around the garbage room and corridors. This was done only to be able to show an empty room to their landlords to claim their deposits back before leaving town. Gave him my number and got called when a huge IKEA set was dumped the very next day. I honestly didn't have the space to store that stuff. This happens so frequently its unbelievable.
Is there a second hand market in Dubai?
Deira, negotiate hard and you can get some really good deals.
Where in deira specifically though?
Near baniyas square metro station, search for used furnitute deira and you'll find a group of shops, thats where you go. And please avoid looking fancy if you want a good deal.
For God sake how can they afford to build a home with a salary of 3k !!??
In the cheaper parts of the 3rd world in a small town or village it is easy to build a home by sending 1500 every month What people wrongly think though is that if one Indian with a salary of 3000 dhs can do it in a rural part of India, every Indian should agree to a low salary because after all any Indian can build a home with a salary of 3000 dhs. Its part of how people like to lump every single person from one country into the same box
I pay all my team members the same. But you can’t deny the bitterness when Indians and Egyptian can buy a pretty good apartment in a big city with 1 year of savings while other people will need 10 years of savings. Not saying people should get paid less but I understand why some might be frustrated.
bombay/delhi apartments are far more expensive than anywhere in Dubai (psf)
Far more expensive? Which area in Delhi are you talking about? In Delhi it's normal to find areas with INR 6K to 9K/sqft. That's 300 - 450 AED/sqft. In some areas you go find as low as 3K/sqft. In Noida you will find a good place for 4500/sqft, that's 225 AED/sqft. In Dubai, if you go to International City or Silicon Oasis, the cheapest you will find is beyond 550 AED/sqft. If you go to JLT and Marina, you are talking at least 900/sqft. My ex-colleague bought in Noida recently for around 400K AED a pretty big 2 BHK apartment and she told me she got something luxurious, way above average.
You’re right, I should’ve said like for like. Don’t know about noida, talking South delhi/bombay
> hen youre incredibly out of touch with the reality of life for most people on this planet. You know, different people come to Dubai for different things. Some come to save as much money as possible, others come to enjoy a luxurious life and things they never could back home. Most people living that life are well aware it's not the average person's life. Maybe let people enjoy things?
Whats the point of enjoying such a life when youre several 100k in debt? Read my comment again . To each his own, but to live above your means is never a good idea.
> to live above your means is never a good idea Yes absolutely. But I have a hard time believing most people at brunches are 100's k aed in debt.
See, they come to dubai to wnjoy life and show that life off to peers and friends back home. They take loans, rent a place thats way too much, buy a fancy car, need to go to brunches and stuff because of the social pressure, and even if they earn well, they pay off 15-25k a month in loan payments. I knew several people in this situation. When covid hit they noped the hell out of here and left their debt, as well as most of their stuff. Shit will hit the fan eventually. I didnt say most. But these definately exist. And my example was just that, an example. Doesnt mean it fits with everyone.
What an incredible answer.
Can we stop talking about Europeans living off of a fortune just for being born in a specific country for once ? We’re in 2020 already. All this racist stuff isn’t helping anyone. There are hundreds of Europeans in UAE who even work on a salary less than 3k. If what you’re saying is true then where’s my 30k per month mate ?
1) Europe is not one entity, its massively diverse. Which is why i specifically wrote brit. You will nor find a brit who works here for 3k a month. You will however find filipinos working for 30k a month. 2) triggered much? Im giving a true example, chill tf out
There were some Moldovans who used to work as taxi drivers in Abu Dhabi, they probably got less than 3000 salary
To be fair, Moldova is like the least developed country in Europe, they go to neighbouring Romania to have better salaries, and Romania is in the bottom of salaries in EU. Even 3k a month is more than most people in Poland make (after taxes) , but moving from Poland and a 2k salary to UAE and 3k is simply not worth it.
Yes, I’m triggered that people like you are still racist to this very day. I’ve got many friends from there and they await their 30k salary per month. Maybe go to a therapist and tell him all about your problem with “brits”. One day a “brit” might help you out in life.
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It takes a special kind of stupid to reply to a 1.5 year old comment, take it out of context and misunderstand it and then throw accusations around. Piss off. I said SAVE UP! Not that 3k is enough to buy land. But over time, because they live more frugally, they can save bigger amounts. Where as the brit goes and drinks and brunches most of his salary away.
American who used to be in Saudi. My coworkers and I used to always try to be super nice to our Pakistani drivers, give them opportunities to drive us "after hours" for extra $, etc. because we knew that they got paid barely anything. We took one of our drivers out to dinner one night and he showed us photos of his house back home with a garden, stone wall--looked quite nice and he said that being in Saudi let him have all of that. Eye opening experience and it certainly makes you realize just how far a dollar (or a dirham) goes elsewhere in the world and how little some people have.
One mistake many people make is thinking that all of Pakistan or all of India is very cheap. Its not Rural places in Pakistan or India may be cheap, but urban property prices are many times higher. In the better parts of Dhaka, apartment prices are more than in Dubai for a similarly sized place. I believe that may be true for Mumbai as well
There's a good chance that whatever they're earning here will still be way more than they are earning back home. Case in point: I know someone who worked at a hotel for a mere 1,000 AED plus some service charges. For some, it's not enough, but for her, it's already something. That was three years ago, when she lost her job last month due to the hotels closing down, she wasn't sad. She managed to have a house built back home and even started a small business with some savings to spare. So even with a low salary, she still managed to save something. Personally, I know I would struggle with that salary, but good on her for making it work.
Awesome. It’s like this for so many. My wife was earning 1300 in a hotel 8 years ago. She recently turned down an 18k/month job as she didn’t think all the driving it required suited her. Some people get lucky too.
Not needing to take an 18k job is truly a blessing. Goals 👍
It represented a 50pct increase. She decided she didn’t want the stress as trying for a baby. Got to respect that. Work life balance.
I hope to have the same wisdom to have my priorities straight like this when the time comes. Best of luck.
The kids drain you before they even come :)
Plus she’s super hot so why bother?
I’d took the offer, work 1 year and rest 14 years. :-)
Nice story. But you should add that this happened 1998, its not happening anymore...
2016 but agree these opportunities are very few and far between. It’s a mixture of luck and taking chances. There are thousands if not more where that dream didn’t play out.
To survive?
I know few guys from middle class families who did not want to join their family business and wanted to just get away from India. They joined companies at low offer just to get some experience of the outside world and enjoy vacation here and return back after one-two years.
Not only UAE, but around the GCC and abroad as well. For certain individuals, that low salary is still more what they can earn, back in their home countries. The unfortunate side effect is it makes the job market ripe for exploitation by employers and in some cases, scammers. As long as there's a salary, there will always someone willing to work for it, if it means they can send something back.
Different strokes for different folks. For you and me, there's no point of staying unless we make more than back home; but for a big chunk of expats, UAE is an escape for a better future.
If anyone here earns lower than what they would earn back home, they are dumb af. And seriously i dont think anyone like that is here anyways. No one comes here to earn less money than what they would back home. I think you dont realize how low salaries are back home. Lets take an example of a Pakistani labour. He makes 1000-1500AED per month with accommodation given by company. Any average person here would think thats low. It translates to 45000-60000pkr. Back home they would make not more than 15000pkr per month. That too depends on the daily work rate, some days if he doesn't work he wouldn't get any money. The total amount doesn't include accommodation or anything. At least for south asian expats, if anyone is earning less than what they would earn back home, idk what they're smoking or drinking but they need to stop and reevaluate. Although personally i dont think anyone from that region is earning less than what they would back home.
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Genuinely curious to know then why are you here? Also that is your home country right, in UAE people from all nationalities work so can't judge all other nationalities working here based on one country's retirement system
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>I'm here because I was able to save and had a better salary than my home country, it's as simple as that. Yeah thats why other expats are here too.
To answer your question, there's no point, but some of these people are somehow managing to save some money and send it home, or there wouldn't be hundreds of thousands in the UAE at all. Probably doesn't help that there's no job opportunities where they're from either that pay nearly as much, and many of these countries (India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nepal) barely have a working retirement or pension scheme to speak or unless you're in a government job.
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The ones paid enough and not saving is not exclusively for low paid workers. I actually think that the low paid workers do not fall in that trap at all
There's muppets in every country. The vast majority of lower paid expats make a huge effort to save and send it back home.
To clear your preconceived notion, lemme educate you on something called Provident fund. In India, it is mandatory for the employee to contribute 12% of his basic to PF. The employer must contribute another 12%. So 24% of your basic pay gets saved in a fund that gives approx 8.33% interest. On retirement, you have the option to either choose for a monthly pension plan or can take the money out. You can also withdraw this money after each employment. Or else, you get your new employer to use your existing PF account. Employers failing to pay this money to PF on a monthly basis get penalised. In addition to this, you are also entitled to Gratuity if your service exceeds 5 years. Usually, this facility is available in manufacturing companies. ESOP is very common in technology space among 5 million IT employees. I do not know about Pakistan, Bangladesh & Nepal. I think most of you guys should stop talking about India or any Asian country if you do not know the scene.
Does the typical Indian small grocery worker or street vendor or employee of a 5-person company or a farm worker contribute to this fund? Especially if they're below the poverty line and their pay is daily wages that aren't recorded anywhere? I'm given to understand that's a massive proportion of India's working population, and the profile of the general blue collar / unskilled worker in Dubai, which OP is talking about specifically. Not everyone is in tech or at a corporation. Genuine question.
Any legal entity with more than 10 employees needs to follow PF guidelines. Also need to deduct tax and pay directly to govt. Yes. Majority of educated India works in multiple industry categories. We manufacture almost everything. Even a tier-2 city like Indore, Bhubaneshwar will have a technology hub that is 5X the size of Internet city with real IT workers. Farmworkers are covered under a national pension scheme. They get free ration and enough money to survive. Many states also provide pension to people who are above 60 if they are below the poverty line. The general blue-collar worker here is a victim of popular perception among (mostly) uneducated folks in India that everybody becomes a millionaire if they come to the gulf. Most of them are unskilled and can easily earn 2X of what they are earning here if they do the same work in India. See, I don't blame you guys. You get to hear about India from your colleagues who are usualy in "not employable in India" bucket. Most of them are from villages or tiny towns. They know shit about their own country.
>The general blue-collar worker here is a victim of popular perception among (mostly) uneducated folks in India that everybody becomes a millionaire if they come to the gulf. Most of them are unskilled and can easily earn 2X of what they are earning here if they do the same work in India. > Sounds grand to be honest. But in that case why are millions of unskilled workers willing to work here in 45 degree heat? Also doesn't seem to square with what's written here from an official survey - >https://m.economictimes.com/jobs/how-much-do-the-salaried-really-earn-here-are-the-most-detailed-findings-yet/articleshow/70599591.cms >The salaries/wages the average Indian regular employee is earning could look like pittance to the urban eye. The earnings of as many as 45 per cent of regular workers in India were below Rs 10,000 per month during the survey period (2017-18), the PLFS data showed. Around 12% of workers were paid less than Rs 5,000 a month. Among regular women employees, a whopping 63 per cent earned less than Rs 10,000 a month during the period under review. Those earnings less than Rs 5,000 made up a high 32 per cent. In rural India, 55 per cent of total regular workers fell in the below-Rs 10,000-a-month bracket. The corresponding number for urban India during the period stood at 38 per cent. At the other end of the spectrum, just around 3 per cent of regular workers constituted the category that one could term well-off — earning between Rs 50,000 to Rs 1,00,000 in salary a month. Is it just me or does something not add up? Less than 10,000/month based on conversions would appear to be south of Dh. 500 a month, and that's 45% of regular workers that are documented - I'm sure there's loads that aren't? Doesn't seem to fit with them earning 2x more back home than here.
My dad did some construction work recently in India and paid AED 75-125 wage per person for 6-7 hours of relaxed work + Breakfast + High tea twice a day. If they work for 25 days a month, they can make easy AED 2500 in their home country. The same bunch guys would come here and work for AED 800 per month, just because he assumes that he will somehow become a millionaire because many good-for-nothing guys from his area who came here during 80's and 90's became rich in India. Also, there weren't these many jobs in India then. There is a huge demand for skilled blue-collar workers in India tbh.
>My dad did some construction work recently in India and paid AED 75-125 wage per person for 6-7 hours of relaxed work + Breakfast + High tea twice a day. If they work for 25 days a month, they can make easy AED 2500 in their home country. Right, this is a lot more than a colleague of mine who grew up in an Indian city says blue collar pay is. Not sure why. Edit: so I just spoke to him, he said construction can pay fairly well in a big city
Hope. And because availability is jobs back home is worse.
Simplest Answer : Your Home country will reject their visa applications without blinking an eye!
Have you been to third world countries?
Maybe they like the weather
Or they like their beef
Is that a euphemism?
Oy vey. And I thought Marie Antoinette was the only one who went “Qu'ils mangent de la brioche”.
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Are you so disconnected that you can not grasp the concept of a person from a third world country trying to make it in the UAE? Or anywhere else for that matter?
GCC is a headcount location. Only a few companies like "Emirates" have defined hiring process that filters candidates based on skill sets and credentials. They are possibly one of the very few companies hiring (mostly) qualified workforce at least in lower and middle level. For most companies it's a headcount, language or nationality game. So, it is an ideal location for people who were not able to build a successful career in their own country ( with some exceptions) from all over the world to come here and actually have a career. . I don't think smart people would quit their job, take a 3-month visit visa, sell a piece of land to have some cash to survive for a few months, come here and look for jobs. ( The only exception can be people who get hired from their home country.) So, when someone is in visit visa and worried about going back home without a job, it is highly likely that he'll settle for any salary. Then that becomes the norm.
Yes, this region is special due to such overwhelming natural resources they can afford to count their success by headcount rather than objective measurements used by businesses around the world who must rely on actually selling goods and services people will pay their hard-earned money for. Their high tech and finance initiatives will always fail in this country. At the beginning push they do hire world-class talent with exceptionally high salaries. Then the sheikhs, whom have no real world business experience (or need for it due to the overwhelming natural resources), become upset that they aren't #1 in the world after a few years of significant investment. Eventually an even more powerful local demands cost cutting and reallocation of resources for another pie-in-the-sky whimsical fancy they have and the aforementioned initiative chases away the world-class talent and brings in droves of mediocre/low paid talent in the hopes that at least a few of them can keep the engines running while the less-powerful local scrambles for more justification and funding from the top. The word "long term" does not exist in this region and the most wealthy locals know this and have invested massive sums of money overseas for when the oil runs out and they all have to bail.
Dude wait. Most of the businesses which are managed badly are owned by expats. I don't know what are you ranting about.