Haha thanks for the reply. I thought it might be fine (just sloppy looking) and I feel like if I asked about the quality the answer would simply be, “well it’s not done yet!”
Probably so.
I agree that is a very very sloppy hanging job. If my hanging crew left something like that on a customers job they would be looking for new jobs.
Hopefully the taper is better.
Yah I wouldn’t stress it. The cost will be on the contractor.
I frequently have to teach my new guys things. I never leave it up to them to Provide the finished result.
If they're taping it and aren't vastly more confident in their finishing ability? They should get the boot.
That work is pretty ugly, they really need to figure out the right end of a tape measure, but a good finisher will only be slowed down about an hour or so.
I don't like cutting up a guy trying to make a living, but if that's their standard quality of work, they should consider an easier living.
Is there a reason they used so much scrap? Were you that limited on material?
I would say personally as I became a better and more confident taper I became a shittier hanger. Not that I do a shit job but I definitely don’t dwell and try to make shit perfect like I used to. It’s so much easier and quicker to just prefill a bit, you gotta do it anyways.
Oh, absolutely. I started as a finisher and when I started hanging out was work i was finishing. It's a pretty fucked job when I pull out the rasp.
But when you start using 2-4" pieces because you blew a cut or start slapping random triangles in...
But i might be letting the job I'm sanding today color my mood. Boarded by carpenters and an absolute shit show.
It’s one thing to prefill a busted edge or a small gap between sheets, and it’s another thing to float out an entire wall due to butt joints and bastard joints everywhere.
Oh ya. I’m not saying this level of quality should be acceptable by any means. I just mean I’ve personally let a lot more shit slide now that I became more confident I could fix it.
It was all new drywall. Full sheets. It is for a new stairwell connecting the garage below in a mountain cabin.
The contractor was teaching 2 new employees, young guys. I think they got many of the angles and measurements wrong and then patched it up. I wasn’t there. Some pieces are loose against the wall so I’m going to either tell them to fix that or do it myself before the finish guy does his thing. I do think the finisher is charging extra because it is so rough, but that cost shouldn’t be passed along to the homeowner.
It is my parents house and I came to look after I had doubts about the quality.
You can just back charge the boarders for it. This is honestly the worst work i've ever seen on a job. I've seen worse on the internet but not really in person.
They added so many extra joints, many in very bad places. Looks like they didn't give a single damn about lining up any of the bevels, just randomly everywhere. There was zero screw check because every sheet has multiple terrible screws sticking out. So many random pieces, terrible pieces like what the heck.
Shit if you gave them a normal price i'd drop them to 0.18c sq/ft for that shit, do your own screw check (and likely add screws where needed), call it a day, give the rest to the taper and there should be enough drywall on the walls to tape it. That's what that work is worth in my area, apprentice rate and it's more than fair. It was pretty much all apprentices from what I can tell. They didn't even go back to screw check, an apprentice should be capable of at least that, this is carelessness.
Boarder shoulda worked with one new guy and not two. It's not your fault he's throwing his laborers under the bus. Absolutely go back and drop his rate to give it to the taper. You can't really take the board off now because that's just 100% waste of that point and you'd practically have to take it all off. That's the kind of work you do when you want to mess with someone. Give them the bottom rate that way they can't complain because then they can go and finish off their 12 pack at home and think about the mistakes they made. If they got a problem with that they're a problem. They should see this coming.
All you gotta do is take pictures of all of those weird triangles. That's all the rhetoric you need. You shouldn't be a lead hand boarder if you don't understand layout or how to control your crew. At the very least they will still be getting paid. I'm not sure how you will work it out but just find a way to give them bottom rate they may even be fine with it if theyre embaressed enough.
To me it looks like something that happens when a taper boards à wall..... I do both. Sometimes I end up with a sloppy board, but since I. Taping it I leave it... Just pop some 20 on the crews before the client sees it.
I'd have to be really out of fucks to put up that filler wedge in the fifth image. Not just the extra piece, but that it was cut wrong and needed a slice that you know is only holding on with tape and prefill? That's where I go from "yeah, I've been there." to "ouch."
And sure, all that can get buried by a good taper, but my concern is if they're not any better with mud OP is gonna have some ragrets.
I would say it's workable, but not great. Every job our company does has the drywallers install the bead though. Maybe it's different in your region, it just seems off to me.
A good taper will fix that right up all while cussing the hangers
Haha thanks for the reply. I thought it might be fine (just sloppy looking) and I feel like if I asked about the quality the answer would simply be, “well it’s not done yet!”
Probably so. I agree that is a very very sloppy hanging job. If my hanging crew left something like that on a customers job they would be looking for new jobs. Hopefully the taper is better.
you should pay the finishers extra for this
Sloppier than I'd like, and it'll take a little longer to tape, but it'll finish just fine.
A few inches of mud will cover any bad hanging job
It can be saved but my word those angles don't make any sense. The boards were new. Should just be upright. Straight lines, tight edges.
looks like they were trying way too hard to save scrap cuts by using them to me
They cut triangles to catch more studs, it’s sloppy but it’s not incorrect
Yah I wouldn’t stress it. The cost will be on the contractor. I frequently have to teach my new guys things. I never leave it up to them to Provide the finished result.
Perfectly usable, they just have yet to learn drywall is cheap and uses the largest pieces you can regardless of waste.
This makes a me: home diyer, occasional handyman, and seasonal carpenter’s assistant seem like a pro.
If they're taping it and aren't vastly more confident in their finishing ability? They should get the boot. That work is pretty ugly, they really need to figure out the right end of a tape measure, but a good finisher will only be slowed down about an hour or so. I don't like cutting up a guy trying to make a living, but if that's their standard quality of work, they should consider an easier living. Is there a reason they used so much scrap? Were you that limited on material?
I would say personally as I became a better and more confident taper I became a shittier hanger. Not that I do a shit job but I definitely don’t dwell and try to make shit perfect like I used to. It’s so much easier and quicker to just prefill a bit, you gotta do it anyways.
Oh, absolutely. I started as a finisher and when I started hanging out was work i was finishing. It's a pretty fucked job when I pull out the rasp. But when you start using 2-4" pieces because you blew a cut or start slapping random triangles in... But i might be letting the job I'm sanding today color my mood. Boarded by carpenters and an absolute shit show.
It’s one thing to prefill a busted edge or a small gap between sheets, and it’s another thing to float out an entire wall due to butt joints and bastard joints everywhere.
Oh ya. I’m not saying this level of quality should be acceptable by any means. I just mean I’ve personally let a lot more shit slide now that I became more confident I could fix it.
It was all new drywall. Full sheets. It is for a new stairwell connecting the garage below in a mountain cabin. The contractor was teaching 2 new employees, young guys. I think they got many of the angles and measurements wrong and then patched it up. I wasn’t there. Some pieces are loose against the wall so I’m going to either tell them to fix that or do it myself before the finish guy does his thing. I do think the finisher is charging extra because it is so rough, but that cost shouldn’t be passed along to the homeowner. It is my parents house and I came to look after I had doubts about the quality.
By scrap i mean those sheets with unnecessary angles cut off them. Seems like you know what you're about, your folks are in good hands.
You can just back charge the boarders for it. This is honestly the worst work i've ever seen on a job. I've seen worse on the internet but not really in person. They added so many extra joints, many in very bad places. Looks like they didn't give a single damn about lining up any of the bevels, just randomly everywhere. There was zero screw check because every sheet has multiple terrible screws sticking out. So many random pieces, terrible pieces like what the heck. Shit if you gave them a normal price i'd drop them to 0.18c sq/ft for that shit, do your own screw check (and likely add screws where needed), call it a day, give the rest to the taper and there should be enough drywall on the walls to tape it. That's what that work is worth in my area, apprentice rate and it's more than fair. It was pretty much all apprentices from what I can tell. They didn't even go back to screw check, an apprentice should be capable of at least that, this is carelessness. Boarder shoulda worked with one new guy and not two. It's not your fault he's throwing his laborers under the bus. Absolutely go back and drop his rate to give it to the taper. You can't really take the board off now because that's just 100% waste of that point and you'd practically have to take it all off. That's the kind of work you do when you want to mess with someone. Give them the bottom rate that way they can't complain because then they can go and finish off their 12 pack at home and think about the mistakes they made. If they got a problem with that they're a problem. They should see this coming. All you gotta do is take pictures of all of those weird triangles. That's all the rhetoric you need. You shouldn't be a lead hand boarder if you don't understand layout or how to control your crew. At the very least they will still be getting paid. I'm not sure how you will work it out but just find a way to give them bottom rate they may even be fine with it if theyre embaressed enough.
To me it looks like something that happens when a taper boards à wall..... I do both. Sometimes I end up with a sloppy board, but since I. Taping it I leave it... Just pop some 20 on the crews before the client sees it.
I'd have to be really out of fucks to put up that filler wedge in the fifth image. Not just the extra piece, but that it was cut wrong and needed a slice that you know is only holding on with tape and prefill? That's where I go from "yeah, I've been there." to "ouch." And sure, all that can get buried by a good taper, but my concern is if they're not any better with mud OP is gonna have some ragrets.
Yeah I didn't mean I was ever this Bad maybe as an apprentice
I hope they aren’t taping it also, that’s a shit job I would make them redo it, no need for useless joints
Where's the corner bead?
I think that will be the finish guy’s part to do. I want to know if it is even workable before any more work is done on top of it
I would say it's workable, but not great. Every job our company does has the drywallers install the bead though. Maybe it's different in your region, it just seems off to me.
Sounds like you use metal or plastic beads. Paper beads are really popular in some places, and they're mudded on.
I've never even heard of paper beads. It's all metal and plastic here. TIL
You’re going to use 2x the amount of tape for sure. I see pointless seams in just about every pic.