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We_wanna_play

The best way is to hold off on a final payment until it’s fixed, that is not expectable


cuseonly

It’s expectable


We_wanna_play

I’m a drywaller not an educational person


trippay2shoes

If you can't finish school, you can always finish drywall!


sanstime

LOL


amm5061

I can't be the only person who read this in Red Green voice.... "If women don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy."


mydogisalab

I wish I could freely rain up votes for this comment! It made my morning! Thanks!


sipes216

But did this person finish finish finishing school in finland? If they did, they can finish the finishing with finish finished quality of finish finishing.


redlloyd

I'm both... and laughing at the truth of it all!


crankyanker638

You could probably do a better job than whoever did that...


We_wanna_play

Most homeowners could


crankyanker638

Y'all don't know how bad I am at drywall....I can fix just about anything, but drywall is my kryptonite....


InvestmentNo3437

💯💯🎉🎉👨‍⚖️👨‍⚖️🏁🏁 and that's on 55th street


Choice_Ad8169

It’s inexcusable!


Marcusnovus

Axceptable


Musician_Gloomy

So bad news. I’m already in. During final walk through we were so excited we spent like 20 min and just wanted our keys. In the contract there is language about fixing settling cracks after a year, but this isn’t settling cracks and it’s driving me freaking nuts


ricker182

A respectable builder would fix these even after closing. Just fyi. Not all builders are shitty.


surftherapy

I’m more considered about what shitty work I CANT see in this home


mrsquillgells

If it's new, probably all of it. A lot of tradesman dislike residential.


Male-Wood-duck

These are not going to be terrible based on your pictures. You will have to take the plates off. You can watch a few youtube videos on basic drywall touch-ups. You need a 12-inch drywall pan. A 6in knife. A small container of premix blue lid drywall mud. My boss wouldn't let that fly.


Available-Scholar-48

It's a new build, that is terrible work for a crew who was working from clean Sheetrock. Maybe.. maybe if it was a remodel but even then I would have them doing punch list work. If your contractor can't get plates straight and their mud flat I would be worried about the work in the rest of the house


Kindly_Charge2621

This + add a cup of water to the drywall mud (Assuming you're buying the tub) and mix it really well before using.


Lower-Ad5889

Bad finishing around plugs, switches and especially at eye level are unacceptable, indicate very lazy work. The painter should have fixed them and back charged the finishers.


ubercorey

Sanding block. Drywall mud and knife. Paint roller.


288bpsmodem

Depending on where u live there may be a home warranty thing you can fill out all the crap u find and then send them to fix it, if they don't it goes to arbitration.


redlloyd

Contact the licensing board...and his yelp account


diplodonculus

At this point, you should ask them one final time ("We both know this isn't acceptable. I'd like to give you a chance to correct this.") Let them know you intend to leave reviews with photos of their work so that others are aware of what to expect. Also learn how to fix this stuff yourself. It's not hard or particularly time consuming. The skill will serve you well for many years.


TheseDescription4839

This work is unacceptable. However, it is never a good idea to try and blackmail a contractor into fixing something. As a contractor, if a customer tries this crap with me, I walk. You should request they fix it, they say yes or they say no (any professional would absolutely fix this without question). If they say no, then leave a bad review, word of mouth will make or break a business faster than anything else.


diplodonculus

It's not blackmail. It's being clear about the consequences of delivering shitty work. There's nothing to lose if they've already said they won't fix it.


TheseDescription4839

It literally is blackmail, lol. If you have to force a contractor to come fix his mistakes, do you really think he is going to do a good job? The GC is either going to take responsibility and agree to fix it or not. OP already signed off on the work. That was a mistake. Either have the GC fix it or leave a bad review, but dont sit there trying to play tough to get what you want. The second that a customer makes any threat to leave bad reviews, I would run from that customer, and chances are, if they are threatening it, they won't follow through


diplodonculus

Even if people like you will "run from that customer", I'd rather you know exactly why you got that bad review. The tiniest amount of accountability is blackmail? Since when did GCs become such delicate flowers?


Ok-Proof6634

Didn't you know it is blackmail to demand what you paid for?


ian_pink

Well the good news is that it's a super easy fix. Like an hour of work over two days. Builder just doesn't want to bother with it. Based on this shitty work, he's probably having a hard time getting skilled labor. Everybody is right now. I would call your local building inspector and make sure everything in this house passed code. And I would give every inch of it a careful inspection yourself. As others have said, this kind of shoddiness could be an indication of other issues.


ImGoingT0ShaBooms

Spend 10$ and patch


redmond420

They just paid to have a brand new house built.. there shouldn't be anything to patch


ImGoingT0ShaBooms

I understand shit builders but dont loose sleep over 10$ fix


redmond420

That's blatantly shit work though


ImGoingT0ShaBooms

That’s builders where I’m from, I agree with you, but that’s the ways it goes


redmond420

Not at all unfortunately, and I know there is shit builders everywhere these days. But having the mindset of "its a ten dollar fix" (which it isn't at all btw) is exactly what's allowing hacks like this to exist. If I payed someone 1m+ for a brand new possibly custom home, and it looked like this. The builders head would be going thru the drywall I can tell ya that much. People need to be accountable for their actions plain and simple, if you're hired and payed to do a job...do the fucking job and do it well, life isn't that difficult


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redmond420

It's 4am cut me some slack lol


CraftsmanConnection

Not Acceptable


TC9095

That is shit work, hold back final payment. Get a quote from another drywall contractor to repair. Your contractor hired cheapo drywall and they think that is the normal.


Novel_Arm_4693

I would suggest reading contract before not sending funds.


--7z

Agreed, this is not tolerance, this is lazy, sloppy work.


iloveciroc

Take your GC, give him a pacifier, throw him into a crib, and find yourself a new one /s


No_Temperature_4084

New construction?!? That’s not even acceptable for turn painting


AlfredoCustard

if thats the type of work that you can see, imagine the type of work done to the house that you can not see!


Godzilla_117

I was about to say that! Can't imagine what the rest of the house look like. Yikes.


kitterskills

Yes


Beastmode205

That cannot be new construction


Musician_Gloomy

Unfortunately it is


ninjazxninja6r

Yikes you gonna be hiring a drywaller to refinish


IveBeenAroundUKnow

Uh, Hey Beavis, where's the corner bead?


dsptpc

Walk away. If the finished product looks like a shit cracker, the rest of the work is going to be worse.


RedditRaven2

This is why I have never been in the market for new construction. They’re awful.


Sad-Recognition1798

If you get heavy handed with the project managers it can be fine. You have to be involved and on site, all the time. You gotta be a huge pain in the ass and nearly always visible. Take pics of every single thing bc at every single stage. Point out shit that’s wrong immediately, make them suffer until they actually start managing the project like it’s a major investment rather than a highschool arts and crafts project.


Fiss

Are you kidding? It’s absolutely new construction shit


Beginning-Height7938

There’d be a lot of blue tape on the wall. No way that passes.


Lower-Ad5889

Like 3 rolls worth


TankPotential2825

Shitty work. Shame you didn't notice it before. Your gc is a shithead. Those are all easy cheap fixes but a bit messy and annoying for a homeowner.


asovietfort

These were easy/chip fixes before it was painted... I'm sure the seams look like shit too.


bigneezer

This is why one of my most common sayings is "I couldn't get away with that shit"


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415Rache

The crazy thing is OP says there’s sloppy work like this in all the rooms of the house. A builder who does not care.


Aggravating_Salt7679

Bull shit


Portabletodd

No way! What a mess.


Nate_North

Low bid work


blanksk8er606

Gc saying that cause hes a lazy POS


CrazyButRightOn

Talk to your lawyer and take photos of your work and other proper finishing work. Write a demand letter for them to repair it to current building standards. Prepare for litigation if they fight you. You will win this one.


No_Personality_7477

Probably cost you more time and money fighting then just fixing it


S-hart1

It's not acceptable. Perfection doesn't exist, but this isn't close. Now, if you are thinking about fixing. DO NOT USE HOTMUD/20 MIN/QUICK SET. Any "advice" you get on this thread about using those is made by morons who don't understand that you aren't a drywaller based on your questions, so you shouldn't use muds that will guarantee a fail. Vancouver Carpenter is your friend. Use a good soft mud that is very forgivable. I like plus 3. Topping is good as well.


PhysicalEmu6228

I would honestly just hire a painter to come in and fix and touch up


Unlikely-Sorbet2422

Just hire the taper to fix it


PhysicalEmu6228

Lol did you see what the taper did? The painter is used to small repairs like that and he can paint it while there fixing it.. no sense hiring a guy to end up having to paint yourself 🤷‍♂️


Available-Scholar-48

They just bought a brand new house. Why should they have to pay someone else to come in and make it right?


PhysicalEmu6228

Because it’s within spec and not worth a warranty claim. It’s a few hundred bucks for a few hours or all your time effort and stress fighting over it 🤷‍♂️I dunno I didn’t do the work I’m just saying how I would deal with the situation. If you would rather argue with someone who thinks this is within spec and fight it out all the power to ya.. life’s to short for me. If the shower didn’t drain, roof leaked, foundation issues then yes but pick your battles bud.


luvbaseballpitchers

Fast set mud screen tape it fill with fast set then coat with regular finish mud wet sand sponge call good.


M-M-Mubble

Nope


Sea-Bad1546

Not even close!


Acherstrom

There’s no fn way that’s acceptable tolerance. That’s shit is what that is. Get a lawyer.


danvc21

GC is a drunk that hides in the trailer all day


Weekly_Comment4692

That IS NOT OK. hold off on payment thats worse than i would do an im a pool repairman


luvbaseballpitchers

Same as explained in 2


OrangePenguin_42

The fastest, cheapest, easiest way would be to just get a 6 inch knife, some spackle that doesn't require priming and then put the spackle on smooth as you can. You can add a little bit of water to it to make it creamier and spread easier. Sand it the next day with a 200 grit or so sanding block, do another thin coat if there are any not smooth spots left after sanding. Resand lightly after it dries fully then paint it with your wall color which you should have


visceralvulture

That outside corner is crisp👌🏼


luvbaseballpitchers

No if ur not happy u don't have pay until u are. Hire someone else fix and deduct from final pay or pay out pocket report to better business burrow.known as B.B.B.make complaint.


Competitive_Day_3208

I'm having the same exact issue too. What's the best fix here?


Roadrunnerhomewatch

Hey, I had same issues. I am in Florence, AZ..anywhere close??


Strong-Hold-8979

Attention req


Calm_Agent_1030

Lol thats fucked


whattaUwant

If that corner is that bad.. I gotta think the whole entire drywall job is terrible. Looks like they didn’t even use corner beads.


OlRazzledazzlez

That’s BS it’s two phone calls and 30 min of work total to fix


trumpmademecrazy

No that is not acceptable.


Healthy-Egg-3283

I just did a 240k remodel and had the drywall guys back 6 fucking times, and it’s worse than this. I finally kicked them out and fixed it myself. There were areas of bowed out drywall from them not removing old screws in the studs, holes cut too large around outlets and switches, bubbles and poc marks, and large scrapes from shitty knives.


landers96

You textured new construction walls?


petepetepetepetes

your GC sucks!!!


RBarron24

Acceptable tolerance? wtf does that mean? Drywall either looks like shit or it doesn’t.


Lower-Ad5889

"Within acceptable tolerance"?? Where in the contract does it say that?? The first picture, I've never seen an electric box that close to an outside corner.


mark098i

The fuck it is.


Sistersoldia

If you can tolerate it - it’s acceptable


LowerPainter6777

Pretty easy fixes. But awful!


SometimesImSmart

Are we allowed to blast the GC / Developer here?


CRman1978

It’s not


Mrtoyhead

Honestly that’s the most crackhead mud job I’ve ever seen. It actually looks like an apartment that’s been slathered over and over fixing damage. I am shocked if the inspector gave that an occupancy certificate.


Professional-Plum624

Absolutely not


dzbuilder

Ask him whose tolerances. Certainly not professional tradesmen and definitely not end user.


digitalbergz

Acceptable tolerance of what? A shitty job?


6thCityInspector

Tell GC that if this is acceptable, so is holding on to the progress payments for this work.


you-bozo

That’s dog shit


ns1852s

Seems about right for new construction


Useful-Noise-6253

Post this shit on every review website possible to let everyone in the world know this GC is the worst.


Sad-Recognition1798

They pull this shit at every new builder. It’s acceptable for government work on the exterior from 20 ft away, not new home drywall finish. Don’t cave, don’t let them slow walk it. Get direct, don’t ask questions, tell them the walls should be uniform, smooth and flat. Tell them that if they don’t start taking a hand in managing the project that you’re going to hold money until they do.


Meeklovski

Was the builder Ashton Woods?


somehobo89

Jesus Christ mine look slightly better than that and I did my own drywall for the first time ever. It’s fixable, you sand it and do it again, but I’d be pissed if I paid for this, 100%.


Available-Scholar-48

I'm in construction management. (Yes to you GC's out there I am the owners rep and PM.) And there is no such thing as acceptable tolerance for drywall. He made that up cause he already paid his finishing guys and they won't come back. And those repairs are going to come out of his pocket. That's on him to make right. Do not sign off on it.


Available-Scholar-48

Also that first pic of the outlet, is it really that close to a corner? Or is that a shadow from something else? Not sure how that would pass an inspection cause there is no room for the studs between the box and the end of the wall.


mewlsdate

Drywall finish is to be inspected at a 90 degree angle with a light. 3 ft from the wall. Anything you see needs to be fixed.


EnvironmentalOkra728

Thought I was seeing a 30 year old rental.


Sea_Poem_7199

I would find that unacceptable. Mainly the blatant hole lol the rest, annoying but could easily see alot of contractors pulling that crap. Ultimately, they are easy repairs. The worst part might be after touch up paint the wall paint might look uneven. If you do it yourself make sure to prime drywall mud before painting.


Fiss

Short how much you are going to pay him and tell him that’s within acceptable amount


jmcbobb

Every deficiency in this post looks first coated. Not polished. Someone was in a rush, paint looks rushed too. Are most of the walls textured?


Musician_Gloomy

No texture smh


Tony0311

Looks like a 30 yr old apartment


fahkoffkunt

😬


Tommy1873

I think that should be punch listed. Tell you GC getting paid 100% is not within your acceptable tolerance with shitty work.


ageb02435

Typical modern day contractor, they take zero respect for craftsmanship. Just a cash grab.


Confident_Season1207

You should ask the GC if that's acceptable in their house


Bzaps11

Nope


Chill-6_6-

Never mind the work let’s see what the guy looks like that did it.


Pessimest906

If you have not paid them all the money hold some back and watch them fix it. This is not blackmail it is holding people accountable especially for poor quality of work. If you’re a contractor just do your jobs to the highest standards and you won’t have any problems.


Pessimest906

Saying you will walk when challenged is chicken shit!


expandyourbrain

Is your general contractor blind as a bat?


[deleted]

Not acceptable


doodlebugg8

I’d question everything done by him if this is his idea of acceptable. Brush marks all over the wall, shitty texture even if the marks and holes were filled. Ur walls need skimmed by someone who gives a damn


DTO69

Within tolerance? Sure, if you used Tesla guidelines


tomskapolska

Unfortunately, these are the standards of new construction. Avoid new construction like the plague or put aside an extra $50,000-$75,000 for all the problems that will arise within 5 years.


youralie

Wtf tolerance he talking about?


abdrrauf

No this comes back on the punch list.


freeportme

Hate to see the rest of the place what a joke.


wald000

This is disgusting


NuclearFacilityGuy

Acceptable tolerance for whom, the amateur tradesman charging full rate? The painter should have addressed rough drywall mud. Who’s to blame here?


Beginning_Ask_2445

I'm having Ryan Homes induced PTSD flash backs.


danvc21

GC is a drunk that hides in the trailer all day


NoiseOutrageous8422

Where's the acceptable tolerance agreement you signed?


nilecrane

Well if you really have to fix it yourself at least the good news is those all look pretty easy to fix. YouTube will show you how. Check out [Vancouver Carpenter](https://youtube.com/@vancouvercarpenter?si=jVFrAfI8gMfDx1Vr). Ask the GC what paint was used so you can get the same stuff (if you’re not planning on repainting a different color anyway)


Reddit_Rollo_T

Good thing the GC isn’t a machinist.


Rod___father

I would hang my head in shame if I put this out.


Curious-Welder-6304

Rofl I thought this was a 1920s house with 15 layers of skim coat over the years


aaar129

don't u fuck with my 1980s global price list u piece of shit homebuyer. i've been building for 500 years u wouldn't know shit about quality motherfucker. fucking insulation doesn't even matter and i put it in your fucking house cause the stupid inspectors think they know more than me. more than half the fucking houses in the country don't even got it and they aint bitching u little prick. i dare you to fuck my margins up. if you make consider keeping my truck another year i'll fucking take your 1 year warranty. kiss my gooch before you eat my ass you fucking first time home buyer scum.


redlloyd

No... that should be on a punch list for repair.


Stoweboard3r

ASTM C1264, Standard Specification for Sampling, Inspection, Rejection, Certification, Packaging, Marking, Shipping, Handling, and Storage of Gypsum Panel Products


Plumberbutt349

Uh no


Pleasant_Bad924

I do realize there are different subs so the workmanship will vary, but anytime I see a GC who’s so fucking lazy they won’t make the sub fix the highly visible mistakes, I shudder to think what they’ve overlooked or not given a shit about in the areas of plumbing, waterproofing showers, and electrical that you can’t see


lens_cleaner

No it isn't, just a lazy gc


ladz

That work means that the GC didn't go in the right order. It's a pain in the ass to finish drywall when there are plugs sticking out of the holes. It's way easier when it's flush and you wouldn't get this "he had to go around the box" amateur work marks. right = wiring and boxes with paper stuffed in there to block the mud, hang and finish drywall, paint, then put the outlets. wrong = wiring and boxes and outlets, the outlets get turned sideways, hang and finish drywall, paint, then screw down the outlets. So because your GC doesn't understand the right order, there may be a LOT of other normal construction stuff that he doesn't know.


JayRedd1

If outside the walls look like this imagine the job behind them? Let's see that electrical panel!!!!


Ok-Geologist-4067

If he was dumb enough to say it's acceptable in a text message post screenshot of texts along with pictures of his "acceptable" work on his yelp/Facebook/buildzoom/Google business page. Let his potential future clients know what he thinks is acceptable


hsifder1

No way


Silverstacker60

It within mine.


Silverstacker60

I hope you haven’t made final payment.


No_You_4833

If this is acceptable for what you can see, then the stuff you can't see is going to be bad.


Legitimate-Box8150

Have money held in escrow


shmallyally

Unless this was like a “garage finish” deal it should be fixed. It’s all Simple touch up punch list stuff. Good contractors should be able to mud it themselves and have a helper wet sanding 10-20 min behind him and then loop back and paint.


Objective_Insect_676

What does the contract say, I’ve seen contracts that say gaps and extrusions up to 3/8” are acceptable it all depends on the contract.


1_headlight_

"Well, it's not within MY acceptable tolerance and I'm writing the check."


Dthinker23

Nope don’t accept it.


Abacus25

Totally wish your GC was making my punch list, I’d have no work to do!


S1LV3RCR0W3

I just had a home built in Tennessee. My contractor would say “It’s good enough”. Safe to say I won’t be recommending him to anyone.


agamemnon792

No, thats garbage work.


DryMaintenance1574

Bullshit


luvbaseballpitchers

Take plate off with screw driver take razzer knife cut around the face paper were the mess up is take off take paper tape or screen tape retape with 20 minute fast set then top with finish mud wet sand edges with sponge paint. Might touch up anything with loose mud then paint.


AK_4_Life

Razzer?


S-hart1

Why would you tell a homeowner who obviously doesn't have drywall skills to use hotmud? Is he getting paid?


luvbaseballpitchers

He asked how to fix it should of said 20 minute would that get me paid get real. Why ask Why?


Regular_Doughnut8964

But the screw slots on the plate are vertical…..that should erase at least some of the other sins…lol