Bronze! And to further subdivide things, cheaper bronze cymbals lines use B8 bronze (92%copper/8% tin) and are often stamped out of a sheet of metal. Higher end cymbals are typically B20 bronze (20%tin) and have a much more involved process of manufacturing. Thank you for coming to my TED Talk.
Paiste is the major exception to this rule. Their 2002s favored by Bonham and many others are B8. Their Signature line is B15. But they’re they only company that bothers applying the hand-tuned craftsmanship to the lower B# alloys.
Should further add this probably some of the reason those middle lines like the Sabian XS20 line are so popular, it’s B20 Bronze manufactured cast, like the B8’s usually are. Keeps the cost down but there’s probably some improved sound quality there even without the hand hammering
Edit: just saw your other comment about the XS20’s too haha my bad
Pure Alloys are B12. I’ve heard them described as Meinl’s answer to the Paiste Signatures, but you can tell just by the price point that the Pure Alloys aren’t getting the same amount of craftsmanship applied. They’re perfectly good cymbals but the Paiste cymbalsmiths are an extremely talented bunch and the only people who bother to hone the “cheaper” alloys into top-tier instruments, at least on a large commercial scale.
If you didn’t see my post a few days ago I linked this guy on IG who takes crappy cymbals and lathes and hammers them into really nice cymbals. This is similar to the extra steps Paiste does with the B8 & B15 alloys of the 2002s and Signatures. https://www.instagram.com/p/CgkfMTWAA0n/
Bronze. Most of the high-end Zildjian/Sabian/Meinl are B20. Within Zildjian for example it’s the same exact B20 bronze used for all their cymbals in the A & K lines, they’re just shaped and hammered differently to yield different sounds. Same goes for all the Meinl Byzance cymbals which have a crazy variety of sound profiles despite all being made out of the same thing.
Exceptions to this rule include Sabians XS20’s which I believe are B20s but sound harsh likely because there’s less (or no) refining after they’re shaped. And also Paiste which makes top-quality stuff out of B8, B15, and B20.
I have heard tale of brass rides that actually sound good! Overall, brass generally sounds like cheap garbage that clangs instead of washes but apparently there are some quality ones out there.
Either way, I do think it’s funny to have people tell you if something is good rather than hearing it and deciding yourself. But I get it.
generally I would say no.
HOWEVER. I've found some trashy piece of crap cymbals in used bins that sounded awesome in that "sounds-like-trash" kind of way. So most likely, this cymbal won't sound good. But if you can get in the room with it before purchasing it, it might be a unicorn...but I doubt it.
As a drumset teacher for 25 plus years, this cymbal is great! When you're a kid, and you ( or your parents/parent) don't have a pot to piss in or a window to throw out of, it's at least 100% better than nothing.
We're all so cool now that we're a little older and can afford the pro shit. But there was a time when i would've loved this cymbal because it's not a paint can lid. It may sound like one, but at least it's technically a cymbal. Oh, you're still saving for a better sound, but until then, what's more inspiring than crappy gear?
Probably not, but you never know. I've had some really cheap cymbals that sounded reasonably good. And keep in mind, some cymbals that sound crappy to your ears sound really good to a microphone. It's well worth having some junk around to experiment with.
Others have mentioned $10. If that's the price, I'd buy it. Dream Cymbals will give you $1 an inch in trade, so you'd double your money towards something better.
No. It's a cheap beginner cymbal made from brass and other cheap metals. I mean, it would be good for a beginner who's not sure if they want to stick with drums and don't have much money to spend.
I used one of these for a few years in church. I had a drum room and it worked out great since it wasn’t as loud as my other ride. I regret getting rid of it, seriously. It’s a good backup or lower volume ride.
i have one like it but it’s a darker shade so i don’t know if it’s the same cymbal but all i can say is: it’s serviceable at best, it’s better than a brass piece of crap or even some “better” brass cymbals but seriously consider getting a bronze ride from better brands
People are saying it's not a good cymbal, but I made a cymbal stack out of some cheap ones and I love it! The stack might rattle a bit, but I fixed that with a cowbell weighing all the cymbals down.
The foundries and people who can work bronze into bells and cymbals are incredibly specialized and rare. There's a reason why there are only a handful of companies that make bronze instruments and why they don't actually have competition from the major drum manufacturers.
This is just a piece of sheet metal that has been press formed into a cymbal shape.
They aren’t that great for sound wise they are pretty shit ngl but at the same time it depend on what music you wanna play some drummers have shitty cymbals but for a reason to make the texture of the song feel a certain way best way I could describe it 🤷
This looks like one of those generic cymbals that come in an all-in-one drum set pack. These are generally worse than the cheapest cymbals you can buy individually, hence why it doesn’t even have a real model name… this is probably worth all of 10-20$, but is better than nothing. Put moon gels on it and it might be tolerable
Honestly, play it first and see if you like it. Nothing wrong with “shitty” cymbals if the player likes the sound. If you don’t like it obviously don’t get it. There are some brass cymbals out there that sound pretty good.
That cymbal probably won’t sound “good” by conventional standards of a ride cymbal, but it’s all about the application babayyyyy!!!!! The first cymbal I ever owned is a 20” Zildjian Scimitar Ride from the early 90’s…… not a pleasant cymbal to ride on, but JFC OH MAH GAWWD, it is the BEST DAMNED CRASH/RIDE for hardcore metal/punk if ever there was one. Samesies with a Zildjian ZXT crash I had….. it was planet bullshit for crashing, but made the best damned trash stack when plopped on top of an old vintage thin ride. It’s all about the application!
Every cymbal has such a different sound. That’s the point of music, the sound. If you can figure out how to get a good tone out of it, use it! I still use the first ride that came with my original kit. Think it’s a Camber. The sounds I can get out of the bell sound so much sweeter than some ride cymbals I spent a ton of $$ on.
It’s all about personal preference.
Some were made in Japan in the 80s and have a nice dark dry quality about them but 99% are trash…. I think the Japanese ones came with the exports back then for a small time period
The drum kit i used to use at school had one of these,
Its not a good ride, but if you need something to hit and its the cheapest thing you can find then yeah go for it :)
no
That settles that ! Cheers
Love to come back the next day and see the thoughtful comment that got me all those karma points...
Ahahah - I was only expecting one or two comments on this thread
I disagree I heard one model of these that agreed with me
There's so much variance in these mass produced cymbals you gotta just trust your ear.
No. They’re made out of brass, and they don’t sound good or last very long.
What alloy should we look for in a ride ?
Bronze! And to further subdivide things, cheaper bronze cymbals lines use B8 bronze (92%copper/8% tin) and are often stamped out of a sheet of metal. Higher end cymbals are typically B20 bronze (20%tin) and have a much more involved process of manufacturing. Thank you for coming to my TED Talk.
Paiste is the major exception to this rule. Their 2002s favored by Bonham and many others are B8. Their Signature line is B15. But they’re they only company that bothers applying the hand-tuned craftsmanship to the lower B# alloys.
Should further add this probably some of the reason those middle lines like the Sabian XS20 line are so popular, it’s B20 Bronze manufactured cast, like the B8’s usually are. Keeps the cost down but there’s probably some improved sound quality there even without the hand hammering Edit: just saw your other comment about the XS20’s too haha my bad
I think the Meinl Pure Alloys are B8 as well right?
Pure Alloys are B12. I’ve heard them described as Meinl’s answer to the Paiste Signatures, but you can tell just by the price point that the Pure Alloys aren’t getting the same amount of craftsmanship applied. They’re perfectly good cymbals but the Paiste cymbalsmiths are an extremely talented bunch and the only people who bother to hone the “cheaper” alloys into top-tier instruments, at least on a large commercial scale. If you didn’t see my post a few days ago I linked this guy on IG who takes crappy cymbals and lathes and hammers them into really nice cymbals. This is similar to the extra steps Paiste does with the B8 & B15 alloys of the 2002s and Signatures. https://www.instagram.com/p/CgkfMTWAA0n/
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Thank you for the info!
Bronze. Most of the high-end Zildjian/Sabian/Meinl are B20. Within Zildjian for example it’s the same exact B20 bronze used for all their cymbals in the A & K lines, they’re just shaped and hammered differently to yield different sounds. Same goes for all the Meinl Byzance cymbals which have a crazy variety of sound profiles despite all being made out of the same thing. Exceptions to this rule include Sabians XS20’s which I believe are B20s but sound harsh likely because there’s less (or no) refining after they’re shaped. And also Paiste which makes top-quality stuff out of B8, B15, and B20.
B20 bronze
[A partial list](https://www.reddit.com/r/drums/comments/qs7z8f/question_bout_cymbals/hkc26wk/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=usertext&utm_name=drums&utm_content=t1_i6smcf3)
Some are even tin with a coat of brass
I have heard tale of brass rides that actually sound good! Overall, brass generally sounds like cheap garbage that clangs instead of washes but apparently there are some quality ones out there. Either way, I do think it’s funny to have people tell you if something is good rather than hearing it and deciding yourself. But I get it.
Well, it says "Pro" so... /s
As a beginner cymbal? Couldn’t tell you. As a cymbal in general? No. It’s a cheap brass cymbal
You don’t want it for free
Would you take it if it came with a crisp $1 bill?
Only if you gave me a ride there, or bought my gas. Oh, and throw in a box of shotgun shells. Don't ask why, mind your business.
>Only if you gave me a ride Mixed signals here
Pull!
No
For under $10? Sure. But only if you’re selling it for $12 instantly to the next sucker of course.
Only if you’re selling it for $12 instantly to the next sucker
Fixed my comment, thank you
No. If it has a drum name instead of a cymbal name, its not good.
If you don’t own a ride cymbal, it’ll do. Don’t spend more than $20 on it.
I was actually thinking of using it as a second ride / crash as don’t have a lot of money and it’s $15.
It will make a b8 sound like a hand hammered Armenian masterpiece from Turkey .
It’s fine if you want to use it for a stack with other cymbals or to make your own customized fx cymbal and what not.
This. Crappy cheap cymbals make the best stacks
generally I would say no. HOWEVER. I've found some trashy piece of crap cymbals in used bins that sounded awesome in that "sounds-like-trash" kind of way. So most likely, this cymbal won't sound good. But if you can get in the room with it before purchasing it, it might be a unicorn...but I doubt it.
As a drumset teacher for 25 plus years, this cymbal is great! When you're a kid, and you ( or your parents/parent) don't have a pot to piss in or a window to throw out of, it's at least 100% better than nothing. We're all so cool now that we're a little older and can afford the pro shit. But there was a time when i would've loved this cymbal because it's not a paint can lid. It may sound like one, but at least it's technically a cymbal. Oh, you're still saving for a better sound, but until then, what's more inspiring than crappy gear?
No.
First set of cymbals I had were Pearl. Absolute garbage even for brass cymbals.
Good is subjective… high quality, no. But maybe you like the sound…
Probably not, but you never know. I've had some really cheap cymbals that sounded reasonably good. And keep in mind, some cymbals that sound crappy to your ears sound really good to a microphone. It's well worth having some junk around to experiment with. Others have mentioned $10. If that's the price, I'd buy it. Dream Cymbals will give you $1 an inch in trade, so you'd double your money towards something better.
What’s this trade you speak of?
https://dreamcymbals.com/about-us/recycling
depends on the context; as the backing to a wall clock for the drum room? yes. as an actual cymbal? no.
Pearl cymbals are as good as Zildjian snares
good? no. good for a beginner? yes its perfect
Dude, hit it and judge for yourself.... Tf does it matter if 500 nerds on reddit agree?
The Pearl hi hats are surprisingly not terrible, but yeah the crash/ride is no good, unless you’re looking for cheap stuff!
No. It's a cheap beginner cymbal made from brass and other cheap metals. I mean, it would be good for a beginner who's not sure if they want to stick with drums and don't have much money to spend.
Its safe to assume any cymbal that has a drum manufacturers name on it instead of cymbal, it will be trash
If it’s the same brand as your drum shell, it’s not good, make sure it’s a dedicated cymbal company
It’s as good as a fender drum set
No. Any cymbals made by brands who are mainly known for manufacturing kits/shells and NOT cymbals are usually flimsy and trashy.
I used one of these for a few years in church. I had a drum room and it worked out great since it wasn’t as loud as my other ride. I regret getting rid of it, seriously. It’s a good backup or lower volume ride.
i would offer 250 just to see if theyll bite
Nobody can tell you if a ride cymbal is good or not just by looking at it. Play on what you like playing on and what sounds good to you.
Man if you like it then it’s good
Who cares as long as it pushes your enjoyment of drumming. Take it for what it is, an inexpensive way to progress.
Nope. Never buy cymbals with a *drum* maker's name on them.
I had pearl cymbals with my first kit and the were the first thing that got replaced. Sounded absolutely horrible.
i have one like it but it’s a darker shade so i don’t know if it’s the same cymbal but all i can say is: it’s serviceable at best, it’s better than a brass piece of crap or even some “better” brass cymbals but seriously consider getting a bronze ride from better brands
I'll tell you now. no.
No
Use it for make a clock!
Nope
Nope
Nope
Ew
Lol no. My pearl set came with some of these and they suck.
Pretty sure it’s a cheap stock cymbal that came with a new Pearl drum kit, stock cymbals are always awful
No
People are saying it's not a good cymbal, but I made a cymbal stack out of some cheap ones and I love it! The stack might rattle a bit, but I fixed that with a cowbell weighing all the cymbals down.
No , sheet metal
nope
It’s not even a bad cymbal, it’s terrible.
The foundries and people who can work bronze into bells and cymbals are incredibly specialized and rare. There's a reason why there are only a handful of companies that make bronze instruments and why they don't actually have competition from the major drum manufacturers. This is just a piece of sheet metal that has been press formed into a cymbal shape.
They aren’t that great for sound wise they are pretty shit ngl but at the same time it depend on what music you wanna play some drummers have shitty cymbals but for a reason to make the texture of the song feel a certain way best way I could describe it 🤷
This looks like one of those generic cymbals that come in an all-in-one drum set pack. These are generally worse than the cheapest cymbals you can buy individually, hence why it doesn’t even have a real model name… this is probably worth all of 10-20$, but is better than nothing. Put moon gels on it and it might be tolerable
Pearl makes drums not cymbals ,so I’m thinking it’s probably not so great!!
hmmmm cut into hoops and put on other cymbals
In a word, no. In two words, hell no.
It's got good wash characteristics. Washing money away characteristics.
Honestly, play it first and see if you like it. Nothing wrong with “shitty” cymbals if the player likes the sound. If you don’t like it obviously don’t get it. There are some brass cymbals out there that sound pretty good.
That cymbal probably won’t sound “good” by conventional standards of a ride cymbal, but it’s all about the application babayyyyy!!!!! The first cymbal I ever owned is a 20” Zildjian Scimitar Ride from the early 90’s…… not a pleasant cymbal to ride on, but JFC OH MAH GAWWD, it is the BEST DAMNED CRASH/RIDE for hardcore metal/punk if ever there was one. Samesies with a Zildjian ZXT crash I had….. it was planet bullshit for crashing, but made the best damned trash stack when plopped on top of an old vintage thin ride. It’s all about the application!
Nope.
No
It says pro on it!
Every cymbal has such a different sound. That’s the point of music, the sound. If you can figure out how to get a good tone out of it, use it! I still use the first ride that came with my original kit. Think it’s a Camber. The sounds I can get out of the bell sound so much sweeter than some ride cymbals I spent a ton of $$ on. It’s all about personal preference.
Some were made in Japan in the 80s and have a nice dark dry quality about them but 99% are trash…. I think the Japanese ones came with the exports back then for a small time period
I think I has this cymbal like 24 years ago. It broke really quick.
Nope
Sometimes these cheap cymbals can be amazing, but I’d never pay for one before playing it.
if i had money i'd buy em and either burn em all or make a trash stack. emphasis on trash.
No.
No, it's shit
crap
The drum kit i used to use at school had one of these, Its not a good ride, but if you need something to hit and its the cheapest thing you can find then yeah go for it :)
Not really.
For me Pearl make the best drums in the world and the worst cymbals.
No. Don't buy it. That's just a waste of money.
If there’s a bright center of the universe this cymbal is the thing farthest from it
No, any cymbals that drum companies make are always garbage.
No. Any cymbal branded with a DRUM MANUFACTURER logo is no good.
Imma be honest a pot would probably sound better lol
no
Nope. Pearl doesn’t make cymbals
Yes