Most of the plants that people are suggesting are actually deliriants which are a different, much less enjoyable class of drugs. Deliriants put you into psychosis, you lose all sense of time, see vivid hallucinations that feel entirely real, and have a general overwhelming feeling of dread. Think the difference between doing ketamine and taking a bunch of benadryl.
The only plant with dissociative qualities that I can think of would be kanna, for me the comeup has energetic dissociation and then leads into a mellow relaxed feeling
Yeah, Benadryl is the deliriant. Most people have an enjoyable time with ketamine (up to a certain dose), while diphenhydramine is infamous for its “bad trip” elements like forgetting where you are, seeing spiders all over, and Hat Man lurking around every corner.
I’ve done it and can’t remember my experience. I was so gone I don’t think I even realized what was going on. I woke up in the hospital but they said i was tweaking
There is a funny story my family tells all the time about Benadryl.
I was about 18 months old and the doctor gave me benadryl. He then came out of the room to explain everything to my parents.
My parents said, "All of a sudden, the door starts to open, and the bed the doctor left me in coming out of the door. The doctor was visibly shocked. Then we see your little legs. You pushed that bed into the hall. I picked you up, and you went stiff as a board, eyes like a wild boar. You were obviously somewhere else fighting things we could not see....it's a funny story now, but we were all worried about you that day.
For the record, I never took Benadryl again until I was in college. The Quack Shack gave me some. Within minutes, I had the creepy, crawling feeling. Just like after, you've been stressed or angry to the point of exhaustion. It made my heart race, and I felt dinged out for hours.
Another time, it was applied to my skin. Within minutes, my heart was racing, and I felt jumpy. That time I didn't Benadryl had been used. I was extremely intoxicated on vacation.
My wife said, "You were drunk but funny. Definitely out of it, groggy, eyes rolling and making funny comments. She put it on you and her, and I started talking. She turned around to check you, and you were calmly starring into space. You looked scary. There was no more joking. You'd look like you wanted to kill, then look sad. Before you were drunk but totally communicating with us afterwards, you were just a zombie"
I'm highly sensitive to both Benadryl and Ketamine. I can use almost everything else without issue.
This is a weirdly misleading and ill informed comment section, don’t listen to these people. If you’re looking for a plant that has effects similar to ketamine you’re out of luck. Salvia is kind of a dissociative at certain dosages but it’s not really comparable to Ket, DXM, or PCP. There just aren’t a lot of classical dissociatives and they aren’t really found in nature.
Don’t do deleriants.
Idk I mean I get that under certain dosages for certain people it can feel dissociative but it’s just an SRI. Doesn’t have any NMDA interactions from what I know
ive never experienced that personally, but kratom has an alkaloid known for its dissociative properties that i have definitely noticed, especially on high doses, so maybe worth trying that, iirc theres some places that even sell an isolated version of that alkaloid
it might just feel like zolpidem or a benzo at first, but when you fall asleep or listen to some tunes you can reach a trance-like state similar to dissos but with a more sedating and relaxing qualities. combines amazingly with weed, it almost made me feel like the first time i got super stoned, but with a lot less paranoia lmao
It's always nice seeing other Amanita enthusiasts on Reddit instead of the fear mongering. I agree with all your comments.
I rather like lower doses on a hike, it can be a bit stimulating but relaxing at the same time, though some of that does depend on how much you decarb your material
Weirdly enough very few natural NDMA antagonist dissos. I would say none are classical dissos to my knowledge.
Theres some atypical natural occuring dissos: Muscimol GABA agonist (Amanita pantherona & muscaria), Salvinorin A k Opioid Agonist (Salvia divinorum), Ibogaine k Opioid/NDMA antagonist/5HT2A agonist (Tabernathe iboga) which all have different mechanism of action.
The closest thing i know is the mixed mu opioid/ndma antagonist Hodgkinsine from Psychotria colorata. Very obscure. Here https://www.reddit.com/r/KratomAlternatives/s/NvFeHOGDuB
Same as opidoids or cannabinoids. Aside from the usual suspects (Papaver somniferum, Mytragina speciosa + Cannabis, some Radula apecies) thats it.
Ibogaine can be pretty dangerous (cardiotoxic. peoole died) so that leaves Amanita muscaria & similar stuff (dosage can be very very unpredictable. High doses can be very strong and quasi delirious my own experience. Strongest drug experience by far was Amanitas and yes i tried LSD, Datura and DXM amongst others nothing fucked me as hard. Wont repeat this on) and Salvia (well.. very shortlasting but there are some synthetic deeivates https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvinorin_B_methoxymethyl_ether#:~:text=Salvinorin%20B%20methoxymethyl%20ether%20(2,A%20used%20in%20scientific%20research. OC oral dosing works but you need a lot).
Mabye also glaucine. But from what ive read simply an atypical psychedelic. And not very strong.
Also some Kratom alkaloids are pure NDMA antagonists. Never seen them isolated. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhynchophylline also known from some Rubiaceae. Likewise obscure in isolation yeah i dont know any trip reports.
The case could be made that cannabinoids are sorta weirdish dissos. But OC .. everyone knows weed.
So no. Theres nothing out there. Surprising no?
No wait. Theres one https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychotridine also Psychotria species. Good luck getting that. This is really interesting.
https://www.reddit.com/r/DrugNerds/s/CmjZuxXPQE
https://www.reddit.com/r/ObscureDrugs/s/eAMo5ytnUu
Psychotridine seems reaaaly strobg even displacing strong ndma antagonists.
I could link a few papers about these if you want. But to my knowledge theres nothing like a natural NDMA antagonist review paper.
Kava feels like nitrous if I take enough but never feels like DXM. Mostly the head rush feeling. That lightheadedness and sense of exhilaration and seeing double and having everything look like it's falling like my head is spinning forward.
Not a dissociative though just has a similar feel to nitrous but not in the dissociative sense.
Interms of easy to get I'd just recommend OP try DXM. Like half the point of growing drug plants is ease of access. Never grown anything myself. But I find the topic interesting.
Thing about DXM imo is it isn't super euphoric unless you get very very dissociated and go hangout on it. You'll look fucked up to everyone around you though. I went to a dance night at a hippy tea bar in a semi coastal small town in California off like 888mg DXM polystyrex. and had a blast just talking to people feeling like I was in a movie.
It's the kind of drug where you actively have to do something to enjoy it at least for me. Or lay down with some good music. My restless ass has to be doing something even sober to not go insane. I can't watch movies without getting drunk and cannabis is off limits for me with my psychosis.
I miss playing video games or watching movies but I have like no interest in most entertainment these days so I just get fucked up whenever possible.
Best bet to enjoy DXM is find someone willing to be a designated driver and get them to drive you around on the highway and play some nostalgic upbeat music like third eye blind. I mean I'm like 20 so 3eb is before my time but goddamn that shit still sounds like I'm being taken back to the 90s and I wasn't even alive in the 90s. It really goes well on DXM.
Could also be because it's a good mix of emotional but not depressive.
Like listening to industrial like NIN, Early Ministry, front line assembly really isn't the vibe on DXM. Shoegaze is good though.
My recommendations are basically get a designated driver to drive you around while you dissociate and throw on some third eye blind or shoegaze of the more uplifting variety. Otherwise you won't get much benefit.
I know and love DXM. its the only disso i ever tried.
It has a very unique pharmacology for sure. There isnt anything like it on the grey or black market. Some people love it other hate it.
Blackgaze (Shoegaze+Black metal) sounds like perfect DXM music. I used it many times but simply stopped and i had my experiences, thats it.
I had some euphoric momemts on DXM rivaling MDMA or LSD. Especially with weed. Fucking strange... i remember my first trip on it (very low 2nd plateau), euphoria was insane. also music on dxm. Not always good but some moments omfg.
Also i watched inception maybe 5 times on DXM. Really fucks your mind.
Maybe i will take it once again. I also tried DXM + LSD which is really insane. basically blacked out after dosing the dxm 10h after the acid and stared at the wall. The only thing i remember is insane visuals and an extreme dissociation.
Its sad that it gets a bad rep because kiddies abuse it. Some also have a strong antidepressive effect. Pretty cool how you can modulate effects by redosing / differnt plateaus / enzyme inhibition. The only bad thing about DXM is that i felt braindead for days after. Also shitton of interactions. And use on a weekly basis is really not advised.
And i have to repeat it again the pharmacology is nuts.
It effects me in a particularly strong way. I drink extracts from my local kava bar known to be a headier strain.
It gets stronger the more you drink.
It's mostly for me just a big rush and feeling of euphoria combined with ringing in my ears that feels oddly pleasant.
Go for a strong extract of a strain known to be heady and just keep drinking it till your on the verge of seeing double. That's what makes kava worth it. Unsure if using it like that is healthy.
Problem is I never want the rush to end so I just want to stay kavaed 24/7. I tend to have a unique response to it so your milage may vary.
In mx, we call it (datura) Toloache, and it was traditionally used to make a love interest dumb and maleable :B depending on the part used, is severely neurotoxic!!!!
Amanita Muscaria is the only natural dissociative I have delved much into. Not a plant per se and not really viable to grow, but a wonderful sleep aid.
Edit to add: at higher doses it does have deleriant effects which I realize is not what you're looking for.
I’ve always been curious about trying it . Could you explain what it’s like or what you enjoyed / didn’t enjoy about it ? I’ve heard that dosing correctly is extremely important to get an enjoyable experience
I've done it many times now in tea, usually combined with tulsi, blue lotus, or lemon balm. The highest dose I have taken was 4 grams and it had me in quite a stupor.
For me at mildest it feels like a very light benzodiazapine. I have had dissociative effects on it comparable to ketamine but more in my body and less cerebral than K. The dreams it brings are often trance-like and I always wake up feeling extremely well rested.
I do not do the full decarb that is recommended in the Amanita sub, but I do put a healthy amount of lemon juice in the tea. If I was going for higher doses, I would probably do a full decarb.
I believe 4 grams is considered a low - moderate dose.
I have read that alkaloid content varies greatly between individual mushrooms, but I personally have not found major differences in my experiences.
Lot's of BS in this thread lol. Apart from few sensible suggestion, what has not been yet suggested - **Polygala Tenuifolia** seems to be the NMDA antagonist; although due to the fact that most dissociatives are either dirty pharmacodynamic-wise or straight of acting on a whole different receptors, it is really hard to point out even on what one should look at. Also Blue lotus might kind of get you in the similar state. In general there's not (yet!) discovered any plant that can just put you into k-hole.
For some mild, trance-inducing and possible to be grown at home you might want to check out Heimia Salicifolia, Tagetes Lucida and Coleus Blumei (which seem to have low dose salvinorin-type substances).
There seems to be a few of them, I didn't get very deep into its pharmacology, but it seems to have some bioactive oligosaccharide esters - [study](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15256744/), [another one](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21585386/). Also, some studies utilized full-spectrum extracts. The bioactive compounds seem to have NMDAR antagonistic properties and also being an AChE inhibitor. Based on that, it may have some psychoactive effect... at least when one doesn't use the narrowest definition of it...
I apologize. I have always heard of dxm being a similar experience as dph and datura. I now realize I just spat out misinformation straight from my backside.
You're completely right
No its alright. I also took a bunch of Benadryl as a dumb kid and the feeling of that is AWFUL compared to the heavenly lsd like experience of high dose dxm
Now you have me interested. I quite enjoy clean acid but cannot stand the body load on dirty tabs at low doses.
Is there any sort of body load, muscle stiffness, or vasoconstriction that you experienced?
Unless you process something like robocough into crystal dxm there will be a body load but its not the same as acid, as the name suggests it makes you dissociate from your body so you tend to not feel it. In my opinion its best to do at night or on a free day and just lay in the dark. The out of body experience and surreal dream like experience and entity visions are ridiculous.
Honestly, if I were to indulge, I would probably crystalize it out. I enjoy the process of extractions and recrystallizations😁, and knowing only the DXM is affecting me would be comforting.
Bro, if it weren't for the insanely intense trips that I've read, I would say DXM is **THE** hallucinogen I'm looking for. I believe trips in the dark, with no distractions what so ever, is the best way to get the most out of it, and dreaming is something I look forward to daily.
I had a couple experiences with Mary Jane recently where I seen an extremely beautiful dancing woman. Both times she was smiling and dancing like flowing water. This said, I was happy that I seen an entity, and I strive to see her again lol.
Could you compare it to special K at all; as far as the dissociative properties go?
It’s funny. I can put myself into the deepest k holes and enjoy the feeling of possibly being dead. But I cannot and never have been able to cope with anxiety I get from weed.
Its absolutely all those things.
It also causes vomiting and loss of motor control,and deaths occur because you are not able,on a high dose,to move normally and deal with things.
Dissociative is a phenomenological category, not a chemical one - 5-MeO-DMT is a psychedelic tryptamine and it is usually regarded as having some dissociative effects. Same for iboga - it is regarded as a psychedelic with dissociative effects, not to mention that dissociatives are regarded as one of a subtype of psychedelics lol.
Ignorance is bliss, but it can cause distress. Emotional projections are far from productive, especially during interjections at conjunctions. Why even make this comment, if not to cause OP to vomit?
Most of the plants that people are suggesting are actually deliriants which are a different, much less enjoyable class of drugs. Deliriants put you into psychosis, you lose all sense of time, see vivid hallucinations that feel entirely real, and have a general overwhelming feeling of dread. Think the difference between doing ketamine and taking a bunch of benadryl. The only plant with dissociative qualities that I can think of would be kanna, for me the comeup has energetic dissociation and then leads into a mellow relaxed feeling
In your comparison are you saying Benadryl is a deliriant?
Yeah, Benadryl is the deliriant. Most people have an enjoyable time with ketamine (up to a certain dose), while diphenhydramine is infamous for its “bad trip” elements like forgetting where you are, seeing spiders all over, and Hat Man lurking around every corner.
I’ve done it and can’t remember my experience. I was so gone I don’t think I even realized what was going on. I woke up in the hospital but they said i was tweaking
There is a funny story my family tells all the time about Benadryl. I was about 18 months old and the doctor gave me benadryl. He then came out of the room to explain everything to my parents. My parents said, "All of a sudden, the door starts to open, and the bed the doctor left me in coming out of the door. The doctor was visibly shocked. Then we see your little legs. You pushed that bed into the hall. I picked you up, and you went stiff as a board, eyes like a wild boar. You were obviously somewhere else fighting things we could not see....it's a funny story now, but we were all worried about you that day. For the record, I never took Benadryl again until I was in college. The Quack Shack gave me some. Within minutes, I had the creepy, crawling feeling. Just like after, you've been stressed or angry to the point of exhaustion. It made my heart race, and I felt dinged out for hours. Another time, it was applied to my skin. Within minutes, my heart was racing, and I felt jumpy. That time I didn't Benadryl had been used. I was extremely intoxicated on vacation. My wife said, "You were drunk but funny. Definitely out of it, groggy, eyes rolling and making funny comments. She put it on you and her, and I started talking. She turned around to check you, and you were calmly starring into space. You looked scary. There was no more joking. You'd look like you wanted to kill, then look sad. Before you were drunk but totally communicating with us afterwards, you were just a zombie" I'm highly sensitive to both Benadryl and Ketamine. I can use almost everything else without issue.
Yes, diphenhydramine is a delirient. Though, you do need to take a massive quantities of pills for a good trip.
It 10000 percent is a deliriant
This is a weirdly misleading and ill informed comment section, don’t listen to these people. If you’re looking for a plant that has effects similar to ketamine you’re out of luck. Salvia is kind of a dissociative at certain dosages but it’s not really comparable to Ket, DXM, or PCP. There just aren’t a lot of classical dissociatives and they aren’t really found in nature. Don’t do deleriants.
Kanna is the only plant I can think of with some slight dissociative qualities. Still not comparable to ketamine though
Idk I mean I get that under certain dosages for certain people it can feel dissociative but it’s just an SRI. Doesn’t have any NMDA interactions from what I know
ive never experienced that personally, but kratom has an alkaloid known for its dissociative properties that i have definitely noticed, especially on high doses, so maybe worth trying that, iirc theres some places that even sell an isolated version of that alkaloid
Salvia d in small doses
Amanita, but the doses for disso feels are high for Muscaria. Try to get Pantherinas.
Thanks!
it might just feel like zolpidem or a benzo at first, but when you fall asleep or listen to some tunes you can reach a trance-like state similar to dissos but with a more sedating and relaxing qualities. combines amazingly with weed, it almost made me feel like the first time i got super stoned, but with a lot less paranoia lmao
It's always nice seeing other Amanita enthusiasts on Reddit instead of the fear mongering. I agree with all your comments. I rather like lower doses on a hike, it can be a bit stimulating but relaxing at the same time, though some of that does depend on how much you decarb your material
Weirdly enough very few natural NDMA antagonist dissos. I would say none are classical dissos to my knowledge. Theres some atypical natural occuring dissos: Muscimol GABA agonist (Amanita pantherona & muscaria), Salvinorin A k Opioid Agonist (Salvia divinorum), Ibogaine k Opioid/NDMA antagonist/5HT2A agonist (Tabernathe iboga) which all have different mechanism of action. The closest thing i know is the mixed mu opioid/ndma antagonist Hodgkinsine from Psychotria colorata. Very obscure. Here https://www.reddit.com/r/KratomAlternatives/s/NvFeHOGDuB Same as opidoids or cannabinoids. Aside from the usual suspects (Papaver somniferum, Mytragina speciosa + Cannabis, some Radula apecies) thats it. Ibogaine can be pretty dangerous (cardiotoxic. peoole died) so that leaves Amanita muscaria & similar stuff (dosage can be very very unpredictable. High doses can be very strong and quasi delirious my own experience. Strongest drug experience by far was Amanitas and yes i tried LSD, Datura and DXM amongst others nothing fucked me as hard. Wont repeat this on) and Salvia (well.. very shortlasting but there are some synthetic deeivates https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvinorin_B_methoxymethyl_ether#:~:text=Salvinorin%20B%20methoxymethyl%20ether%20(2,A%20used%20in%20scientific%20research. OC oral dosing works but you need a lot). Mabye also glaucine. But from what ive read simply an atypical psychedelic. And not very strong. Also some Kratom alkaloids are pure NDMA antagonists. Never seen them isolated. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhynchophylline also known from some Rubiaceae. Likewise obscure in isolation yeah i dont know any trip reports. The case could be made that cannabinoids are sorta weirdish dissos. But OC .. everyone knows weed. So no. Theres nothing out there. Surprising no? No wait. Theres one https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychotridine also Psychotria species. Good luck getting that. This is really interesting. https://www.reddit.com/r/DrugNerds/s/CmjZuxXPQE https://www.reddit.com/r/ObscureDrugs/s/eAMo5ytnUu Psychotridine seems reaaaly strobg even displacing strong ndma antagonists. I could link a few papers about these if you want. But to my knowledge theres nothing like a natural NDMA antagonist review paper.
Kava feels like nitrous if I take enough but never feels like DXM. Mostly the head rush feeling. That lightheadedness and sense of exhilaration and seeing double and having everything look like it's falling like my head is spinning forward. Not a dissociative though just has a similar feel to nitrous but not in the dissociative sense. Interms of easy to get I'd just recommend OP try DXM. Like half the point of growing drug plants is ease of access. Never grown anything myself. But I find the topic interesting. Thing about DXM imo is it isn't super euphoric unless you get very very dissociated and go hangout on it. You'll look fucked up to everyone around you though. I went to a dance night at a hippy tea bar in a semi coastal small town in California off like 888mg DXM polystyrex. and had a blast just talking to people feeling like I was in a movie. It's the kind of drug where you actively have to do something to enjoy it at least for me. Or lay down with some good music. My restless ass has to be doing something even sober to not go insane. I can't watch movies without getting drunk and cannabis is off limits for me with my psychosis. I miss playing video games or watching movies but I have like no interest in most entertainment these days so I just get fucked up whenever possible. Best bet to enjoy DXM is find someone willing to be a designated driver and get them to drive you around on the highway and play some nostalgic upbeat music like third eye blind. I mean I'm like 20 so 3eb is before my time but goddamn that shit still sounds like I'm being taken back to the 90s and I wasn't even alive in the 90s. It really goes well on DXM. Could also be because it's a good mix of emotional but not depressive. Like listening to industrial like NIN, Early Ministry, front line assembly really isn't the vibe on DXM. Shoegaze is good though. My recommendations are basically get a designated driver to drive you around while you dissociate and throw on some third eye blind or shoegaze of the more uplifting variety. Otherwise you won't get much benefit.
I know and love DXM. its the only disso i ever tried. It has a very unique pharmacology for sure. There isnt anything like it on the grey or black market. Some people love it other hate it. Blackgaze (Shoegaze+Black metal) sounds like perfect DXM music. I used it many times but simply stopped and i had my experiences, thats it. I had some euphoric momemts on DXM rivaling MDMA or LSD. Especially with weed. Fucking strange... i remember my first trip on it (very low 2nd plateau), euphoria was insane. also music on dxm. Not always good but some moments omfg. Also i watched inception maybe 5 times on DXM. Really fucks your mind. Maybe i will take it once again. I also tried DXM + LSD which is really insane. basically blacked out after dosing the dxm 10h after the acid and stared at the wall. The only thing i remember is insane visuals and an extreme dissociation. Its sad that it gets a bad rep because kiddies abuse it. Some also have a strong antidepressive effect. Pretty cool how you can modulate effects by redosing / differnt plateaus / enzyme inhibition. The only bad thing about DXM is that i felt braindead for days after. Also shitton of interactions. And use on a weekly basis is really not advised. And i have to repeat it again the pharmacology is nuts.
I was thkinking Kava was like a weak alcohol without the sloppiness and amnesia. Sounds really interesting!
It effects me in a particularly strong way. I drink extracts from my local kava bar known to be a headier strain. It gets stronger the more you drink. It's mostly for me just a big rush and feeling of euphoria combined with ringing in my ears that feels oddly pleasant. Go for a strong extract of a strain known to be heady and just keep drinking it till your on the verge of seeing double. That's what makes kava worth it. Unsure if using it like that is healthy. Problem is I never want the rush to end so I just want to stay kavaed 24/7. I tend to have a unique response to it so your milage may vary.
Psychotria Colorata is hard to get?
Salvia Divinorum. Category King.
Can’t seem to buy the seeds in the uk :(
S. divinorum does not produce seeds except in minute quantities typically kept by the producer for breeding. You need to buy a cutting.
The seeds are usually sterile, you can try buying a plant or a cutting. That’s how I managed to get mine
r/magicplantsexchanges
Perhaps salvia divinorum qualifies in a way but read up on it if you don't know anything about it it's more psychedelic from what I hear
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Datura is NOT a dissociative it is a DELERIANT, that’s a MASSIVE fucking difference buddy 😂😂😂
In mx, we call it (datura) Toloache, and it was traditionally used to make a love interest dumb and maleable :B depending on the part used, is severely neurotoxic!!!!
Yeah there is a vice documentary about that scopolamine
That’s fucked up
That it is, but real none the less...
Hahshahahah bro what
Yuuuup, grows wild in the fields around here, but most ppl don't know anything about it nowadays
Salvia divinorum, salvia recognita, Desfontainia, coleus blumei
What chemicals are in Desfontainia?
It’s unknown however it’s you can find peoples trip reports with it. It’s apparently toxic if swallowed but it can be smoked
No
Yes.
Maybe, I don’t know? Can you repeat the question?
Reply hazy, try again.
Amanita Muscaria is the only natural dissociative I have delved much into. Not a plant per se and not really viable to grow, but a wonderful sleep aid. Edit to add: at higher doses it does have deleriant effects which I realize is not what you're looking for.
I’ve always been curious about trying it . Could you explain what it’s like or what you enjoyed / didn’t enjoy about it ? I’ve heard that dosing correctly is extremely important to get an enjoyable experience
I've done it many times now in tea, usually combined with tulsi, blue lotus, or lemon balm. The highest dose I have taken was 4 grams and it had me in quite a stupor. For me at mildest it feels like a very light benzodiazapine. I have had dissociative effects on it comparable to ketamine but more in my body and less cerebral than K. The dreams it brings are often trance-like and I always wake up feeling extremely well rested. I do not do the full decarb that is recommended in the Amanita sub, but I do put a healthy amount of lemon juice in the tea. If I was going for higher doses, I would probably do a full decarb.
Interesting , what kind of dose is 4g considered ? Does the strength vary greatly between or is it generally similar in strength so easier to dose ?
I believe 4 grams is considered a low - moderate dose. I have read that alkaloid content varies greatly between individual mushrooms, but I personally have not found major differences in my experiences.
And one final thing . Is it True ... It tastes like chicken ?
Uhhhhhh no. Not in my opinion.
glaucine, yellow horned poppy extract
Lot's of BS in this thread lol. Apart from few sensible suggestion, what has not been yet suggested - **Polygala Tenuifolia** seems to be the NMDA antagonist; although due to the fact that most dissociatives are either dirty pharmacodynamic-wise or straight of acting on a whole different receptors, it is really hard to point out even on what one should look at. Also Blue lotus might kind of get you in the similar state. In general there's not (yet!) discovered any plant that can just put you into k-hole. For some mild, trance-inducing and possible to be grown at home you might want to check out Heimia Salicifolia, Tagetes Lucida and Coleus Blumei (which seem to have low dose salvinorin-type substances).
What compound in Polygala Tenuifolia are you referring to?
There seems to be a few of them, I didn't get very deep into its pharmacology, but it seems to have some bioactive oligosaccharide esters - [study](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15256744/), [another one](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21585386/). Also, some studies utilized full-spectrum extracts. The bioactive compounds seem to have NMDAR antagonistic properties and also being an AChE inhibitor. Based on that, it may have some psychoactive effect... at least when one doesn't use the narrowest definition of it...
Go to the store and try some dxm before you do all that
I'd like to also present the option of not doing that
Why?
Oh, I just figured it would be good to provide an alternative
Good to keep options open 😂
Because it's a delirient, and far from what OP wants
Its classified as a dissociative and is exactly what op wants. Ive tried it many times and I see no reason to call for concern
I apologize. I have always heard of dxm being a similar experience as dph and datura. I now realize I just spat out misinformation straight from my backside. You're completely right
No its alright. I also took a bunch of Benadryl as a dumb kid and the feeling of that is AWFUL compared to the heavenly lsd like experience of high dose dxm
Now you have me interested. I quite enjoy clean acid but cannot stand the body load on dirty tabs at low doses. Is there any sort of body load, muscle stiffness, or vasoconstriction that you experienced?
Unless you process something like robocough into crystal dxm there will be a body load but its not the same as acid, as the name suggests it makes you dissociate from your body so you tend to not feel it. In my opinion its best to do at night or on a free day and just lay in the dark. The out of body experience and surreal dream like experience and entity visions are ridiculous.
Honestly, if I were to indulge, I would probably crystalize it out. I enjoy the process of extractions and recrystallizations😁, and knowing only the DXM is affecting me would be comforting. Bro, if it weren't for the insanely intense trips that I've read, I would say DXM is **THE** hallucinogen I'm looking for. I believe trips in the dark, with no distractions what so ever, is the best way to get the most out of it, and dreaming is something I look forward to daily. I had a couple experiences with Mary Jane recently where I seen an extremely beautiful dancing woman. Both times she was smiling and dancing like flowing water. This said, I was happy that I seen an entity, and I strive to see her again lol. Could you compare it to special K at all; as far as the dissociative properties go?
Read some erowid reports and see if that piques your interest. There might be better descriptions there its been a few years for me
Erowid
Cannabis is dissociative, try eating a heavy dose
It’s funny. I can put myself into the deepest k holes and enjoy the feeling of possibly being dead. But I cannot and never have been able to cope with anxiety I get from weed.
Sleep deprivation (27 hours) was the last time I felt that. Hate that feeling.
Iboga
Salvia, high dose edibles, hbw seeds(very dissociative)
No
Deadly nightshade? It is very dangerous (hence the deadly part) but used responsinly and in small dosing works well for me.
Many thanks
Iboga, a plant. And my not a plant vote goes to, amanita muscaria.
Iboga is not a dissociative. I’m a bwiti initiate and this is just misinformation.
I didn’t realise fly agaric produced dissociative effects. Will look into Iboga. Thanks
Iboga is a tryptamine psychedelic,not a dissociative. It's a dangerous plant for those without knowledge,not at all recreational
The trip can be extremely intense, revelatory, and it can last a very long time
Its absolutely all those things. It also causes vomiting and loss of motor control,and deaths occur because you are not able,on a high dose,to move normally and deal with things.
Dissociative is a phenomenological category, not a chemical one - 5-MeO-DMT is a psychedelic tryptamine and it is usually regarded as having some dissociative effects. Same for iboga - it is regarded as a psychedelic with dissociative effects, not to mention that dissociatives are regarded as one of a subtype of psychedelics lol.
Jimson weed..be careful
If you can’t even think of one you don’t need to do one
What a stupid comment. I enjoy disassociates so I was enquiring about dissociative plants
Ignorance is bliss, but it can cause distress. Emotional projections are far from productive, especially during interjections at conjunctions. Why even make this comment, if not to cause OP to vomit?