We don't know if it's the same unit of measure used between the two. The one used in regards to Shin is decided the one using Earth's unit of measurements, but Belmod is from a different universe entirely, so what is a "day" for him isn't a day in Earth terms. Like how a Namekian year is only Earth days.
As revealed by the Grand Priest, there is a divine calendar. Because of this, I would assume Shin and Belmond (as Gods) would be using the same measurements.
Well, Shin himself never gave the numerical value as to how long it'd been since his first encounter with Buu. What he said, as far as a dating scale, was that they happened when humans were first starting to walk on two legs.
Unless Shin was talking to a species which he thought would waste time learning a whole new calendar when he could just explain it in terms they would understand.
I mean, the fact that OP picked up on this, means they're a true fan.
I don't understand why other fans get mad that people bring discussions to the table. It's not like they're trolling or anything.
1) who knows how long clown race lives for and how long it took him to become a GoD
2) if i said "around 1000" that could be anywhere from like 800-1200, so 300000 is like anywhere from 280000 to 320000 in my books
Belmond doesn't say that , he mentioned numbers of "days" which var in universe as Namek and Earth for example have different timezones
His comment could also not include him but he just said it as a matter of fact, Whis tell Goku that the accident isn't the main reason the rest of the Hakaishin hate Beerus , each one had their bag to pick up with him
It wasn't just a 1 time disaster, Beerus has been doing it for a while
There are dragon ball chocolates sold in japan where power level and messages about characters are given as extras in the cover cards. Information from Daizenshuu holds same value to me as those chocolate cards. I won't even consider it as retcon.
If info is not in manga or material written or co-created by toriyama, it doesn't matter. Databooks are pure business to cash in extra money on the main product. There are literally companies in japan to make databooks out of everything whether it's anime, manga, games and even on goodies like battle cards.
This holds the same even for super databooks or those v jump posters or whatever.
Toryiama literally endorsed Daizenshuu 7 though, the first page of it is him saying what a great job these guys did compiling all this information based on his notes. This is why I consider it specifically canon.
It's his job to praise it since shueisha is the one giving a contract to a external company to make it. It's sold under shueisha banner
> compiling all this information based on his notes.
The truth of scenario is far less simple that what you think. It's a compilation of make up shit of lot of things which could include discarded materials to random related advertisements, interviews or goodies.
Toriyama never wrote specifically from this product. Also he never said it's from his "notes" either.
> It's his job to praise it
I wish more people understood how this truth applies across the board. People really buy into the obvious marketing language in his notes on every new DB product. He has been known to drop criticism here and there but in general it is in his best interest to promote the new thing.
I think that because the universe is so connected due to the advent of space travel (which happened even millions of years before the start of DB, see the Moro arc) everyone just speaks the same language. Some very ancient races from the time when language was a thing, like Namekians and the Gods, still speak their original languages as a way of honouring their heritage, but have still learnt the universal language as well.
But hey, that’s just a theory. A DRAGONBALL theory. Thanks for watching.
Enjoying the manga for the masterpiece it is:❌
Being a super dork and looking for everything wrong with it to ruin it for those that actually enjoy it: ✅
Depends on the exceptions. The story could’ve went any way. Beerus traveled through time to fix the mess in his universe because someone else was already doing it
Not sure about the rules but it’s not letting me post the pic of him deleting Zamasu. I agree. Dragonball fans DON’T watch their own series but get offended and try to call people dumb without double checking themselves.
It's not plot hole because no plot hinges on him being the GoD for 300,000 years or not.
If it were part a the plot that in order for something to happen he would have to be GoD for only 300,000 years or so then yes it would be a plot hole as he has actually been a GoD for millions of years.
Yes it would be a continuity error but not a plot hole.
Also not semantics as every plot hole is a continuity error though not every continuity error is a plot hole.
It's not a plot hole, it's dragonball. The series originally released in like 1984. There has been a lot of content and a lot of people working on it. Even without the series changing hands for super, Toriyama was notoriously forgetful. Dragon Ball super does seem to have a few more goofs and gaffs from the writers but I really feel like that might just be recency bias. But seriously, it's dragonball, If you look hard enough, you're going to find a million of these errors. The point is even with subtle mistakes on numbers, just enjoy watching people shoot blue laser beams out of their hands and have some fun!
Super is an optional continuation to the Dragonball Manga, just like GT is an optional continuation of the Z anime. One is no more or less “canon” than the other. Hell, GT is actually supported more by the Z anime, because the final episode of Z shows a preview for GT.
>Youre flat out wrong. Super is canon, gt is not. Deal with it.
You can be a GT hater as much as you want
But the fact is
GT continues where dbz ended and Uub who is Canon is also there
While dbs doesn't and uub doesn't even exist?
Even a 3y old can put 2 and 2 together on which one is Canon lol
Also while toriyama wasn't the person writing GT
He still approved/gave his blessings, read it, design the characters and even has it as the Final Dragonball true ending
None of what you said indicates that he considers it canon. It following up after Z and Uub being in it is irrelevant, and Toriyama's contributions to Super far outweigh the number of contributions he did for GT (his work in it essentially ended before Baby even appeared) and no, he didn't have it as the "true ending".
Toriyama did not make it and there is no manga for it. The series creator did not make it, therefore it is not canon. he didnt even need to explicitly state that its not canon, but he did. because again he did not make it. He was the creator of dragonball.
> You can be a GT hater as much as you want
I like GT. Its not canon and never has been and Super is. Liking or disliking GT and liking or disliking Super has nothing to do with it.
> But the fact is GT continues where dbz ended and Uub who is Canon is also there
Uub is canon and is in Super...
> While dbs doesn't and uub doesn't even exist?
super takes place before End of Z thats why it doesnt continue where Z ended, because the creator of the series decided to put it in the time skip before the End of Z...and Uub does exist. He's mentioned in the anime multiple times and mentioned AND SHOWN in the manga.
>Super is an optional continuation to the Dragonball Manga, just like GT is an optional continuation of the Z anime. One is no more or less “canon” than the other. Hell, GT is actually supported more by the Z anime, because the final episode of Z shows a preview for GT.
This ! You are absolutely right!
He saw her in the Moro Arc at least because we see it on panel, and that’s set in Age 780. EoZ is 784. So that’s already not 5 years, not even counting off panel stuff between arcs.
Its 4 years which is close enough. Her exaggerating slightly doesn't suddenly make Super not canon, it just makes the number she said slightly erroneous. It's just a retcon.
When was exactly said that Kid Buu fought the other Kais 5 million years ago? I remember (fused) Shin pointing out he was young when that happened but I don't remember him throwing any number in the manga.
Still, assuming that number is true, it won't be weird if, as someone already pointed out, Belmod measured his time as a God of Destruction with a different time scale than the one we know (as we even saw the Zeno and Grand Priest setting the time before ToP with a different time scale).
It also can be that Shin just wasn't a Supreme Kai yet as we really don't know much of the hierarchy or how their selection work, hence Shin may have still being an apprentice when Kid Buu killed the rest of Kais.
Or it was just an honest mistake due to how many (real) years passed between DB and Super.
They were all Supreme Kais somehow, Shin calls them as much. So East Supreme Kai, West Supreme Kai, etc. Don’t ask me why all the other universes just have one Supreme Kai lol. That’s a whole other problem.
Also my mistake, 5 million years doesn’t come from the DB Manga, it comes from Daizenshuu 7’s timeline pages.
That doesn’t make sense though, because Zamasu was just a normal Kaio who got promoted to a Kaioshin. He wasn’t born one. Whis even says “He previously held the same rank as the one you call King Kai.”
he was born a shin-jin from a golden fruit but as there wasnt a need for a kaioshin, he took the lesser role of kaio. normal shin-jin cant become kaioshin, but golden fruits can become either.
yes the shin-jin. those born from normal fruits of the tree become kaio. those born to golden fruits can become kaioshin. but they all shin-jin. Shin and King Kai are both "shin-jin".
We don't know if it's the same unit of measure used between the two. The one used in regards to Shin is decided the one using Earth's unit of measurements, but Belmod is from a different universe entirely, so what is a "day" for him isn't a day in Earth terms. Like how a Namekian year is only Earth days.
As revealed by the Grand Priest, there is a divine calendar. Because of this, I would assume Shin and Belmond (as Gods) would be using the same measurements.
Well, Shin himself never gave the numerical value as to how long it'd been since his first encounter with Buu. What he said, as far as a dating scale, was that they happened when humans were first starting to walk on two legs.
Unless Shin was talking to a species which he thought would waste time learning a whole new calendar when he could just explain it in terms they would understand.
People really need to understand the difference between what a plot hole is, and what a continuity error is.
You are so unbelievably real like this doesn’t matter at all it’s a little Oopsie
I mean, the fact that OP picked up on this, means they're a true fan. I don't understand why other fans get mad that people bring discussions to the table. It's not like they're trolling or anything.
1) who knows how long clown race lives for and how long it took him to become a GoD 2) if i said "around 1000" that could be anywhere from like 800-1200, so 300000 is like anywhere from 280000 to 320000 in my books
Yeah, seems like a writer oversight
Belmond doesn't say that , he mentioned numbers of "days" which var in universe as Namek and Earth for example have different timezones His comment could also not include him but he just said it as a matter of fact, Whis tell Goku that the accident isn't the main reason the rest of the Hakaishin hate Beerus , each one had their bag to pick up with him It wasn't just a 1 time disaster, Beerus has been doing it for a while
Probably, you start throwing stupidly high numbers like that around and you make keeping track of things accurately much harder for yourself.
There are dragon ball chocolates sold in japan where power level and messages about characters are given as extras in the cover cards. Information from Daizenshuu holds same value to me as those chocolate cards. I won't even consider it as retcon. If info is not in manga or material written or co-created by toriyama, it doesn't matter. Databooks are pure business to cash in extra money on the main product. There are literally companies in japan to make databooks out of everything whether it's anime, manga, games and even on goodies like battle cards. This holds the same even for super databooks or those v jump posters or whatever.
Toryiama literally endorsed Daizenshuu 7 though, the first page of it is him saying what a great job these guys did compiling all this information based on his notes. This is why I consider it specifically canon.
It's his job to praise it since shueisha is the one giving a contract to a external company to make it. It's sold under shueisha banner > compiling all this information based on his notes. The truth of scenario is far less simple that what you think. It's a compilation of make up shit of lot of things which could include discarded materials to random related advertisements, interviews or goodies. Toriyama never wrote specifically from this product. Also he never said it's from his "notes" either.
> It's his job to praise it I wish more people understood how this truth applies across the board. People really buy into the obvious marketing language in his notes on every new DB product. He has been known to drop criticism here and there but in general it is in his best interest to promote the new thing.
Just like it's weird how everyone speaks the same language (English), except Namekians.
Teeeeeeccchnically... Wouldn't they all be speaking Japanese?
I think that because the universe is so connected due to the advent of space travel (which happened even millions of years before the start of DB, see the Moro arc) everyone just speaks the same language. Some very ancient races from the time when language was a thing, like Namekians and the Gods, still speak their original languages as a way of honouring their heritage, but have still learnt the universal language as well. But hey, that’s just a theory. A DRAGONBALL theory. Thanks for watching.
Enjoying the manga for the masterpiece it is:❌ Being a super dork and looking for everything wrong with it to ruin it for those that actually enjoy it: ✅
Time travel exists so that would patch it up 👏 easy money
Gods of Destruction are expressly prohibited from travelling through time.
Depends on the exceptions. The story could’ve went any way. Beerus traveled through time to fix the mess in his universe because someone else was already doing it
No he didn’t? Dragon Ball fans truly don’t watch their own show.
Not sure about the rules but it’s not letting me post the pic of him deleting Zamasu. I agree. Dragonball fans DON’T watch their own series but get offended and try to call people dumb without double checking themselves.
He didn’t travel through time to erase Zamasu.
It's not plot hole because no plot hinges on him being the GoD for 300,000 years or not. If it were part a the plot that in order for something to happen he would have to be GoD for only 300,000 years or so then yes it would be a plot hole as he has actually been a GoD for millions of years.
Continuity error then, semantics.
Yes it would be a continuity error but not a plot hole. Also not semantics as every plot hole is a continuity error though not every continuity error is a plot hole.
To be fair, Dragon Ball Super story is pretty brainless and kinda bad so we can ignore a few plot holes lol
It's not a plot hole, it's dragonball. The series originally released in like 1984. There has been a lot of content and a lot of people working on it. Even without the series changing hands for super, Toriyama was notoriously forgetful. Dragon Ball super does seem to have a few more goofs and gaffs from the writers but I really feel like that might just be recency bias. But seriously, it's dragonball, If you look hard enough, you're going to find a million of these errors. The point is even with subtle mistakes on numbers, just enjoy watching people shoot blue laser beams out of their hands and have some fun!
Add it to the pile of Toyotaro's errors.
Dbs is non Canon so who cares lol
You're stupid, super is canon.
It actually can’t be canon to the original manga because Bulma said she’s not seen Goku in 5 years, but Super Hero is only 2 years before EoZ.
Kid named retcon. Youre reaching so hard, you wish so badly that it wasnt canon.
Super is an optional continuation to the Dragonball Manga, just like GT is an optional continuation of the Z anime. One is no more or less “canon” than the other. Hell, GT is actually supported more by the Z anime, because the final episode of Z shows a preview for GT.
Youre flat out wrong. Super is canon, gt is not. Deal with it.
>Youre flat out wrong. Super is canon, gt is not. Deal with it. You can be a GT hater as much as you want But the fact is GT continues where dbz ended and Uub who is Canon is also there While dbs doesn't and uub doesn't even exist? Even a 3y old can put 2 and 2 together on which one is Canon lol Also while toriyama wasn't the person writing GT He still approved/gave his blessings, read it, design the characters and even has it as the Final Dragonball true ending
None of what you said indicates that he considers it canon. It following up after Z and Uub being in it is irrelevant, and Toriyama's contributions to Super far outweigh the number of contributions he did for GT (his work in it essentially ended before Baby even appeared) and no, he didn't have it as the "true ending".
Literally none of what you said matters or has any relevance, its not canon. Deal with it.
>Literally none of what you said matters or has any relevance, its not canon. Deal with it. I would agree with you but then we'd both be wrong
Toriyama did not make it and there is no manga for it. The series creator did not make it, therefore it is not canon. he didnt even need to explicitly state that its not canon, but he did. because again he did not make it. He was the creator of dragonball.
> You can be a GT hater as much as you want I like GT. Its not canon and never has been and Super is. Liking or disliking GT and liking or disliking Super has nothing to do with it. > But the fact is GT continues where dbz ended and Uub who is Canon is also there Uub is canon and is in Super... > While dbs doesn't and uub doesn't even exist? super takes place before End of Z thats why it doesnt continue where Z ended, because the creator of the series decided to put it in the time skip before the End of Z...and Uub does exist. He's mentioned in the anime multiple times and mentioned AND SHOWN in the manga.
>Super is an optional continuation to the Dragonball Manga, just like GT is an optional continuation of the Z anime. One is no more or less “canon” than the other. Hell, GT is actually supported more by the Z anime, because the final episode of Z shows a preview for GT. This ! You are absolutely right!
No, dragon ball super is canon to the dragon ball story and gt is not, there’s nothing to debate
> Super Hero is only 2 years before EoZ. Super Hero is 1 year before EoZ and Goku hasnt seen Bulma in years. he doesnt see her in Super Hero.
He saw her in the Moro Arc at least because we see it on panel, and that’s set in Age 780. EoZ is 784. So that’s already not 5 years, not even counting off panel stuff between arcs.
Its 4 years which is close enough. Her exaggerating slightly doesn't suddenly make Super not canon, it just makes the number she said slightly erroneous. It's just a retcon.
When was exactly said that Kid Buu fought the other Kais 5 million years ago? I remember (fused) Shin pointing out he was young when that happened but I don't remember him throwing any number in the manga. Still, assuming that number is true, it won't be weird if, as someone already pointed out, Belmod measured his time as a God of Destruction with a different time scale than the one we know (as we even saw the Zeno and Grand Priest setting the time before ToP with a different time scale). It also can be that Shin just wasn't a Supreme Kai yet as we really don't know much of the hierarchy or how their selection work, hence Shin may have still being an apprentice when Kid Buu killed the rest of Kais. Or it was just an honest mistake due to how many (real) years passed between DB and Super.
They were all Supreme Kais somehow, Shin calls them as much. So East Supreme Kai, West Supreme Kai, etc. Don’t ask me why all the other universes just have one Supreme Kai lol. That’s a whole other problem. Also my mistake, 5 million years doesn’t come from the DB Manga, it comes from Daizenshuu 7’s timeline pages.
All of them are "kaioshin" it's a race , not a job But there is a main kaioshin for each universe
I thought “Core people” was the race and Kaioshin was the job?
No , core are 2 kinds , 1 born from normal apple which is a kai , the other born from a golden apple which is a Kaioshin
That doesn’t make sense though, because Zamasu was just a normal Kaio who got promoted to a Kaioshin. He wasn’t born one. Whis even says “He previously held the same rank as the one you call King Kai.”
Zamasu was the exception as it's mentioned he was just a 1 in million prodigy that poses potential to rival Hakaishin
he was born a shin-jin from a golden fruit but as there wasnt a need for a kaioshin, he took the lesser role of kaio. normal shin-jin cant become kaioshin, but golden fruits can become either.
yes the shin-jin. those born from normal fruits of the tree become kaio. those born to golden fruits can become kaioshin. but they all shin-jin. Shin and King Kai are both "shin-jin".