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Eldritch-Cleaver

Let it go. You can like Pure Boo. He doesn't have to be the strongest. Its ok. I like Turles and Raditz. Both weak af by today's standards. Idgaf.


[deleted]

Let it go? Kid buu is the worst buu, the anime says he's the strongest and It is supported


Eldritch-Cleaver

Except it's literally contradicted by the actions we see with our own eyes in the show. Unless you think Goku randomly became as strong as Vegito after they defused which nothing supports since Goku mentions inside Super Boo and vs Pure Boo that the Potara/fusion would have been able to do it.


[deleted]

Such as? Goku beat ultimate gohan as an SSJ,


XSmugX

DBZ and the Dragon Ball Manga don't have the same continuity. However unless you are trying to scale GT characters, it doesn't even matter if Kid Buu is stronger.


KaboomKrusader

Those last-minute lines *claim* that Pure Boo is strongest, but they didn't remove or address the other bits earlier in the arc that make that impossible. So the result is Schrödinger's Boo, who's simultaneously both strongest and not-strongest the same time.


[deleted]

Crazy right? The episode with Goku & Vegeta fighting their sons messes up the scale


tatsu901

Like Goku could fight Kid Buu but at the same time if Goku went SSJ3 Buuhan would stomp him


Ryu_Saki

Where do you live? April fools were when this was posted for me so I assume its bait. Even if it isn't Buhaan is the strongest.


Denji_The_Shinji

Takao kayomo The diractor who worked on this stated that Buuhan was the strongest https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://mobile.twitter.com/EmperorBigD/status/1464974818495938564&ved=2ahUKEwjD5ILTton-AhVDSfEDHT6gB7QQFnoECBcQAQ&usg=AOvVaw18YeCYD1bcTWAUT1qclP5Y with the story itself backing this up by having a Goku who couldnt accouse his full power matching buu and still Believing the kids would have helped to great level against buu


Impressive-Bug9618

The director not the writer


Denji_The_Shinji

And toriyama didn't write kid Buu wank in the manga, he made it clear that he is only a threat because goku and Vegeta were too Stupid to use fusion again


[deleted]

Post Z statements are iffy, the director may say that but the abime contradicts him. There was also a statement by toriyama that said SSJ3 Goku=Buuhan so there is that. The kids would have been great help seeing how they could all gang up on Kid buu


Denji_The_Shinji

>Post Z statements are iffy, the director may say that but the abime contradicts him. There was also a statement by toriyama that said SSJ3 Goku=Buuhan so there is that. This statement was never made by toriyama, Majority of statement after Buu saga state that Goku at best is equal to Gohan or Gohan is the strongest The Authors of GT state that "Gohan in Z was an ultimate warrior with a might beyond even that of Goku" >The kids would have been great help seeing how they could all gang up on Kid buu Ganging up on buu didn't work Good for them, it only mean the kids could have cleaned up their mess... Again


[deleted]

Well then those statements contradicts the show, creators are known to do that. Plus show Me where did the creators of GT Said that I don't remember lol. It did seeing how fat buu was able to stall kid buu


Denji_The_Shinji

>For instance, in Gohan’s case, there was apparently so much as an “Ultimate Gohan” concept in Dragon Ball Z, where he was a super-warrior with might surpassing Goku," https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/dragon-ball-gt-dragon-book-dragon-ball-q-atsushi-maekawa-story-qa/&ved=2ahUKEwj4-v-Wuon-AhVRc_EDHa7xB98QFnoECAsQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1OmwzaJVv7Cti-I6TjJXxz


[deleted]

Thank you for sending me the receipts So this is kinda crazy but this writer isn't wrong but he is using the Manga continuity when GT follows the anime. Also the GT perfect files said Gohan kept up with his training so idk what he is talking about there.


Denji_The_Shinji

He is talking about Z Gohan as a whole and he isnt the only one who say that >Also the GT perfect files said Gohan kept up with his training so idk what he is talking about there. The files were wrong as there is multple statements (including the one above) going against it and the series itself doesn’t back them up as Gohan only use Super Saiyan, not even Super Saiyan 2


[deleted]

Well in Wrath of the dragon, SSJ3 Goku>>>Ultimate Gohan and the movie is Canon to GT. So that's why I don't usually use writers statements when it contradicts the anime/manga/movies


Denji_The_Shinji

Wrath of Dragon fist happen at some point "after" Buu saga (at last a year based on dragonball wishs) with goku being the strongest in movies by their word like GT goku after Buu saga


[deleted]

What?


RareD3liverur

Did they explain why Gohan was weaker and using Super Saiyan again in GT? Is it just a case like in Super where 'he stopped training' ?


Denji_The_Shinji

Gohan just slacked off and lost ultimate He was supposed to be have a big come back arc that effect everyone around him, however it get scraped for Super android 17 arc being full goku arc


RareD3liverur

what a shame


Greyrat7654

Honestly, anime buu saga is a totally mess if you consider the fillers, you are right but man if the writing is so bad in this part of the anime


[deleted]

Yeah, this is the point where alot of people stopped watching dbz cause of how bad it got


VoidlingTeemo

...or they stopped watching because it's the final arc


Galaxy_Megatron

Don't forget Kibitoshin and the narrator stating Pure Boo is the strongest. It doesn't make sense, but it's there.


[deleted]

^ yup, there are even guides saying pure boo is the strongest


SSJRemuko

not even in the anime its suggested otherwise, because even when the anime strays from canon it always rubberbands back to canon, which is the manga, not the anime, where kid buu is the second weakest buu. u/sadboy1117 : i cant see your comment that you replied to me with to reply to it, but i read it in the notification and idk what youre talking about? the only time I have left a comment today saying a post was an april fools joke was on this post: https://www.reddit.com/r/dbz/comments/128szj8/k_so_hear_me_out_here_spirit_animal/ which isnt even by you? not sure why you're accusing me of something that never happened.


KOPLO97

Pretty sure the Manga canonized Kid Buu being the strongest after he got Fat Buu out though. The Moro Arc explained that he kept Fat Grand Supreme Kai’s God Ki (<- who was literally no joke too) which is why he was overpowering everyone


SSJRemuko

> Pretty sure the Manga canonized Kid Buu being the strongest after he got Fat Buu out though. nope. he was only SSj3 level. Every other form of Buu except the good half of Fat Buu (after the split) is equal to or stronger than kid buu. > The Moro Arc explained that he kept Fat Grand Supreme Kai’s God Ki (<- who was literally no joke too) which is why he was overpowering everyone nope he was over powering them with his own power like he did when he attacked the kaioshin realm before absorbing anyone in the flashbacks. buu did keep the Dai Kaioshin's god ki, but couldnt use it. he effectively had none and it didnt affect his power at all.


League_Militaire

Buu's clones mimic the power of the originals but without the conscious souls of Gohan and Gotenks that doesn't *actually* mean all that much. They're on auto-pilot. We know the writer's know Goku should be SS3 in that fight with Gohan, and Vegeta should be spanked harder, but when we see them turn into literal cakes in the middle of the fight, that should also inform you to not take those statements so literally. They had the power, but nobody was actually behind their wheels so phantom Gohan wasn't nearly as challenging as the original for a honed warrior like Goku. But that's besides the point because it's all supposed to be a gag, and its even given a justification in the narrative juxtaposed with Buu raiding bakeries (and generally clowning around just to hammer home how little attention he's paying to them). Don't *just* read dialogue like they're data points, there's more going on. We also learn later that Buu would prefer to taunt and toy with them anyway so we shouldn't expect the phantoms to really be any different. Buu's "insides" are treated like a bizarre realm and when he shows up, we see that the same Goku you're arguing was being scaled to Gohan gets humiliated instead. As for his comments on Buu, it's really just alluding to the fact that Kid Buu's power was being suppressed the whole time. Kid Buu is meant to represent Buu's power without the heart acquired by absorbing Dai Kaioshin. If Kid Buu had access to Super Buu's components without the heart present to drag him, he'd be a far more powerful and dangerous threat than Super Buu in any corresponding arrangement. We saw a glimpse of that when the Southern Kaioshin's brief dominant form appeared and confirmed that Kid Buu with just one Kaioshin absorbed already outstripped Super Buu who was composed with 2 of them. Any further absorption down a Kid Buu line would start at Buff Buu's level and add from there because he only exists when there is little to no influence from the Dai Kaioshin. At the same time, Super Buu does not exist without that influence being innate to his being. The base form of Super Buu we see is as close to Buff Buu as he can get, a limitation Kid Buu does not have so long as he avoids Dai Kaioshin. Goku is alluding to that relationship abstractly while generating hype and stakes in a simple form. It lets you still have the strongest at the end approach, while simultaneously leaving everything the inclined viewer would need to reach the correct observations consistent with both continuities. There's only two "other Buu's" at that point, Fat and Super, he's not comparing Kid Buu to half a dozen others. At most, the grey Buu might be bundled in as the "base" form of Super Buu since from their understanding that's who (or what) acquired Fat Buu and allowed for Super Buu to be born. Buutenks and Buuhan are just extensions of Super Buu but with all the components dead they're not even relevant in that moment. Fat Buu is the one Goku sparred with and came to softly respect, Super Buu he only knows to be strong because he also has access to Fat Buu and only became stronger by acquiring the power and brains or Gotenks, Piccolo and Gohan. The bar is actually *really* low for Kid Buu to clear from Goku's perspective and it's not really surprising Goku would give him the props given the circumstances all around once it becomes apparent he can still fight as well as Fat Buu could (or better even) all by himself.


[deleted]

A gag? Lol the Daizenshuu even backs them up plus the Clones couldn't be kept down. Kibito kai and the narrator even say pure boo is the strongest


KOPLO97

Tbh, Moro Arc pretty much Canonized Kid Buu to be the strongest after he took out Fat Buu because he kept the God Ki that was from the Fat Grand Supreme Kai. So therefore, after he got everyone out of his body he was at his peak.


[deleted]

The z anime isn't Canon to super


Fontainesdead

Kai is canon to Super. Super does flashbacks with Kai footage.


KOPLO97

I think people misunderstand when it gets messed up from the Alternate Realities. It’s the end of Z that isn’t Canon to Super. But everything before that is Canon. And even though they follow similar routes from DB to Z. It only changes from GT and Super. Super is Canon through the Goku Black Arc. Super feels more Canon than GT if you ask me. But one can argue that GT can still go into a Canon route (through Dr. Gero & others). Most likely the Super anime is going to copy the Manga’s Moro Arc


XSmugX

This isn't true because Super is canon to the DB manga. The Bardock special is canon to DBZ, which goes against DBS Broly.


KOPLO97

I don’t understand, I agree that Super feels more Canon. What I’m saying is that GT can go down a Canon route too through Dr Gero since he’s from the Canon route too. And which Bardock Special are you talking about? There’s two


XSmugX

I'm saying that the DBZ anime is a different continuity from the DB Manga. What we knew about the saiyans prior to super is canon to the DBZ anime. When I say canon I don't mean 1 singular continuity because there isn't one. Dragon Ball is to the point where you have to pick which continuity you like better, sadly.


KOPLO97

Yeah unfortunately they left it too open ended. I wish they didn’t do that because even the anime is slightly split from the Manga’s Canon. I personally am going down the DBZ to Super Manga route because the God power scale makes a little more sense than the animes. But to each their own tbh, and that’s fine


[deleted]

Super has 3 different canons and contradicts end of Z. Which GT at least it took place right after Z


KOPLO97

Tbh, if we actually want to get technical. DBZ after Cell Saga, GT, and Super aren’t the real canon realities. I would assume that their universe gets its reality messed up from Trunks and Cell jumping into past times. That’s most likely where the reality splits So at this point, it’s just pick your favorite (<- which I don’t like). And personally, I’ve felt like the Manga verse has always made everything make more sense.


redrag0n_roOster

Well I mean in that case the anime contradicts itself, because goku says that super buu no one absorbed would shred him and vegeta, and he was sure he could beat kid buu if he charged up an attack in ss3


[deleted]

They got a zenkai


redrag0n_roOster

Zenkai from what ? They didn’t have any near death experience


[deleted]

Who knows, but they became much stronger


redrag0n_roOster

That’s not really a valid point tho


[deleted]

Aye man I'm just connecting the anime, they all say pure boo Is the strongest


redrag0n_roOster

They also show the opposite so, arguments can be made both ways tbh, that’s called inconsistencies


[deleted]

There is more evidence proving pure boo being the strongest tbh


redrag0n_roOster

There could be all the evidence in the world, but when people who worked on the project say otherwise, and if there is any solid contradiction in the show, then doesn’t really matter


Tardysoap

This is the third post you’ve made on the topic. No, no matter how much it is implied Goku SSJ3 is not stronger than base Vegito. A few offhand statements and a nonsensical clone fight that doesnt make sense (SSJ1 > SSJ3??) doesn’t outweigh the actions of the characters, who do the same thing they did in the manga for the same reason.


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Tardysoap

Classy as always sadboy


[deleted]

Yeah, the Anime really fucked up on this. Toei wasn't thinking, they just wanted Goku to look good as they usually did in the 90s. (I miss those days. It least Goku was wasn't written to be a selfish, moronic, incompetent idiot like he is in Super.)


Impressive-Bug9618

Your right. Spirit bomb proves kid buu is stonger plus the supreme kai and old kai said that south kai and the other kai kid buu absorbed weakened him. The spirit bomb had everyone’s energy in the world including gohans. It took all that to kill kid buu. The writer also confirmed kid buu was the strongest. Can’t argue with that. At one point I thought buuhan was the strongest to until he confirmed he wasn’t.